RANDOM GAMES #39: Diorama Edition - http://www.mmcafe.com/ Forums


Original message (4298 Views )


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"RANDOM GAMES #39: Diorama Edition" , posted Sat 23 Jan 05:43post reply

Previous thread: >>RANDOM GAMES #38

Our threads have been very specific lately, but in the tradition of vagueness and not-quite-that-important news, we are ditching the endless quarantine theme of the 2020 Random Thread in a hopeful gesture, and replacing it with talk about dioramas. So: how about this new Sakaguchi Hironobu game Fantasian that appears to be made entirely out of actual diorams? I wish it weren't on Apple Arcade, but in terms of obscure console choices in Japan for the fatherof Final Fantasy, I guess this beats the...Xbox 360?!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

Replies:


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Farewell to USGamer" , posted Mon 1 Feb 15:49post reply

The venerable games site and 1up.com successor USGamer is closing down. That really sucks! It was a very MMC-relevant site given its long-form writing and older staff (including some 1990s Gaming Intelligence Agency alum) with a retro games bent that the original Retronaut Jeremy “toasty frog” Parrish set in motion while he was there.

The reason, as ever, is the evolving (declining) state of media in a social media hell age, so I guess it means we will get our news from twitter PR, occasional odd newspaper columns, or hired carnival barkers charitably called “influencers,” so I guess that sets us back to...pre-1990, really?!

Once again, the Cafe stands high as all the old internet has fallen away, but I wasn’t particularly hoping we’d be victors by default.





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Ungenesis
551th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: entropytempts
XBL: ungenesis9
Wii: SW-3287-7029-8309(Switch)
STM: ungenesis
CFN: ungenesis
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(1):Farewell to USGamer" , posted Tue 2 Feb 10:05post reply

Their "big sister" site, Eurogamer, is still alive and well. It's not the same, but surely better than nothing.





"Hai ... Shindekudasai?"


Switch: SW-3287-7029-8309


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Farewell to USGamer" , posted Tue 2 Feb 11:37post reply

quote:
Once again, the Cafe stands high as all the old internet has fallen away, but I wasn’t particularly hoping we’d be victors by default.


Nobody wants to win through disqualification. I want to destroy our enemies and sit upon a throne of their skulls! Wait, that's not the right attitude...

Too bad USGamer has gone into the great beyond. It's nice to think that the internet is large enough to provide space for anything, such as the more unique approach of USGamer. However, time and again I've been proven wrong.







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Farewell to USGamer" , posted Tue 2 Feb 16:26post reply

quote:
Once again, the Cafe stands high as all the old internet has fallen away, but I wasn’t particularly hoping we’d be victors by default.

Nobody wants to win through disqualification. I want to destroy our enemies and sit upon a throne of their skulls! Wait, that's not the right attitude...

Too bad USGamer has gone into the great beyond. It's nice to think that the internet is large enough to provide space for anything, such as the more unique approach of USGamer. However, time and again I've been proven wrong.



I think that magazines and highly focused/idiosyncratic publications can still exist, as basically a dozen well-monetizing niche Patreons show. I do think that trying to sell "subscriptions" in a fashion which is crudely translated from print media to internet simply isn't as effective as how Patreons allow idiosyncratic and tailored monetizations which actually allow enthusiastic readers to give MORE money.

One of the things I particularly would like to see is a reduction in need for up-to-the-second news which is often little more than the PR out of the company's own mouth with no insight. I think it'd be tremendously more valuable for what journalists (like, actual journalists!) are in the employ to actually compose thoughtful analysis of particular news things as they pertain to particular topics that that journalist is actively covering. Needing to be driven by clickbait results in the entire content of the publication being diluted by clickbait, when ad impressions is already a largely nonfunctional method of earning revenue for all but the most cosmically large sites.

One of the very important points of basically any game design is "how do you intend to make money from this game". It sounds callous, but it's incredibly important and is something that was absolutely a consideration in the design of iconic classic arcade and console games. Freeware games are also a thing, and they can be wonderful, too! But if you decide that your game is to generate a profit as a means of generating livelihoods, then that has very real implications for the design of your game. People haven't stopped reading regardless of the prevalence of streaming media, and there are now more ways than ever for words to enter people's eyes!

I have previously wondered if "constellation" publications/journalism "channels" are possible, where a bunch of interested journalists form a loose association such that they can gattai their clout much like larger publications of the past. Something more formal than a feed of the twitters you follow, but less formal than a monthly fixed publication.







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P Requiem





"Re(3):Farewell to USGamer" , posted Tue 2 Feb 19:22post reply

quote:
One of the things I particularly would like to see is a reduction in need for up-to-the-second news which is often little more than the PR out of the company's own mouth with no insight. I think it'd be tremendously more valuable for what journalists (like, actual journalists!) are in the employ to actually compose thoughtful analysis of particular news things as they pertain to particular topics that that journalist is actively covering. Needing to be driven by clickbait results in the entire content of the publication being diluted by clickbait, when ad impressions is already a largely nonfunctional method of earning revenue for all but the most cosmically large sites.

The issue with that is that mainstream news site also suffer from this issue.
So the moment someone intend on actually doing journalism appears, like Jason Shreier, they are whisked away to a mainstream news site because of the dearth of actual original content driving visits there.
Ironically, his piece on Cyberpunk 2077 was super dull because he had to cut the most interesting anecdotes so that the casual Bloomberg reader wouldn't be confused, apparently. Though his article on Amazon is much better.

I think the other way is to divert from the news and invested into entertaining original content and personalities. Yahtzee or Brian David Gilbert doing their own weird thing has probably driven a lot more traffic to Polygon's Youtube channel than boring content "so, is the new AAA game any good?". Obviously, the issues there is that you're at the mercy of Youtube for your revenue, which is never a good idea, and also that investing in creative people is a long and expensive process, and you can't expect these people to stay doing their thing forever, as BDG's departure shows. Plus the risk of a milkshake duck is always high, especially in gaming.

That leaves us with... Gamasutra, I guess? Haven't visited there in a while. Is it still good? Is it healthy?







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(4):Farewell to USGamer" , posted Wed 3 Feb 04:15post reply

quote:
that leaves us with... GamaSutra?


After thinking about it a bit more, I do realize that what is interesting to me and other oldsters around here is also often of a particular level of interest: as Iggy mentions with the difference between Bloomberg articles and Kotaku articles by Schrier, different audiences sometimes need to be written for differently, or have a different bent. The business aspect of a cultural thing for a business publication leads to different articles than the cultural aspect of a cultural thing written for a history publication.

Or you could say: kids are all up in Roblox while we're busy trying to divine the future for SNK in light of SNK's history and present.

gamesindustry.biz has some good articles, but as its name suggests, it is very focused on the business side of things. Even if you were to look at their "Development" section, it's still all focused on business.

gamasutra has a lot more of the design and "from the trenches" type articles, but the site's messy and it doesn't do a good job of separating out the strictly informational updates (e.g. "Company A bought Company B") from the ones which contain analysis. There's a "blogs" thing, but the blogs thing has such a huge mash of stuff from such a huge number of people that it feels like it puts a lot of onus on the reader to do the filtering.







user profileedit/delete message
Red Carpet Regular Member+



"Re(5):Farewell to USGamer" , posted Wed 3 Feb 06:05post reply

quote:
After thinking about it a bit more, I do realize that what is interesting to me and other oldsters around here is also often of a particular level of interest: as Iggy mentions with the difference between Bloomberg articles and Kotaku articles by Schrier, different audiences sometimes need to be written for differently, or have a different bent.



From what I've read elsewhere, Bloomberg restricts Schrier's article lengths, which also prevents him from doing the more in-depth features that he did at Kotaku.







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(6):Farewell to USGamer" , posted Thu 4 Feb 06:59post reply

quote:
After thinking about it a bit more, I do realize that what is interesting to me and other oldsters around here is also often of a particular level of interest: as Iggy mentions with the difference between Bloomberg articles and Kotaku articles by Schrier, different audiences sometimes need to be written for differently, or have a different bent.


From what I've read elsewhere, Bloomberg restricts Schrier's article lengths, which also prevents him from doing the more in-depth features that he did at Kotaku.



That also doesn't surprise me, and I think just points out the value of having different editorial interests for different publications imposing different restrictions. There is value in concise overview articles! There's also value in lengthy nitty-gritty articles!

Frankly if I had to run a news-like (as in rogue-like) website, I'd have one entire section of the site cordoned off as the "PR FEED!" which would effectively be run by a bot that just crawls the tweets and PR releases of companies and puts that into its own little div in the website that users can just choose to scroll past or that they can dive into and endlessly scroll in. That way I could have entirely separated "update" pings to the site's feed and readers that they can filter: if they want the "PR FEED" they can, if they just wanted authored content by writers/creators from the site they can, etc. It simply isn't worth someone's time to do "PR release plus extremely minor amount of context that doesn't really meaningfully add to the release" as their job, and I also wouldn't want that element of the news to dilute the higher value updates and search results that come from the work of writers/journos/etc. on the site. I have no idea if that would actually work, but it's the kind of site I myself would be more interested in looking at.







user profileedit/delete message
Star Platinum Carpet- S.P.W. Board Master





"Re(7):Farewell to USGamer" , posted Thu 4 Feb 20:37post reply

quote:
I'd have one entire section of the site cordoned off as the "PR FEED!"
On one hand, I would actually like that. Aggregator sites with PR feeds synthesized in just a few words so you don't even have to click.
Like "New character added to SF5: Dan"
over "Capcom adds major addition to their long-standing legendary Street Fighter Franchise! The new challenger is...[truncated, click to know more!]"

In the end, matome sites are already kinda like that. Just scrolling through Hachima (and ignoring all the dumb gossip about nobodies and all the far-right nonsense) allows to gather at least a few headlines on topics that don't particularly interest me but I'm happy to get some mild updates on.
Though, then, I'm sure "clickbait" is not something that was created for nothing. I'm sure you get more revenue by forcing people to click on links than to simply have the page available so you can simply glance at it without any active engagement.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(8):Farewell to Nobunaga" , posted Fri 19 Feb 04:37post reply

It's been too long since Nobunaga showed up in a game so to make up for that he's not only back but he's apparently been working out and wants to show off his arms.

Stubbs the Zombie is back, and he brought a big, expensive collector's edition with him. Seriously!

Blasphemous and Bloodstained are joining forces to help create Metroidvania Voltron.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Gojira_X
XBL: Gojiraaa
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Gojira
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(9):Farewell to Nobunaga" , posted Fri 19 Feb 07:53post reply

quote:
It's been too long since Nobunaga showed up in a game so to make up for that he's not only back but he's apparently been working out and wants to show off his arms.



It's kind of sad that it's going to focus on Nobunaga but Kosugi isn't Nobunaga anymore. And yet, babyface Mitsuhide is still Hikaru Midorikawa. It's as though Kosugi was actually Nobunaga's beard all along while his true voice had been silent.

It does make me wonder if maybe they'll follow through on the thing they tried to do with the Sanada spinoff, and have young and old versions of every character? If so that could be pretty interesting.







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P Requiem





"Re(9):Farewell to Nobunaga" , posted Fri 19 Feb 08:00post reply

quote:
It's been too long since Nobunaga showed up in a game so to make up for that he's not only back but he's apparently been working out and wants to show off his arms.

After Nioh 2 being all about Stupid Sexy Young Nobunaga, I guess it shows when KT has an idea, they roll with it for a few games... how many games about the 3 Kingdoms have they made, yet?





Lord SNK
497th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Gold Customer


"Seaside Vacation" , posted Mon 22 Feb 21:53post reply

I can't find it, I know we wrote about 13 Sentinels in some thread here somewhere, I don't remember if it was a dedicated thread or not.
By the way, I got the game, I was dubious about the real time/tower defense aspect of the gameplay (a type of game that usually I hate and thought it could be a deal breaker). But I love their games, so I tried, and wow, I am amazed to what they were able to cram in the story, there is literally everything vaguely or tangentially related to sci-fi in there, it's fantastic. Anything else I could write about the story would be a giant spoiler, I think this is a game that must be played with knowing the less possible about the story outside of the 2 or 3 things showed in the trailers.
And that song played in that mission, oh wow, that was E P I C.
I haven't completed the game yet, I'm on the last mission, I don't know if they can surprise me with something even bigger for the ending, but who knows. I had to write this as I can't stop listening to that song. Or I don't want the game to ends. Send help.

I forgot, the gameplay it's funny, not too difficult, upgrades helps a lot, initially you sucks and can't do much with what you get to use, but when you start to update the right things and abuse the system you can annihilate everything (at least at normal difficulty).







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P Requiem





"The lady will see you now" , posted Fri 26 Feb 19:14post reply

Just when we thought the memes around Lady Dimitrescu in Village were dying down, we just found out her Japanese VA is eternally 17 years old. Fitting for a vampire!
Has she ever played such sadistic roles? Is it the first time you can have Inoue Kikuko step on you? Now that's the kind of new barrier I want video games to break!







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):The lady will see you now" , posted Sat 27 Feb 02:15post reply

quote:

Has she ever played such sadistic roles?



She's I-no in Guilty Gear!







user profileedit/delete message
Star Platinum Carpet- S.P.W. Board Master





"Re(2):The lady will see you now" , posted Sat 27 Feb 07:30post reply

quote:

She's I-no in Guilty Gear!

Just when I thought she couldn't be any better than she already is!







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):The lady will see you now" , posted Sun 28 Feb 04:35post reply

quote:
her Japanese VA is eternally 17 years old
Is it the first time you can have Inoue Kikuko step on you?
Has she ever played such sadistic roles?

There have been strong suspicions that Inoue (actual age: 56 (! (!?!!))) will always be a highly dangerous eternal 17-year-old since at least as early as her appearance in the superior Mega CD versions of Lunar as a character who is both a teenage childhood sweetheart and a brainwashed heels-wearing bondage goddess, in which she may or may not step directly on you, but does provide the laser in a steam-powered mobile castle-tank that effectly steps on enemy towns by rolling over them. So I think this is a logical progression!

My most recent outing with her was in Dragon's Crown, where I'm pretty sure my overpowered Sorceress might have stepped on things, or at least pranced stylishly around the screen in heels while zapping enemies.





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(4):The lady will see you now" , posted Wed 10 Mar 04:30post reply

Recently I tried two games that not only take inspiration from other games but expand upon them in new ways that may or may not work.

First up, is Remnant: From the Ashes. That poorly worded, janky title is appropriate for a game that is yet another low budget Dark Souls clone. As you would expect, there are bonfires, healing flasks and a world of decay that resets whenever you save your progress. The difference is that instead of poking monsters to death with medieval weapons you are using firearms. Yes, your character still spends an embarrassing amount of time rolling around on the ground like a modern-day Morph Ball. However, the change in weapons also means getting rid of blocking, backstabbing, riposte and all those other genre staples. In its place you have to blast your way through hordes of enemies before they can swarm you. Right now I'm playing as a cowboy with shamanistic powers who is putting daylight through eldritch horrors with a shotgun. That's a weird hot-pot of ideas but I'm enjoying the mixture.

For the second game I recently realized I was the last person on planet Earth who had not tried Fortnite so I had to do something about that. After running a few matches I can't understand why this game became the biggest thing since the last big thing. I'm not saying that as a grumpy old person complaining about the kids today, I honestly don't know why it was Fortnite that captured the zeitgeist of the times. Is it the art style? Is it the payment plan of free upfront and pay through the nose later (a plan popular with both credit card companies and drug dealers)? There must be thousands of papers and meetings held on why this particular game has gotten all the money.

Am I missing something in the way it plays? When I went into battle royale mode I found the fighting straightforward if simple, and a building mechanic that was obviously designed for a different game. In spite of never having played I still won two of the four games I participated in on the first day. Since I'm not Death that Walks that either means I was either knocking off hyperactive ten year olds who couldn't shoot straight or I was wasn't playing according to the game's meta. Was playing to win the wrong approach? Is Fortnite the modern equivalent to an arcade, where people hang out and occasionally play a game? Is it an absurdist social phenomenon, where you're supposed to dress up like a banana, do dance moves and then all stand around in a circle and shoot each other like it's the finale of a Hong Kong gangster movie? I don't understand Fortnite and I'm not certain it's worth paying $20 to play as a xenomorph to find out.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"NIER-ly time for release" , posted Sat 20 Mar 00:06:post reply

quote:
I'm not certain it's worth paying $20 to play as a xenomorph
Lord SNK's 13 Sentinalful vacation
I meant to say I was really glad to hear this Vanillaware report! The over-familiar setting kept me away, but it sounds like I'm missing out. Also, "Xenomorph" may have sold Fortnite for me! Actually, randomly fooling around seems to be the name of the game in Valheim, so maybe that's what Western games are all about now. Now, I must get back to building my elaborate flower garden in Animal Crossing, so...

MEANWHILE IT IS ALMOST TIME FOR THE NIER REPLICANT REMAKE
I'm typing this listening to the godly intensity of Nier Automata’s fierce battle track Dipolar Nightmare and wondering what veterans of the original Nier are thinking as the remake is approaching. That, and whatever Nier Reincarnation was. You see, I've studiously avoided all post-Nier Automata stage plays, novels, etc. in what is obviously my mental defense mechanism after having finally managed to obtain a fairly happy ending for these poor characters in Ending E after 40 hours of intense mental distress and profound/harrowing brilliance.

I'd be glad to see Replicant become as Automata-like as possible art- and design-wise. I realized that what attracted me to a game like Automata that would otherwise be far too emotionally terrifying was the extravagant gorgeousness of the character designs and music that was already clear on its PR site. I don't remember if Nier Replicant had Yoshida Akihiko on designs, but the PS3 game’s promo art was boring, even more so with the Japanese copies since at least the American one caught your eye for being an early "dad game" by transforming the hero from a brother to a father.

Any experts on what's coming? Is it time to get excited??





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Sat 20 Mar 00:10]

Lord SNK
505th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(1):NIER-ly time for release" , posted Sun 21 Mar 00:36post reply

quote:

Any experts on what's coming? Is it time to get excited??



I'm no expert, but playing Nier/Automata was my lockdown project last year (just after I bought PS3 Nier, they announced the remake, what a luck!).
Everything should be better than the original (smoohter gameplay, moves, etc) but the updated graphics seems to change the "atmosphere" of the original. I'm talking specifically of Kainé, the new look is a bit off. Considering how much she is foul-mouthed in the game, that "soft" looking face/expression with a side of moe is not what I expected.







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):NIER-ly time for release" , posted Sun 21 Mar 07:04post reply

quote:

Any experts on what's coming? Is it time to get excited??


