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"SNK Stuff Thread 24- Summer 2020 Edition" , posted Sat 16 May 01:34post reply

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Art stuff :

Senri Kita Blog / Hiroaki Blog
Nona Twitter / Nona Yfrog / Nona Blog
Other Artist Info / Other Artist Info 2


Hidden stuff in old games:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16260198 - Nico
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12375295 - Nico
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12949449 - Nico
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11733011 - Nico
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12290526 - Nico

https://tcrf.net/Art_of_Fighting_%28Neo_Geo%29 AOF1 Stuff
https://tcrf.net/Art_of_Fighting_2_%28Arcade%29#Unused_Title_Text AOF2 stuff






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"Re(1):SNK Stuff Thread 24- Summer 2020 Editio" , posted Sat 16 May 01:39post reply

A fictional story of one bike rider







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"Re(2):SNK Stuff Thread 24- Summer 2020 Editio" , posted Sat 16 May 05:33post reply

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A fictional story of one bike rider


Haha, that was great!
Now I'm hungry...







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"Re(3):SNK Stuff Thread 24- Summer 2020 Editio" , posted Sat 16 May 10:02post reply

Jack is the hero AoF1 we deserve.





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"Re(1):SNK Stuff Thread 24- Summer 2020 Editio" , posted Mon 25 May 04:38post reply

I recently completed Iroha's storyline in SS 2019 and I loved how she played. I am hyped to see who the 4th character for Season 2 will be. I hope there will be a Season 3 and some added stages in the future.







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"Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Wed 27 May 12:59post reply

https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/games/ssngc/

Starts free for a week on Epic Games Store, then comes to Steam, PS4 and Switch afterwards.

Has SS1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Vanilla, 5 Special. And remember that lone loketest with the images of a different version of 5 Special with yellow lifebars? It was actually completed, but was just never released, until now. Introducing SS5 Perfect. It has additional tweaks/fixes and adds a brand new full story mode for the 5 Sp cast.

https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1265472772928462849?s=20
https://twitter.com/ManChest/status/1265478189066776577?s=20

A couple twitter threads regarding some more information about SS5 Perfect.





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"Re(1):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Wed 27 May 13:38post reply

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https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/games/ssngc/

Starts free for a week on Epic Games Store, then comes to Steam, PS4 and Switch afterwards.

Has SS1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Vanilla, 5 Special. And remember that lone loketest with the images of a different version of 5 Special with yellow lifebars? It was actually completed, but was just never released, until now. Introducing SS5 Perfect. It has additional tweaks/fixes and adds a brand new full story mode for the 5 Sp cast.

https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1265472772928462849?s=20
https://twitter.com/ManChest/status/1265478189066776577?s=20

A couple twitter threads regarding some more information about SS5 Perfect.


That's awesome. I like it, Thanks for the threads.

Happy to play an unreleased game. Wish we can get more in the future.





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"Re(1):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Wed 27 May 15:47post reply

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SS5 Perfect


That's the surprise game!

I know that this is the "Neo Geo Collection" and so SS6 being on different hardware would have required dedicated effort to be included here, but I would have liked to play also that.
What is the best version (arcade perfect?) of SS6 out there?







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"Re(2):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Wed 27 May 22:38post reply

Wow, SS 5 Perfect, a game with a history that is weird even by SNK standards! Glad to see that Brandon/exodus is out there doing good work.





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"Re(3):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Wed 27 May 23:35post reply

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Wow, SS 5 Perfect, a game with a history that is weird even by SNK standards! Glad to see that Brandon/exodus is out there doing good work.



Wasn't SS 5 Special supposed to be a dream match game? Is Perfect supposed to introduce it to the canon story or will it still be a dream match, only with dialogues and endings?

In fact, didn't SS 5 vanilla lack a story in some parts of the world? I wonder if this one will be the one with a story or without it.





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"Re(4):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Thu 28 May 03:33post reply

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Wow, SS 5 Perfect, a game with a history that is weird even by SNK standards! Glad to see that Brandon/exodus is out there doing good work.


Wasn't SS 5 Special supposed to be a dream match game? Is Perfect supposed to introduce it to the canon story or will it still be a dream match, only with dialogues and endings?

In fact, didn't SS 5 vanilla lack a story in some parts of the world? I wonder if this one will be the one with a story or without it.



It very specifically is a version not only with story, but it has new story, and that story has been translated by Brandon!







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"Re(5):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Thu 28 May 07:02:post reply

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It very specifically is a version not only with story, but it has new story, and that story has been translated by Brandon!



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"Re(6):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Thu 28 May 11:17post reply

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I know that this is the "Neo Geo Collection" and so SS6 being on different hardware would have required dedicated effort to be included here, but I would have liked to play also that.
What is the best version (arcade perfect?) of SS6 out there?


Probably the Atomiswave dump people did years ago. Otherwise I guess you just have the PS2 or Wii version but I never really cared about comparing the performance of the port with the original arcade version.

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In fact, didn't SS 5 vanilla lack a story in some parts of the world? I wonder if this one will be the one with a story or without it.


Don't remember about ports not coming with story but some characters like Shizumaru don't really make much sense. But considering we're getting arcade ROMs running in their emulator, this probably is the one with story.

I just wonder if we'll have actual lobbies and stuff like training mode.


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It very specifically is a version not only with story, but it has new story, and that story has been translated by Brandon!


It might even the same story but considering it'll be properly translated this time, it'll feel completely new.







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"Re(7):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Thu 28 May 12:24post reply

the story is totally new! never before seen. It was meant to be a bridge (sort of) between V and VI, though there are some dream match elements to both of those games frankly. Anyone who can read japanese, by the way, I recommend you play it in the original language, because having translated this stuff, we only get 16 characters across, in 8 rows, to tell a story. In Japanese you can do a lot with that. In English... you can do like 1/3 of that, especially without breaking words apart.

It was neat to work on, and the fact the game got found at all is a miracle. Hope y'all enjoy!







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"Re(8):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Thu 28 May 13:28post reply

Vanilla Samurai Shodown 5 had a story but was Japanese only in the arcades. Only the domestic console releases (XBox in the US and PS2 in Europe) had an English translated story.







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"Re(9):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Thu 28 May 18:27post reply

I had totally forgotten about that red logo thing!!!
As a self-proclaimed big fan of the game, there is only one honorable way out of this (after buying the game, obviously).

I'm quite fascinated by how SNK does everything in their power to kill their already moribund fan base on PC (at least the one that pays for their games). After releasing KOF14 one year later with barely a netcode, releasing the new SS on Stadia, now it goes to EGS, the platform without a functioning controller interface, and that's full of young players who don't care about fighting games...
I understand they are struggling and in the short term the deal is probably a good thing, but I hope they're not surprised when the game again sells terrible numbers once it actually reaches Steam. I've never seen a company trying so bad to deflate their audience. After the whole pandemic thing forcing tournaments online, if KOF15 still has terrible netcode without crossplay, I... well I won't be surprised actually.







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"Re(8):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Sat 30 May 05:37post reply

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the story is totally new! never before seen. It was meant to be a bridge (sort of) between V and VI, though there are some dream match elements to both of those games frankly. Anyone who can read japanese, by the way, I recommend you play it in the original language, because having translated this stuff, we only get 16 characters across, in 8 rows, to tell a story. In Japanese you can do a lot with that. In English... you can do like 1/3 of that, especially without breaking words apart.

It was neat to work on, and the fact the game got found at all is a miracle. Hope y'all enjoy!



Thank you for your hard work and dedication!! I'm totally picking this up for PS4.





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"Re(10):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collection info" , posted Sat 30 May 16:20post reply

There is also a limited physical edition for PS4 and Switch!
https://www.siliconera.com/samurai-shodown-neogeo-collection-limited-edition-comes-in-a-neogeo-box/

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"Re(2):Re(10):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collectio" , posted Sun 31 May 18:16post reply

Official website

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Players can select between either Japanese or English MVS arcade versions for each title. Additionally, there are features such as scanlines for that retro flair, save functions, and arcade mode can even be set to FREE MODE meaning no more game overs!

*Note, online battle modes are only available for English ver.SAMURAI SHODOWN titles.


The site shows a not-limited version, listed as "Package: Coming this summer" both for PS4/Switch, hoping it's true also for my region...







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"Re(2):Re(10):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collectio" , posted Mon 1 Jun 02:01post reply

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I'm quite fascinated by how SNK does everything in their power to kill their already moribund fan base on PC (at least the one that pays for their games). After releasing KOF14 one year later with barely a netcode, releasing the new SS on Stadia, now it goes to EGS, the platform without a functioning controller interface, and that's full of young players who don't care about fighting games...
I understand they are struggling and in the short term the deal is probably a good thing, but I hope they're not surprised when the game again sells terrible numbers once it actually reaches Steam. I've never seen a company trying so bad to deflate their audience. After the whole pandemic thing forcing tournaments online, if KOF15 still has terrible netcode without crossplay, I... well I won't be surprised actually.

Partnering with EGS is a deal with the devil but does SNK have any better options? When every conversation about this collection has to explain why SS6 is not included it's obvious the thing was never going to be a blockbuster. In this case I guess SNK decided to eat the seeds since they were never going to sprout and hope for better luck next time.

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There is also a limited physical edition for PS4 and Switch!
https://www.siliconera.com/samurai-shodown-neogeo-collection-limited-edition-comes-in-a-neogeo-box/

Hope for a not-limited physical edition?


I sort of want this just for the artbook and the silly Neo Geo box the whole package comes stuffed in.







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"Re(3):Re(10):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collectio" , posted Mon 1 Jun 04:35post reply

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Partnering with EGS is a deal with the devil but does SNK have any better options? When every conversation about this collection has to explain why SS6 is not included it's obvious the thing was never going to be a blockbuster. In this case I guess SNK decided to eat the seeds since they were never going to sprout and hope for better luck next time.

The compilation is a thing, and at least it will release on Steam a while later, but I was talking about the new SS, which after coming out on PC (but only on Stadia) is now going to be released on PC (but on EGS).







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"Re(4):Re(10):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collectio" , posted Mon 1 Jun 22:04post reply

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The compilation is a thing, and at least it will release on Steam a while later, but I was talking about the new SS, which after coming out on PC (but only on Stadia) is now going to be released on PC (but on EGS).


Whoops, my mistake! For a niche game in a niche genre there certainly are a lot of SS games floating around out there right now.







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"Re(5):Re(10):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collectio" , posted Tue 2 Jun 13:58post reply

BTW I'm still waiting for the day when the latest MMCafe news will be posted: https://www.mmcafe.com/news/posts/10287.html

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"Re(6):Re(10):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collectio" , posted Wed 3 Jun 01:26:post reply

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BTW I'm still waiting for the day when the latest MMCafe news will be posted: https://www.mmcafe.com/news/posts/10287.html

Only 24 days to go!!



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"Re(7):Re(10):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Collectio" , posted Wed 3 Jun 06:15post reply

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Holy moles! That's sure of an unexpected glitch, lol. The year must've changed when I refreshed that page, thanks for noticing!



I dunno, I always got a feeling you were kind of a futuristic guy!







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"Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Fri 12 Jun 04:42:post reply

It may be worth reminding that the PC version of the Samurai Shodown Neogeo Collection is currently free to own through the Epic storefront, as long as you claim it before next Thursday.

It is a 10GB install. The Epic store page does confirm that there is crossplay between the Epic and Steam versions. The Steam version doesn't become available until next week.

The PC port of Samurai Shodown 2019 was also released today through the Epic store. The first two season passes are available with 10% discounts until the 26th.

Unfortunately, the lack of PC/console crossplay most likely means SamSho 2019 is dead on arrival. Even if it wasn't an Epic store exclusive, I just don't see there being anywhere near enough of an audience to even begin to support a PC-only online scene. Honestly, I haven't heard great things even about the console side when it comes to online. (Which only makes it more of a shame that one of the things that Epic used to hype the idea of Epic exclusives was that their framework would make it easier for companies to implement console/PC crossplay.)


Link to the Epic store page to claim NeoGeo Collection:
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"Re(1):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Coll. free on Ep" , posted Fri 12 Jun 17:11post reply

SS5 Perfect has mostly a universal storyline added to it. There are individual character endings with new artwork for those that are able to make it through Mizuki. It bridges the gap between 5 Sp and SS6. Zetsumeis are based on the "fixed" version of 5 Sp, so no dismemberment. SS5 Special on here btw is fully uncensored, which makes it interesting that the collection was able to get away with a Teen rating when its stand alone release a couple years ago was rated Mature.







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"Re(2):Samurai Shodown NeoGeo Coll. free on Ep" , posted Sat 13 Jun 01:35post reply

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Zetsumeis are based on the "fixed" version of 5 Sp, so no dismemberment.


I think possibly the most interesting cut (hehehe) and explanation for it had to be the dismemberment: they were removed to free up memory for story!
For me the "fatality" I associate the most with samsho has to be the jet of blood followed by the person collapsing (it wouldn't be until many years later that I learned of the Kurosawa movie that that is almost certainly a reference to), so no dismemberment winds up not being a big deal for me.