I'm no expert, but playing Nier/Automata was my lockdown project last year (just after I bought PS3 Nier, they announced the remake, what a luck!).
Everything should be better than the original (smoohter gameplay, moves, etc) but the updated graphics seems to change the "atmosphere" of the original. I'm talking specifically of Kainé, the new look is a bit off. Considering how much she is foul-mouthed in the game, that "soft" looking face/expression with a side of moe is not what I expected.



Yeah, I agree. The technology that allows for rounder faces and more flesh-like flesh is nice and all, but I think the inhuman whiteness of Kaine (as opposed to the more albino look she has now) along with the harsh angles of her face that went along with her harsh manner of speaking helped make the character better.

On a similar note, I think the story which Nier tells by being about a father and a daughter works better than it being about a brother and a sister. In particular, a lot of things which Nier does in ignorance when he's the one who has to come across as "knowing better" and "raising a child" I think work much more strongly in a parent/child relationship than in a sibling one where the two are more equal.

In particular, father Nier doesn't have the angle of "well he's just a dumb teenager" to lean on for his approach to things: if anything, the idea that he's lived an entire adult life doing this and he's so hardened in his ways that he just can't do otherwise, I think is much more powerful.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):NIER-ly time for release" , posted Wed 24 Mar 03:28:post reply

quote:
"soft" looking face/expression with a side of moe is not what I expected.

the inhuman whiteness of Kaine (as opposed to the more albino look she has now) along with the harsh angles of her face that went along with her harsh manner of speaking helped make the character better.
Very interesting! I see how the often unintentionally harsh look of 3D faces on PS2/PS3 ended up being a good match; more than moe, her look now mostly matches that of 2A and Automata in general, so I get why they did it.

I remember from the glorious previous Nier thread that some people found Automata to be the first Yoko game that was not simply high-concept and clever, but actually pleasant to play. I guess the original Nier was kind of a grind? Will the new one fix that? 9S’ brief Route B was the only actual repetition that was formally required in all of Automata to see the full story. I'm interested in what people think of the original now.





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Wed 24 Mar 09:16]

Lord SNK
511th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Red Carpet Member



"Neoclassic games" , posted Fri 2 Apr 15:57post reply

PlatinumGames announces again Sol Cresta shooter saying it's not a joke
https://www.siliconera.com/platinumgames-joke-shooter-sol-cresta-is-real/.

I'm not big fan of shooter games, I'm pretty bad at them, but what I like is that they coined the term "Neo Classic Arcade".







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Neoclassic games" , posted Fri 16 Apr 01:19post reply

Speaking of classic - or at least old - Getsu Fuma Den is getting a remake.





Ungenesis
555th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: entropytempts
XBL: ungenesis9
Wii: SW-3287-7029-8309(Switch)
STM: ungenesis
CFN: ungenesis
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(2):Neoclassic games" , posted Sat 17 Apr 08:42post reply

quote:
Speaking of classic - or at least old - Getsu Fuma Den is getting a remake.



Looks great! ... but there's no reason we should have got this before a Castlevania done in the same style. At least there's hope for an engine/asset reuse down the line.





"Hai ... Shindekudasai?"


Switch: SW-3287-7029-8309
Lord SNK
513th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(2):Neoclassic games" , posted Sat 17 Apr 17:28post reply

quote:
Speaking of classic - or at least old - Getsu Fuma Den is getting a remake.



Is it a remake or a sequel?
Looks interesting, but sadly it is only PC(Steam) and Switch, no PSN?







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Random Wednesday" , posted Thu 22 Apr 00:20post reply

Tales of Arise gets a release date because Bamco wants money

Ace Attorney Chronicles announced for Switch/PS4/Steam, Herlock Sholmes renamed for obvious reasons and Phoenix is now half-Japanese because Takumi said "screw your hamburgers"





Lord SNK
517th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(1):Random Wednesday" , posted Thu 22 Apr 00:28:post reply

quote:
Tales of Arise gets a release date because Bamco wants money

Ace Attorney Chronicles announced for Switch/PS4/Steam, Herlock Sholmes renamed for obvious reasons and Phoenix is now half-Japanese because Takumi said "screw your hamburgers"



"Herlock Sholmes"??? That's fantastic :D
So the rumor from earlier was true. Great, finally we can play these two games.
I hope we get also a physical edition.

Edit: At least for Japan, confirmed physical release for Switch and PS4, as preorder are open in some online store. Waiting for other regions.





[this message was edited by Lord SNK on Thu 22 Apr 22:45]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Wuxia Fantasy VI: Chinese RPGs" , posted Sun 25 Apr 00:54post reply

I remember the Cafe was one of the few places in English to talk about then-hard-to-get Korean RPGs like Magna Carta—back in an era where it was hard to get PC games running if not from your region...and long before (I think) the easy ability to switch your PC’s language and region settings, let alone Steam! But meanwhile, I’d been missing out on Chinese RPGs too! Here’s a neat article on Chinese RPGs that are mostly unknown in the US and Japan. I know the Cafe has a some Chinese speakers and lots of wuxia fans, so I wonder if anyone has any favorites from this article?





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...


user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Wuxia Fantasy VI: Chinese RPGs" , posted Tue 27 Apr 01:15post reply

quote:
I remember the Cafe was one of the few places in English to talk about then-hard-to-get Korean RPGs like Magna Carta—back in an era where it was hard to get PC games running if not from your region...and long before (I think) the easy ability to switch your PC’s language and region settings, let alone Steam! But meanwhile, I’d been missing out on Chinese RPGs too! Here’s a neat article on Chinese RPGs that are mostly unknown in the US and Japan. I know the Cafe has a some Chinese speakers and lots of wuxia fans, so I wonder if anyone has any favorites from this article?



One of the failings of the English language is that it doesn't conveniently have a way to distinguish nationality from language without clumsy suffixes. I know the article probably just means to say "Chinese-language RPGs", but it can easily come across as "RPGs from China", and my Taiwanese friends would absolutely take exception to that.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Wuxia Fantasy VI: Chinese-language RPGs" , posted Tue 27 Apr 01:45post reply

Good point! The article actually does a good job in differentiating between mainland China, Taiwan, and (less importantly, especially now, sadly) Hong Kong RPGs. Which are the COOLEST? I'd expect big budgets from Taiwanese ones, but I was frankly impressed by a lot of what I saw in that article!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Neo0r0chiaku
616th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: ShikyohMukuro
XBL: IAMDC1
Wii: n/a
STM: N/A
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Regular Member



"Finally.....a true G Darius HD" , posted Tue 25 May 23:38:post reply

Anyone else was able to grab the new G Darius HD game under the Darius Cosmic Revelations collection?

I have never played the game and was finally excited to get a good port of the game. A huge Darius fan and I think the wait paid off. I love how they cleaned the game to make it look polished and kept the sharp edges of the PS graphics which, for this type of game, it's a very good thing.

It's similar to what the Kronos Emulator does for Saturn games. It makes those games ever so beautiful to look at and play, especially with fixing those mesh into actual true transparency.

Back to G Darius HD, can't say much but it's very playable and challenging. I love it. Trying to beat it with one credit only and it's coming along fine.

They say it's harder then Darius Gaiden but I think it's not. It's shorter for sure then Gaiden, but not as difficult as one may seem. But then again, only made it to top path 4th stage so will see how it plays out in other paths.





Long Live I AM!

[this message was edited by Neo0r0chiaku on Tue 25 May 23:39]

Lord SNK
525th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Red Carpet Member



"Taito too!" , posted Sat 5 Jun 02:36post reply

Another mini arcade cabinet will be released soon!
I don't know what games will be on board, but I find very clever the screen rotation trick.

What is this? The 3rd or 4th mini cabinet thing?
There was the Neo Geo Mini, another one from Sega, and probably some other ones I forgot.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Taito too!" , posted Sat 5 Jun 22:49post reply

quote:
Another mini arcade cabinet will be released soon!
I don't know what games will be on board, but I find very clever the screen rotation trick.

What is this? The 3rd or 4th mini cabinet thing?
There was the Neo Geo Mini, another one from Sega, and probably some other ones I forgot.


Are these itty-bitty mini cabs popular? I've never tried one, but the ads make them look like they are designed for gashapon figures rather than human beings. At least the rotating screen and trackball attachments are clever engineering.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"game puzzle archetypes" , posted Mon 14 Jun 04:48post reply

I had a fever dream that Taito had somehow magically absorbed Toaplan so I could have all the greatest arcade spaceshooters in one place, but no such luck. Either way, this little machine is sharp.

Speaking of gaming foundations, I wanted to ask the Cafe luminaries for the origins of a type of recurring puzzle seen in various video games. I happened to be playing a cute little board game called Chickapig where each turn you advance one of your pieces all the way forward/sideways until hitting an obstacle (which you can use a turn to move), ultimately moving towards a goal area. Because everything relates back to SaGa, I realized that the earliest version of this mechanic I know of is in 1993's RomaSaGa 2 in the frozen Nazelle Strait, but I'm certain this puzzle type must be older than video games and widely used, just the way versions of ladder game Amidakuji appear in Estpolis/Lufia II and the archetypal Soukoban/Warehouse Box Mover format has been in everything from puzzle RPGs to Nier Automata, and surely comes from an earlier physical block game.

Does the slide-completely-till-hitting-a-block mechanic seem familiar to anyone pre-SaGa/outside of video games?





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Pencilero

11th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Customer

"Re(2):Taito too!" , posted Mon 14 Jun 15:24post reply

quote:
Are these itty-bitty mini cabs popular? I've never tried one, but the ads make them look like they are designed for gashapon figures rather than human beings. At least the rotating screen and trackball attachments are clever engineering.


I'm always tempted when I see them on sale since they include a video output; but the SNK one offering limited continues was off putting because pushing 50 years of age I'd rather credit burn than "gitgud" in my limited free time.

Maybe at some point I'll cave, but in the meantime I'll throw money at SNK via Steam, or other platforms.

They're certainly attractive given the kawaii aesthetic, compared to the more feasible Arcade 1Up units. The eternal struggle of old man nostalgia, versus fiscal responsibility, and physical space in the house. :b





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Motto Kunio" , posted Tue 15 Jun 05:43post reply

Wayforward announces River City Girls 2 and RCG Zero, the localized version of Kunio-tachi no Banka

Curious to see how they'll handle Banka's ending since they're adding stuff. Hope they don't cop out and say it was all a dream.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Motto Kunio" , posted Tue 15 Jun 12:47:post reply

More Kunio! Always the proper choice.

Meanwhile E3 announcementsblahblahblah but wait what's this? A strange collection (or possible non-collection) of the best Final Fantasy games that throws away the awful sprites from the cell phone versions of FFV and FFVI that are currently the "standard," but still replaces them with things that aren't the original? It's not quite like the Wonderswan or PS1 upgrades of FFI and II since the sprite detail on FFVI is actually worse than the original? How completely weird, and I don't understand why they can't just reproduce the originals like on the SFC Mini or Virtual Console, but I guess anything that banishes the mobile versions is progress?

edit: but I guess none of this is as strange as a Dark Souls-style FFI remake by Team Ninja (!?) with corny tough-guy dialogue, drab DmC (the badly dressed one) clothing choices, and modern ethnically diverse characters (don't worry, I'm sure the US dub will still ram in an accent for the black character like they did with Barett (checks: oh, I see they really did )).





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Tue 15 Jun 13:17]

Pencilero

12th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Customer

"Re(1):Motto Kunio" , posted Tue 15 Jun 15:19post reply

quote:
Wayforward announces River City Girls 2 and RCG Zero, the localized version of Kunio-tachi no Banka

Curious to see how they'll handle Banka's ending since they're adding stuff. Hope they don't cop out and say it was all a dream.



I'm always torn on more Kunio games released in America, because I remember that long ago weekend of renting River City Ransom for the NES and some other game. At that time, RCR was the back-up game, I don't recall what big game we rented that weekend; but what I distinctly remember was not being impressed by the shiny game of the moment. Then popping in RCR and being captivated along with my friend.

We sat there, probably eating pizza and soft drinks while we enjoyed the late weekend during the school week; and enjoyed how we were each able to customize our player character and kick butt cooperatively.

I have such fond memories of that localization, which I'm not sure what the inspiration was from? West Side Story? Happy Days? Either way, I actually prefer the Westernized adaptation of the Kunio games. The Japanese school delinquent aesthetic of more recent releases, while true to the source material just leaves me cold.

So I don't mind if they take liberties with the localization, and I suspect I'm more inclined to enjoy the RCR Girls spin-offs since I don't have chonky greaser bois ingrained deep in my reptilian gamer brain.

Hey, maybe that could be the least popular DLC pack pitch? American street tough DLC? Or the more marketable reversal that would tick off fans would be, American street toughs are the default and Japanese delinquent fashions are the DLC. . . However in the interest of fairness, I'd be willing to pay to appease my nostalgia and not make other suffer. :b

Not to mention the inspired sprite work of RC Girls was much appreciated. So many indie and lower budget games default to the NES / 8-bit aesthetic, it was a relief to see something more 16-bit or arcade in it's presentation. I hope more developers will move beyond the NES / 8-bit cash grab and pick up the torch dropped by the CPS-3 or Dot Pixel styles of sprite work.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Advance Warsssssss...Switch Wars?" , posted Thu 17 Jun 12:33post reply

Woahhhhhh wasn't someone (me?) just talking about how we need another Game Boy Wars entry? The best news of E3 is that the only strategy game you'll ever need, Game Boy Wars Advance 1&2, isgetting a Switch remake. I don't like low-poly but I do like the animated generals and I love this game. Most of all, thank god it's not the shitty "dark" DS version. For some terrifying reason the US site doesn't indicate there's a Japanese version (yet (???)), but I really hope it's not like that weird time when the originals released on GBA in Japan like three years late.

Meanwhile I may be talking about new things but I still have a bounty out for 500 MMC Fun Bucks for anyone who knows the answer:
quote:
I happened to be playing a cute little board game called Chickapig where each turn you advance one of your pieces all the way forward/sideways until hitting an obstacle (which you can use a turn to move), ultimately moving towards a goal area. Because everything relates back to SaGa, I realized that the earliest version of this mechanic I know of is in 1993's RomaSaGa 2 in the frozen Nazelle Strait, but I'm certain this puzzle type must be older than video games and widely used, just the way versions of ladder game Amidakuji appear in Estpolis/Lufia II and the archetypal Soukoban/Warehouse Box Mover format has been in everything from puzzle RPGs to Nier Automata, and surely comes from an earlier physical block game.






人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Buttermonster
XBL: Prepaidpenguin
Wii: WiiU:Buttermonster
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(5):The lady will see you now" , posted Fri 18 Jun 00:40:post reply

quote:
For the second game I recently realized I was the last person on planet Earth who had not tried Fortnite


This became the pandemic game of 2020. The game is dumb and simplistic. But it was something to play with younger relatives and to chat with out of state friends.

Mostly spent time dressed up as a pug and tossing people off mountains





[this message was edited by jUAN on Fri 18 Jun 00:52]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(6):The lady will see you now" , posted Fri 18 Jun 09:53post reply

quote:
This became the pandemic game of 2020. The game is dumb and simplistic. But it was something to play with younger relatives and to chat with out of state friends.


Through no effort of its own Fortnite seems to be one of those games that seems designed to be used as a distraction during conversations. Small wonder it has such a Twitch following.

quote:
Mostly spent time dressed up as a pug and tossing people off mountains


Throwing people off cliffs is my favorite videogame hobby so this almost makes me want to play more Fortnite.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(7):The Juan will see you now" , posted Fri 18 Jun 10:08post reply

quote:
Mostly spent time dressed up as a pug and tossing people off mountains

Throwing people off cliffs is my favorite videogame hobby so this almost makes me want to play more Fortnite.

I definitely looled when I saw Juan's character pull a Heihachi and toss his rival off a cliff...and we were just talking about that in the other thread!

I still think Splatoon is tough to beat for absentminded but fun screwing around with groups.





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Just a Person
2320th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Switch is finally overcome with Despair" , posted Fri 18 Jun 22:40post reply

Danganronpa 1, 2 and V3 are finally being released on Switch (I wonder what took them so long?) - plus the DRV3 bonus game was expanded into a fourth game in the collection.

It's a nice touch that the players don't have to buy all four games, being able to purchase them individually. Still, playing DR1, DR2 and DRV3 in sequence is quite the experience, with some things being quite predictable in one game once you played the previous one(s)... and some things seeming to be predictable, only for a plot twist to come out and catch you completely off-guard.

Now, if only the Zero Escape series could also be ported to Switch (with the 999 remake from the Nonary Games, and the ZTD polished version from the PS4)...





Maybe I'm this person right in front of you... nah probably not though.


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Buttermonster
XBL: Prepaidpenguin
Wii: WiiU:Buttermonster
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(7):The lady will see you now" , posted Fri 25 Jun 01:51post reply

quote:

Through no effort of its own Fortnite



I had access to Fortnite months before they implemented battle royale. The game was alright. The main problem I saw with it is that once you reached a certain level of progress you where met with a pretty heavy paywall/powercreep. At that point you were expected to heavily invest in llama lootboxes. That's when I checked out.

The battle royale implementation really saved them. Maybe a little too well. They had other projects in the work at the time like Paragon, Dauntless, etc. But like Fortnite, they weren't anything amazing.

What I'm trying to say is that someone at Epic went to the Devil's Crossroad and asked for a favor.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"FFIX: the TV" , posted Sat 26 Jun 12:47:post reply

Following in the strange footsteps of other bizarre Final Fantasy animated adaptations like the inexplicably bland FF: Unlimited and the heroic panty-fest that was the FFV OAV, directed by legitimate genius Rintarou yet somehow bearing no resemblance whatsoever to the original game's world or history, now we have a French studio making a show for kids based on the fairly somber FFIX, twenty-one years after the fact?!

Oh well, I guess I've heard of more ill-advised ideas, like, say, FFX-2 or the entirety of the Compilation of FFVII.





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Sat 26 Jun 22:35]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(1): METROID" , posted Mon 28 Jun 16:01post reply

Recently I have dusted off my Wii U (it was never dusty to begin with, but did have to do some cable management to accomodate for my "retro" consoles being plugged on the same TV) and double down getting Metroid Zero Mission, which I am playing for the first time in preparation for Metroid Dread...

...You guys have heard of Metroid Dread, have you? As in, it isn't some stupid rumor on the internet but a real thing like "Final Fantasy VII Remake is happening" sort of thing real? Meanwhile, a lot of people are scratching their heads wondering "What ever happened to Metroid 4?" when everybody seemingly forgot Metroid Fusion existed...