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"SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic reminder" , posted Sat 13 Jun 01:58post reply

Even if your computer can't play the game, even if you loathe Epic and its business practices, even if you are happy playing the games with superior fan-made online, I highly recommend that everybody goes and makes an Epic account and adds the game to their inventory (you don't even have to download it!). It costs you nothing, Epic has already paid SNK for this (if not paying them additional money for licenses past some point), and SNK gets to see that people want Samurai Shodown.

In particular, I want more brandon x SNK collaborations!

I'm already getting it just to see the new story content!







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"Re(1):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Sat 13 Jun 02:22post reply

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Even if your computer can't play the game, even if you loathe Epic and its business practices, even if you are happy playing the games with superior fan-made online, I highly recommend that everybody goes and makes an Epic account and adds the game to their inventory (you don't even have to download it!). It costs you nothing, Epic has already paid SNK for this (if not paying them additional money for licenses past some point), and SNK gets to see that people want Samurai Shodown.

In particular, I want more brandon x SNK collaborations!

I'm already getting it just to see the new story content!



Eh.
Say what you want, I'm still waiting next week to get it on Steam.
Giving that specific game for free feels like a hook so specifically designed to suck me into the EGS ecosystem that it becomes almost too suspicious.
Like, say, if Capcom replaced the Nemesis-like enemy chasing you around in the new Resident Evil game with a redesigned Chris Redfield that looks like that dumb himbo you used to date for his insanely good looks for a while but by the time RE6 came out you decided you needed someone who had read at least one book in his entire life so you went your separate ways and you were pretty proud of yourself for having made this grown-up decision but a few years later he suddenly pops up in your timeline looking even hotter than ever and you're like "damn, I made a huge mistake".
That would look crazy suspicious and I would not fall for such an obvious trap.







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"Re(2):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Sat 13 Jun 04:12post reply

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Even if your computer can't play the game, even if you loathe Epic and its business practices, even if you are happy playing the games with superior fan-made online, I highly recommend that everybody goes and makes an Epic account and adds the game to their inventory (you don't even have to download it!). It costs you nothing, Epic has already paid SNK for this (if not paying them additional money for licenses past some point), and SNK gets to see that people want Samurai Shodown.

In particular, I want more brandon x SNK collaborations!

I'm already getting it just to see the new story content!


Eh.
Say what you want, I'm still waiting next week to get it on Steam.
Giving that specific game for free feels like a hook so specifically designed to suck me into the EGS ecosystem that it becomes almost too suspicious.
Like, say, if Capcom replaced the Nemesis-like enemy chasing you around in the new Resident Evil game with a redesigned Chris Redfield that looks like that dumb himbo you used to date for his insanely good looks for a while but by the time RE6 came out you decided you needed someone who had read at least one book in his entire life so you went your separate ways and you were pretty proud of yourself for having made this grown-up decision but a few years later he suddenly pops up in your timeline looking even hotter than ever and you're like "damn, I made a huge mistake".
That would look crazy suspicious and I would not fall for such an obvio

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In my case, I have the Epic store for the sake of Unreal Engine development experiments.

However, you can also choose to get it... .and then not play it on through Epic store at all. Frankly, the user experience of the Epic store is pretty bad! And with everything else they've got shady going on, I'm pretty ok with people not giving any money to Epic! You could basically make an account on their website, get the game, and never install their godforsaken launcher.

Basically I'd like to throw SNK a bone, and this costs me zero dollars to do so.







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"Re(2):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Sat 13 Jun 21:18post reply

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Giving that specific game for free feels like a hook so specifically designed to suck me into the EGS ecosystem that it becomes almost too suspicious.


Giving that particular game away for free was presumably meant to be the hook to get people to buy SamSho 2019 on Epic. Which might have worked slightly better if the ARK giveaway hadn't been delayed to the same week.

But the giveaways really aren't that bad as an attempt to get people to use the Epic store.

The biggest difference between Epic and others is the scale and speed of Epic's efforts. Other storefronts might seek exclusives, but are much more selective. Other storefronts might offer dirt cheap prices or give games away for free, but they generally get the publisher to foot part or even all of the bill in the process. Epic has spread its money far and wide, giving cash to pretty much anyone that will take it.

Valve lured PC gamers to Steam by making it a requirement of Half-Life 2. From there, Valve convinced other publishers to use Steam, first by marketing it as a useful service, but later (once Steam achieved market dominance) with the perception that a Steam release was pretty much "required" for a PC game to be successful. As more publishers began to use Steam, Steam accounts became requirements just to continue to be a PC gamer, even if you never bought a game through Steam. Valve continued to lure customers, and crushed competing storefronts into irrelevance, through aggressive race-to-the-bottom discount practices (which it convinced publishers to effectively pay for).

While GOG's biggest gimmick is the offer of DRM-free versions of games, the store lured customers to the store with the ability to claim for "free" DRM-free versions of select games that the customer owned elsewhere, and has also given away simply for free (no prior ownership required) a number of games over the years. I don't believe I've ever bought a game through GOG, but my GOG account says that I own 155 games.

Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, Activision, and the rest have all used combinations of exclusives and "free" games to both force and lure potential customers to their services.







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"Re(3):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Sun 14 Jun 01:02post reply

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Valve lured PC gamers to Steam by making it a requirement of Half-Life 2. From there, Valve convinced other publishers to use Steam, first by marketing it as a useful service, but later (once Steam achieved market dominance) with the perception that a Steam release was pretty much "required" for a PC game to be successful. As more publishers began to use Steam, Steam accounts became requirements just to continue to be a PC gamer, even if you never bought a game through Steam. Valve continued to lure customers, and crushed competing storefronts into irrelevance, through aggressive race-to-the-bottom discount practices (which it convinced publishers to effectively pay for).

I think that reading was correct 10 years ago, but it really ignores the current situation of the platform. Like, Steam is rarely the cheapest place to buy the games anymore, key resellers are almost always 10 or 20% cheaper, even for preorders.
The real value of Steam in 2020 comes from all the features that are often lacking in other digital stores: easy refunds, gits, centralisation of mods, controller support, reviews, guides, discussions, direct access to the devs for smaller titles, free key generation for publishers, regional pricing (though a few corporations screw that up, for smaller devs it's something that wouldn't be possible to do on their own)... it's much more than just a launcher. And that's not even talking of all the initiatives regarding Linux, Vulkan, VR...
The biggest issue of Steam in 2020 is Valve's libertarian attitude towards society that has allowed alt-right, neo-nazis and general hate speech goons to flourish unchecked on their platform. When even Twitter is doing better than you, you really should start questioning if you're the bad guys.

GOG's main draft, along with being DRM-free, used to be the "abandonware" section where you could get old games that have been delisted everywhere and have them run on modern PCs. The issue they have now is that they have almost listed every important game in that category, and since by default more modern games become more available, the well is running dry.
They also have the other facet of Steam's "almost everything can go on Steam, even shovelware asset flips": their curation process is really not my cup of tea. When they rejected Heaven's Vault, that was a giant red flag for me.

Epic's only draw really are the free games and the short term plan for developers who don't see themselves investing in building a fan base (which makes sense if you need the money now to stay afloat, and not in two years when you're bankrupt). Origin and UPlay not any different from Nintendo's eShop.







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"Re(4):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Thu 18 Jun 04:15post reply

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Just a small note on that last thing - according to friends who have launched free on epic, it actually massively boosts their mailing list signups by like 15k or more... so it does seem to help build the fan base. The quality of the fan you get is debatable, since they're likely to be folks who only want stuff for free, but still, there's a potential strategy there.







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"Re(5):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Thu 18 Jun 07:14post reply

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Just a small note on that last thing - according to friends who have launched free on epic, it actually massively boosts their mailing list signups by like 15k or more... so it does seem to help build the fan base. The quality of the fan you get is debatable, since they're likely to be folks who only want stuff for free, but still, there's a potential strategy there.


On one hand, wow, that's interesting!
On the other...
.... mailing lists? In 2020? It seems I'm even more out of touch than I thought.







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"Re(6):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Thu 18 Jun 10:28post reply

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.... mailing lists? In 2020? It seems I'm even more out of touch than I thought.

You're so in-touch that you're out of touch again! Listservs are the new social media which are the new blogs which are the new BBS's which are the new listservs.





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"Re(6):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Thu 18 Jun 14:07post reply

believe it or not, when it comes to retaining customers and stuff, a lot of indies have turned to mailing lists because they're opt-in and show that the person is actually interested in what you have to say, so they get better engagement than, for example, a twitter follow.

yeah, it's weird times out there, folks are trying everything!!







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"Re(7):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Fri 19 Jun 04:22post reply

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believe it or not, when it comes to retaining customers and stuff, a lot of indies have turned to mailing lists because they're opt-in and show that the person is actually interested in what you have to say, so they get better engagement than, for example, a twitter follow.

yeah, it's weird times out there, folks are trying everything!!



I think in recent years more people have started to realize that Twitter isn't necessarily as all-encompassing and ever-present as it appears. Apparently less then a quarter of internet users use Twitter, and less than half of those Twitter users will be on Twitter daily. (And even Twitter acknowledges that up to 8.5% of its active accounts may actually be bots.)

I probably check Twitter a handful of times per month, generally when something else prompts me to remember I have a Twitter account, and thus I miss pretty much any Twitter announcements directly. I get most of my Twitter news from forums where other people post Twitter links.







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"Re(8):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Fri 19 Jun 07:33post reply

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I probably check Twitter a handful of times per month, generally when something else prompts me to remember I have a Twitter account, and thus I miss pretty much any Twitter announcements directly. I get most of my Twitter news from forums where other people post Twitter links.



yeah, I think it's mostly that people have started to mostly engage with one form of social media primarily, and ignore the other ones unless something happens there. twitter happens to be the one I'm on, and it's quite active for me, but I'm already recognizing that the audience is aging up with me, and not really being replaced by younger people, who are going elsewhere.

There's kind of a stereotype that 50+ year olds are on facebook, 35 year olds are on twitter, 25 year olds are on instagram, and teens are on tik tok, and... I think this is one stereotype that's not far off from truth.







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"Re(9):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remind" , posted Fri 19 Jun 10:59post reply

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I probably check Twitter a handful of times per month, generally when something else prompts me to remember I have a Twitter account, and thus I miss pretty much any Twitter announcements directly. I get most of my Twitter news from forums where other people post Twitter links.


yeah, I think it's mostly that people have started to mostly engage with one form of social media primarily, and ignore the other ones unless something happens there. twitter happens to be the one I'm on, and it's quite active for me, but I'm already recognizing that the audience is aging up with me, and not really being replaced by younger people, who are going elsewhere.

There's kind of a stereotype that 50+ year olds are on facebook, 35 year olds are on twitter, 25 year olds are on instagram, and teens are on tik tok, and... I think this is one stereotype that's not far off from truth.



I have all sorts of notions about social networks which are entirely unproveable but are amusing to think about.

One of them is that unless you are a big media star with broad appeal, social media algorithms of today will inevitably ghetto-ize you with people like yourself. Because they will aim to direct people to you who are similar to those you engage most with, inevitably any given social media platform will be perceived by its users to be "aging up" because all of the discovery functionality will be heavily weighted towards things like yourself.

Another one is that there will continue to be markets for new social media platforms every few years, at least until there are endemic monopolies (e.g. if China were to mandate that the only social network allowed to operate in China is WeChat and weibo). The reason for this is two-fold: one is that youth will specifically want to NOT use the same social network that their parents are on: "It doesn't matter what it is, if my mom and dad use it, I DON'T WANT IT!" The cohort to this is the desire for a place that can be your "own stomping grounds". A social network that is relatively new can feel like that fresh pasture that your friends can be on, even if the truth of that is entirely based on perception. Inevitably this becomes the one you stick with because all your friends are on it, and the cycle repeats.

A third one is that video games will serve ever-increasingly large audiences as a social network. As a generation grows up with online games that form a major part of their life and a major means of communication, it winds up becoming a major de facto social network for them, and it serves as the SNS/platform bridge across the other social networks that the friends playing that game use.





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"Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic remin" , posted Fri 19 Jun 13:08:post reply

These talks about social media are very interesting. To add on, there's certainly differences in social media usage between countries. Taking Japan as an example, the top Social media is LINE with around 84 million active users/accounts, followed by Twitter (45 million), Instagram (33 million), Facebook (26 million), and Tiqtoq (9.5 million). Whatsapp is non-existant.