Anyways, I just beat Kraid and good the Speed Booster, which means the most tricky sequence-breaking/speed-running technique is unlocked to me: Shine-sparking. You see, I never really knew about this technique until much later in my life, and I recall having played through Super Metroid without ever once knowing how to pull of this technique, as well as several others trickier ones as many might attest. It was only made known to me by the hidden message one could attain in Metroid Fusion, and ever since then, this game traveral "exploit" is making me appreciate what this series has done with regards to map design, even with the modern likes of titles such as Hollow Knight.

I still have trouble pulling it off, though: Appart from "storing" shine-sparks and then choosing to boost straight up, I'm wondering how I to consistently execute the charge horizontally or diagonally.

quote:
I don't like low-poly but I do like the animated generals and I love this game. Most of all, thank god it's not the shitty "dark" DS version. For some terrifying reason the US site doesn't indicate there's a Japanese version (yet (???)), but I really hope it's not like that weird time when the originals released on GBA in Japan like three years late.


WayForward is apparently responsible for the Advance Wars 1&2 "Reboot Camp" which could explain the lack of a Japanese release date. Some people have been complaining about the animation too because of it...







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2): METROID" , posted Tue 29 Jun 09:34post reply

What do Metroid fans think of Dread? Are people happy with what appears to be an older style Metroid game built using new technology? Or were they hoping for something different? It's been so long since this style of Metroid game came out -or any Metroid game came out- that I wonder how this is being received.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(3): METROID" , posted Tue 29 Jun 21:45post reply

quote:
What do Metroid fans think of Dread? Are people happy with what appears to be an older style Metroid game built using new technology? Or were they hoping for something different? It's been so long since this style of Metroid game came out -or any Metroid game came out- that I wonder how this is being received.


A lot of people are excited, if not ecstatic, that a proper follow- up to Metroid Fusion is being create. There are a still segment of people who put Super Metroid in high regard and that nothing could ever top it (though I believe that segment splintered off with Zero Mission), and theres a segment who definitely appreciates Fusion for what it was trying to do. Then there are a ton of fans who got into the Metroid series thanks to the Metroid Prime games who may not be intimately familiar with the 2D mainline games.

All agree that Other M is perhaps the lowest point, and while it was nice that the remake of Metroid 2, Samus Returns, came out, some still don't give MercurySteam a benefit of the doubt considering what they did to the Castlevania franchise...

Of course, it helps that with Samus Returns and Dread, they are being supervised by Yoshio Sakamoto and the Metroid team themselves.

A good primer (heh) on the Metroid franchise is recommended to understand how it was and where it's going. In fact, I'd dare say Metroid series is kind of like the Metal Gear franchise in that there are cohesive narrative themes in each of the mainline games. I recommend The Geek Critique's Metroid videos as a good introduction for someone who has never gotten into the series, or is just starting out.





Lord SNK
530th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Red Carpet Member



"Steam Deck" , posted Sat 17 Jul 06:16post reply

What do you think about the newly announced Steam Deck?
Will it be a success or a failure??







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P - THE FOOL

"Re(1):Steam Deck" , posted Sat 17 Jul 06:45post reply

quote:
What do you think about the newly announced Steam Deck?
Will it be a success or a failure??

Depends what Valve's criteria for success is.
Is it to convince a new section of people who are too scared of the PC ecosystem to finally open a Steam account? Is it to convince more developers to develop Linux? Is it to gain more independence from Microsoft? Is it to shield themselves from the potential devastating consequences of the Epic vs Apple farce? Is it for some potential future strategy that will allow them to survive when the streaming apocalypse will be upon us?
In any case, the number of units sold won't be very relevant.
The launch also seems to point towards a very little amount of units manufactured, either because they're playing some long game or the other, or because they're facing supply issues like the rest of the industry.

As for the item itself, I'd be all for it if it was possible to obtain one before summer 2022.





Ungenesis
558th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: entropytempts
XBL: ungenesis9
Wii: SW-3287-7029-8309(Switch)
STM: ungenesis
CFN: ungenesis
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(2):Steam Deck" , posted Sat 17 Jul 23:53post reply

With the bulk of my digital game library on Steam this definitely catches my interest. I loved the steam controller for it's utter mastery of config utility, but my biggest complaint was the lack of a d-pad for classic games. simulating it on the left touchpad worked okay ish for simple menu operation in 3d games, but really sucked for precise 2d movement. The controls in the steam deck look a wee bit cramped, but I'm sure it will be tolerable. I'm curious if you can dock it to a tv and bind another controller to it for multiplayer games.





"Hai ... Shindekudasai?"


Switch: SW-3287-7029-8309
Lord SNK
531th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(3):Steam Deck" , posted Sun 18 Jul 16:55post reply

quote:

The launch also seems to point towards a very little amount of units manufactured, either because they're playing some long game or the other, or because they're facing supply issues like the rest of the industry.



I think more the latter, acquiring PC components in this period is complicated.

quote:
I'm curious if you can dock it to a tv and bind another controller to it for multiplayer games.



Positive to both.
The site has also a picture of two people playing Strive with 2 arcade sticks connected by USB.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Googleylmpic Fantasy VI" , posted Fri 23 Jul 22:35post reply

The Tokyo Olympic Committee may be an incompetent disaster and the IOC is still a criminal cartel enforcing exploitative contracts in a pandemic, but at least Google, our other corporate overlords, have produced an impressive early SFC era-style action RPG on their main page to celebrate the games! I was impressed that there are actual cut scenes and music, which already puts it above 90% of crappy indie “pixel” games that look nothing like their supposed inspiration. It’s also definitely better than the legendary Izzie’s Olympic Games, hohoho.

But wait, isn’t the hero really just the cat from Cosmic Phantasy 2?!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Lord SNK
532th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(1):Googleylmpic Fantasy VI" , posted Fri 23 Jul 23:47post reply

quote:
The Tokyo Olympic Committee may be an incompetent disaster and the IOC is still a criminal cartel enforcing exploitative contracts in a pandemic, but at least Google, our other corporate overlords, have produced an impressive early SFC era-style action RPG on their main page to celebrate the games! I was impressed that there are actual cut scenes and music, which already puts it above 90% of crappy indie “pixel” games that look nothing like their supposed inspiration. It’s also definitely better than the legendary Izzie’s Olympic Games, hohoho.

But wait, isn’t the hero really just the cat from Cosmic Phantasy 2?!



The intro was animated by Studio 4°C







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Googleylmpic Fantasy VI" , posted Sat 24 Jul 01:14post reply

That is shockingly elaborate! The animated cut scenes look straight out of a PSX era game. The mini games themselves are sort of jank but that's in keeping with the spirit of a shovelware sports game.







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Googleylmpic Fantasy VI" , posted Sat 24 Jul 04:29post reply

quote:
I was impressed that there are actual cut scenes and music, which already puts it above 90% of crappy indie “pixel” games that look nothing like their supposed inspiration.



I can't believe we've gone from "the cutscenes slow down the pace of the game and there are too many" to "I hate that these games don't have cutscenes!"

I'm sure The Maou-back Machine will be able to find incriminating quotes from Maou supporting these claims!

I will probably find something far more frivolous to complain about once I actually get to playing it haha







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Googleylmpic Fantasy VI" , posted Sat 24 Jul 06:27:post reply

quote:
I'm sure The Maou-back Machine will be able to find incriminating quotes from Maou supporting these claims!
Ha! Going back in time to fight Maou in 600 AD is a major plot point, but unlike Chrono, you will lose! This is because the first RPG I bought and finished was Lunar~Eternal Blue on Mega CD, which featured nearly an hour of cinemas that added enormously to the story and characterization. Ditto for all the great MCD and PCE games. I looled hard at FFVII’s half-assed stuff in comparison. At least they figured it out for wonderful FFVIII.


edit: I beat the Olympic game and 95% of all Steam games must now be delisted in favor of this much better game. From DDR and Olympic Track and Field references to a rare non-Fuurai No Shiren appearance of youkai in video games, it made me feel better about the Olympics than the real thing! Oh, there is also a documentary. Fie on all cut-scene-less games!






人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Sun 25 Jul 02:30]

Pencilero

38th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Rare Customer

"PSO2 New Genesis" , posted Sun 15 Aug 14:57post reply

Anybody playing PSO2 New Genesis?

I'm looking for a team. Still getting my bearings, and having a love/hate relationship. Today I was in the middle of grinding out a Photon Burst and got smacked with a server disconnect, all progress down the drain (at least 45 minutes, probably more). Then I folded laundry and gave it another go - this time my damned controller died in the middle of battle, and I was honestly so frustrated by the previous time loss, the heat today, and a flea infestation I just called it quits.

I've ordered all of the pesticides to beat back these little pests and new medication (very disappointed in the flea treatment I used) so my spicy kitty can get some relief from these tiny jerks. Fortunately tiny house spiders are putting in the work in the meantime.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Ungenesis
561th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: entropytempts
XBL: ungenesis9
Wii: SW-3287-7029-8309(Switch)
STM: ungenesis
CFN: ungenesis
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(1):PSO2 New Genesis" , posted Mon 16 Aug 06:04post reply

quote:
Anybody playing PSO2 New Genesis?



What ship are you on? I'm on ship 2.
I haven't had much time to play anything since I picked up a second job, but I'm on occasionally. Account ID is ungenesis.





"Hai ... Shindekudasai?"


Switch: SW-3287-7029-8309
Pencilero

41th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Rare Customer

"Re(2):PSO2 New Genesis" , posted Wed 18 Aug 14:10post reply

quote:
What ship are you on? I'm on ship 2.
I haven't had much time to play anything since I picked up a second job, but I'm on occasionally. Account ID is ungenesis.


I can relate. We're short staffed at work, and I'm one of the few people without family obligations that tends to get stuck covering open shifts. =_=;

I'm on Ship 4, Ansur. Can we move between ships, or is your character specific to a ship?





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Pencilero

50th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Kunio-kun no Sangokushi dayo: Zeiin Shuugou!" , posted Tue 14 Sep 01:59post reply

quote:
What ship are you on? I'm on ship 2.
I haven't had much time to play anything since I picked up a second job, but I'm on occasionally. Account ID is ungenesis.


Okay, I'm going to have to create a new character on Ship 2 in the near future. :p

I know there's a lot of upset fans of PSO currently with NGS; but not having played a PSO style game since Phantasy Star Portable 2 on the PSP - I'm finding some enjoyment in the routine of the game.

I'm looking forward to the map growing, and additional content being added. It would also be nice if Sega would come up with a solid set of reasons (access to customization items) for players to go premium with the game. As a fan, I want to give Sega my money; but I'm not a gambler - so I'd rather have a season pass with access to customization, rather than enter gacha hell.

Ignoring that, I'll gladly poverty grind to unlock content if they're unwilling to meet my terms. Which given the market, will probably never happen. A steady stream of compulsive gamblers throwing away money in the hopes of "winning" items seems to be a business model. Heck, I'd settle for a Fortnite style option where I can buy characters, or in this case - character customization packs.

In other news. . . Kunio-kun no Sangokushi dayo: Zeiin Shuugou!

I'm excited for this.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Wario and What (Not) to Wear" , posted Fri 24 Sep 08:10:post reply

Like the rest of the English-language Netflix promo sites and top ten lists "gaming press," Polygon has gotten pretty crappy in recent years, but some glorious maniac decided to commission like 20 articles on why Wario is great, and this one with a real fashion consultant grading Wario's outfits is the perfect fit for the Cafe, which has been pretty fabulous since at least 2004.


OH! And speaking of stylish, Bayonetta 3 for Switch!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Fri 24 Sep 08:48]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Wario and What (Not) to Wear" , posted Sat 25 Sep 00:04post reply

In an incredible surprise, ActRaiser is back!

quote:
Like the rest of the English-language Netflix promo sites and top ten lists "gaming press," Polygon has gotten pretty crappy in recent years, but some glorious maniac decided to commission like 20 articles on why Wario is great, and this one with a real fashion consultant grading Wario's outfits is the perfect fit for the Cafe, which has been pretty fabulous since at least 2004.


Finally, some good journalism! The article is appreciated, but I was surprised to find it was only one of dozens of pieces on Wario. Somehow, Wario became the leader of a personality cult over at Polygon.

quote:
OH! And speaking of stylish, Bayonetta 3 for Switch!

Huh, so that's what happened to Scalebound.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: robotchris
XBL: robotchris
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Tailored Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Member





"Re(2):Wario and What (Not) to Wear" , posted Sat 25 Sep 04:18:post reply

quote:
In an incredible surprise, ActRaiser is back!



I'm seriously here for it, and with new tracks (built from the ground up by Yuzo Koshiro, even! Next, give us ActRaiser 2 (but good) remake, you cowards!
quote:

OH! And speaking of stylish, Bayonetta 3 for Switch!
Huh, so that's what happened to Scalebound.


I saw someone's serious (or not) speculation earlier that Bayonetta 3 IS Scalebound.

Hey, and I wouldn't be the karasu you all know and love if I didn't point out that on the also-just-released Castlevania Advance Collection, they've included the game everyone loves to hate but that I mysteriously love, Dracula X for SNES! I also have on good authority that this collection was also assembled by M2 (despite that detail being absent from pretty much all materials for the collection), and includes various lil quality of life improvements as well as actual functioning bestiaries, which is always excellent news.

I won't ever see the Mario movie, so my stake in its casting is pretty light, but it was odd to see that they had cast someone to play Spike in it. No, not Super Mario Spike, Wrecking Crew Spike. Which... I mean, okay? At the very least it was something from the Direct that I was actually shocked by.





You have to carefully reproduce the world of "Castlevania" in the solemn atmosphere.

[this message was edited by karasu on Sat 25 Sep 04:22]

Red Falcon
6327th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: beatolover
XBL: Dead
Wii: Dead
STM: bugrom1067
CFN: rugalbgood
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):Wario and What (Not) to Wear" , posted Sat 25 Sep 10:21:post reply

quote:
Next, give us ActRaiser 2 (but good) remake, you cowards!

Actraiser 2 IS good! They cut the flawed and kinda boring (imo) simulation portion and the action sequences are easily some of the most beautiful and best-executed stuff on the super famicom! For anyone here who has known me for a long time I rank it pretty much equally to Magician Lord. Nothing beats jumping around on stone fragments from an erupting volcano which break up as lightning strikes at you!

Edit: sound track is better than the first game too. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)





[this message was edited by Red Falcon on Sat 25 Sep 10:25]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Sat 25 Sep 23:47post reply

Wow, Actraiser! I missed out back in the day on all those great Quintet games. Veterans, is there anything charming I'd be missing by playing this remake instead of the original? Meanwhile:
quote:
"Once every 100 years, when Christ's power revenue is at its weakest, Count Dracula is resurrected by the power of the prayers of wicked humans game-hating company Konami..."
It occurs to me that they really ought to call this the Un-Dracula X Collection since it's got the low-budget derrivatives of varying quality of Dracula X~Nocturne in the Moonllight and the horrifying SFC version of Dracula X~Rondo of Blood! Each of them is pretty interesting in their own way:

Circle of the Moon felt like Super Mario Land: a launch title that was obviously worse than the mainline original and designed by a different team but still exciting to have portable! Actually, Circle's poor design taught me about Metroidvania balancing subtleties: this one doesn't work because each new ability gets you to exactly ONE new place, meaning a lot of annoying backtracking, rather than the newfound freedom to go lots of new directions like on Playstation.

Concerto of the Midnight Sun/Harmony of Dissonance (aptly renamed for its unlistenable music in the US) is a great case study in boring, slavish imitation, with an inverse castle that does nothing and yet another brainwashed friend to fight. At least you could decorate your private room with chairs and things. (But why?)

Minuet of Dawn/Aria of Sorrow: this is a really, really good game! Imagine if it had a proper budget and Nocturne's baroque music.

As for Dracula XX, I'm always impressed by Karasu's ability to endure the unendurable, but I did give him a fair hearing by chronicling my suffering through another entire playthrough on his behalf! The inclusion of this in the collection (what's the opposite of a "bonus?") will also have the effect of making Rondo's perfection and attention to detail all the sweeter in the next (???) collection.

Plus here's my annual reminder that godly draculalike Rusty is readily available and better than all of these games! Plus my god, the gloriously rocking Mega Drive-like music!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Red Falcon
6328th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: beatolover
XBL: Dead
Wii: Dead
STM: bugrom1067
CFN: rugalbgood
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Sun 26 Sep 00:59:post reply

quote:

Rusty, you say? It is indeed an excellent game!! I'm pleased you like it!

As a side comment, the tempo of that soundtrack listing you upped is wrong, this is the correct tempo.

Edit: for stuff you’d be missing in Actraiser… hmm… softlocking your game because you sealed a demon nest without farming for SP first? Ha ha, I kid, I think that was fixed in the US version back in the day anyway.





[this message was edited by Red Falcon on Sun 26 Sep 01:13]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: robotchris
XBL: robotchris
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Tailored Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Member





"Re(1):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Sun 26 Sep 01:46post reply

quote:
the horrifying SFC version of Dracula X~Rondo of Blood!


How dare.

quote:

Maou's actual good comments about Dracula XX



Ahem. I can't explain my love for Dracula XX any more than other folks can explain their love for lousy junk food they loved as kids. I just think that if not for all the elevation of Rondo of Blood in popular media at a time when importing the game was stupidly expensive, we'd all be looking at Dracula XX as just another middling-tier classic Castlevania. With excellent, excellent music.

quote:

Rusty


quote:

Actraiser 2 IS good



I can address both of these (sort of) at the same time! Both look gorgeous and have great and atmospheric design! Unfortunately the thing that makes me love them a little less is mostly the same: their controls feel not very good to me! Rusty looks and sounds great, but its controls make it hard for me to love. Actraiser 2 is a gorgeous gorgeous game, but there's something... off... about the controls, in particular the jumps. I haven't gone back to play it in years though, so who knows! Maybe I'll give it a try and report back.

As for Actraiser Renaissance, I did the thing and bought it, for better or worse! Too bad I only have like six other games I'm trying to complete right now! My understanding is that it's significantly beefed up from the original, with much more involved levels. So to answer your question Maou, I think you'd prefer the original.





You have to carefully reproduce the world of "Castlevania" in the solemn atmosphere.


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Sun 26 Sep 05:00:post reply

quote:
Rusty, you say? It is indeed an excellent game!!
Holy cow, Rugal, that is awesome! I thought I'd never enounter anyone with a real PC-98, but I should've expected no less from the Cafe's last boss. I'm curious about the music variations since I feel like I've heard several, and even MP3s I own seem faster than in-game (especially the wonderful track when you beat corrupt vampire hunter Brian Gateau). Is there a processor speed setting on the PC-98 series, or a bunch of different sound card options like the X68000?
quote:
if not for all the elevation of Rondo of Blood in popular media at a time when importing the game was stupidly expensive, we'd all be looking at Dracula XX as just another middling-tier classic Castlevania.