LINE is pretty much the de facto social media here, so much so that the government used it during the early stages of the Coronavirus outbreak to check via questionnaires on how much of the population might be having symptoms. Most people here use a combination of LINE and another social media which usage is divided by age and purpose; Twitter is widely used for catching up to things and the core users are in their 20's and 30's (median is 35), while Instagram and TiqToq serves the more younger age range around 10's-20's. Instagram gets used by older age users too, since it allows for more text than Twitter and negative feedback is generally considered Taboo. Meanwhile Tiqtoq is used by the younger gens that grew up with smartphones and live in the hassle-free era; it does a good job letting them express themselves with filters and music, sort of like the "yattemita" clips during the NicoNico era but with more ease.

Facebook is a bit wonky; users of age 20's-30's make the bulk of their registered users but their core users are around age 40. However for entertainment sectors interested in trying to reach out to this older generation, it doesn't nessesarily mean that Facebook is the solution because it's used generally as a business oriented social media, ergo the higher age-- people would probably frown on succumbing to their hobbies on Facebook unlike how they would on other social medias.

I do wonder about gaming though, with the younger generation. At least here, they're used to subscription services and F2P games that the potentials of monetizing from them seems lower than with other generations. For example the core income here for SNS game publishers reportedly come from those in their 30's-40's, which makes sense considering multiple variables. (to me personally, it feels like the younger generation spend more on merchandise than games)





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"Re(2):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Sat 20 Jun 02:27post reply

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The reason for this is two-fold: one is that youth will specifically want to NOT use the same social network that their parents are on: "It doesn't matter what it is, if my mom and dad use it, I DON'T WANT IT!" The cohort to this is the desire for a place that can be your "own stomping grounds".

I wonder if in a few generations, all the kids will be on Facebook because their parents would think "that's what my parents used!".
A social platform with only your best friends from school, but also your grand-parents so they can see what you like and give you appropriate presents for Christmas. OK, your grand parents might still post some weird out of touch and racist thing from time to time, but it's not different from any family dinner so you know how to ignore that.

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At least here, they're used to subscription services and F2P games that the potentials of monetizing from them seems lower than with other generations. For example the core income here for SNS game publishers reportedly come from those in their 30's-40's, which makes sense considering multiple variables. (to me personally, it feels like the younger generation spend more on merchandise than games)

That would explain why most of the gacha games being launched are from licenses that are 10 or 20 years old (or even older, like the recent Captain Tsubasa gacha, or Yuyu Hakusho gacha), instead of something popular now among kids like Kimetsu no yaiba.







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"Re(2):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Sat 20 Jun 03:17:post reply

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Facebook usage in Japan


In some ways it's like what one portion of Twitter is: a method for just blasting out corporate messaging.
Does it wind up being like LinkedIn's "social" features, which to me feel very cold and alien because the entire purpose of LinkedIn is to try to get a job? What do normal people (as opposed to corporate entities) tend to communicate on Facebook in Japan, given that there's a clear line of personal/fluff that comes across as gauche there?


A thing which I find Twitter has never really solved (and that they have no intention of solving) is that Twitter in its own original stated purpose was not a medium for conversations, but for broadcasting: it was something to send out brief thoughts/messages, hence "tweets". But because it has the option for replying, it has inevitably been used as a medium for conversations/dialogues, in spite of it inherently not being designed for that. People have had to try to hack up their own long-message things, there's a twitter unroller, etc. The whole medium is fundamentally flawed for what people are trying to use it for, but because everyone is on it and it's where all the hot topics are, everyone continues to try to use it for that. And I think the effects of that are not insignificant! By making discourse more inefficient, it's inevitable that the level of discourse is lowered.

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I do think a confounding factor is the time/money balance that has been present with every generation of the past several decades: the younger generation has time but not money, while the older generation has money but not time. It is easy for a younger person who has a great deal of time but not money to amuse themselves by jumping between a bunch of different mobage or to spend hours and hours grinding away at one. The older person may simply not have the time for that, or wants to utilize the power of their money to get what they want. If you look at gacha rates, 1% rates for the shiny super rare whatever means that getting one RIGHT THIS MOMENT is simply not something that is going to happen for an average younger person because they just don't have literally a few hundred dollars they can blow on a whim. Merchandising winds up working better with them because whether they buy a cheaper item or save up for a more expensive item, the thing they want is the thing they get.

The same goes with buying a pokemon game for your kids: you can plunk down $60 now, and now your kid is set for entertainment and socializing for months! One-time fees! Hooray!

I think there's an interesting question around the idea of thresholds of value/entry: arcades were great for kids back then even if there was no guarantee of total play time because the cost of entry was low enough for them to access, and access to games was valuable. Now that access to games is no longer valuable what with F2P games and the ubiquity of computing devices, the question becomes what is the threshold of something sufficiently valuable versus affordable for a younger person?





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"Re(3):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Sat 20 Jun 16:52:post reply

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Facebook usage in Japan

In some ways it's like what one portion of Twitter is: a method for just blasting out corporate messaging.
Does it wind up being like LinkedIn's "social" features, which to me feel very cold and alien because the entire purpose of LinkedIn is to try to get a job? What do normal people (as opposed to corporate entities) tend to communicate on Facebook in Japan, given that there's a clear line of personal/fluff that comes across as gauche there?


From my personal experience, people tend to use Facebook as sort of a resume and contact window to keep in touch with associates they've met at work-related parties etc. They do talk about hobbies within acceptable constraints, such as traveling, DJ'ing, surfing etc. (I swear though, it feels like most of the hobbies that my associates mention on Facebook are things they can write off as expenditures from whatever current project they've been handed.)

The thing with Facebook is, when it was first introduced to Japan, the fundamental notion was that it was mandatory for users to use their real name and identity. That more or less ended up setting the direction of Facebook usage in Japan. There are of course people that use Facebook for personal non-business use, but it's no different that they tend to play safe and it's rare to see people bringing up subjects that can potentially stain their reputation.

Twitter on the other hand allows for anonymous and multi-account usage, so the way people take advantage of it is very versatile. It's pretty common for people to use multiple accounts for their different hobbies and purposes, for example you can have one account for communication with hobby friends, another account for trading items, another for local shopping purposes and campaigns, etc. The text limit isn't a huge problem for Japan as it is for English since the language is compressed, although admittedly 140 letters still isn't enough to go into long discussions.


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I think there's an interesting question around the idea of thresholds of value/entry: arcades were great for kids back then even if there was no guarantee of total play time because the cost of entry was low enough for them to access, and access to games was valuable. Now that access to games is no longer valuable what with F2P games and the ubiquity of computing devices, the question becomes what is the threshold of something sufficiently valuable versus affordable for a younger person?


This is a very good question. From what I understand the average monthly allowance of a highschooler here is around 6,300 yen, plus 10,000 yen for smartphone/communication bills although that differs between households on whether the parent directly pays for it or hands the money to their child. 6,300 yen isn't much so taking on a part-time job would be very logical (average in Tokyo after tax is around 1,050yen/h). For Junior highschoolers it's a bit tougher since the average allowance is 2,500 yen and by Japanese law you can't get hired until March 31 after your 15th birthday. Gradeschoolers get a measely average of 1,000 yen.

At anime shops for example, most items are offered at an affordable price around 350-980 yen. These would be things like trading cards, clear file folders, gashas/ichiban-kuji. As it might sound, many of these products are random packs so trading/selling becomes a prequisite; a great way of keeping single prices down but having the customer keep buying. In comparison, SNS gashas at their 3000yen per ten-roll price isn't within sensible range for kids. Console games on the other hand makes more sense, since you can buy and sell at a used store and the margin you'd end up paying would be somewhere between 2,000-3,000, given that you have the console to begin with.

Come to think, that sort of brings another explanation on why fighting games aren't too popular amongst the younger age range-- it's too expensive when considering the need of a console and stick.

It's great going to the anime shops; you can hear conversations and the livelyhood of younger voices in real-time. It's quite different from the dried enthusiasm of old gamers for sure.





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"Re(4):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Sat 20 Jun 23:25post reply

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It's great going to the anime shops; you can hear conversations and the livelyhood of younger voices in real-time. It's quite different from the dried enthusiasm of old gamers for sure.


If I may ask, what is it they ususally say?





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"Re(5):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Sun 21 Jun 00:24:post reply

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It's great going to the anime shops; you can hear conversations and the livelyhood of younger voices in real-time. It's quite different from the dried enthusiasm of old gamers for sure.

If I may ask, what is it they ususally say?



If you mean to ask how their conversation tends to be different from gamers, gamers tend to talk about systems, whereas they talk more about the characters (they're looking at merchandises, so obviously so).

It should be noted that anime shop customers tends to be more girls than boys which is a big difference from game shops. But the random stuff they talk about actually aren't that different (did you pick this up already?, hey where should we go after this?, Oh yeah he/she's totally my recommended character, etc etc).

Also, gamers usually hit a shop to buy a particular title they have in mind, but customers to anime shops make their visits more randomly and they commonly buy merchandise for multiple titles, so the conversation can likewise span through multiple titles in a short time.





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"Re(6):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Mon 22 Jun 17:47post reply

It's silhouette guessing time!

We can exclude Cham-Cham. And also Kusaregedoh (I'm sad).

Could be Andrew from SS6?
A new character?







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"Re(7):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Mon 22 Jun 22:31post reply

The discussion about social platforms is interesting. Too often the ubiquity of a platform in one area makes the users think that it is universally used. The truth, however, is that may have a completely different function in a different part of the world. It makes communication with a worldwide audience a lot more tricky since there isn't a single, perfect platform.

In order to finally achieve a single, common communication system we are either going to end up interacting through dance emotes in Fortnite or go back to signing guestbooks.

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It's silhouette guessing time!

We can exclude Cham-Cham. And also Kusaregedoh (I'm sad).

Could be Andrew from SS6?
A new character?


That really, really looks like the Warden from For Honor but we shall see.







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"Re(8):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Tue 23 Jun 03:43post reply

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"Re(6):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Tue 23 Jun 07:40post reply

sorry to get back to the social media thing but I've noticed that about Facebook in Japan too - it's used as a way to keep in touch with folks you know peripherally from conferences or business meetings. It's maybe the only reason I'm still on Facebook actually, and it's the primary way that some companies contact me. It's pretty odd, but japan has got me keeping facebook :P







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"Re(7):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Tue 23 Jun 07:44post reply

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sorry to get back to the social media thing but I've noticed that about Facebook in Japan too - it's used as a way to keep in touch with folks you know peripherally from conferences or business meetings. It's maybe the only reason I'm still on Facebook actually, and it's the primary way that some companies contact me. It's pretty odd, but japan has got me keeping facebook :P



In the year 2020 Facebook is a crucial tool for commercial SNK game translations... I guess that means we can't destroy Facebook, how sad.

That really makes it sound like what LinkedIn wants its social features to be.







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"Re(8):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Tue 23 Jun 09:56post reply

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That really makes it sound like what LinkedIn wants its social features to be.

"What's a linkedin? Can you eat it?"

Yeah, no one uses Linkedin in Japan. Professor's totally right, of course: Facebook started out in a limited fashion due to the real name thing, and had higher earlier usage among the international/multilingual crowd. The real name requirement meant that it also eventually filled the networking role that Linkedin somehow missed completely. I don't remember when Linkedin was first available in Japanese, but Facebook was pretty early on, and I suspect there were other factors, too. As a networking tool, Linkedin might be TOO serious: there's nothing "fun" about it, and it looks so "professional" that you'd feel uncomfortable posting much of anything lest you look like you're officially representing your company, and it's hard to escape the assumption you're on there looking for a job, whereas Facebook you could play sort of ambiguously. So nowadays, Facebook in Japan can be a funny mix of both your actual friends and some professional contacts that would seem less appropriate in the US unless you were a serious Silicon Valley type.

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"Re(8):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Wed 24 Jun 00:45post reply



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That really, really looks like the Warden from For Honor but we shall see.










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"Re(9):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epic" , posted Wed 24 Jun 00:50post reply

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That really, really looks like the Warden from For Honor but we shall see.





How did people manage to correctly identify the silhouette of a fully equipped medieval knight?

Oh, well. There were dozens of better characters for the spot, but also dozens of far worse characters they could have picked, so..... yeay...?





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"Re(10):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epi" , posted Wed 24 Jun 03:29post reply

Jeez, I really cannot see this collaboration paying of for SNK in the long run. I kind of dropped playing the new SamSho and season pass 2 isn't really tickling anything so far.

I guess I could understand wanting a more catch-all Knight character and Walter from SamSho Sen was probably WAAAY too generic to bring back.

On Neo Geo collection, that graphic filter is pretty impressive at times. The character select portraits on SSV looked like new art by Chamba (the Udon artist). The gallery is also very much appreciated. I love seeing behind the scenes art on games that show a wide variety of ideas thrown around before we got the iconic designs we have today. Proto-Nakoruru would have been a wreck. I love this stuff much more than some of the Naughty Dog artbooks out there. Those are great for environmental art, but you usually see the same generic characters, but in different shirt colors or patterns.

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"Re(2):Re(10):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free " , posted Wed 24 Jun 04:50post reply

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Jeez, I really cannot see this collaboration paying of for SNK in the long run. I kind of dropped playing the new SamSho and season pass 2 isn't really tickling anything so far.


The season 2 pass feels very low budget, as if they were trying to get by with cleavage instead of interesting gameplay. But considering I'm amazed SS even got a second season I can't complain too much.

Speaking of low budget, Warden is a perfect choice. He has no face and SNK could probably reuse a number of attack animations from other sword swinging characters. I'm also amused by the idea of a big crossover character being a nameless grunt. Not every character needs a convoluted backstory; sometimes fighting is simply their job. Still, I'm not certain that Warden's gameplay looks quite like it does in FH. I only mess around with PvE in FH, but when I play the Warden I spend all my time trying to shoulder charge enemies so they fall into bottomless pits. The clip featured too much slashing and not enough of the Warden stupidly running into people.







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"Re(10):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free on Epi" , posted Wed 24 Jun 07:02post reply

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How did people manage to correctly identify the silhouette of a fully equipped medieval knight?



When I did an image search for Warden, the first result was an almost identical match to the silhouette. I compared the silhouette and Warden's image in a graphics program, and the angle was only slightly off, preventing a truly perfect match. But the multiple points of detail all lined up when you did allow for a slightly different angle. The image of Warden I'd found happened to be the same image that Ubisoft uses on its web site for For Honor.

Besides, once you know the silhouette is someone in full armor, I'd argue it becomes easier to match it to a source rather than harder. There are only so many fully armored characters to match against, and most will have differing details in their silhouettes.

At least as long as the silhouette hasn't itself been altered to prevent matching. (Which I believe Capcom did with some of its SFV silhouettes.)







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"Re(2):Re(10):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free " , posted Wed 24 Jun 09:20post reply

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How did people manage to correctly identify the silhouette of a fully equipped medieval knight?


When I did an image search for Warden, the first result was an almost identical match to the silhouette. I compared the silhouette and Warden's image in a graphics program, and the angle was only slightly off, preventing a truly perfect match. But the multiple points of detail all lined up when you did allow for a slightly different angle. The image of Warden I'd found happened to be the same image that Ubisoft uses on its web site for For Honor.

Besides, once you know the silhouette is someone in full armor, I'd argue it becomes easier to match it to a source rather than harder. There are only so many fully armored characters to match against, and most will have differing details in their silhouettes.

At least as long as the silhouette hasn't itself been altered to prevent matching. (Which I believe Capcom did with some of its SFV silhouettes.)


That, and I spend a lot of time playing dress-up dolls with my characters (the main reason to play FH) and the Warden is in that pose when I'm trying to decide what color of fabric trim would go good with the new pommel I unlocked.







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"Re(3):Re(10):Re(10):SamSho NeoGeo Coll. free" , posted Wed 24 Jun 18:06post reply

Internet detectives are really amazing!
How did you rule out "main character from Dark Souls 1/2/3"? Is the pose really that specific?







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"SNK might be moving again" , posted Sun 5 Jul 02:23post reply

Sony is in talks to buy Leyou meaning that, once again, SNK may change hands. Eventually all entertainment brands will collapse into a singularity owned by Disney but until then SNK will continue to merrily bounce between suitors.





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Sony is in talks to buy Leyou meaning that, once again, SNK may change hands. Eventually all entertainment brands will collapse into a singularity owned by Disney but until then SNK will continue to merrily bounce between suitors.



It looks like Leyou doesn't own SNK, but another company called Ledo Millenium does, and at some point Leyou owned Ledo.
It's so confusing!





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"Re(2):SNK might be moving again" , posted Sun 5 Jul 20:50:post reply

That's interesting, thanks for the heads up; so apparently, Ledo broke off agreements with Leyou before things between them were even solid back around the time of SNK's acquisition. Details here.

On a slightly related note, SNK went public on the Korean stock exchange back last May. They had some bumps on startup and things still seem bitter for them, as their share price dropped by more than half in the past year (36,250 > 15,550 KRW) and it certainly wasn't due to the Coronavirus.

Hopefully KOF15 will debut with fanfare and bump their share values up rather than get mocked as a Simple 1500 series budget game like their last release..





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They had some bumps on startup and things still seem bitter for them, as their share price dropped by more than half in the past year
Sorry dudes, it was actually me. I bought all of SNK on a lark because it was cheap and ďseemed like a good idea at the time.Ē Under my CEOship, we will all be calling it Imoya again like the old days and Metal Slug will feature in every game, including fighting games, but Iím confident that my vague 20-year-old recollections of Samurai Spirits and my utter ignorance of KOF will not cause any more problems than modern Konamiís abiding hatred for video games does. Please look forward to it!





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"Re(4):SNK might be moving again" , posted Tue 7 Jul 09:32post reply

Wow, thanks for the clarification. So a large number of people, including me, didn't know who owned SNK for the past few years? For any other company that would be weird but with SNK it's just one more thing in its storied and dodgy ownership history.







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"Re(5):SNK might be moving again" , posted Tue 7 Jul 18:33post reply

Aww, too bad, there goes my joke "they bought a big company but they caught SNK along with it like a veneral disease".







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"Re(6):SNK might be moving again" , posted Wed 8 Jul 06:48post reply

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"Re(7):SNK might be moving again" , posted Mon 20 Jul 02:08post reply

A midnight bliss Rugal is coming to the Beach of Fighters special in Senran Kagura: New Link. This is why we can't have nice things.





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"Re(8):SNK might be moving again" , posted Tue 21 Jul 08:48post reply

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Kula being presented in lewd bikinis with big breasts actually worries me more... isn't she supposed to be a pre-teen or something? That's very, VERY wrong...

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"SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Tue 21 Jul 16:52:post reply

Seen some circulation about a reddit post detailing some leaks that may have been debunked by now.
SNK Influencer Leak

In any case, the oven is getting hot with the latest installment of KOF coming soon. We could start a conversation about the leaks but I will start off witb what I would like to see in the next or future KOF game.

Sorry no team names,
Kyo Iori Chizumaru
Syo BaeDal Lilly Kane
Shingo ShenWoo GaiTendo
Leona Whip Marco(or Fio maybe?)
Mai Andy Hokutomaru
Yuri King B,Jenet
Ryo Robert Krushnood
Kim DongHwan JaeHoon
Sie Momoko Bao
Kula Foxy Dianna (or candy)
Terry Rock Alice(who would go with this team? Had a hard time choosing)
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Gato Hotaru Silber
Freeman Adelheid Malin
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Joe H, Payak Sitipitak, Rob Python





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"Re(1):SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Tue 21 Jul 20:38post reply

quote:
Seen some circulation about a reddit post detailing some leaks that may have been debunked by now.
SNK Influencer Leak

In any case, the oven is getting hot with the latest installment of KOF coming soon. We could start a conversation about the leaks but I will start off witb what I would like to see in the next or future KOF game.

Sorry no team names,
Kyo Iori Chizumaru
Syo BaeDal Lilly Kane
Shingo ShenWoo GaiTendo
Leona Whip Marco(or Fio maybe?)
Mai Andy Hokutomaru
Yuri King B,Jenet
Ryo Robert Krushnood
Kim DongHwan JaeHoon
Sie Momoko Bao
Kula Foxy Dianna (or candy)
Terry Rock Alice(who would go with this team? Had a hard time choosing)
BlueMary Kevin Vanessa
Gato Hotaru Silber
Freeman Adelheid Malin
Grant Kain Hein
Kasumi Hinako Xiang Fei
Joe H, Payak Sitipitak, Rob Python



Good question, and I love the idea of Khushnood joining Ryo and Robert (though I'd prefer him to have his name from the Japanese version, Marco... who thought it would be a good idea to name a character as Khushnood??).

Two things I'd like to see in the next KOF are the original formation of the Women Team (King, Mai, Yuri - hopefully without the silly clothing damage this time, or at least give that effect to the AOF guys as well) and the return of Yashiro, Shermie and Chris. Maybe this time we'd be able to find out if their story as a band looking for revenge against Iori was just a faÁade to hide their Orochi agenda, or if they really were unaware that they were three of the Orochi kings and had their personalities taken over by the Orochi blood. I mean, some dialogues in SNK Heroines seem to indicate some of the girls there do have a friendly impression of Shermie...





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"Re(2):SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Wed 22 Jul 02:23post reply

quote:
Seen some circulation about a reddit post detailing some leaks that may have been debunked by now.
SNK Influencer Leak

In any case, the oven is getting hot with the latest installment of KOF coming soon. We could start a conversation about the leaks but I will start off witb what I would like to see in the next or future KOF game.

Sorry no team names,
Kyo Iori Chizumaru
Syo BaeDal Lilly Kane
Shingo ShenWoo GaiTendo
Leona Whip Marco(or Fio maybe?)
Mai Andy Hokutomaru
Yuri King B,Jenet
Ryo Robert Krushnood
Kim DongHwan JaeHoon
Sie Momoko Bao
Kula Foxy Dianna (or candy)
Terry Rock Alice(who would go with this team? Had a hard time choosing)
BlueMary Kevin Vanessa
Gato Hotaru Silber
Freeman Adelheid Malin
Grant Kain Hein
Kasumi Hinako Xiang Fei
Joe H, Payak Sitipitak, Rob Python


Good question, and I love the idea of Khushnood joining Ryo and Robert (though I'd prefer him to have his name from the Japanese version, Marco... who thought it would be a good idea to name a character as Khushnood??).

Two things I'd like to see in the next KOF are the original formation of the Women Team (King, Mai, Yuri - hopefully without the silly clothing damage this time, or at least give that effect to the AOF guys as well) and the return of Yashiro, Shermie and Chris. Maybe this time we'd be able to find out if their story as a band looking for revenge ag

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Khushnood is an ok name! Really the tragedy is that the last name "Butt" is a normal last name in the Middle East, but looks silly when romanized. I recall one person from Pakistan mentioned that because sometimes have romanized names that wind up being funny enough that they keep them, but others look bad (like "Butt") so they register a different English name to avoid the stigma of having a dumb-looking name.

I think the bigger problem with Khushnood is that this new name is unnecessary, changes his heritage, and goes against the intended setting for this character. He was designed to be a Brazilian, and the Brazil/Japan connection is well-documented in terms of culture as well as in terms of martial arts. That was totally fine, except I guess SNK of America believed that Americans expect anybody with a Latino-sounding name to need to conform to American stereotypes of Mexicans. In fact, the first time I saw Khushnood Butt, I thought "oh cool, an Indian who does Karate! That's just like two of my pals from elementary school! That's awesome!" But when I learned about how this name was used to wipe out an entirely different character who had his own cultural heritage, I didn't feel so good about it.

Now, would I want an Indian or Middle Eastern world warrior? I ABSOLUTELY WOULD!
In fact, Indian martial arts and characters are terribly under-utilized in fighting games, when there's a rich history there to make use of, to say nothing of Indians practicing martial arts from elsewhere!







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"Re(1):SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Wed 22 Jul 07:54post reply

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Seen some circulation about a reddit post detailing some leaks that may have been debunked by now.
SNK Influencer Leak


Ha ha, the "leak" is already deleted.

Wasn't the SNK World Tournament was supposed to be in March? Small wonder people are writing leak fanfiction; we're overdue for an announcement.





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"Re(3):SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Wed 22 Jul 16:20post reply

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Now, would I want an Indian or Middle Eastern world warrior? I ABSOLUTELY WOULD!
In fact, Indian martial arts and characters are terribly under-utilized in fighting games, when there's a rich history there to make use of, to say nothing of Indians practicing martial arts from elsewhere!



Aside from Dhalsim, I can't remember any other fighter from India!

I think we need a less silly, more serious looking capoeira fighter in KOF. What we had until now? A kindergarten psychic loli, and Zarina that is dressed and moves more like for dancing than fighting.

Probably all the new fighters introduced in 14 are too much silly looking or trying too hard to not be normal: the boy with the pillow, the chinese shonen anime protagonist, the chinese girls with the masks, the crazy Kyary Pamyu Pamyu clone, the crazy guy escaped from jail, the cool looking cold butler with a chess theme and gravity powers out from some other shonen anime, the boy with the cyborg arm, the brazilian ninja weaboo, the mysterious hooded fighter with sand powers.
The most normal looking are the pachi slot girls and Kim's master and wife.
Not that I dislike them, I like them a lot, but some more "normal" looking fighter sometimes would not be bad.





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"Re(4):SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Wed 22 Jul 17:30post reply

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I think we need a less silly, more serious looking capoeira fighter in KOF. What we had until now? A kindergarten psychic loli, and Zarina that is dressed and moves more like for dancing than fighting.





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"Re(5):SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Wed 22 Jul 18:19post reply

Yesss!
They can even do a full capoeira team, with Richard and Bob we have already 2 slots filled.







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"Re(4):SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Wed 22 Jul 23:22post reply

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I was going to say "you don't remember Darun Mister from FEXL?" but then I remembered nobody remembers FEXL.