Ah, it's time for the biennial friendly Dracula XX duel...have at you! But as Zophar says, "I hold the winning hand, and the time has come to play my trump card!" Because I am a moron, I came to Dracula late, starting with Nocturne, then SFC Dracula ("IV"), then Dracula XX, long before I got a copy of Rondo. My unbiased impression was: "what the hell is this?!" (Non-Lamer Credentials: I have beaten X68000 Dracula, Mario 2/Lost Levels, and Alien Solider without save states.)

I can also address Dracula XX and Rusty at the same time: Rusty may not control as perfectly as some Dracula games, but the environment is still designed for her...the jumps you have to do, the ropes you have to climb, the landscapes you have to traverse. Dracula XX is literally not designed for Richter: the pits are too wide, so you have stand with one foot floating in space, the jump arc doesn't match the geography (see legendarily awful last boss), enemies will hit you on both sides while going up stairs despite your inability to jump away, etc. This was already starting to happen in Akumajou Densetsu/"III" when the later ascending vertical levels no longer match the dumb Belmont jump, unlike the original game where levels are designed with precisely that jump in mind. So for different reasons, I think Dracula XX controls wayyyyy worse than Rusty.

Tell you what: I gave Dracula XX another (undeserved) chance, why don't you try Rusty again and see if control isn't a bit easier if you map it to a controller via JoyToKey?





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Sun 26 Sep 09:06]

Red Falcon
6329th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: beatolover
XBL: Dead
Wii: Dead
STM: bugrom1067
CFN: rugalbgood
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Sun 26 Sep 09:30:post reply

quote:
I can address both of these (sort of) at the same time! Both look gorgeous and have great and atmospheric design! Unfortunately the thing that makes me love them a little less is mostly the same: their controls feel not very good to me! Rusty looks and sounds great, but its controls make it hard for me to love. Actraiser 2 is a gorgeous gorgeous game, but there's something... off... about the controls, in particular the jumps. I haven't gone back to play it in years though, so who knows! Maybe I'll give it a try and report back.


Ah, controls. For me, I’ve always viewed getting used to the peculiarities of the controls as a part of the experience (qv, jumping in makai mura). This reminds me of a discussion I had years ago with a friend who claimed “Astyanax sucks”, specifically citing jumping, to which I responded “you just have to get used to it”. I can beat that game pretty consistently without dying, so we ended up sitting down and going through it.

As for the jumps in Actraiser 2, I bet I know what the problem is… stumbling while landing! It’s one of the aspects of the game you have to get used to, but you pretty much have to dive bomb(press down) for every landing after gliding. 2 is a game I can ALMOST say “I can consistently no death run it”, but there is admittedly a choke point for me (the rematch with the dragon boss in death heim) so I’ll hold off on such a claim.

quote:
Is there a processor speed setting on the PC-98 series, or a bunch of different sound card options like the X68000?

There were just straight up different processors and sound card options, yes; this can cause an issue with some games. EX., better processors make giten megami tensei impossible because the in-game time is connected to processor speed, and the music in genei toshi (a game I highly recommend, btw!!) sounds like a robot farting on the roland cm-64 (I THINK it was cm-64, it’s been a while).
That being said, I think the issue with the different music speeds is simply flawed emulation, which seems to be a common problem with pc98 stuff.
People play it on an emulator, hear the music come out a specific way, assume that’s correct and run with it, not realizing the emulator is not actually doing it quite right because they have no other point of reference.





[this message was edited by Red Falcon on Sun 26 Sep 10:29]



user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P Requiem





"Re(3):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Sun 26 Sep 21:18post reply

To describe Actraiser to someone who never heard of it, I'd say the game was two things: a technical marvel at the time (the most beautiful game on SFC for at least its first year) and a game from a time when it was still normal for developers to try to push the boundaries of genres.

The first point is moot in 2021, of course, but the second point still holds water, in an “archaeology of video-games" kind of sense. The action part is stiff and unbalanced, using difficulty as a way to keep play time longer rather than providing a fair challenge. It could be argued that the Populous part was also added for the same reason: it multiplies exponentially the time needed to beat the game, so from a publisher point of view it was a good choice to keep people from renting/selling the game the day after they bought it.

But it's also a bold choice in 1990. Action games were already ubiquitous and stale, while Populous, released the previous year on PC, had yet to reach consoles and was a very avant-garde choice. The "city-builder" part is passive, relaxing, with very few things to keep track on, and honestly very little opposition. (Also the music of that mode is legendary, but that applies to the entire game).
What the Populous mode provides is some downtime between the frantic action scenes, and the very idea that "downtime" is a good thing, something that many games (and movies) still don't understand. But also, it conveys some actual sense that you are a god. Your interactions with your humans are kind, but distant: they are faceless (no doubt a technical limitation at the time, but that reinforces the idea that you love "humanity", but you don't really care for individual humans as you raze their houses to force them to build better or worship better). It's a game that expresses the idea of godhood better than even Populous and its clones did, and I think only Ôkami matches (albeit in a very different way).

More importantly, the game (again, an ambitious launch game for SFC) tries to be more than "the newest action game", in the way Mario World was "the newest platformer" and F-Zero "the newest racing game". It bends genres, try a combination that was never seen before, and pushed the boundaries of the media. Did it succeed? it's debatable. The two modes barely interact with each other, and each has flaws that could prevent people from enjoying the game even at the time (outside of the Stockholm syndrome of "I used my year's allowance on this game so I'm going to love it to death, god damn it").

Actraiser 2, on the other hand, is the polar opposite. The only trait it shares with 1 is that, like 1, it was the most beautiful game of the console at release.
It is a very good action game (the controls need some time to get used to, but the gliding and landing are novel and interesting ways to interact with the environment). But it is only that. Pure action games were stale in 1990; by 1993, they were even more drab. It could have refined both sides of 1 to try to perfect the formula, or it could have decided that "Actraiser" was a genre-bending series and try to do something entirely different, part shoot'm up part dungeon crawler, for example. Instead, it made the game more "like so many other games". Greater than most other action games, but still a by-the book action game. Ultimately, it's this lack of ambition (driven by American focus groups, should I add) that killed the series.

Imagine if the sequel to Justice Gakuen had been a pure fighting game, with new characters, but no side-mode. You can hate the board game of MoeJus as much as any sane person, but at least that mode tried to do something different for the game (something that could be exported outside of Japan without astronomic localization costs), that remained true to the roots of the previous episode, and expanded the character's individualities in a unique way (something Baines was complaining about KOF in another thread: I know much more about Yurika or Zaki thanks to that mode than I know about Angel, Shen-Wu or Duo Lon in KOF). A JG sequel that would "only" had been a competent fighting game with no extra would be as forgotten as Toshinden or Star Gladiator today, instead of having the small but dedicated fanbase it still has now (some of them even not bisexual!).
Soulblader, probably my favourite Enix game on SFC, is the real Actraiser 2 for me: half Ys-like action game, half city-rebuilder, both sides very easy but with the intricate interactions that Actraiser 1 lacked. That game pushed some of Actraiser's ideas forward better than Actraiser 2 did.

So, the remake.
It's ugly as sin. The best parts of it look like a Saturn game through nostalgia's lens; the worst parts of it look like a Saturn game covered in all the ugly post-processing of Octopath Traveler.
It misses the point of the faceless god interacting with faceless humans by giving those individuality and gacha game-like portraits. It diminishes the godhoodness by making the angel a tutorial-bot that talks to you ALL THE BLOODY TIME. It makes the action part "better" (a low bar) but still not "good" (far worse than Actraiser 2). It develops the Populous part by adding Tower Defence segments to it, which makes it more involved, but also worse (it's still entirely separate from the action scenes, and it adds heroes to add even more individuality to humans, the last thing the game needed). It has trouble to reconcile the idea of a generous god, and of a god that burns down houses because you want to, and narratively makes you into the weird bipolar god of some branches of Christianity.
The design is very informed by mobile gaming: the angel interrupts you at least once per minute to show you something new or give you a new quest or tell you what to do in case you got bored or want to try something off-script. The game has plenty of gauges to fill to level up your heroes.
Also, the avatar you use in action phases inexplicably looks like Leneth from Valkyrie Profile, which I find hugely distracting.
The music still slaps.

tl;dr:
- Play the SFC Actraiser 1 if you feel like discovering a buried part of video game history (or better, watch a let's play).
- Now that Quintet's licences are back on the table, I have 30 bucks saved for the Soulblazer remake, and I don't care if it's as drab and unimaginative as this one.
- Also, THIS.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(4):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Sun 26 Sep 23:34post reply

My thanks to the wonderful post by Iggy describing what made ActRaiser such a remarkable game. No one part of the game was perfect, but the pieces created a pleasing rhythm that was unique at the time and has never been duplicated since.

Iggy also is correct in that ActRaiser created the feeling that you were a benevolent, but distant, deity. It created a sense of responsibility and protection... as well as appealing to megalomaniac impulses. One of the many problems of ActRaiser 2 was the loss of caring for mortals. Without it, you're just another guy in fuzzy underpants hopping around on platforms. If I wanted that, I would go play Rastan.





Red Falcon
6330th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: beatolover
XBL: Dead
Wii: Dead
STM: bugrom1067
CFN: rugalbgood
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(5):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Mon 27 Sep 09:27:post reply

quote:
Without it, you're just another guy in fuzzy underpants hopping around on platforms. If I wanted that, I would go play Rastan.


ひでぶっ!!
I disagree with a lot of the stuff Iggy and you say here (including that the sim mode had a measurable effect on the lasting popularity of Justice Gakuen, when pretty much every FGC person I used to hang with who remember/liked the series never bothered with the bonus stuff. The seishun nikki and board game were cut from the US releases anyway. Maybe it’s a matter of from what fandom angle you’re approaching the game from?)

But this, this is a punch in the gut like no other! In all seriousness I love Rastan Saga too (and Rastan Saga 2, albeit for… reasons, ha ha ha. It’s so ugly and pathetic but still plays decently so I can’t help but have a soft spot for it) but comparing Actraiser 2 to Rastan hurts worse than a pipe to my face.

Also, 64 Okunen Monogatari is great.

Maou, you clearly like solid action games. Give 2 a try!





[this message was edited by Red Falcon on Mon 27 Sep 09:35]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(6):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Mon 27 Sep 10:30:post reply

quote:
comparing Actraiser 2 to Rastan hurts worse than a pipe to my face.
Yahahaha, I feel for Rugal even while having really enjoyed Iggy and Ishmael's comments. I figure between 1 and 2 there exists an Actraiser for everyone, so maybe it's all fine! I'm excited to play 2 for those gorgeous skies that look like you're hanging out with Cefca during the last fight in FFVI, and maybe the original 1 since Japanese reviews on Steam (!!) from veterans and newcomers alike don't like the new tower defense mode and conversations with insignificant humans.

Depending on your perspective on Actraiser 1's city sim, it may either seem like the essential Justice Gakuen side modes, or something that was better cut in 2, but Iggy's metaphor of Justice Gakuen as a case where side stuff is inseperable from a game's identity is right. As someone who can't possibly be considered part of the "FGC" but still plays a lot of fighting games, I guarantee that the love for Justice Gakuen is 90% about its characters and stories, particularly via the lifesim. (I imagine even international fans like it because at least the arcade mode story wasn't cut and the characters are so universally appealing.) I guess what I'm saying is that as a SFIII-disliking philistine, it fills me with such joy every time I remember that in Japan the lifesim sequel Nekketsu Seishun Nikki 2 has outsold every home release of Third Strike ever made.

The real question about Actraiser 1 vs. 2 then becomes: is the city sim like Nekketsu Seishun Nikki, or just Tekken Ball?!?!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Mon 27 Sep 11:25]

Red Falcon
6332th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: beatolover
XBL: Dead
Wii: Dead
STM: bugrom1067
CFN: rugalbgood
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(7):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Mon 27 Sep 12:43:post reply

quote:
comparing Actraiser 2 to Rastan hurts worse than a pipe to my face. Yahahaha, I feel for Rugal even while having really enjoyed Iggy and Ishmael's comments.

Ha ha ha ha, thank you. Believe me, I enjoyed their comments too, but it got me to thinking about where I find enjoyment in a lot of games and how I perceived them at the time as well; I think I’ve realized I value a game “doing something well” more than necessarily “doing something new/different”.
I think for me, trying something new in a game series or genre is neither good nor bad, it just “is”.
I will admit Actraiser tried new stuff by combining a sim and an action game, but I also realize I don’t think it did either genre in a way that particularly impressed me even at the time (the fact I managed to soft-lock myself the first time I ever played Actraiser also probably left a permanent stain on it for me.) There were better action games at the time and as mentioned before, Populous (which did in fact come out before Actraiser in the US, and on the same day as Actraiser in Japan, coincidentally.)

I also had an Amiga and had played Populous previously (and didn’t enjoy it) so I think even at the time I felt the sim aspects were getting in the way of the action parts I actually enjoyed.
As for Actraiser 2, I disagree pretty strongly with the statement action games were passé; they were simply starting to evolve in a different direction; heck, Rockman X3 didn’t even come out until 1995, and this was long before the rise and dominance of the FPS on consoles.
Actraiser 2 is up their with Hagane in terms of well-made super famicom action games in my book, so I say again, a somebody who also loves Rusty (and coincidentally is responsible for the manual scans on Giant Bomb years back, ha ha ha) give it a try!

I will also say I don’t dislike Actraiser 1, I just have… certain issues with it, for the reasons I mentioned before. By the way, Maou, it’s kind of sudden, but is there a way to contact you outside of SFV? I wish to discuss PC98 stuff, if you’re interested.





[this message was edited by Red Falcon on Mon 27 Sep 12:46]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(8):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Mon 27 Sep 13:17:post reply

quote:
somebody who also loves Rusty (and coincidentally is responsible for the manual scans on Giant Bomb years back, ha ha ha)
Ha, it was you! Brilliant work! I shall now do an 8-Way Run sidestep around the topic of my sworn enemy Rockman X3 being anything other than démodé to say instead that I just recruited a longtime Dracula fan who used to work at Capcom to finally play Rusty, and he fell into its marvelous spell instantly. So on that note, since e-mail is more useful than Line for involved thoughts, you can find me at top-secret games-specific address maoujacky at hotmail.com. Feel free to talk about PC-98 here, too, though! Its glorious late Showa/early Heisei fantasy/sci-fi anime aesthetic and righteous action is just the kind of delicacy the Cafe enjoys.

Meanwhile, depending on how this goes, maybe we can build off Iggy's Soulblader references and talk about everyone's favorite Quintet games for a while, all of which I missed! I especially wanted to play Tenchi Souzou/Terranigma back in the day, but a friend was less than impressed with it, and we were moving into PS1 days, so I let it go. Uhhhh Granstream Biography never happened, though. D:





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Mon 27 Sep 13:28]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(10):Eastward" , posted Mon 27 Sep 14:39post reply

I just finished Eastward. You know, that gorgeous pixel-art game that had been in development for 6 years...
I could say right now that the game lives up to most of it's hype as Earthbound-meets-Secret-of-Mana-with-Zelda-puzzles to boot. It does stumble a bit with its pacing, particularly in one of its chapters, but manages to stick the landing towards the end. It has a lot of that quirky charm that many a-RPG post-Undertale have been aiming for, but it has heart and darker moments that reflect more on the MOTHER series.

I will say it has many moving, and particularly BEAUTIFUL moments for a pixel art game that aren't just wasted for charm. There are a fair number of secret areas and swinging John's frying-pan never felt sluggish.

John and Sam are perhaps the best pseudo-father/daughter duo, but a lot of the NPCs, particularly Alva and Isabelle, become just as likable as well.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(8):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Tue 28 Sep 22:13post reply

quote:
Ha ha ha ha, thank you. Believe me, I enjoyed their comments too, but it got me to thinking about where I find enjoyment in a lot of games and how I perceived them at the time as well; I think I’ve realized I value a game “doing something well” more than necessarily “doing something new/different”.
I think for me, trying something new in a game series or genre is neither good nor bad, it just “is”.

Now that I think about it, that is probably the reason I never warmed up to ActRaiser 2. I recently watched a stream of A2 and found it was actually a quality game. But the reason I never warmed up to it was because it was so straightforward in what it wanted to do. Sometimes I appreciate the ambition of a game even if the final product doesn't fully come together.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: robotchris
XBL: robotchris
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Tailored Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Member





"Re(8):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Wed 29 Sep 04:52post reply

quote:
I think I’ve realized I value a game “doing something well” more than necessarily “doing something new/different”.
I think for me, trying something new in a game series or genre is neither good nor bad, it just “is”.



And this gets to the heart of what I was interested in for ActRaiser 2 (and why I would have preferred to get ActRaiser 3 instead of Renaissance): I am the opposite, in which I strongly prefer game companies do something new and different over doing something well, at least as far as new games go. I mean, it's just a matter of opinion; I *like* ActRaiser 2 as a beautiful action platformer, but I don't *love* it.

Honestly though, I think ActRaiser 1 is only remembered because of what it was, when it was, so it's not even as though I find it to be a wildly fun and incredible game. More than anything else, I think the reason I remember it so fondly has mostly to do with its soundtrack, which is still great.

I put aside my stack of in-progress games this past weekend to play some Renaissance, and...

I won't go so far as to say I hate it, but it really highlights the limits of the original and how much could (and couldn't) be done to 'update' it for modern audiences. The music is still great, and there are a few nice set pieces here and there, but the sim portions highlight pretty much every single reason why I don't enjoy sim games these days. In short, I'm delighted that it got made and I don't feel as though I wasted my money, because hey, this might be the means by which we get a rerelease or whatever of the rest of Quintet's back catalogue. I just wish they had built something new from the ground up with ActRaiser as the template.





You have to carefully reproduce the world of "Castlevania" in the solemn atmosphere.


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(9):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Wed 29 Sep 21:55post reply

quote:
I put aside my stack of in-progress games this past weekend to play some Renaissance, and...


Yeesh, it seems the one thing ActRaiser fans agree on is that Renaissance isn't that great. I think I'll wait for a sale or for it to pop up on PlayStation Plus in six months.





Mosquiton
2492th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(4):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Thu 30 Sep 01:15post reply

quote:
To describe Actraiser to someone who never heard of it, I'd say the game was two things: a technical marvel at the time (the most beautiful game on SFC for at least its first year) and a game from a time when it was still normal for developers to try to push the boundaries of genres.

The first point is moot in 2021, of course, but the second point still holds water, in an “archaeology of video-games" kind of sense.


Just want to mention that I appreciate this thoughtful analysis, particularly the points related to games conveying the idea of godhood. I'd be curious to hear you elaborate on Ôkami, as well.





/ / /


user profileedit/delete message
Star Platinum Carpet- S.P.W. Board Master





"Re(5):Akumajou Drac-Actraiser" , posted Thu 30 Sep 02:07post reply

To be clear with what I say: I don't think Actraiser is a forgotten gem that should be heralded as an overlooked masterpiece. It has aged, had flaws already at the time, and without nostalgia it doesn't have much to offer outside of its timeless music, probably one of Kishiro's best works (for a while I thought the town theme was some classical music fallen in the public domain). In a way, Street of Rage 2 is to his body of work what Actraiser 2 is to Actraiser 1 : more focused, better, but less varied and... wait, I forgot where I was going with that comparison.

One of the main points is that Actraiser was an interesting draft, but very lacking and in need of its Street Fighter 2. The fact the remake adds some tower defense and still fails at making the game really work cohesively (actually making it worse) reminds me of a very recent Actraiser clone, Sega's SolSeraph, which stayed too close to the blueprint of Actraiser and was, as a result, not very good.
I still think Actraiser could have been refined, improved, or tried a different path. It's not that the formula doesn't work, it's that it seems some people think "it's good enough as it is" and simply iterate from there.

quote:
Just want to mention that I appreciate this thoughtful analysis, particularly the points related to games conveying the idea of godhood. I'd be curious to hear you elaborate on Ôkami, as well.


Ôkami's way of expressing Amaterasu's divinity is by contrasting the attitude of people who know what you are (the peach nymph, the various gods...), who are extremely emphatic in their reverence to you, and the humans, who at best treat you like a good dog, and at worse like a dog.
Amaterasu, meanwhile, is so above it all that she doesn't really care for either the adoration of the lesser gods, or the bad treatment of the humans. She's not trying to be incognito: she still does everything to save humanity and defeat all the monsters that represent a danger to them, but doesn't care enough to reveal herself to anyone that doesn't see her for what she is. She is so sure of what she is that she doesn't take personally any of the blasphemous things Susanoo says, for example (contrary to many gods' fragile egos in many existing mythologies and religions).
It is contrasted by the delightfully flowery introduction of each god as you meet them. It gives a very strong impression to a player when a gigantic dragon or a terrifying tiger jumps at you, and then bow to you and go into 3 whole windows of text of "Dear holy mother of all, whose merciful light is the most generous present that ravishes the heart of all living creatures, I am in awe that you are condescending to appear in all your glory in front of the meek servant that I am, even though I am undeserving of such an extravagant blessing" before they even start saying anything relevant to the game. And then Amaterasu reacts to the praise as little as she is reacting to the humans calling her a good doggie: she is so above anything else that, to her, there is very little difference between the humans and the lesser gods. Even Ushiwaka, who knows who you are and still disrespects you, merely enrages Issun, while Amaterasu only reacts to his physical attacks to defend herself.

In the end, the only blasphemous character is Issun, whose constant chatter even make Amaterasu lose patience a couple of times and really should have been removed from the remaster my god I hate Issun so much.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(6):Shin Megami Tensei V" , posted Thu 30 Sep 16:03post reply

I wonder what are people's thoughts about this game...more particularly some of the monster designs that have been highlighted over the past few weeks. Something something Kaneko, but it does look respectful towards that lineage while trying to bridge the gap between the mainline games and Persona...which they've been attempting to do for the longest time now.







user profileedit/delete message
Star Platinum Carpet- S.P.W. Board Master





"Re(7):Shin Megami Tensei V" , posted Thu 30 Sep 19:42post reply

quote:
I wonder what are people's thoughts about this game...more particularly some of the monster designs that have been highlighted over the past few weeks. Something something Kaneko, but it does look respectful towards that lineage while trying to bridge the gap between the mainline games and Persona...which they've been attempting to do for the longest time now.


I think so far it looks much, much better than 4 and 4A ever did. Mechanically, they seem to have changed quite a lot of things (single-target buffs and debuffs, strengthening of moves...), and the presentation is (obviously) the best it has ever been.
I really like some of the new designs (The Manananggal and the Loup-Garou are really great designs, and Lahmu is as Megaten as you can get); as well as the choice of old-favourite returning. My only regret is the Angel losing her BSDM attire, but I can understand why, and some of the other redesigns like the Lilim is almost an improvement over her old design so I can't be mad.

So far, my only question is whether to take it on Switch, or wait 1 year to see whether it releases on Steam.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(8):Shin Megami Tensei V" , posted Fri 1 Oct 06:29post reply

quote:
So far, my only question is whether to take it on Switch, or wait 1 year to see whether it releases on Steam.



It definitely would look nice on that OLED though. That and Metroid Dread...

I haven't had a chance to check out Nocturn HD, but from what I've heard, they added voice acting similar to how they did with Soul Hackers and Strange Journey. I guess it won't be long until Atlus modernizes all the mainline SMTs to become "more accessible" to newer audiences. Then there's going to be that debate about difficulty and challenge being part of the original developer's intent (i.e. the "Dark Souls axiom").







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P - IGGY ARI !

"Re(9):Shin Megami Tensei V" , posted Fri 1 Oct 08:28post reply

quote:
So far, my only question is whether to take it on Switch, or wait 1 year to see whether it releases on Steam.


It definitely would look nice on that OLED though. That and Metroid Dread...

I haven't had a chance to check out Nocturn HD, but from what I've heard, they added voice acting similar to how they did with Soul Hackers and Strange Journey. I guess it won't be long until Atlus modernizes all the mainline SMTs to become "more accessible" to newer audiences. Then there's going to be that debate about difficulty and challenge being part of the original developer's intent (i.e. the "Dark Souls axiom").

I personally hated the japanese VA of SMT3. Didn't hear the EN one, but I don't think it can be that bad.
Atlus has added adjustable difficulty levels to most of their games, including SMT4 and 3, so I think the Dark Soul axiom is solved for good,a t least for them.







user profileedit/delete message
Red Carpet Regular Member++



"Re(9):Shin Megami Tensei V" , posted Fri 1 Oct 11:35post reply

quote:
I guess it won't be long until Atlus modernizes all the mainline SMTs to become "more accessible" to newer audiences. Then there's going to be that debate about difficulty and challenge being part of the original developer's intent (i.e. the "Dark Souls axiom").



I tend to bounce back and forth between both sides of such arguments. Accessibility is nice, I don't have the time or patience I use to either, and some games just seem pointlessly difficult. At the same time, some games lose meaning when their difficulty is reduced, while others can be functionally damaged.

But its not like such changes haven't been made in the past, either.

At least some gameplay-related tweaks were made between different platform ports of SMT1. I remember the Western release of Persona 1 greatly reduced encounter rates, and greatly boosted XP rewards to compensate for the much lower number of random battles. I also remember this change meant you could safely spam magic in battle, because you'd be able to naturally regen a fair bit before triggering the next encounter.







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P Requiem





"Re(10):Shin Megami Tensei V" , posted Fri 1 Oct 19:12post reply

quote:
I tend to bounce back and forth between both sides of such arguments. Accessibility is nice, I don't have the time or patience I use to either, and some games just seem pointlessly difficult. At the same time, some games lose meaning when their difficulty is reduced, while others can be functionally damaged.
When the game is engrossing enough that the difficulty is interesting and convinces you to push forward because the game is well made (and also you happen to be in the target demographic), I don't particularly mind. Rather than Dark Souls, I think Sekiro is the best example of a game whose mechanics would be lessens by an easy mode, although I know many people didn't like the game at all.

On the other hand, I'm replaying Harmony of Dissonance right now (in the GBA Castlevania collection) to see whether it really was as bad as I remember it, and lo and behold, it's actually worse? The EN title encapsulate perfectly the terrible soundtrack too.
Because I am too stupid to stop playing it and actually go play something enjoyable, I'm pushing through it as fast as I can, using the rewind feature to breeze through boss fights where I'm under-leveled and too uninterested to learn the patterns.
What I'm saying is: bad games need accessibility features even more than good games.







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Re(10):Shin Megami Tensei V" , posted Sat 2 Oct 11:07post reply

quote:

What I'm saying is: bad games need accessibility features even more than good games.



I recently played through the Final Fantasy 2 pixel remaster, and if you were to think of it as Romancing SaGa Zero you wouldn't be far off. It has received multiple re-issues in which parts of its mechanics have been patched up, and while its ambition remains evident, its music (once freed of the NES soundchip) is wonderful, and its innovations are far-reaching, there's still one thing plainly evident: the game part of it isn't that good.

It's good at occasionally tickling your imagination, the huge lottery of what may happen is fun in the way lotteries are, but before too long your characters cannot be hit by enemies >90% of the time and either kill enemies instantly with physical attacks or can't damage the enemies at all with physical attacks. The encounter rate is very high, the dungeons are full of trap rooms which contain nothing but an encounter and which are impossible for you to tell in advance are trap rooms, and levelling up Esuna so that you can heal actually important status ailments involves parking your team before some slimes and letting them poison you continuously... except you can't do that with level 1 Esuna, because level 1 Esuna can only cure Blind.

Final Fantasy 2 as an adventure has a lot of fascinating ideas, and as a testing ground for new lore in Final Fantasy is exceptional. With an open mind it is an interesting curiosity, but I could not in good faith recommend anybody to play through it without the usage of any of the accessibility/quality of life/making-the-game-part-go-by-faster features. I'd say that all those things together make the game more bearable, and allow you to persist with the adventure for longer.

On the other hand, I think that legendary kusoge are done a disservice with too much accessibility features, because rather than having something fascinating that can be gained access to with the help of modern things that will shield you from the sludge, the entire value/novelty/memorableness of the kusoge is the sludge itself. Once you take that away, you are left with nothing at all!

Dark Souls games I think have an important distinguishing quality with regards to their difficulty, and that comes from the fact that there's a now-gigantic contingent of people who have played many of its games or games like it. What counts as "difficult" for them is very, very different from what counts as difficult for people not used to such games. I think they've done a pretty admirable job of making this many games whose first third or so manages to still be challenging and engaging to experienced players without being absolutely unbearable for newer players!







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Occasional Customer

"Re(3):Re(10):Shin Megami Tensei V" , posted Tue 5 Oct 08:09post reply

I only played ff2 in the gba port, after already having experienced 5,6,4 on this order in snes. I personally really liked how free it is.
FF4 in special is so linear, restricting every path behind a keyitem, vehicle or quest interaction. It felt to me like a bucket of cold water.
On the other hand, you can go pretty much anywhere in FF2, except the room with ultima and the final dungeon/castle with the emperor.
The way skills are build up by what you use the most also is very nice, automatically customizing your char toward what it needs the most in the moment.
But it do create some holes where you can make your chars super broken before even starting the game. You can train some skill combinations till they are unmatched, access late towns/dungeons early and get late equips/magic, trivializing the rest of the game.

About dark souls, i feel the series really shine at teaching players by example. The large majority of enemies are humanoid zombies that drop their whole armor/weapon set, and their AI give a living example of how to use those drops properly. This is further enhanced by npc and human invaders/friendly summons.
The soft/hard caps also almost force people to diversify their status lvl ups, opening up new strategies/combinations.





Pencilero

55th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Even if it is hell, I'm gonna crawl!" , posted Mon 11 Oct 09:22post reply

(Sorry, been listening to waaaay too much Strive OST lately)

This mini documentary made me misty.

Japan's Arcades are DISAPPEARING --- Is it Time to Say Goodbye?

What hurts the most is that I took some small comfort in Japan keeping the coin-op experience alive. Holding the promise of a trip to a foreign land where I could one day be united with the brothers and sisters of my heart (and get bodied repeatedly without mercy). I want to believe the arcade culture will survive, in some small capacity in Japan.

I realize arcades and myself are like Neville in I Am Legend, I need to accept the world has changed.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Even if it is hell, I'm gonna crawl!" , posted Mon 11 Oct 11:08post reply

Thanks for sharing. Seriously odd English narration intonation but a sweet send-off. This makes me really sad! My arcade of choice has always been Mikado (not just because of their annual Justice Gakuen tournament, but…), despite all the smoke, and I imagine that the smaller hobbyist stores like that are going to be easier to sustain in the future, sort of like indie bookstores over large bookstore chains in the US. As the author of the definitive Tokyo arcade guide, it’ll be great to hear Professor’s comments when he’s back.

I recommend another very good documentary, the Lost Arcade, on the final days of New York’s legendary Chinatown Fair arcade. Both of them are focused less around particular games and more around the communities that these places build. It’s always especially nice to see these in English since the connotations of the word are much more negative than in Japanese given the shady or dangerous imagery that built up. But both of these documentaries are useful to show English speakers that’s not the case! Arcades are wonderful places to gather with friends, talk to people, find a community, or practice getting good at something you love!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Red Falcon
6335th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: beatolover
XBL: Dead
Wii: Dead
STM: bugrom1067
CFN: rugalbgood
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Even if it is hell, I'm gonna crawl!" , posted Mon 11 Oct 19:11:post reply

A fair number did not survive the pandemic (the local round one closed) but, speaking from an “arrogant douche” perspective most of the ones that closed sucked anyway. As long as Hey!, Mikado and Zarigani are fine (along with that place in Nakano plaza, does it even have a name?) I’m pretty fine with a lot of them going away. The nearest Taito Station and Club Sega are also still around but they don’t have anything interesting.

Edit: interesting for me. I guess to be fair some people like Mai Mai and whatnot.





[this message was edited by Red Falcon on Mon 11 Oct 19:21]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):Even if it is hell, I'm gonna crawl!" , posted Tue 12 Oct 05:29:post reply

I think Rugal's edit gets at the challenge for arcade operators in deciding their audience and scale. A massive place like Sega Ikeburo Gigo that everyone can enjoy, with multiple floors with everything from classic fighters to legacy games, UFO catchers, and purikura? A smoky collection of mostly competitive games like Mikado for the true believers, a natural Cafe hangout? A small bar filled with very early classics that are fun for people who barely remember anything beyond SFII, Space Invaders, and Pac Man, but have next to nothing for people like us?

I lived in San Francisco around 10 years ago, when SFIV resulted in the unusual phenomenon of not one but two new arcades opening up in the US: the intriguingly named South Town in SF and one whose name I forget in San Mateo where all the actual Japanese companies and food are. The former was small but going for a hardcore audience, and the latter had more of a mix, but both failed. In contrast, this was around the time when the barcade concept was on the rise in the US, and I imagine it still is. There are also country-level issues with urban planning, of course, and whether people happen to be in the area on foot or not.

I still expect more of the Mikado style in Japan to survive...or maybe the fate of casual interest in purikura and UFO catchers will be the ultimate decider for designers.





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Tue 12 Oct 05:39]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(1):Even if it is ZDR, Metroid gonna crawl!" , posted Wed 13 Oct 09:33post reply

I haven't had much fun in a Metroid games since...well...since Zero Mission or Super.

It's amazing how this particular Metroid game, a game that comes very close to topping Super, is made by the same team who did Castlevania: Lords of Shadow and it's sequel, along with the rather cumbersome Mirror of Fate. It's as if they took notes of everything that didn't work on Samus Returns, reworked or refined it, and polished it to a (Spark) shiny finish that even just controlling Samus alone feels like an absolute blast. This is on top of some of the toughest boss and mini-boss fights I've played in a long time (seriously, I've died a lot), along with the much touted EMMI sections that always constantly feel fresh and keep you on your toes.

I also think this is a speedrunner's wet dream what it comes to the numerous ways you you can sequence break and beat bosses if you're skilled enough (Spoiler link!).







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Even if it is ZDR, Metroid gonna crawl!" , posted Fri 15 Oct 00:22:post reply

Wow, that is some high praise for Metroid Dread! It is incomprehensible that it's been made by the hated creators of Lords of Shadow, so I guess this is an uplifting tale of redemption! You know, it's been rumored that anti-game company Konami might actually make some games again based on its horribly wasted catalogue of 16 and 32 bit legends...maybe they will use these guys to make a new Dracula game?

Speaking of outsourcing, it's interesting that Nintendo has farmed out Metroid for so long (starting with Prime, I guess), and that they're doing the same thing with the pretty ugly Game Boy Wars Advance remake coming up. Both titles are way more popular abroad than domestically, so I guess it makes sense.

Ah, this one got lost in the Random flow above:
quote:
I just finished Eastward. You know, that gorgeous pixel-art game that had been in development for 6 years...

I will say it has many moving, and particularly BEAUTIFUL moments for a pixel art game that aren't just wasted for charm.
Interesting! I'm always confused by the proponderance of "retro pixel" RPGs that look more like a Diesel Sweeties comic than any actual classic RPG with their unusual blocky proportions, but this one looks much better. But what's going on with the setting and the miswritten Japanese signage in those photos? Still, this reminds me that we live in an era where a spiritual sequel to the unusual US-made Secret of Evermore is imaginable!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Fri 15 Oct 00:28]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: robotchris
XBL: robotchris
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Tailored Carpet V.I.P- Platinum Member





"Re(3):Even if it is ZDR, Metroid gonna crawl!" , posted Fri 15 Oct 02:12post reply

quote:
Wow, that is some high praise for Metroid Dread! It is incomprehensible that it's been made by the hated creators of Lords of Shadow, so I guess this is an uplifting tale of redemption! You know, it's been rumored that anti-game company Konami might actually make some games again based on its horribly wasted catalogue of 16 and 32 bit legends...maybe they will use these guys to make a new Dracula game?


Nope, nope, nope, after those 3 miserable (little piles of secrets) Castlevania games by those folks, I would sooner see the series languish for a century until Shaft returns to resurrect it. Consider this your official yellow flag warning for suggesting such a thing.

That said, so far so good with the new Metroid, which I've just started on. It's brutal! I've probably died more times than in a whole playthrough of most other Metroids! I'm still not sure it's the game for me! But I think MercuryStream has a much better handle on this series than it did on Castlevania.





You have to carefully reproduce the world of "Castlevania" in the solemn atmosphere.


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Gojira_X
XBL: Gojiraaa
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Gojira
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(4):Even if it is ZDR, Metroid gonna crawl!" , posted Fri 15 Oct 05:26:post reply

I'm a little over an hour into Dread and I will concur that the game feels great. Movement is swift, abilities are simple, and I think one of the things that contributes to it feeling so new is the fact that it's one of the first Metroids I've played that holds back on giving you the morph ball.