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"Re(5):SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Thu 23 Jul 03:16post reply

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Aside from Dhalsim, I can't remember any other fighter from India!

I was going to say "you don't remember Darun Mister from FEXL?" but then I remembered nobody remembers FEXL.



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"Re(5):SNK Roster Leaks might be moving again!" , posted Thu 23 Jul 03:16post reply

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Aside from Dhalsim, I can't remember any other fighter from India!

I was going to say "you don't remember Darun Mister from FEXL?" but then I remembered nobody remembers FEXL.



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"bunnygirl shodown" , posted Thu 30 Jul 18:33post reply

Trailer for Gongsun Li

The good thing is that if they released this today, we can exclude that SNK will show this again at the fighting games roundtable!







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"Re(1):bunnygirl shodown" , posted Fri 31 Jul 01:46post reply

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Trailer for Gongsun Li

The good thing is that if they released this today, we can exclude that SNK will show this again at the fighting games roundtable!


She's fighting with a parasol so I expect her to be as terrifying as Shizumaru. Bumbershoot Shodown is developing in scary new ways.







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"Re(1):bunnygirl shodown" , posted Fri 31 Jul 05:36post reply

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Trailer for Gongsun Li

The good thing is that if they released this today, we can exclude that SNK will show this again at the fighting games roundtable!


I wonder if the last character for the game will be someone from Ghost of Tsushima, so we can have a trio of the HONOR characters.





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"Re(2):bunnygirl shodown" , posted Sat 1 Aug 04:49post reply

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I wonder if the last character for the game will be someone from Ghost of Tsushima, so we can have a trio of the HONOR characters.



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"Re(3):bunnygirl shodown" , posted Sat 1 Aug 08:39post reply

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I wonder if the last character for the game will be someone from Ghost of Tsushima, so we can have a trio of the HONOR characters.


Perhaps it's not too late to add a Ninja Turtle.

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"Re(4):bunnygirl shodown" , posted Sat 1 Aug 19:04post reply

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I wonder if the last character for the game will be someone from Ghost of Tsushima, so we can have a trio of the HONOR characters.


Perhaps it's not too late to add a Ninja Turtle.
!!!!!

Their first brawl since...TMNT Tournament Fighters?!



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"Re(5):cabinet shodown" , posted Fri 14 Aug 00:31post reply

Another Neo Geo arcade simulation is coming out. Is there a market for these scaled down arcade cabs? If I was going to buy something like this I would want to go all the way and get a proper cabinet, not this Lilliputian version.





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"Re(6):cabinet shodown" , posted Fri 14 Aug 00:36post reply

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Another Neo Geo arcade simulation is coming out. Is there a market for these scaled down arcade cabs? If I was going to buy something like this I would want to go all the way and get a proper cabinet, not this Lilliputian version.



Is this a licensed product?
In the site there isn't a single mention of the SNK company or logo anywhere.







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"Re(7):cabinet shodown" , posted Sat 15 Aug 07:20post reply

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Is this a licensed product?
In the site there isn't a single mention of the SNK company or logo anywhere.



As I understand, it's a joint op between the manufacturing licensor and the disgraced maga hat wearing former pres of SNK USA. I think because of the manufacturer's license it's technically legal but it's not something I'd want to buy.





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"Re(8):cabinet shodown" , posted Sat 15 Aug 22:14post reply

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As I understand, it's a joint op between the manufacturing licensor and the disgraced maga hat wearing former pres of SNK USA.

You mean one of the Barones? UH OH... that gives me serious doubts as to its legality. BTW, one of them got caught shill bidding by neo-geo.com peeps back in the day. Or is somebody else?







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"Re(9):cabinet shodown" , posted Sun 16 Aug 08:11post reply

Oh ho, this thing is more ridiculous than I thought! While this product is certainly not something to be supported I do appreciate that it recreates the dodgy grey market aspect of the MVS period of SNK.





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"Re(6):cabinet shodown" , posted Tue 18 Aug 05:48post reply

The fact that there are so many games, and that so many series are presented in completion, makes the absence of Art of Fighting 2 confusing and conspicuous. Maybe they just ran out of space?

Also, $500 is a ridiculous price. If I want to play the roms on a big screen so desperately, I can hook a Neo Geo Mini or Pro up to an HDTV for much, much less. Who's going to get one of these when Xbox and PS5 are just around the bend?





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"Re(1):seeking samurai" , posted Thu 17 Sep 04:32post reply

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If any of you are interested in my work with SNK (and capcom) trying to find stuff to preserve, I gave a short talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1ocMxccCc


Cool, I'll be certain to watch!





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"Re(1):seeking samurai" , posted Sat 19 Sep 17:26post reply

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If any of you are interested in my work with SNK (and capcom) trying to find stuff to preserve, I gave a short talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1ocMxccCc



It's very interesting to get a view behind the hardships it took to create the in-depth collections! "Videogame archeology" is an awesome term, lol. Good to know that SNK still have those Nao-Q logos.





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"Re(1):seeking samurai" , posted Sun 20 Sep 01:32post reply

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If any of you are interested in my work with SNK (and capcom) trying to find stuff to preserve, I gave a short talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1ocMxccCc



Very interesting talk!
That warehouse in the middle of nowhere, amazing!!
I wonder what could be that mysterious unreleased Super Famicom RPG with a famous character.





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"Re(2):seeking samurai" , posted Sun 20 Sep 13:44post reply

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If any of you are interested in my work with SNK (and capcom) trying to find stuff to preserve, I gave a short talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1ocMxccCc


Very interesting talk!
That warehouse in the middle of nowhere, amazing!!
I wonder what could be that mysterious unreleased Super Famicom RPG with a famous character.



Pretty cool adventure nevertheless. Would have enjoyed it if I was alongside.

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"Porting samurai" , posted Fri 25 Sep 01:18post reply

Samurai Shodown will be available on the Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S.

Meanwhile I finally bought SS2019.
While I was playing as Shizumaru against Earthquake I noticed that the fighters have eye/head tracking, wow! It is pretty noticeable with those two. It was already discussed here? There are other fighting games doing this?







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"Re(1):Porting samurai" , posted Fri 25 Sep 09:02post reply

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Meanwhile I finally bought SS2019.
While I was playing as Shizumaru against Earthquake I noticed that the fighters have eye/head tracking, wow! It is pretty noticeable with those two. It was already discussed here? There are other fighting games doing this?


Kudos to SNK for the continuing success of SS! While I like the game Iím surprised it is doing so well. I suspect SNK is surprised as well.

As for head tracking, itís been in SF since SF4, and I am almost certain it has been in VF and Tekken longer than that. Nuts, now Iím curious as to which fighting game was the first to have heard tracking. Itís probably some weird old PSX game like Psychic Force.





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"Re(2):Porting samurai" , posted Fri 25 Sep 15:43:post reply

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As for head tracking, itís been in SF since SF4, and I am almost certain it has been in VF and Tekken longer than that. Nuts, now Iím curious as to which fighting game was the first to have heard tracking. Itís probably some weird old PSX game like Psychic Force.



I played SF4/5 and I didn't notice it much (aside from probably obvious scenario like one player standing and the other jumping?), there is something different in SS that made it more evident, but I don't know what. Or I am totally drunk, I don't know.

Update:
I checked SF5, now I know what is different.
I used Ryu vs Abigail, and when they are standing they look straight forward, Ryu looks up only if he is basically next to Abigail or crouching close to him, Abigail head position didn't change much. Obviously if one of the two is jumping the other look up.
In SS what surprised me is the naturalness (sorry, I don't know if there is a better english word, I can't find it) of the movement, even at the start of the match, Shizumaru vs Earthquake, Earthquake has his head slight tilted looking down, while Shizumaru without changing much his pose, his eyes are straight looking at Earthquake's eyes. He's looking straight in his eyes. So what is really different is that together with head tracking there is also eye tracking. And is pretty noticeable on characters with big eyes.
I need to load KOF14 again and check what they did there.

Now I really want Kusaregedo to be in the game to look down on every other puny samurai in that game with his big sexy eyes.





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As a random aside, I started reading The King of Fantasy manga. I'm only three chapters in and it has given Iori more character than the entirety of the KOF games combined.



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I hope the isekai develops on the very few character traits that have been added to Iori over the years. Mostly I'm hoping that the characters in the new world are amazed at Iori's cross-dressing skills.

Yeesh, everyone is getting onto the isekai bandwagon. First it was Iori, then Retsu from Grappler Baki and now there's going to be a Monster Hunter Isekai movie. If/when movies ever come back I guess that's what we will have to look forward to.







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I'd rather look forward to more chapters of Monster Hunter: Angry Bard instead. Alternate Athena is cuter and infinitely more likable than Jovovich.

Plus in the latest chapter

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"Samurai in 1863" , posted Thu 29 Oct 17:16post reply

Wow, next Samurai Shodown character will be from Last Blade!
They say "someone the fans absolutely adore!" Moriya? Setsuna?







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"Re(1):Samurai in 1863" , posted Thu 29 Oct 19:02:post reply

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Wow, next Samurai Shodown character will be from Last Blade!
They say "someone the fans absolutely adore!" Moriya? Setsuna?


I think it would be easier to make a list of the characters people don't like in Last Blade.

It will be Akari though, and I won't even be mad.

EDIT: Oh no, I'm silly, it will be Hibiki! She's popular and is probably one of the characters that will fit the best in the game. She's not stranger with cutting people in half and react to it.





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"Re(2):Samurai in 1863" , posted Thu 29 Oct 22:46post reply

Watch it be Musashi with 50% of assets recycled from Haohmaru!





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"Re(2):Samurai in 1863" , posted Thu 29 Oct 23:32post reply

It should be Amano just so SNK can be tongue-in-cheek about it in his ending.







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"Re(3):Samurai in 1863" , posted Fri 30 Oct 00:26:post reply

I'd love to see Genbu no Okina squabble with Nicotine.
Or a Gaira/JŻzŰ wrestling match.

Do we have any idea which other characters will be added to the season pass?
I hope we have at least another weirdo like Gen-an or Kusare GedŰ...





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"Re(3):Samurai in 1863" , posted Fri 30 Oct 00:51post reply

It's 100% Akari. It has to be.

As much as I love Hibiki this is a chance to add a character type that we don't really have in the game already, and Akari is popular enough to justify it (unlike 95% of the other LB characters, as cool as any of them are).







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"Re(4):Samurai in 1863" , posted Fri 30 Oct 01:17post reply

As far as my pick goes, I'm vacillating between Hibiki and Akari. I suspect it will be Hibiki simply because she has more straightforward attacks. So much of Akari's presentation revolves around yokai and other weird things jumping on and off the screen. I can't imagine SNK would want to try and animate all that for a DLC character at this point in the life of SS.

Hey, whatever happened to KoF 15?





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"Re(5):Samurai in 1863" , posted Fri 30 Oct 14:39post reply

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As far as my pick goes, I'm vacillating between Hibiki and Akari. I suspect it will be Hibiki simply because she has more straightforward attacks. So much of Akari's presentation revolves around yokai and other weird things jumping on and off the screen. I can't imagine SNK would want to try and animate all that for a DLC character at this point in the life of SS.

Hey, whatever happened to KoF 15?



I would say it's any of the LB characters from neo geo battle coliseum. Let's be real, the new samurai showdown, like the latest KOF, just copied into 3d. So it will be easier to move over those assets from NGBC of a Last Blade character to SamSho.

Well yea it may just be Akari.





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"Re(6):Samurai in 1863" , posted Fri 30 Oct 21:47post reply

I would love Akari because she is that unique. And the lack of a cutting instrument hasnít stopped other characters. She sort of resembles Rimururu a bit visually, thatís the only negative.

Second Last Blade pick for me would be Genbu... turtle lover and the most annoying character in the game :)







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"Re(7):Samurai in 1863" , posted Sat 31 Oct 02:01post reply

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I would love Akari because she is that unique. And the lack of a cutting instrument hasnít stopped other characters. She sort of resembles Rimururu a bit visually, thatís the only negative.

Second Last Blade pick for me would be Genbu... turtle lover and the most annoying character in the game :)



My ranking for "wow I can't stand fighting this character this character is SO UNFAIR!!!" from over a decade ago goes like this:

THIS CHARACTER IS OBVIOUSLY BROKEN TIER AND I HATE IT
Genbu
Amano
Akari

THIS CHARACTER IS UNFAIR AND POSSIBLY MAKES ANNOYING NOISES ALL THE TIME
Washizuka
Setsuna
Mukuro

I HATE THIS CHARACTER BUT I DON'T ENCOUNTER HIM OFTEN
Juzoh

This is entirely from playing against the CPU on an emulator that probably had many frames of input delay at a time when I knew much much less about fighting games.

I would love it if they threw all sense to the wind and put in Shigen, but I know that isn't going to happen. I think Hibiki and Moriya are overwhelmingly the mostly likely picks, but I would be extremely pleased if Genbu, Akari, or Lee were picked. Mukuro would actually fit well in it, and Washizuka is probably right on the edge of the timeline (when did the shinsengumi disband?). Juzoh's gameplay is fun, but having slow big strong hits is probably too similar to other existing characters.