Although I feel it does experience a few design failings in terms of communication; the way it tries to convey "there's something hidden here" to the player is extremely subtle and not entirely obvious, which has lead me to backtrack around a lot with no easy way back only to find that the thing I was looking for was a floor I had to shoot at a specific dead end way back at the path I diverged. Shooting the environment in Dread feels very awkward compared to, say, Super Metroid, because instead of holding a button that automatically angles your shot upward or downward, you either hold in a diagonal direction (which feels chaotic because you will be running at the same time) or hold a button and then aim with the awkward and imprecise analog pad. It doesn't feel fun and it doesn't lend itself well to exploration.

Also the lore that the EMMI tracks you from the "noise" you make while nearby seems a bit cheap considering the game presents you with no immediate way to stop making noise. Samus will run and jump with aplomb no matter what you do, and every time she hits the floor or wall a target marker will beat you over the head as if to say "NON NON NON" even though there's nothing you can really do. And after the initial tutorials telling you "hey look the X button is useful in this situation" it basically footnotes this with "oh by the way it's impossible to actually do this" as it gives you no indication when to use it in subsequent encounters, making cheap deaths pretty easy to experience since with the way the map is staggered you can easily walk through a door and run directly into an EMMI (which happened to me several times).

But otherwise I'm enjoying it. I liked Other M after all. I clearly don't know how to find Metroid unenjoyable.

quote:
Eastward

Regarding this game, I have a bit of a personal connection to it. Nothing too deep - I wasn't exactly involved in its development - but the game runs on Moai, which some might remember I had some involvement in developing. And yes, Moai is still around, still free and still being used. What I didn't find out until recently, though, was even though Moai had only been mobile game middleware, Pixpil actually took the Moai source and ported it to the Switch just for Eastward. They could have just gone with a different framework, but they went this route and now we can develop games for the Switch. So that was very cool of them.





[this message was edited by Gojira on Fri 15 Oct 05:39]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Sega returns!" , posted Sun 17 Oct 05:45post reply

Hooray! Following the emotional closing of Sega Ikeburo Gigo game center, they are getting a new place...right across the street?! It opens on October 22. I was honestly expecting a much sadder ending to this story!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Pencilero

61th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Re(1):Sega returns!" , posted Sun 17 Oct 08:46post reply

quote:
Hooray! Following the emotional closing of Sega Ikeburo Gigo game center, they are getting a new place...right across the street?! It opens on October 22. I was honestly expecting a much sadder ending to this story!



Fantastic news. Warms my heart!

The Western barcade meme never really sat well with me, primarily because it was afflicted by the same conditions that ruined the old American arcades - neglect of machine care. There's not enough craft beer, or expensive novelty cocktails to make me tolerate a bad monitor or broken input (joystick switch, or push button switch - easy fix).

Before the Covid-19 pandemic, I found a cozy little time tunnel on weekends locally. A small retro arcade, John Salter's Full Blast Arcade that was well maintained and stocked with games I never saw in local arcades (Capcom Vs. SNK 2, Virtua Fighter 4!) as they went into their final days, followed by a double feature at the drive-in down the road. It was like living in the good old days again.

The arcade moved into a larger space, and the operator obtained a food and liquor license to have snacks and drinks on site for a fun afternoon. Unfortunately it was an early casualty of the Covid-19 lockdowns here.

A trip to Japan is a must once society wrestles the endemic phase of Covid-19 into submission.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Sega returns!" , posted Tue 19 Oct 02:01post reply

quote:
Hooray! Following the emotional closing of Sega Ikeburo Gigo game center, they are getting a new place...right across the street?! It opens on October 22. I was honestly expecting a much sadder ending to this story!


Worldwide attention for moving across the street; their marketing team are brilliant. Still, keeping the last few arcades is always good news.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Sega returns!" , posted Fri 29 Oct 22:05post reply

In inexplicable crossover news, a Shadaloo Speedster is coming to Hot Wheels Unleashed. The car seems nice I guess, but I was hoping it would have burning purple psycho exhaust or cackle like Wakamoto when it jumped off a ramp. Seems like a missed opportunity.





Pencilero

63th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Re(3):Sega returns!" , posted Thu 18 Nov 16:23post reply

quote:
In inexplicable crossover news, a Shadaloo Speedster is coming to Hot Wheels Unleashed. The car seems nice I guess, but I was hoping it would have burning purple psycho exhaust or cackle like Wakamoto when it jumped off a ramp. Seems like a missed opportunity.



I agree they dropped the ball on the flourish (It would be every bit as annoying as Sweet Tooth's laughter in Twisted Metal 2), but I also feel this is more dignified than Fortnite crossovers. :b





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Lord SNK
549th Post



user profileedit/delete message
New Red Carpet Member



"13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Mon 29 Nov 01:00post reply

13 Sentinels Aegis Rim will be released next year for Nintendo Switch!!!





Pencilero

70th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Re(1):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Mon 29 Nov 15:24post reply

quote:
13 Sentinels Aegis Rim will be released next year for Nintendo Switch!!!



If it gets localized, I'll snag it.

Would be nice if they'd find a way to remaster Princess Crown and finally publish an English language version.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
Red Carpet Regular Member++



"Re(2):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Mon 29 Nov 23:24post reply

quote:
Would be nice if they'd find a way to remaster Princess Crown and finally publish an English language version.



While not the same game, maybe they feel Princess Crown was superseded by Odin Sphere, which itself did receive an upgraded remaster.

I'd like the see an upgraded remaster of Dragon's Crown on Switch and/or PC, but I guess they figure that game is too old to port as-is but is not worth the cost and effort of a remaster.





Pencilero

71th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Re(3):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Tue 30 Nov 01:57post reply

quote:
While not the same game, maybe they feel Princess Crown was superseded by Odin Sphere, which itself did receive an upgraded remaster.

I'd like the see an upgraded remaster of Dragon's Crown on Switch and/or PC, but I guess they figure that game is too old to port as-is but is not worth the cost and effort of a remaster.


I wouldn't rule a Dragon's Crown port out. It would be the third time I purchase the game. Which is a general pattern with Vanillaware and myself, ever since discovering Princess Crown on the Saturn, I've made sure to buy nearly all of their Western releases to support that mad genius and his wonderful world visions.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Tue 30 Nov 03:50post reply

quote:
13 Sentinels Aegis Rim will be released next year for Nintendo Switch!!!

Wow, that's great news! I might actually play it this time around, even if I find the setting over-familiar and don't really like non-Escaflowne robots. I seem to recall some Cafers liked it?

...woah, did Princess Crown never actually get released abroad? I thought for sure the PSP version would have been translated.

Meanwhile, since it's Nintentime for Vanillaware now anyway, there are a great many reasons I'd love to see Oboro Muramasa break out of Wii U jail and onto a console I actually own!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...


user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P - IGGY ARI !

"Re(2):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Tue 30 Nov 09:03post reply

quote:
Meanwhile, since it's Nintentime for Vanillaware now anyway, there are a great many reasons I'd love to see Oboro Muramasa break out of Wii U jail and onto a console I actually own!

More than breaking out of the WiiU: it should break out of the freaking PS VITA!!! Remember the game had 4 DLC there, with 4 original scenarios where you played 4 characters that moved and attacked differently from the 2 identical main MC. And no, I never played those so I don't know how good they were, but they were undoubtedly pretty so that's all that matters.
The thing is, there is a chance that 13 Sentinels, Dragon's Crown or the better Odin's Sphere might end up on Switch or PC or Stadia. It will just take them 20 years, the time to drip through VW>Atlus>Sega Japan>Sega who actually knows how to sell games

For Muramasa, the path is VW>Marvelous>???





Pencilero

73th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Re(3):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Wed 1 Dec 03:48post reply

quote:
It will just take them 20 years, the time to drip through VW>Atlus>Sega Japan>Sega who actually knows how to sell games


As a lowly Western Sega fan, I bristle at Sega knowing how to sell games - outside of Japan. If it were up to Sega of America, the port of Dragon's Crown would be switched to Yakuza Crown, or Sonic Crown (replacing the Dragon's Crown cast with Yakuza or Sonic characters) as we have been relegated to these being the only substantive titles Sega releases in the West.

Being a Western Sega fan is probably as close as I'll get to being into a domination and submission relationship. Waiting eight years for PSO2 to be localized, never seeing Border Break localized and being forced to live in a world of bland Western FPS titles and battle royal trash. Maybe Border Break is robot battle royal trash, but I'd like to find out for myself. :(

Right now, I'm wrestling with my willingness to throw Sega some money for Free to Play New Genesis; but finding it difficult to rationalize doing so as I'll only be buying into the sixth ring of Gacha Hell. I'm not opposed to playing dress-up, it's a big appeal of the game; but I'd like more direct purchase for my financial investment options.

Hopefully it gets ironed out. Caving will inevitably happen, because I've paid actual money to play games far, far worse than New Genesis which I'm enjoying the heck out of despite the rabid players being angry over the lack of content.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(2):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Wed 1 Dec 22:07:post reply

quote:
If it gets localized, I'll snag it.


Localization confirmed. Comes out...2 days worldwide before Japan? Guess it helps that the system is becoming a visual novel paradise.

I also second a Muramasa port. That and Odin Sphere and Dragon's Crown.

And while we're speaking about Atlus/Sega, can we finally have Yakuza on Switch, too?

Edit: Correction of days difference. Japan gets it April 14, while Western territories get it April 12.





[this message was edited by sfried on Wed 1 Dec 22:10]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Wed 1 Dec 23:27post reply

quote:
Guess it helps that the system is becoming a visual novel paradise.
Truly. From visual novels to softcore girlie games, if you’d told me 20 years ago that Nintendo would be making the most obvious successor console to the PCE and Saturn, I would never have believed you!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Pencilero

75th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Re(4):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Thu 2 Dec 04:11post reply

quote:
Guess it helps that the system is becoming a visual novel paradise. Truly. From visual novels to softcore girlie games, if you’d told me 20 years ago that Nintendo would be making the most obvious successor console to the PCE and Saturn, I would never have believed you!



At the end of the day, it all came down to Nintendo just being honest about their intentions. :b

Speaking of Switch games - the dumb child part of me that got duped by the Avengers coming on UHF channels at 1AM by the TV guide (Why are Earth's Mightiest Heroes coming on so late I wondered...) resents the modern equivalent - this Crystar is not the Crystar! :p Seriously Marvel, get Nihon Falcom to develop a proper Crystar action RPG with hippy dippy crystal warriors and magma mommies for all six of the Crystar fans still above dirt.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Thu 2 Dec 11:25:post reply

quote:
I also second a Muramasa port. That and Odin Sphere and Dragon's Crown.
While I seldom buy re-releases that aren't full-blown Lunar~SSS style remakes or at least a very high quality remaster like FFVIII, I would happily buy Dragon's Crown again to play with all of you! I'm listening to Ghost Ship Cove B Route, one of the most sublime pieces Sakimoto has ever made, on the stereo right now and recalling our glorious Toxico-led adventures.

As for Sega: I can't speak much about their treatment of Western consumers today, but in comparison to the well-known bad old days under Bernie Stolar and the anti-RPG, anti-RAM cart, self-destructive US Saturn regime, it's pretty interesting that some really Japanese games like Ryuu Ga Gotoku/Yakuza, Judge Eyes, and even Sakura Taisen appear to be getting international releases, and pretty quick ones at that. No idea if these are well-written, but from afar, it actually seems pretty good?





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Thu 2 Dec 11:32]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Family Computers" , posted Fri 10 Dec 03:25post reply

Uemura Masayuki, lead designer of the Famicom and SFC, two of the best and most important consoles (and electronic products!) ever made, has died.

Siliconera’s article does well to note that he came through legendary electronics manufacturer Sharp and was a circuit and semiconductor expert. Imagine if Sharp had made the Famicom instead of the (wonderful but much less important) X68000! Later on, he taught at internationally-facing Ritsumeikan University’s game studies center. That’s a lecture I would’ve taken notes on!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Pencilero

84th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Re(4):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Fri 10 Dec 16:00post reply

quote:
As for Sega: I can't speak much about their treatment of Western consumers today, but in comparison to the well-known bad old days under Bernie Stolar and the anti-RPG, anti-RAM cart, self-destructive US Saturn regime, it's pretty interesting that some really Japanese games like Ryuu Ga Gotoku/Yakuza, Judge Eyes, and even Sakura Taisen appear to be getting international releases, and pretty quick ones at that. No idea if these are well-written, but from afar, it actually seems pretty good?


Barring my theatrics, I attribute it to the adversarial nature fostered in the console days between Sega of Japan and Sega of America. My conspiracy theory is American fans are being "punished" (read: neglected) by Sega.

Delving further into tinfoil hat territory, it's my personal belief that Nagoshi turned himself into Japanese Mickey Rourke and propped up the Yakuza series as complete fealty to the rumored actual Yakuza connections Sega of Japan had during their coin-op / arcades days of the 90's.

Bernie Stolar should thank his lucky stars there's an ocean to protect him from righteous Yakuza retribution. :p





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Kusanagi82
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Regular Member



"Re(3):13 Sentinels switching to Nintendo" , posted Sat 11 Dec 02:16post reply

quote:
If it gets localized, I'll snag it.




It won't happen but I wish it could get some sort of cross-save feature compatible with the PS4 version. Or a way to export the PS4 save. It won't happen but I'd love to continue playing it on Switch instead of the bulky PS5...
This game was made to be portable.





"Those who follow the path of a warrior must be ready to die in order to stand for one's convictions live for one's convictions die for one's convictions"


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Phantasy Star forever" , posted Sun 12 Dec 03:36post reply

The unexpected appearance of Phantasy Star in the classic fighting game thread has more or less inspired me to finally play Phantasy Star IV on my Mega Drive Mini (soon) and made me feel bad again about only getting partway through the PS2 Sega Ages version of II. Meanwhile: the end of an online game world seems like a sad thing, and I was impressed to read that fans basically have their own preserved Phantasy Star Online servers still running, each with its own local variation! That is some Phantasy Star III-style transgenerational heritage from the collapsed home planet and/or multi-generation story branching right there!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Pencilero

86th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Re(1):Phantasy Star forever" , posted Sun 12 Dec 14:51post reply

quote:
The unexpected appearance of Phantasy Star in the classic fighting game thread has more or less inspired me to finally play Phantasy Star IV on my Mega Drive Mini (soon) and made me feel bad again about only getting partway through the PS2 Sega Ages version of II. Meanwhile: the end of an online game world seems like a sad thing, and I was impressed to read that fans basically have their own preserved Phantasy Star Online servers still running, each with its own local variation! That is some Phantasy Star III-style transgenerational heritage from the collapsed home planet and/or multi-generation story branching right there!



I hate to admit that a massive part of my love for Phantasy Star on the Master System (although I played it thanks to Gensis MS convertor) was the first person dungeons.

The original series lost me when they ditched that gimmick, and crushed my love of drawing graph paper dungeon maps. :b

PSO took a lot of coming around to, even in 2001 I had such nostalgia for the Master System game and characters. Plus the designs of the game were so far out compared to the classic anime sci-fi designs of the original. Fortunately it was a one of a kind franchise for me, and I'm still with it to this day; despite the abuse of Sega of Japan neglecting Western audiences.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Just a Person
2362th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(2):Phantasy Star forever" , posted Mon 13 Dec 00:04post reply

quote:
The unexpected appearance of Phantasy Star in the classic fighting game thread has more or less inspired me to finally play Phantasy Star IV on my Mega Drive Mini (soon) and made me feel bad again about only getting partway through the PS2 Sega Ages version of II. Meanwhile: the end of an online game world seems like a sad thing, and I was impressed to read that fans basically have their own preserved Phantasy Star Online servers still running, each with its own local variation! That is some Phantasy Star III-style transgenerational heritage from the collapsed home planet and/or multi-generation story branching right there!


I hate to admit that a massive part of my love for Phantasy Star on the Master System (although I played it thanks to Gensis MS convertor) was the first person dungeons.

The original series lost me when they ditched that gimmick, and crushed my love of drawing graph paper dungeon maps. :b

PSO took a lot of coming around to, even in 2001 I had such nostalgia for the Master System game and characters. Plus the designs of the game were so far out compared to the classic anime sci-fi designs of the original. Fortunately it was a one of a kind franchise for me, and I'm still with it to this day; despite the abuse of Sega of Japan neglecting Western audiences.



It's interesting how PS and PSO belong to the same franchise, yet feel like completely different and unrelated entities.

The first-person dungeons in PSI were really amazing, and it's odd that they were dropped in the later entries. It feels like Sega wasn't sure how to move the series forward in PSII (with most party members randomly appearing at Rolf's HQ barely justifying why they want to join the party - then again, that death scene is one of the strongest moments in the entire saga) and PSIII (whose idea of exploring multiple generations is amazing in theory, but executed in a really shallow way, to the point where even Sega treats it as a side story and PSIV as the true sequel to PSII).

Fortunately, PSIV is amazing. It's a pity that it didn't bring the first-person dungeons back, but it did everything else right, with a fleshed-out story, multiple party members with different skills, the team spells... It was a great way to conclude the original universe.





Maybe I'm this person right in front of you... nah probably not though.


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):Phantasy Star forever" , posted Mon 13 Dec 15:52post reply

Thanks to you guys, I'm having a blast with Phantasy Star IV! PSI and II's adult sensibilities and dramatically directed sci-fi worlds are so cutting-edge in 1987 and 1989 (!!) and blow away the inane nonsense in Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest stories at the time. PSI is remarkable for its early strong female lead in Alisa, and no less so for the large number of female staff on the series. Lots of people know artist/designer/PSIV co-director Kodama Rieko, maybe the coolest lady in video games, but a lot fewer know Aoki Chieko, who directed and wrote PSII! I was shocked to find her role misattributed throughout the English-speaking internet, so I spent the better half of today fixing this.

Even though FFIV, DQIV, and Lunar finally caught up with Sega by 1993 with their own dramatic stories, PSIV still really impresses me with its environmental ruin and fearlessness in doing away with main characters (unlike FFIV's constant fake-outs). And like how I played the second Lunar game first, which also takes place centuries after the original, I'm enjoying all the tales of the past games like some glorious legend. I really like incidental story bits like the optional visit to the crashed spaceship that fled Palma in PSII, and how they generously suggest that even the much-maligned PSIII could somehow fit into the story even though almost no one involved with the series worked on it. Not that they go overboard and confirm the whole thing, since it doesn't fit with the series chronology at all, especially regarding Dark Force who should've been gone by then.

Too bad the field graphics are so weak, but its manga panel cinemas are the most visually impressive RPG direction on MD until Lunar~Eternal Blue's 50 mintues of actual animation on Mega CD in 1994. I can't believe no one else was doing this! The music is half awful and half awesome, but that opening sequence is hot hot hot.