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"Re(6):Samurai in 1863" , posted Sun 1 Nov 18:03post reply

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I would say it's any of the LB characters from neo geo battle coliseum. Let's be real, the new samurai showdown, like the latest KOF, just copied into 3d. So it will be easier to move over those assets from NGBC of a Last Blade character to SamSho.

Well yea it may just be Akari.



But NGBC is a 2D game, I don't think there is any reusable assets for 3D games.
They can copy the move list at most.





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"Re(7):Samurai in 1863" , posted Thu 5 Nov 07:08post reply

quote:

I would say it's any of the LB characters from neo geo battle coliseum. Let's be real, the new samurai showdown, like the latest KOF, just copied into 3d. So it will be easier to move over those assets from NGBC of a Last Blade character to SamSho.

Well yea it may just be Akari.


But NGBC is a 2D game, I don't think there is any reusable assets for 3D games.
They can copy the move list at most.



I love how there are many valid options for the LB character

Kaede: The Male Mascot
Moriya/Setsuna: The cool character
Akari: The Female Mascot

btw, I recall reading here that there was an arcade in japan that only has 1 machine (Fatal Fury Special I guess) anyone know where it is? Or I imagined that?





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"Re(8):Samurai in 1863" , posted Wed 2 Dec 22:25post reply

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btw, I recall reading here that there was an arcade in japan that only has 1 machine (Fatal Fury Special I guess) anyone know where it is? Or I imagined that?



How did I miss this post! Yes indeed there is one in Nagoya prefecture, which is kinda between Tokyo in the east and Osaka in the west. Right now they're open 3 nights of the week and they even have a Twitter account. https://twitter.com/syuragayuku

For store photos there's an article here (ja).

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"KOFXV" , posted Fri 4 Dec 01:23post reply

Here it's the teaser for KOF XV!

We have some drawing of Shunei, Kyo and Benimaru. Shunei I don't see any changes, Kyo is back to a more normal look, Benimaru has a new chinese shirt (I don't know if it has a better name).
Shunei confirmed to be the protagonist.
First trailer on January 7th 2021.
Also on the same date more characters for Samurai Shodown Season Pass 3 will be revealed.







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"Re(1):KOFXV" , posted Fri 4 Dec 01:42post reply

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Here it's the teaser for KOF XV!


And here I thought it was time for a new installment of Fatal Fury/Garou...







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"Re(2):KOFXV" , posted Fri 4 Dec 03:09post reply

I love how they have to explicitly point out that Shun'ei is the protagonist in a teaser where Kyo still gets top billing. Even Falcoon's OCs weren't done dirty as this poor guy.

Hopefully his rival doesn't share the same fate (if they remember to give him one).

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We will never know what was written in Geese's will. We'll just have to be content with the wacky escapades of Rock and his two dads.







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"Re(2):KOFXV" , posted Fri 4 Dec 03:39post reply

Nice qipao you got there Benimaru.

Is Shun'ei cosplaying as Tony from Battle Fighters Garou Densetsu 2 or is he a random collection of fashion quirks? I thought they might modify his outfit a bit since he's the de-facto main character but I guess not. Is that coat built into his character model?





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"SNK will reveal a new console in 2021!!" , posted Wed 16 Dec 02:16post reply

https://www.siliconera.com/snk-will-reveal-a-new-console-in-2021/

This should be the Neo Geo 3 that was rumored some times ago (NG1 was the mini, NG2 the arcade stick).
Will this be a real console with new hardware or another emulation thing with some roms?
2021 will be interesting.





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"Re(8):Samurai in 1863" , posted Thu 17 Dec 07:22post reply

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btw, I recall reading here that there was an arcade in japan that only has 1 machine (Fatal Fury Special I guess) anyone know where it is? Or I imagined that?



Garospe Stadium in a cozy place. Basically it's just a small room with 6 cabinets, all running FFS. Sometimes the place is rented out to host events for other Neo Geo fighting games, like SS2 and WH2.

It's kind of like a private club room with an entrance fee, and like Prof said, only open 2-3 evenings a week. I went there in November 2019 and had fun.





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"Pasta boy is back" , posted Thu 4 Mar 16:44post reply

Andy Bogard character trailer!
Finally he looks good, he is no more a PS2 model.





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"Re(1):Pasta boy is back" , posted Thu 4 Mar 20:28:post reply

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Andy Bogard character trailer!
Finally he looks good, he is no more a PS2 model.



He looks great! And that scene with Mai... I wonder if it indicates XV will have a cinematic Story Mode or if that's how special intros will look like in this game (in XIV they were made with a split screen).

So, Terry should be next, right? Hopefully the AOF Team will be the next team shown, so that we'll find out soon who will be the third person alongside Ryo and Robert this time (Marco a.k.a. Khushnood - I prefer to use his name in Japan, as it at least looks remotely believable for a Brazilian man - would be a nice choice, even though he's not an AOF character).





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"Re(1):Pasta boy is back" , posted Fri 5 Mar 03:11post reply

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Andy Bogard character trailer!
Finally he looks good, he is no more a PS2 model.



I agree, he looks spectacular!

I love these weekly reveals, it gently builds up hype for the game, IMO. It also helps that SNK confirmed rollback as well.





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"Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Thu 11 Mar 23:30:post reply

Yes, Yuri's back! And with her long braid, too! Her short hair was nice for one or two games, but I must admit I'm glad she got her iconic braid back.

Now, will Yuri be in the AOF Team or in the Women Team? It's hard to picture Ryo and Robert without her (there's Takuma, but he's not as popular), but on the other hand, every time she teams up with King and Mai, it's nostalgic in the best way...

Whatever team she's in, SNK, please don't add the clothing damage to her this time. We're long past the days where humiliating women was acceptable.





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"Re(1):Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Fri 12 Mar 01:24post reply

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Yes, Yuri's back! And with her long braid, too! Her short hair was nice for one or two games, but I must admit I'm glad she got her iconic braid back.



Hey SNK, you know what would have been expectation shattering? Giving her the casual outfit she wore in AOF3.

Or how about reinventing King and calling her Queen, like you did with Griffon and KoD? Just something, anything surprising instead of these "prettier 14" trailers that offer nothing new.







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"Re(1):Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Fri 12 Mar 01:38post reply

Yuri is whatevs, but the background is great. Not only is the Pao Pao Cafe one of the few tiki bars left, but they are playing host to the Mudman Musical Revue!

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Whatever team she's in, SNK, please don't add the clothing damage to her this time. We're long past the days where humiliating women was acceptable.


One would hope, but there are times it takes repeated attempts before SNK learns a lesson.





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"Re(2):Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Fri 12 Mar 02:29post reply

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Yuri is whatevs, but the background is great. Not only is the Pao Pao Cafe one of the few tiki bars left, but they are playing host to the Mudman Musical Revue!



I like the new/returning Pao Pao Cafe stage!
Yuri looks good, but after all these years she is still wearing the same outfit.
At least I didn't notice any new details, but who knows, probably tomorrow they'll announce something like that she has a new color for her underwear and the outsoles of her shoes.







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"Re(1):Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Fri 12 Mar 11:36post reply

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Whatever team she's in, SNK, please don't add the clothing damage to her this time.
But the better approach is for everyone's clothing to be destructible! Soul Calibur VI, in its endearingly oafish way, is right on the money with this with its fully inclusive cheesecake. You can protect the pervy tradition and spread it to a wider audience.

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"Re(2):Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Fri 12 Mar 19:41post reply

- Shatter all expectations
- Yuri is in the new KOF

Sorry SNK, you can only have one of those things.
Also, is it the Tekken guy doing the voice over of these trailers? There is a distinct "GET READY FOR THE NEXT BATTLE" tone to them.





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"Re(3):Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Sat 13 Mar 14:46:post reply

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But the better approach is for everyone's clothing to be destructible! Soul Calibur VI, in its endearingly oafish way, is right on the money with this with its fully inclusive cheesecake. You can protect the pervy tradition and spread it to a wider audience.


Strongly Agreed! To this day, I still find it unfortunate that SNK didn't have the courage and made Wyler from Art Of Fighting 3 the only character that didn't follow the series tradition. (Reason: He was more skimpy than Mai Shiranui)


quote:
Also, is it the Tekken guy doing the voice over of these trailers? There is a distinct "GET READY FOR THE NEXT BATTLE" tone to them.


It's by an Australian narrator/voicer in Japan named Mark Okita. He has a unique way of talking that's hard to miss in either languages!

He's worked on a number of past SNK titles, probably with KOF:MI being the most iconic since you had to hear it every match. It's not the Tekken guy as far as I know, although the resemblence can be understandable when he's on low keys.





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"Re(4):Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Sun 14 Mar 08:58:post reply

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- Shatter all expectations
- Yuri is in the new KOF

Sorry SNK, you can only have one of those things.


To be fair, some expectations aren't worth shattering. In Yuri's case, well, she's one of the most popular fighters in the entire KOF franchise, so if SNK removed her from XV, they'd have to add her later as DLC anyway. And then the fanbase would accuse them of being greedy for not putting her on the game from the very beginning.

quote:
Strongly Agreed! To this day, I still find it unfortunate that SNK didn't have the courage and made Wyler from Art Of Fighting 3 the only character that didn't follow the series tradition. (Reason: He was more skimpy than Mai Shiranui)



I suppose one can say Wyler technically does suffer clothing damage - except in his case, it happens before the fight, rather than after.

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EDIT: now, you know what would really shatter my expectations? The return of the USA Team.

It's kinda sad that they're only in two games of the entire franchise as playable fighters (one of them being a dream match). And to be honest, I think Heavy D and Lucky are pretty cool character designs... Brian, not so much, but KOF could always use more big brawlers.





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"Re(4):Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Mon 15 Mar 02:53post reply

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But the better approach is for everyone's clothing to be destructible! Soul Calibur VI, in its endearingly oafish way, is right on the money with this with its fully inclusive cheesecake. You can protect the pervy tradition and spread it to a wider audience.

Strongly Agreed! To this day, I still find it unfortunate that SNK didn't have the courage and made Wyler from Art Of Fighting 3 the only character that didn't follow the series tradition. (Reason: He was more skimpy than Mai Shiranui)

This White Day you can get the usual sweets for your sweetheart or you can show up in exploding pants and give her a sight she will always remember.







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"Re(5):Kocchi kocchi!" , posted Mon 15 Mar 05:31post reply

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This White Day you can get the usual sweets for your sweetheart or you can show up in exploding pants and give her a sight she will always remember.

The themes are coming together! Mitsurugi is way ahead on the cheesecake equality train, with the most explosive pants in all of Soul Calibur 6. Seung Mina is a close second, of course, but still. Who knew that Namco's least profitable series would be the one to show SNK the way to the future?!





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"BUSTER WOLF!" , posted Thu 18 Mar 13:41post reply

My boy Terry is looking lit!

I like how his extended trailer showed even more gameplay footage, in the guise of a news broadcast. Superb job, SNK!





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"Re(1):BUSTER WOLF!" , posted Thu 18 Mar 19:58post reply

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My boy Terry is looking lit!

I like how his extended trailer showed even more gameplay footage, in the guise of a news broadcast. Superb job, SNK!



Terry looks nice, but it's curious that SNK put him back into the FF clothes while Joe and Andy have new uniforms.

Anyway, now that the FF is complete, next week's trailer will likely be from one of Yuri's teammates in XV. And, thanks to her often moving from the AOF Team to the Women Team and vice-versa, we won't know until then whether we should expect Ryo/Robert or King/Mai...





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"Re(2):BUSTER WOLF!" , posted Fri 19 Mar 00:14post reply

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Terry looks nice, but it's curious that SNK put him back into the FF clothes while Joe and Andy have new uniforms.



Many people on Internet speculated that SNK would use his classic costume as it's more recognizable after his inclusion in both Smash and FEXL dressed like that.
Also, his costume in XIV was (IMHO) really terrible, I hoped too for a more classic look.

Amazing that "citation" of the poster/artwork of the first Fatal Fury! Every little detail like that shows how much the people who work on this game know and love this franchise.







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"Re(3):BUSTER WOLF!" , posted Fri 19 Mar 03:16post reply

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Also, his costume in XIV was (IMHO) really terrible, I hoped too for a more classic look.

Terry's XIV costume did not work at all. The stitching on Terry's jacket made it look like thousands of ants were crawling all over him. Sometimes a clean, simple look is better.

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Amazing that "citation" of the poster/artwork of the first Fatal Fury! Every little detail like that shows how much the people who work on this game know and love this franchise.

Nice catch! I didn't notice that one.





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"Re(2):BUSTER WOLF!" , posted Fri 19 Mar 04:07post reply

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Anyway, now that the FF is complete, next week's trailer will likely be from one of Yuri's teammates in XV. And, thanks to her often moving from the AOF Team to the Women Team and vice-versa, we won't know until then whether we should expect Ryo/Robert or King/Mai...