As for those impressive 3D dungeons in PSI, I think that was the very last moment when imitating the influential early American PC RPGs still made sense, even as Dragon Quest was changing the mould. By PSII, I guess their time had passed, and the creators themselves have said that good 3D dungeons on Mega Drive would have taken way too much space and weren't really what they were interested in. I can't think of too many mainline console RPGs with 3D dungeons after this other than Shining and the Darkness!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Red Falcon
6353th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: beatolover
XBL: Dead
Wii: Dead
STM: bugrom1067
CFN: rugalbgood
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(4):Phantasy Star forever" , posted Mon 13 Dec 17:55post reply

Glad you're enjoying it, Maou. The original Phantasy Star series is my favorite RPG series of all time.

quote:
The music is half awful and half awesome

Out of curiosity, what are some of the tracks you dislike?





Pencilero

87th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Re(5):Phantasy Star forever" , posted Tue 14 Dec 03:25post reply

With New Genesis embracing the open world model, I would love to see the other mainstay of Phantasy Star 1 make a return - vehicles!

Even with the multitude of fast travel options in the game, there are sections of the world map which are large enough to facilitate the use of say - hoverboards, or some other sci-fi transports. I do know that hoverboards will be added with premium Retem content; but access to small sci-fi travel methods like hover bikes, or faster means of transport would be fun and welcome.

It would certainly alleviate the anxiety of rushing from far West Central Aelio to far East Central Aelio to participate in a veteran or Gigantix battle.

I'll have to see which PS games are available on the Switch in English. I had always intended to purchase the Sega Ages releases on Playstation 2, but that was a financially unstable period of time for me so I wasn't able to import games as regularly. The archivist in me would appreciate a lovely physical collection in English language for all the games.

Phantasy Star IV is memorable from my Software Etc days, coming in at an astonishing $99 MSRP (for some reason I'm thinking SFA3 on SNES also clocked in at an impressive price). Crazy to look back and realize I was working in the era when we transitioned from sprite to polygon, and the market tumult that was to follow in the players involved.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(5):Phantasy Star forever" , posted Tue 14 Dec 13:24post reply

Hmm, PSIV ends up feeling like Breath of the Wild for me, where the music doesn't quite match the grandeur of the rest of the game. There are definitely some really great tracks: the opening, last boss, and Palma spaceship ruin songs are AWESOME. The overworld and most town themes are good, but then you also have to deal with the usual grungy Mega Drive sound on the weak battle tracks, as well as ear-splittingly awful ten second loops like the town of Tonoe, the suspicion music with the academy head at the beginning, and the unlistenable shop theme. Like, it really makes me not want to go shopping!

I find the instrumentation and composition of many PSIV tracks compare poorly with its 1992-3 peers like FFV, DQV, and Lunar 1, with a towering achievement like FFVI's soundtrack coming out right after. The SFC's superior soundchip isn't an excuse, though: the MD has superb examples like Lunar 2's soundtrack the next year which used only PCM, not streaming CD audio like Lunar 1, and Sonic 1 and 2's soundtracks showed the beauty you can achieve with the right sound programmer.

I still love the game, though.

And wow, $99 in the US! That's even higher than Japan's 8800Y. You really were paying for the size of the cartidge back then...I always delight in reminding people that FFVI cost 11,000Y in 1994 money!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Pencilero

92th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Occasional Customer

"Retem? Damn near killed 'em!" , posted Fri 17 Dec 18:28post reply

The Retem update for New Genesis released this week. While I have yet to venture into the new region, Sega addressing quality of life issues with the game are impressive.

User Interface has been tweaked, e.g. now regions of the map have a glow when selected to indicate the boundaries of the area. There's now a nice audio cue when your Photon Blast has fully charged (I think that's new, or altered). You can set your Mag to ping a variety of items in the world (crates, fruits, vegetables, rare items).

Two new NPC's to issue additional missions while playing are a welcome addition.

Enemy AI is a bit more aggressive. I had a malevolent Daityl Axe follow me out of the Halpha wetlands tonight, which is a problem as my battle power is too low to engage it. Very intimidating and fun in a masochistic manner. I will not lie, I was attempting to lure it to a group of players since nobody was coming to my aid before I was struck down by a laser beam to the back.

Level cap is raised from 20 to 35.

I could swear there are new visual effects as well. I was taken by the beauty of dawn sunlight on a nearby mountain as I engaged a veteran Big Frogga.

Overall, it's a very nice and substantive quality of life supplement.

Sadly, the lock-on system is still very wonky. I hope to draw up a quick diagram of how a line of sight lock-on system should work, as it's highly bothersome when your character locks on to something you are not looking at, or worse - behind you.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Pencilero

100th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(1):Retem? Damn near killed 'em!" , posted Fri 24 Dec 11:54post reply

One week later. . .

The scarcity of new item drops is a rather substantial bummer for me.

A massive new region is nice, but if the drops in the new region are the common potato peelers and spoons of the Aelio region. . . I'm waiting to be impressed. Particularly when I need to raise my Battle Power to participate in Cocoon / Urgent Quest / Battledia missions in said new region.

Additionally the small update this week seems to have exacerbated lock on issues. Enemies now drop lock incredibly easily which stinks because it's such a pain in the butt to lock on to the area you want to attack.

Still overall enjoying the game, but Sega is a harsh mistress. ヽ( `д´*)ノ





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Pencilero

109th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Triumphant return from hentai Hades!" , posted Thu 6 Jan 04:32post reply

Gamers of culture and over a certain age ought to remember one of our founding female protagonists from her iconic anime games.

Valis: The Fantasm Soldier Collection English physical edition pre-orders open January 7

I have fond memories of the Valis series despite not particularly enjoying the quality of the games. It's also good to see the game back in a form that gamers of all ages can appreciate, it's always a shame when iconic franchises get cast down into hentai or pachinko Hell.

In other news - applied for transfer to Ship 2 in PSO2NGS to play with IRL friends instead of internet randos, but I will remember you Galsay, UwU, Muscle Rappy, and NyanPasu. (′︿‵。)





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Ungenesis
565th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: entropytempts
XBL: ungenesis9
Wii: SW-3287-7029-8309(Switch)
STM: ungenesis
CFN: ungenesis
New Red Carpet Member



"Re(1):Triumphant return from hentai Hades!" , posted Thu 6 Jan 06:37post reply

quote:
Gamers of culture and over a certain age ought to remember one of our founding female protagonists from her iconic anime games.

Valis: The Fantasm Soldier Collection English physical edition pre-orders open January 7

I have fond memories of the Valis series despite not particularly enjoying the quality of the games. It's also good to see the game back in a form that gamers of all ages can appreciate, it's always a shame when iconic franchises get cast down into hentai or pachinko Hell.

In other news - applied for transfer to Ship 2 in PSO2NGS to play with IRL friends instead of internet randos, but I will remember you Galsay, UwU, Muscle Rappy, and NyanPasu. (′︿‵。)



I'm on ship 2! Haven't had time to play in months, but maybe I can squeeze some in soon.





"Hai ... Shindekudasai?"


Switch: SW-3287-7029-8309
Pencilero

110th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(2):Triumphant return from hentai Hades!" , posted Thu 6 Jan 10:05post reply

quote:
I'm on ship 2! Haven't had time to play in months, but maybe I can squeeze some in soon.


If you'd like to add me, I go by Pencilero as well in PSO. I tend to play dailies around 10-1PM EST, but when I'm off of work or have free time I tend to go back in to grind out nonsense.

Launched the Fighting Vipers alliance today. Heh heh - gotta represent old Sega favorites.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):Triumphant return from hentai Hades!" , posted Fri 7 Jan 01:44post reply

I like Valis as a concept more than a game but it's nice to see an old series being treated with a modicum of respect and not shilled out for a sleazy attempt at a cash grab.

Speaking of which, choke on some Castlevania NFTs.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Buttermonster
XBL: Prepaidpenguin
Wii: WiiU:Buttermonster
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(4):Triumphant return from hentai Hades!" , posted Fri 7 Jan 07:01post reply

quote:
choke on some Castlevania NFTs.



Here's a lobster resurrection ritual after being rescued from a supermarket





Pencilero

111th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(5):Triumphant return from hentai Hades!" , posted Fri 7 Jan 09:02post reply

Well, time to add NFT to the list of orphaned intellectual property Hell. Alongside pachinko and hentai (nothing against hentai games, I just wish they were good ((read: a fun to play action game))).

How low will this species go?

quote:
Here's a lobster resurrection ritual after being rescued from a supermarket


Heh heh - I stumbled upon this about a week ago, and have enjoyed this series as someone who was always curious about the prospect of saving supermarket lobsters from dinner. Never realized how terrifying a lobsters mouth parts are.

A bit bummed out, I lost my augments and minerals in my PSO2 ship migration. However since I enjoy the game, I'm not stressing over it. I'll just grind more materials out.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(6):Triumphant return from hentai Hades!" , posted Fri 7 Jan 12:20post reply

quote:
nothing against hentai games, I just wish they were good
I mean 18+ sim game Doukyuusei/Classmate on PC-98 from 1992 is arguably just as important for launching the girlfriend sim genre as Tokimeki Memorial on PCE and in some waysHEY WAIT
quote:
Here's a lobster resurrection ritual after being rescued from a supermarket
DID SOMEONE SAY LOBSTER!!
travel with me to the millennium internet





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(7):Kirby's got a gun..." , posted Thu 13 Jan 18:19post reply

Dedede's on the run...

Meanwhile the new Kiki Kai Mystery of the Black Cloak AKA Rocky & Pocky Reshrined is looking better than ever.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(8):Kirby's got a gun..." , posted Fri 14 Jan 01:53post reply

quote:
Dedede's on the run...

Meanwhile the new Kiki Kai Mystery of the Black Cloak AKA Rocky & Pocky Reshrined is looking better than ever.


Kiki Kai is looking great! I keep forgetting that new-ish version is coming out, so I'm always pleasantly surprised when I'm reminded of this game.





Pencilero

112th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(8):Kirby's got a gun..." , posted Fri 14 Jan 02:44post reply

quote:
Meanwhile the new Kiki Kai Mystery of the Black Cloak AKA Rocky & Pocky Reshrined is looking better than ever.



This is among the reasons I enjoy the current state of video gaming. 16-Bit and arcade classics receiving new installments or remasters, English language versions of titles I imported on my Saturn are being released on Switch, and fans are contributing to strengthening the legacy of classic titles by finding ways to get games like CvSNK2 online in addition to commercial releases recognizing better online play only strengthens the product. This may be my favorite gaming generation since the PS2 and PSP petered out, those consoles were held up by the wide and wacky titles available, and for some games (Phantasy Star Portable) the last English language editions we'd see for a decade...

With my PC as the UR-text for games that, if a success, get ported to consoles; and the Switch for a steady stream of Japanese titles - very comfy.

Any idea who the new characters are? I only know Pocky and Rocky from my SNES days. Are these legacy characters? Is that a shrine maiden cat?!





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Neo0r0chiaku
632th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: ShikyohMukuro
XBL: IAMDC1
Wii: n/a
STM: N/A
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Regular Member



"Re(9):Kirby's got a gun..." , posted Sun 30 Jan 14:59post reply

quote:
Meanwhile the new Kiki Kai Mystery of the Black Cloak AKA Rocky & Pocky Reshrined is looking better than ever.


This is among the reasons I enjoy the current state of video gaming. 16-Bit and arcade classics receiving new installments or remasters, English language versions of titles I imported on my Saturn are being released on Switch, and fans are contributing to strengthening the legacy of classic titles by finding ways to get games like CvSNK2 online in addition to commercial releases recognizing better online play only strengthens the product. This may be my favorite gaming generation since the PS2 and PSP petered out, those consoles were held up by the wide and wacky titles available, and for some games (Phantasy Star Portable) the last English language editions we'd see for a decade...

With my PC as the UR-text for games that, if a success, get ported to consoles; and the Switch for a steady stream of Japanese titles - very comfy.

Any idea who the new characters are? I only know Pocky and Rocky from my SNES days. Are these legacy characters? Is that a shrine maiden cat?!



Is this digital release only? Hope I can get it here.





Long Live I AM!
Just a Person
2378th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Thu 10 Feb 08:15post reply

...Did anyone see it coming? Because I didn't.

It seems SquareEnix put quite some work in this remake, which is odd because I don't think there'll be many people interested in buying it. I like LAL's story, the soundtrack and the gimmick of seven different chapters with different gimmicks in each one (more JRPGs should try this)... but unless the battle system is severely improved, this could be a problem for the players and for SquareEnix themselves.

Hopefully Rachel and Alicia won't be as stupid as they were in the original game.





Maybe I'm this person right in front of you... nah probably not though.


user profileedit/delete message
Red Carpet Regular Member++



"Re(1):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Thu 10 Feb 12:18post reply

quote:
It seems SquareEnix put quite some work in this remake, which is odd because I don't think there'll be many people interested in buying it.



At this point, how many older Square RPGs have not been remade or at least ported to at least one modern system?

Live A Live may have achieved remake status halfway by default.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(1):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Thu 10 Feb 12:24post reply

quote:
LIVE A LIVE
!!!

Once again, Just a Person is the premier source of commentary on Live A Live on the English-speaking internet! I've always meant to play it based on your praise, but I sure was not expecting it to get Octopathed!
quote:
At this point, how many older Square RPGs have not been remade or at least ported to at least one modern system?
Tragically many, actually! Rudra No Hihou, Treasure Hunter G, Bahamut Lagoon...even Chrono Trigger has barely any uncompromised ports besides on Wii (and a low-fi DS version piled up with more of rogue scenario writer Katou's fanfic as bonus material does not count)!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...


user profileedit/delete message
Red Carpet Regular Member++



"Re(2):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Thu 10 Feb 13:06post reply

quote:
even Chrono Trigger has barely any uncompromised ports besides on Wii (and a low-fi DS version piled up with more of rogue scenario writer Katou's fanfic as bonus material does not count)!



Ported to PC in 2018.

Chrono Cross is being remastered for the Switch, and it will include Radical Dreamers. Maybe a console port, or even just an emulation of the SNES ROM, will eventually happen for Chrono Trigger as well.

While not quite a "modern console", games like Rudra no Hihou and Bahamut Lagoon were available emulated on the Wii U. If these re-releases keep selling enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of them ported to something within the next year or two.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Thu 10 Feb 13:19post reply

quote:
even Chrono Trigger has barely any uncompromised ports

Ported to PC in 2018.
Hahaha, note the "uncompromised" part, though. With a DS port that "did its best" with the shoddy music and rammed in Katou's dumb Chrono Cross stuff, and a hideous mobile-to-Steam port, I like to imagine that Chrono Trigger has been untouched since 1995. ...Actually, in my Good Future where I travelled back to AD 1996 and destroyed Katou before he could ever start befouling Chrono with Radical Dreamers, it has indeed remained untouched!

But wow, you're right, I totally forgot that Rudra, Bahamut, and even Treasure Hunter G (!!) made it to Wii or Wii U (what's that). What a wonderful thing Virtual Console was.





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...
Pencilero

129th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(4):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Thu 10 Feb 15:58post reply

Nice.

More Klonoa, even if just ports is welcome. Much like Street Fighter 2, it's a game I'll buy and buy again...

Kirby looks super cute and fun.

Mario Strikers looked neat. Getting some sort of Arch Rivals vibes off of it. Big fan of hybrid sport games, so the combat and customization is welcome. BEWARE TANK TOAD! :B

I'm intrigued by Splatoon; but have never jumped in. I'm trash at gun aiming games, but Splatoon seemed like a good concession in that it accommodates people like myself who aren't interested in fighting a game pad to shoot an enemy, and instead focuses on just dominating space with inaccurate aiming.

Really enjoying the Switch.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(5):Crossing the Chronos" , posted Thu 10 Feb 20:46post reply

I heard...Cross is a bad Trigger sequel, but a great game on it's own terms.

Because from what I understand, they basically kill off the entire original cast, or most of them.

Also, no Akira Toriyama, but we have Nobuteru Yuuki instead.





Just a Person
2379th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(6):Crossing the Chronos" , posted Thu 10 Feb 21:56post reply

quote:
Mario Strikers looked neat. Getting some sort of Arch Rivals vibes off of it. Big fan of hybrid sport games, so the combat and customization is welcome. BEWARE TANK TOAD! :B


It does look great! I usually find soccer games boring, but this one looks very fun.

It's interesting that once again Rosalina takes Daisy's place as the second princess in a Mario game... at this rate, I won't be surprised if Nintendo eventually decides to retcon her as Luigi's sweetheart crush (they already had that special photo together in Super Mario Galaxy).

quote:
I heard...Cross is a bad Trigger sequel, but a great game on it's own terms.



You heard right. Cross is very different from Trigger, and not as epic as its predecessor, but it's still quite charming itself.

It's a pity that we never got a third Chrono game (and no, Radical Dreamers does not count). Then again, with Trigger already exploring time travel, and Cross exploring parallel timelines, I'm not sure what sci-fi concept a third game could explore in order to fit with the franchise's themes while not feeling repetitive.





Maybe I'm this person right in front of you... nah probably not though.


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(6):Crossing the Chronos" , posted Thu 10 Feb 22:03post reply

Live A Live? Now there's something I didn't expect to ever hear about again!

Speaking of obscure games, I finally figured out where sfried's avatar came from. I move at my own pace when it comes to these sorts of things.





Pencilero

131th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(6):Crossing the Chronos" , posted Fri 11 Feb 01:08post reply

I forgot to ask, any idea how long LiveAlive stories are? If each story were bite sized, it may make an interesting entry point for myself, as someone who lost interest in RPG's due to the time commitment on top of disinterest in game mechanics.

quote:
Also, no Akira Toriyama, but we have Nobuteru Yuuki instead.


A Yuuki is fine too.

There are certain artists whose work I'm always happy to see.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Just a Person
2384th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(7):Crossing the Chronos" , posted Fri 11 Feb 02:13:post reply

quote:
I forgot to ask, any idea how long LiveAlive stories are? If each story were bite sized, it may make an interesting entry point for myself, as someone who lost interest in RPG's due to the time commitment on top of disinterest in game mechanics.



It varies from story to story. For instance, the Present Day story is ridiculously short; assuming you have good strategies for the battles and manage to win them all on your first try, it can be over in 20 minutes or less. If I remember correctly, the Wild West story was also pretty short (of course, not as much as the Present Day one). On the other hand, the Twilight of Edo Japan and the Near Future stories were quite long.

This could lead you to decide to start with the Present Day story, but the thing is, each story had a different way to be played. I mean, the overall mechanics and battle system are the same, but appear in different rates: Present Day is basically a SFII parody, and as such it's all about battles, with zero exploration and barely any narration or dialogue; conversely, the Distant Future story involves lot of exploration and story but only one battle (...well, unless you count the videogame that can be played in it).