I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Mai will be next. SNK will want to get another waifu out of the way. But then again, we must shatter all expectations!





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"Re(3):BUSTER WOLF!" , posted Fri 19 Mar 06:29post reply

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Anyway, now that the FF is complete, next week's trailer will likely be from one of Yuri's teammates in XV. And, thanks to her often moving from the AOF Team to the Women Team and vice-versa, we won't know until then whether we should expect Ryo/Robert or King/Mai...


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Mai will be next. SNK will want to get another waifu out of the way. But then again, we must shatter all expectations!



Sadly for me, my expectations got shatter only once. And that is team Benimaru. Still waiting for another......





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"SS Question" , posted Thu 25 Mar 01:47post reply

Just curious, has anyone tried the latest update to SS? I'm curious as to how the guard crush mechanic is implemented. None of the Samurai games have had that system before... probably because they didn't need it. Does guard crush change anything about the way the game plays? Or is it one of those things that was added simply for the sake of adding something?





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Shatter all expectations for tomorrow







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"Re(1):Shatter something" , posted Thu 25 Mar 11:57:post reply

It looks like SNK is indeed putting the band back together, the New Faces Team band that is.

Trailer #11 is Yashiro Nanakase





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"Re(2):Shatter something" , posted Thu 25 Mar 12:46post reply

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Trailer #11 is Yashiro Nanakase



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"Re(3):Shatter something" , posted Thu 25 Mar 23:10post reply

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It looks like SNK is indeed putting the band back together, the New Faces Team band that is.

Trailer #11 is Yashiro Nanakase


Hell yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



Great to see him back!

One thing that confused me back in KOF'97 is that it wasn't clear whether Yashiro, Shermie and Chris were always conscious of their connection to Orochi and that whole story about them being a band was just an act, or if they were unaware until halfway the tournament and suddenly "awakened" - in the second case, it could be argued that they were not really in control of their own actions. I'm curious to find out if XV will explain their situation.

I don't know if SNK Heroines is considered canon, but it was odd to me that Shermie made no reference about Orochi, acted friendly towards everyone - and even the girls who were in '97 like Leona and Athena never mentioned her actions in '97...





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"Re(2):Shatter something" , posted Thu 25 Mar 23:33post reply

While I'm more looking forward to updated Shermie, timeskip Chris would actually be expectation shattering. He could be a rival to Rock Howard (assuming they put him in).







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"Re(3):Shatter something" , posted Fri 26 Mar 05:13post reply

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While I'm more looking forward to updated Shermie, timeskip Chris would actually be expectation shattering. He could be a rival to Rock Howard (assuming they put him in).


If Chris got killed and just revived, he should probably look the same as when he died in 97, though?
Never really liked playing as normal Yashiro, but he looks very good here, I like. I hope Shermie will look good as well without going too much into the kekko kamen thing... Still wondering where Mature and Vice will end up, and also whether the Orochi power version will be an install or a separate character as before (hopefully the later).





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"Re(4):Shatter something" , posted Fri 26 Mar 16:49post reply

We got a glipmse of Chris and Shermie!





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"Re(4):Shatter something" , posted Fri 26 Mar 22:15post reply

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While I'm more looking forward to updated Shermie, timeskip Chris would actually be expectation shattering. He could be a rival to Rock Howard (assuming they put him in).

If Chris got killed and just revived, he should probably look the same as when he died in 97, though?
Never really liked playing as normal Yashiro, but he looks very good here, I like. I hope Shermie will look good as well without going too much into the kekko kamen thing... Still wondering where Mature and Vice will end up, and also whether the Orochi power version will be an install or a separate character as before (hopefully the later).


Vice and Mature will be teamed with the 4th heavenly King most likely. Who it is, only time will tell. Goenitz was the leader of the original kings before but he is dead. It could be Yamazaki or Gaidal as a new character since they are part of the Hakkeshu. Maybe Goenitz may return.





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"Re(5):Shatter something" , posted Fri 26 Mar 23:46:post reply

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Vice and Mature will be teamed with the 4th heavenly King most likely. Who it is, only time will tell. Goenitz was the leader of the original kings before but he is dead. It could be Yamazaki or Gaidal as a new character since they are part of the Hakkeshu. Maybe Goenitz may return.



I'm pretty sure that Goenitz had already been confirmed to be one of the characters that had been restored to life. So it really could be Vice, Mature, and Goenitz.

EDIT: Though it could just be that Goenitz is one of the many possible returners. There are so many, and SNK could just as easily use KOFXIV as an excuse to return everyone, even those not directly referenced or confirmed, but still do it gradually.





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"Re(6):Shatter something" , posted Sat 27 Mar 03:20post reply

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Vice and Mature will be teamed with the 4th heavenly King most likely. Who it is, only time will tell. Goenitz was the leader of the original kings before but he is dead. It could be Yamazaki or Gaidal as a new character since they are part of the Hakkeshu. Maybe Goenitz may return.


I'm pretty sure that Goenitz had already been confirmed to be one of the characters that had been restored to life. So it really could be Vice, Mature, and Goenitz.

EDIT: Though it could just be that Goenitz is one of the many possible returners. There are so many, and SNK could just as easily use KOFXIV as an excuse to return everyone, even those not directly referenced or confirmed, but still do it gradually.


True, but what is making me doubt Goenitz is on Yashiro trailer, it starts of saying leader of the 4 heavenly kings. Or did I saw that on SNK tweet of latest images? Not sure but that kind of threw me off to something new or mysterious coming about since Geonitz was the original leader.





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"Re(2):Shatter something" , posted Sat 27 Mar 05:20post reply

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It looks like SNK is indeed putting the band back together, the New Faces Team band that is.

Trailer #11 is Yashiro Nanakase



Next week should be interesting! SNK might throw us for a loop and reveal somebody from a separate team, much like they did when Joe Higashi was revealed.

It'll be cool if Shermie and Chris return, because not only will they be brought back into the 21st century with new models, they will be brought back into the KOF storyline again. It's very exciting to see what the next few reveals will be!





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"Re(3):Shatter something" , posted Sat 27 Mar 07:39post reply

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It looks like SNK is indeed putting the band back together, the New Faces Team band that is.

Trailer #11 is Yashiro Nanakase


Next week should be interesting! SNK might throw us for a loop and reveal somebody from a separate team, much like they did when Joe Higashi was revealed.

It'll be cool if Shermie and Chris return, because not only will they be brought back into the 21st century with new models, they will be brought back into the KOF storyline again. It's very exciting to see what the next few reveals will be!



True. It could be Chris or Shermie, or Ryo or Robert, or Mai or King... or anyone, really.

As for Goenitz teaming up with Mature and Vice, I thought the two of them hated him (in fact, wasn't that one of the reasons for them to turn on him, besides them eventually starting to like Iori?). Then again, I remember reading that Mature and Vice don't like each other as well (not that they hate each other; more like they don't care about each other), so I guess they're not the kind of people guided by their emotions and the team-up with Goenitz could happen.





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"Re(3):Shatter something" , posted Sat 27 Mar 10:34post reply

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It'll be cool if Shermie and Chris return, because not only will they be brought back into the 21st century with new models, they will be brought back into the KOF storyline again. It's very exciting to see what the next few reveals will be!



Though its status is dubious, Shermie was already brought back for SNK Heroines. While not playable, Yashiro and Chris were also present in her in her ending.

I'd always wondered if the New Faces Team were truly dead anyway. Wasn't the story for New Faces vs Orochi New Faces that they'd split their forms for the tournament? If SNK had ever wanted to run with that idea, then it would have been possible that only the Orochi set sacrificed themselves, while the "normal" set survived...





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"Re(4):Shatter something" , posted Sat 27 Mar 15:40post reply

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It'll be cool if Shermie and Chris return, because not only will they be brought back into the 21st century with new models, they will be brought back into the KOF storyline again. It's very exciting to see what the next few reveals will be!


Though its status is dubious, Shermie was already brought back for SNK Heroines. While not playable, Yashiro and Chris were also present in her in her ending.

I'd always wondered if the New Faces Team were truly dead anyway. Wasn't the story for New Faces vs Orochi New Faces that they'd split their forms for the tournament? If SNK had ever wanted to run with that idea, then it would have been possible that only the Orochi set sacrificed themselves, while the "normal" set survived...



Ah yes, I forget about Shermie's SNK Heroines appearance. Accoding to Oda, the game is canon with the KOF storyline, just set in a dream world.





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"King Shatter something" , posted Thu 1 Apr 11:16:post reply

King Trailer

Ok, something is very mysterious here. Not only do we see a new creepy stage with a creepy theme, all which I like, on second 14 did King just teleported into the stage from another dimension? Is it me, but do you feel she is not the normal King we know yet a demeanor with something in the likes of she is involved is something bad.

Very mysterious.

I am happy with this reveal this week even if it's a reoccurring character.

Edit: I may be wrong, but every main portrait of King from before she has some kind of smile or smirck on her face. This one does not.





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"Re(1):King Shatter something" , posted Thu 1 Apr 18:32post reply

Woof, after the last few interesting reveals, King did shatter my expectations that she would look or sound good...
Oh well.

Interesting that they resurrected her AoF2 background. That's quite a deep cut... I wonder how many stages this game will end up having, they've been showing quite a few already, for a game so far away.





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"Re(2):King Shatter something" , posted Thu 1 Apr 21:59post reply

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Woof, after the last few interesting reveals, King did shatter my expectations that she would look or sound good...
Oh well.

Interesting that they resurrected her AoF2 background. That's quite a deep cut... I wonder how many stages this game will end up having, they've been showing quite a few already, for a game so far away.



Good question. There used to be one stage per team in '94-'96 and XIV (and generic stages in the other games), right? Maybe some characters were introduced in stages that don't belong to them (like Yuri in Pao Pao Cafe, even though that location is more commonly associated to Fatal Fury)?

Anyway, I guess King's reveal indicates Yuri is in the Women Team, right? That is, unless SNK decides to bring back the XI version of the AOF Team (but I don't think most KOF fans would like that)... maybe we'll have the answer next week, if the featured character is Mai or some other lady (Kasumi, Mary, Alice...).





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"Re(2):King Shatter something" , posted Thu 1 Apr 22:59post reply

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Interesting that they resurrected her AoF2 background. That's quite a deep cut... I wonder how many stages this game will end up having, they've been showing quite a few already, for a game so far away.


What, nobody talking about how Terry Rogers and Master Barnes are in the background of that wrestling ring stage?





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"Re(3):King Shatter something" , posted Fri 2 Apr 00:19post reply

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Interesting that they resurrected her AoF2 background. That's quite a deep cut... I wonder how many stages this game will end up having, they've been showing quite a few already, for a game so far away.

What, nobody talking about how Terry Rogers and Master Barnes are in the background of that wrestling ring stage?



This stage was shown in the first trailer like, 2 months ago?
People are speculating a 3 Count Bout character could be in the roster.







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"Re(4):King Shatter something" , posted Fri 2 Apr 01:00post reply

Eh, not feeling that one.

Is there a way to make the characters say less during a match? They don't need to make a declaration every time they move a limb. Instead of watching those combos all I could think about was how King was muttering to herself the entire time.

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"Re(2):King Shatter something" , posted Fri 2 Apr 01:21post reply

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Woof, after the last few interesting reveals, King did shatter my expectations that she would look or sound good...
Oh well.

Interesting that they resurrected her AoF2 background. That's quite a deep cut... I wonder how many stages this game will end up having, they've been showing quite a few already, for a game so far away.



I am hoping for at least 15 stages. I have liked all so far except for the Pao Pao Cafe stage. I really loved XIII's stages like the England, Egypt, India and France stages.







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"Re(1):King Shatter something" , posted Fri 2 Apr 04:47post reply

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King Trailer


The only remotely shattering thing about that trailer was Harumi Ikoma still reprising the role. When even mainstays like Kyo, Terry and Mai get their VAs replaced, you have to wonder how she manages to stay on. Is she just immaculate for the role, like the actress who plays Saber from Fate?

Otherwise, the rest of the trailer was underwhelming, even more so by the lack of actual effects to accompany the moves aside from the necessary projectile. Then again, if they didn't animate the projectile we could have seen an invisible Venom Strike, which would create a possible canon of her learning from Takuma and getting one step closer to the Sakazaki household.

Dammit SNK, how are you making me come up with all these expectation-shattering revelations by not shattering expectations at all?







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"Re(2):King Shatter something" , posted Fri 2 Apr 07:51post reply

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The only remotely shattering thing about that trailer was Harumi Ikoma still reprising the role. When even mainstays like Kyo, Terry and Mai get their VAs replaced, you have to wonder how she manages to stay on. Is she just immaculate for the role, like the actress who plays Saber from Fate?



Perhaps SNK felt bad about taking away all her other roles over the last few years, and decided to leave her one.

She lost Blue Mary in 2016 (Sarah Bridcutt took over starting with KOFXIV), Nakoruru in 2016 (Mai Nakahara took over starting with Granblue Fantasy and KOFXIV), and Charlotte in 2018 (Afumi Hashi took over with KOF:All Star)







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"Re(3):King Shatter something" , posted Fri 2 Apr 08:06post reply

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Perhaps SNK felt bad about taking away all her other roles over the last few years, and decided to leave her one.

She lost Blue Mary in 2016 (Sarah Bridcutt took over starting with KOFXIV), Nakoruru in 2016 (Mai Nakahara took over starting with Granblue Fantasy and KOFXIV), and Charlotte in 2018 (Afumi Hashi took over with KOF:All Star)



Wow, that explains everything. All this time I never knew she was the voice of Nakoruru. That truly is some impressive range.

They should really honor her by bringing Sinclair and Charlotte into KOF as a team with an original sword wielder as the leader. That would liven up this roster a bit.





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"Re(4):King Shatter something" , posted Fri 2 Apr 12:19post reply

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This stage was shown in the first trailer like, 2 months ago?
People are speculating a 3 Count Bout character could be in the roster.


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"Re(4):King Shatter something" , posted Fri 2 Apr 15:47post reply

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They should really honor her by bringing Sinclair and Charlotte into KOF as a team with an original sword wielder as the leader. That would liven up this roster a bit.



There is Foxy too, she is not dead, right?





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They should really honor her by bringing Sinclair and Charlotte into KOF as a team with an original sword wielder as the leader. That would liven up this roster a bit.


There is Foxy too, she is not dead, right?



Well, she was stabbed in the back (literally) in 2001 and wasn't shown ever since, but if I remember correctly, SNK said she actually survived.

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Well, I suppose many of you already saw it, but Mai got her official trailer. And for the most part, it didn't shatter expectations - after all, she was already shown in the very first trailer for KOF XV.

What did kinda shatter expectations in her trailer is that it doesn't present her, King and Yuri as a team, which means at least one of them won't be in the Women Team. Yuri is the safest choice, probably being in the AOF Team, but who knows... there have been past instances where both King and Mai have also left the team to join other teams.

And it does bring the question: who will be the third member, after all? Nakoruru (now that she's an official KOF character, and possibly SNK's most famous female character after Mai)? Mary? Kasumi? Not Alice, I hope...





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"Re(1):Nippon ichi!" , posted Fri 9 Apr 01:14post reply

Nice to see Mai is not only looking better than KoF14 she's looking better than she did in her teaser intro. Having proper lighting and a top that fits properly does wonders.

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And it does bring the question: who will be the third member, after all? Nakoruru (now that she's an official KOF character, and possibly SNK's most famous female character after Mai)? Mary? Kasumi? Not Alice, I hope...


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"Re(2):Nippon ichi!" , posted Fri 9 Apr 01:33post reply

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Nice to see Mai is not only looking better than KoF14 she's looking better than she did in her teaser intro. Having proper lighting and a top that fits properly does wonders.

And it does bring the question: who will be the third member, after all? Nakoruru (now that she's an official KOF character, and possibly SNK's most famous female character after Mai)? Mary? Kasumi? Not Alice, I hope...

It's going to be Sylvie Paula Paula.



Now that would shatter some expectations.





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"Re(1):Nippon ichi!" , posted Fri 9 Apr 03:21post reply

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who will be the third member, after all? Nakoruru
I hadn't thought of it, but Mai and Nakoruru together would be a great team of ACTUAL SNK heroines.
I wonder if there's anyone that could join them, though... No offense to Blue Mary or King or Yuri, but they're a bit below the caliber of these two.
Mayyyyyyyyybe Fio ??? She never was as popular as either of them, but she would represent the only non-fighting game SNK franchise that's still alive?
Or maybe it'll be Jeanne Ryoko from World Heroes, with Jubei Yamada's moveset. Who knows.

.... our expectations will probably end up shattered next week when they'll announce "sorry, we forgot the end card. The team really is Yuri/King/Mai".





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"Re(2):Nippon ichi!" , posted Fri 9 Apr 03:43post reply

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who will be the third member, after all? Nakoruru I hadn't thought of it, but Mai and Nakoruru together would be a great team of ACTUAL SNK heroines.
I wonder if there's anyone that could join them, though... No offense to Blue Mary or King or Yuri, but they're a bit below the caliber of these two.
Mayyyyyyyyybe Fio ??? She never was as popular as either of them, but she would represent the only non-fighting game SNK franchise that's still alive?
Or maybe it'll be Jeanne Ryoko from World Heroes, with Jubei Yamada's moveset. Who knows.

.... our expectations will probably end up shattered next week when they'll announce "sorry, we forgot the end card. The team really is Yuri/King/Mai".



Athena, maybe? She's kind of a very well-known character, and if I'm not mistaken, she's actually the only female character in KOF who appears in all games.

Maybe my perception is wrong, but I always saw Mai, Nakoruru, Athena and Yuri as the four main women in SNK fighting games, with Leona and King following behind. I also consider Mai quite undeserving of the recognition she has, but that's another matter.





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"Re(3):Nippon ichi!" , posted Fri 9 Apr 05:34post reply

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who will be the third member, after all? Nakoruru I hadn't thought of it, but Mai and Nakoruru together would be a great team of ACTUAL SNK heroines.
I wonder if there's anyone that could join them, though... No offense to Blue Mary or King or Yuri, but they're a bit below the caliber of these two.
Mayyyyyyyyybe Fio ??? She never was as popular as either of them, but she would represent the only non-fighting game SNK franchise that's still alive?
Or maybe it'll be Jeanne Ryoko from World Heroes, with Jubei Yamada's moveset. Who knows.

.... our expectations will probably end up shattered next week when they'll announce "sorry, we forgot the end card. The team really is Yuri/King/Mai".


Athena, maybe? She's kind of a very well-known character, and if I'm not mistaken, she's actually the only female character in KOF who appears in all games.

Maybe my perception is wrong, but I always saw Mai, Nakoruru, Athena and Yuri as the four main women in SNK fighting games, with Leona and King following behind. I also consider Mai quite undeserving of the recognition she has, but that's another matter.



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"Re(2):Nippon ichi!" , posted Sat 10 Apr 04:38post reply

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Nice to see Mai is not only looking better than KoF14 she's looking better than she did in her teaser intro. Having proper lighting and a top that fits properly does wonders.

And it does bring the question: who will be the third member, after all? Nakoruru (now that she's an official KOF character, and possibly SNK's most famous female character after Mai)? Mary? Kasumi? Not Alice, I hope...

It's going to be Sylvie Paula Paula.



I like me some Sylvie Paula Paula. She's one of my favorites to use.

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"Re(3):Nippon ichi!" , posted Sat 10 Apr 04:48post reply

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Nice to see Mai is not only looking better than KoF14 she's looking better than she did in her teaser intro. Having proper lighting and a top that fits properly does wonders.

And it does bring the question: who will be the third member, after all? Nakoruru (now that she's an official KOF character, and possibly SNK's most famous female character after Mai)? Mary? Kasumi? Not Alice, I hope...

It's going to be Sylvie Paula Paula.


I like me some Sylvie Paula Paula. She's one of my favorites to use.

And Mai<Chun-Li everyday of the week.



Fixed it for you.





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"Re(4):Nippon ichi!" , posted Sat 10 Apr 06:48post reply

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And Mai<Chun-Li everyday of the week.
Fixed it for you.

OH UH here comes the most important of all game rivalries since the days of the Cafe's founding except maybe Tifa vs. Aerith

I'm honestly not sure how MMC would come down on this, but I do know that a re-release of Capcom vs. SNK 2 to settle this can't come fast enough.





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"Re(5):Nippon ichi!" , posted Sat 10 Apr 07:36post reply

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I'm honestly not sure how MMC would come down on this, but I do know that a re-release of Capcom vs. SNK 2 to settle this can't come fast enough.

It unfortunately didn't help that both were kinda boring in CvS2. Blanka and Joe were the real heroins of this game. And in the NGP game, Akari was much more fun than these two.

We don't talk about SvC Chaos.

Actually, what versions of these two would you think are the most interesting? I feel Chun-li is in a really good place now in 5. She has plenty of unique stuff without being bonkers like in 3rd Strike. The MvC3 version was also really fun to watch.
As for Mai... I haven't played her in every KOF, but I often find her rather uninteresting compared to her RB2 self. Maybe KOF's rich universal systems make her feel less unique compared to, I don't know, Choi or Kula? Or maybe I haven't played her in the KOF where she's at her best.





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"Re(5):Nippon ichi!" , posted Sat 10 Apr 08:48:post reply

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And Mai<Chun-Li everyday of the week.
Fixed it for you.
OH UH here comes the most important of all game rivalries since the days of the Cafe's founding except maybe Tifa vs. Aerith

I'm honestly not sure how MMC would come down on this, but I do know that a re-release of Capcom vs. SNK 2 to settle this can't come fast enough.



Oh dear, that second picture...

This will be lost for anyone unfamiliar with reality shows in Brazil, but there's been an iconic confrontation between two women in one of them where... well... physical aggressions were forbidden, so their battle was pretty much like in that illustration.

Really. In case anyone doubts this happened (or just enjoys watching people lowering themselves and acting completely trashy in national television), click here and skip to 4:30. You're welcome (or please forgive me; I don't know what would be the appropriate expression in this case).





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"Re(6):Nippon ichi!" , posted Sat 10 Apr 10:53post reply

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And Mai<Chun-Li everyday of the week.
Fixed it for you.
OH UH here comes the most important of all game rivalries since the days of the Cafe's founding except maybe Tifa vs. Aerith

I'm honestly not sure how MMC would come down on this, but I do know that a re-release of Capcom vs. SNK 2 to settle this can't come fast enough.


Oh dear, that second picture...

This will be lost for anyone unfamiliar with reality shows in Brazil, but there's been an iconic confrontation between two women in one of them where... well... physical aggressions were forbidden, so their battle was pretty much like in that illustration.

Really. In case anyone doubts this happened (or just enjoys watching people lowering themselves and acting completely trashy in national television), click here and skip to 4:30. You're welcome (or please forgive me; I don't know what would be the appropriate expression in this case).



Funny, all so common. Are you from Brazil Just A Person?

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"Re(6):Nippon ichi!" , posted Sat 10 Apr 17:03post reply

Do you think that Mai's cow costume will be back in KOFXV?





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Funny, all so common. Are you from Brazil Just A Person?


Yes, I am. Which isn't a good thing right now, with the pandemic situation in Brazil and the borderline criminal way our president is conducting the situation, encouraging people to use medication that scientifical articles not only proved that don't work but can also bring serious collateral effects, refusing to adopt measures that can make people stay safe at home, doing almost no effort to buy vaccines and using his speeches to make people afraid of the vaccines (my mother, who I always considered a very intelligent person, was determined for a while not to take the vaccine, "thanks" to his speeches - fortunately she changed her mind now) and throwing all the blame for the hundreds of thousands of deaths onto anyone but himself. It's scary and frustrating, especially considering that many people in Brazil still believe in everything he says, no matter how blatant his lies can be.

...Sorry, I know this is not the right topic to talk about this. It's just that it doesn't feel great to be Brazilian right now (for the record, I love my country; it's this whole situation that I hate).

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Do you think that Mai's cow costume will be back in KOFXV?



That... would be nice. Not just for Mai, but all the SNK Heroines - if Street Fighter and Tekken can give their characters fanservice-y costumes every now and then, why can't KOF do the same, right?





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"Re(8):Nippon ichi!" , posted Sun 11 Apr 00:55:post reply

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click here and skip to 4:30. You're welcome (or please forgive me
"Art imitating life imitating (Akiman) art!?" This is about as classy as Laura's "bonita" outfit, so needless to say, it's a reminder that Akiman and Kinu really ought to be given more chances to draw Laura. Maybe it will take everyone's mind off of the awfulness of Brazilian government right now, with my sympathies.
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Do you think that Mai's cow costume will be back in KOFXV?
Even as someone who knows nothing about playing KOF, a heavy costume focus makes sense to me since KOF these days is clearly pretty dependent on nostalgia as opposed to enticing new people with fancy graphics, and if that's the case, it should be less work on a technical level to produce said costumes, too.

Now that I've made the requisite SNK-related comment, I can talk about Chun Li without going to jail and answer Iggy's comment! Yes, I think SFV Chun Li is actually one of the best: she has an acceptable mix of charges and quarter circles (the hadouken motion variant for hyakuretsukyaku is a great joy), her V-trigger's double-hits feel delicious, and she's nearly as beautiful as in SFIII and moves similarly. Most interesting version of Mai? I'll leave that to the people who actually belong in this thread!





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"Re(5):Nippon ichi!" , posted Sun 11 Apr 01:48post reply

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And Mai<Chun-Li everyday of the week.
Fixed it for you.
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