Unfortunately, I don't think it was possible to play a new story before finishing the one you were playing at the time (maybe I'm wrong, or maybe this will be changed in the remake); still, it's interesting trying each of them to find out what unique features it has that the other stories don't.

—-

EDIT: For anyone here who decides to try this game out, one thing I forgot to tell: the Ancient China story presents quite a dilemma on whether you should follow a walkthrough or play it completely unaware of anything - personally, I suggest the latter.

It’s not a complicated chapter full of hidden areas and items (like the Ninja chapter), so a walkthrough would normally be completely unnecessary. The thing is, there is one huge plot twist in this chapter that only works if the player is completely unaware of what happens - but, by doing so, the player may take a decision earlier that will make the rest of the chapter (and the final chapter of the game as a whole) harder in terms of gameplay and the skills you have access to.

If I remember correctly, as long as you hadn’t finished all seven chapters, you could play a finished chapter again - if the remake keeps this idea, my suggestion would be to play the Ancient China story completely in the dark first, and then, once you experience the twist and understand what you should have done to make your life easier before the twist comes, you can play it again and do what you didn’t do before.

(Unless, of course, you had already done it during the first playthrough - I guess each person will take different choices when playing it for the first time, and it’s quite possible that many players actually do the best choice by themselves… it’s just that I didn’t)





Maybe I'm this person right in front of you... nah probably not though.

[this message was edited by Just a Person on Sat 12 Feb 21:14]



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(6):Crossing the Chronos" , posted Fri 11 Feb 08:48post reply

Love the Live A Live commentary, Just a Person! As the only person I have ever seen writing about it in English (and possibly Japanese), you could compile your posts over the years and be the foremost authority by default! It's a nice prelude to Square's experimental PS1 phase. Is Racing Lagoon possible without Live A Live? I don't think it is!

I can offer a different opinion on the other game, though:
quote:
I heard...Cross is a bad Trigger sequel, but a great game on it's own terms.
"Once every 100 years, when Christ's power is at its weakest, Count Dracula Maou is resurrected by the prayers of wicked men to pontificate endlessly on Chrono Cross..."

You are in luck, I have been refining this unasked-for set of opinions for years, waiting to bombard some unfortunate reader when the time was right! Chrono Cross is:

-a hideous non-sequel with a completely incongruous tone, created by none of the original directors or producers who defined Chrono Trigger. It is a vapid piece of dark fanfiction by Katou Masato, a mediocre scenario writer who, like Nomura as designer in FFVIII and X, produced decent work under very strict supervision by men of superior talent like FF creator Sakaguchi and DQ creator Horii but failed utterly when left to his own direction. Chrono Cross is the Advent Children of video games.

-a game with a fascinating first hour and ending sequence that movingly invites you to consider the very different directions your life could have taken. Too bad the rest of the game is not like this at all: hilariously, this game is unwittingly a mise en abyme that reflects its own theme of poor decisions and missed opportunities!

-an act of crass vandalism against Chrono Trigger’s earnestness. It is cynical, brutal, and joyless, where the only redeeming feature of the main story is that the good ending basically undoes the entire chain of causality that ruined the original game’s world and set up this dumb story in the first place.

-a vehicle for a soundtrack of sweeping beauty, possibly Mitsuda’s greatest work, with an ending song whose profoundly moving lyrics I translated for a mix album I made for someone very important to me when I was very young.

-an embarrassing and self-important pile of exposition with no characterization at all, punctuated by occasional barrages of psychobabble and unidirectional backstory explanations, the logical extreme of chuunibyou Evangelion-inspired abstruseness disguised as thematic depth. Perhaps you played it English and assumed it was someone else's fault, but no: it is truly awful writing.

-a game with a pretty unique battle system that some people really love, some people don’t really care about, and that all people will find hard to concentrate on due to the most irritating battle theme of all time.

-an entire story premised around saving an optional Chrono Trigger character’s NPC sister (who most reasonable players would have reasonably assumed was dead anyway), yet said character is nowhere to be found, and instead the game is populated by 40 party characters whose only personality is literally their accents. It is also a game where one of the “main” characters is only obtainable by being relentlessly cruel to the other and not letting her join you, ensuring that you see as little of what passes for this game’s characters as possible.





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...


user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P - IGGY ARI !

"Re(2):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Fri 11 Feb 09:24post reply

I have nothing to contribute to the current discussion, since I think Live A Live is a charming experiment that is being bolstered for being not available outside of Japan, and I found Chrono Cross stale and... I think Maou used the best word, "Joyless". How could a thing with so many colors and great music be so drab? Not to mention why bring the Chrono Trigger baggage with you if you weren't going to do anything about it.
However, the real reason I posted was
quote:
Rudra No Hihou


Yes. If current SQEX can translate Radical Dreamers on a whim, Rudra should be next on line. It may not be the best game in the world, but I have a special soft spot for it, its nice music, its surprising yet simple gimmick about the 3+ scenarios happening simultaneously, its weird battle system, and the best looking Squaresoft game on SFC.

I'm surprised we didn't get announcement for the Saga Frontier 2 remake. We need to get through that to reach Unlimited and Minstrel Song, so the faster it comes, the more likely we are to get those games before the money well of the gacha dries up.
Small disappointment at Capcom not showing anything out of their back catalogue either. I don't know, they could have done some Rockman Dash compilation, or Warzard added to the arcade machine thingie, anything, really.

Anyway, I'll probably buy the Front Mission 1 and 2 remake. I remember 2 having minutes of loading between each actions back in the day, so I'm excited to finally finish that.
Oh, and also, I can't tell whether this is ridiculous or fantastic. Possibly both.





Just a Person
2381th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(3):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Fri 11 Feb 09:40post reply

quote:
However, the real reason I posted was
Rudra No Hihou

Yes. If current SQEX can translate Radical Dreamers on a whim, Rudra should be next on line. It may not be the best game in the world, but I have a special soft spot for it, its nice music, its surprising yet simple gimmick about the 3+ scenarios happening simultaneously, its weird battle system, and the best looking Squaresoft game on SFC.


I second that!

quote:
I'm surprised we didn't get announcement for the Saga Frontier 2 remake.


I don't second that.





Maybe I'm this person right in front of you... nah probably not though.


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(3):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Fri 11 Feb 11:21:post reply

quote:
Anyway, I'll probably buy the Front Mission 1 and 2 remake. I remember 2 having minutes of loading between each actions back in the day, so I'm excited to finally finish that.


I'm happy Front Mission 1st and 2nd are getting remakes but...considering the genre of their previous work, for the love of me, I have no idea why Forever Entertainment passed up the opportunity to revive Einhänder instead and bring it to modern consoles instead.

I'm eager to try out LiveALive due to its omnibus nature! And speaking of trying out, apprently the 13 Sentinels demo is now out on eShop.

quote:
-an embarrassing and self-important pile of exposition with no characterization at all, punctuated by occasional barrages of psychobabble and unidirectional backstory explanations, the logical extreme of chuunibyou Evangelion-inspired abstruseness disguised as thematic depth. Perhaps you played it English and assumed it was someone else's fault, but no: it is truly awful writing.

Wasn't that...pretty much everything the Playstation represented during that era? Certainly Legacy of Kain felt that way with it's edgy writing.

Shame to hear then about Chrono Cross being a joyless endeavor as I was willing to see what the hype surrounding it was all about (I heard more favorable stuff regarding Radical Dreamers though). Same with Symphony of the Night, if only that game were released on the Switch...





[this message was edited by sfried on Fri 11 Feb 11:28]



user profileedit/delete message
Red Carpet Regular Member++



"Re(4):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Fri 11 Feb 12:02post reply

quote:
Shame to hear then about Chrono Cross being a joyless endeavor as I was willing to see what the hype surrounding it was all about (I heard more favorable stuff regarding Radical Dreamers though). Same with Symphony of the Night, if only that game were released on the Switch...



I don't always finish RPGs, but Chrono Cross was so draining that I never even started it. I'd heard about it, and watched a friend play it, and listened to another friend failing to convince people it was decent.

As for Radical Dreamers, a key question is whether the favorable stuff that you heard came from people that had actually played it or did it come from people who'd only heard/read about it? It is one of the those titles that eventually built a word-of-mouth mythology about it, where it felt like a sizeable chunk of the people who talked about it had likely never played it (or had at best spent a few minutes with a ROM years later, but not a meaningful amount of time.)







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(4):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Fri 11 Feb 12:22:post reply

quote:
Shame to hear then about Chrono Cross being a joyless endeavor as I was willing to see what the hype surrounding it was all about (I heard more favorable stuff regarding Radical Dreamers though).
Haha, putting aside Just a Person's kinder view, I find any hype around Chrono Cross is from a minority of internet contrarians and revisionists, usually people who grew up playing games and are now looking for "dark" or "underappreciated" things to reevaluate now that they've lost their youthful ability to judge things earnestly and squarely on their actual merits. At the time of release, Chrono Cross got what it deserved: embarrassing sales that were less than one third of Chrono Trigger's despite its predecessor's universal acclaim, and the end of Katou's involvement with any projects of significance. If not for the astounding music, Chrono Cross would long since have been completely forgotten.

...much like: Radical Dreamers. I mean, if you're going to make an inane Chrono Trigger fanfic text adventure with none of the original creative visionaries, you may as well make it a downloadable Satellaview game with a different name that no one will ever, ever play! So in a way, I am less offended by the existence of Radical Dreamers just because its lowly medium instantly signals how experimental/stupid/unimportant it was, rather than wasting good budget and the Chrono Trigger name on such a half-assed yet self-important story like Chrono Cross. Plus, Radical Dreamers was more aware of the absurdity of it all before Katou got lost in Xenogears and Chrono Cross levels of narrative muck later: sure, it has basically the same awful "dark" base scenario as Chrono Cross, but also a bunch of perplexing add-on scenarios, like one where one of the main characters is now a space detective and the villain is the king of Mars. Uh????

Anyway, I promise you will enjoy that Dracula game when you finally manage to play it, though! Sometimes a good reputation is well-deserved.
quote:
Saga Frontier 2 remake.

I don't second that.
Hee hee hee. This is all a necessary sacrifice in order to bring about Lord Kawazu's master plan of an Unlimited Saga remake, as divinely revealed in the Book of Iggy.

PS: Splatoon is a lot of fun!





人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は...

[this message was edited by Maou on Fri 11 Feb 12:52]

Pencilero

132th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(4):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Fri 11 Feb 16:32post reply

quote:
Wasn't that...pretty much everything the Playstation represented during that era? Certainly Legacy of Kain felt that way with it's edgy writing.


Hey now, I can't let you run at Blood Omen like that. Granted I haven't played it since it released, and I do agree that the Playstation did make a concerted effort to appeal to Western audiences, my original pre-Toshinden impression was something akin to, pardon my phrasing here, white trash paradise. Demolition derby, WWF game, Twisted Metal, and Mortal Combat whatever edition (although that was not unique to the PS in that era).

For the record, I was and am a Saturn die-hard (from my cold dead hands, etc.); but when I eventually got around to spending my comic shop paychecks on a used Playstation Blood Omen and Vandal Hearts left a pretty solid impression. Coming out of the Sega and Nintendo era of console gaming, the mature tones and language used in the games felt different to a gamer in 1996.

Plus Blood Omen had a wonderful voice cast, many of whom worked on another favorite the ReBoot TV series; and then went on to do a fantastic job on the dub of Berserk for the Dreamcast.

I haven't played the game since, and I do recall the load times being nightmarish; but in terms of the titles on offer at the time - Blood Omen was a cut above the rest. At least, it was more loquacious and wasn't merely YEEEEHAW! Cars! Guns! Mountain Dew! :b

Sony really needs to put more respect on Toshinden, were it not for the first two games - I probably would have never purchased a Playstation back then. Kids these days are flipping their wig over Happy Chaos, but I recall having my wig flipped by Vermillion in my buddy's import copy of Toshinden 2. The OG gun-fu fighting game character.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Just a Person
2383th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(7):Crossing the Chronos" , posted Fri 11 Feb 21:27:post reply

quote:
Love the Live A Live commentary, Just a Person! As the only person I have ever seen writing about it in English (and possibly Japanese), you could compile your posts over the years and be the foremost authority by default! It's a nice prelude to Square's experimental PS1 phase. Is Racing Lagoon possible without Live A Live? I don't think it is!


Haha, thanks! But I'd say Hardcore Gaming 101 did a much better job detailing Live-A-Live, pointing out both its creative gimmicks... and its many, many problems as well.

Just beware, this article spoils many of the surprises and plot twists of the game.

quote:
Sony really needs to put more respect on Toshinden, were it not for the first two games - I probably would have never purchased a Playstation back then. Kids these days are flipping their wig over Happy Chaos, but I recall having my wig flipped by Vermillion in my buddy's import copy of Toshinden 2. The OG gun-fu fighting game character.


The problem with the Toshinden series is that its quality was... questionable, wasn't it? If I remember correctly, 1 was quite mediocre (but acceptable as a game released in PS1's early days), 2 was considerably better... then came 3, which was awful. And then 4 tried to follow KOF's idea as a team-based fighting game, but having only 13 characters (an okay number for a 1-on-1 fighting game, but too limited for 3-on-3 battles) and nevertheless still being unforgivably poor in all aspects (graphics, gameplay, animation etc.) for a game released long after Soul Edge, Tekken 3 and even PS1's version of Dead or Alive 1.

But yes, Vermillion was quite a cool design. In fact, other characters in the series also have pretty good designs - but not good enough to save Toshinden.

(and I guess DC never found out that Toshinden 3 had a blatant Catwoman rip-off)





Maybe I'm this person right in front of you... nah probably not though.

[this message was edited by Just a Person on Fri 11 Feb 21:28]

Pencilero

134th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(8):Crossing the Chronos" , posted Sat 12 Feb 02:16post reply

quote:
The problem with the Toshinden series is that its quality was... questionable, wasn't it? If I remember correctly, 1 was quite mediocre (but acceptable as a game released in PS1's early days), 2 was considerably better... then came 3, which was awful. And then 4 tried to follow KOF's idea as a team-based fighting game, but having only 13 characters (an okay number for a 1-on-1 fighting game, but too limited for 3-on-3 battles) and nevertheless still...


I don't disagree there.

Toshinden 3 was a hard break for me. It was at that point they went the Tekken route, artificially inflating the roster by making lame clone characters of all the main characters. Yay! You have 30 characters now (or whatever it was), because you just added new models. Low effort.

Although through the lens of today's fighting game market; this was also a heyday of developers not putting us on a pay as you go content drip... :b

I think it all boils down to having good times and fond memories of the first two games, as clunky as they may have been. The Saturn installments were. . . not good. The port of the first game was very rough and I appreciated the idea of Toshinden URA; but. . . oof! Not to mention Saturn was awash in all of the Sega fighting games I loved, with the superior 2D ports from Capcom and SNK.

Tsukasa Kotobuki's mad character designs are always appreciated. Like Obari he had a pretty unique visual style, although that circle he ran in had a common language (Kotoyoshi / Kotobuki, and I forget the others at the moment). In general that's part of the artistic trade in Japan that really isn't seen these days in the West, despite the prevalence of style jackers who put a fast one over on their young fans who don't know they're just doing an imitation of Kinu Nishimura or Hiroaki...





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
Red Carpet Regular Member++



"Re(5):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Sat 12 Feb 07:24post reply

quote:
my original pre-Toshinden impression was something akin to, pardon my phrasing here, white trash paradise. Demolition derby, WWF game, Twisted Metal, and Mortal Combat whatever edition



As with a number of PS1 games, Destruction Derby was about showing the power of polygons. Racing games largely didn't do "realistic" damage modeling. And if you are going to build your racing game on the idea of trashing cars, particularly in the early days of 3D when you still couldn't actually do "realistic" damage, then you might as well go all in on it.

Twisted Metal 1 was kind of jank, but it was a nice proof of concept. I'll continue to defend Twisted Metal 2 as the best arcade-style car combat game that I've ever played. I say that as someone who went back to the game a few years back and found it was still as fun as I remembered. (I say that as someone who beat the game with every vehicle without continuing, and then went on to do it again without dying at all.)

Toshinden was...a game. On one hand, I hate that the franchise never made it out of the PS1 era. I was memorable, fun enough at the time, and had some decent to interesting character designs. You could tell it wanted to be seen the same as Tekken and Soul Edge. At the same time, I can understand why the franchise never made it out of the PS1 era. It just wasn't that great, and the design philosophy seemed more focused on style than substance. It can be hard to realize it today, but at the time Toshinden was the eye candy fighting game, sold more by its graphics than its gameplay. Heck, I remember people using Toshinden as "proof" the Playstation was better and more powerful than the Saturn, because the Saturn couldn't handle its transparencies. When fighting game fans were trumpeting the necessity for 60fps gameplay, one of the sequels made it an option. You could play the game at 60fps with "reduced" graphical effects, or play it at 30fps with full graphical effects. I tried both, and don't remember feeling a difference...





Pencilero

135th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(6):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Sun 13 Feb 04:26post reply

quote:
Twisted Metal 1 was kind of jank, but it was a nice proof of concept. I'll continue to defend Twisted Metal 2 as the best arcade-style car combat game that I've ever played. I say that as someone who went back to the game a few years back and found it was still as fun as I remembered. (I say that as someone who beat the game with every vehicle without continuing, and then went on to do it again without dying at all.)


I will agree on Twisted Metal 2. My friend dragged me into co-op play with his addiction to the game, and when I discovered it was essentially Street Fighter 2 with cars; it worked for me. Although I will say the decision to have special move inputs on the "steering wheel" was a problem in later versions.

I would be perfectly content with a Twisted Metal 2 HD Remake with online play. The sequels never captured that 90's Mountain Dew MTV stupid vibe of TM2, even if the story was edgelord cancer, it only continued to become more insufferable and all edge with later installations. Ignoring that the game was a lot of dumb fun.

Early on 30FPS/60FPS games looked to me like the difference between a cinematic experience and broadcast television shows like Small Wonder. (It was when I finally learned that TV shows were filmed with a higher frame rate than film in the days of my youth) Something was just "off", and hindsight leads me to believe it was due to the sterile nature of the visuals and lack of features that became common in later generations such as depth of field rendering, atmospheric effects, and more naturalistic lighting effects that lent to a less stark visual appearance.

Perhaps a better analogy is early 60FPS games looked like staring at the serene and curated environment of a fish tank.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(7):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Sun 13 Feb 04:48post reply

At some point I need to try Live A Live based on Just a Person's descriptions.

At no point will I ever try Chrono Cross. Maou was brave enough to take one for the team to let us know exactly what was wrong with that sequel. As for me, I knew the CC crew was trying to lure me into their van with the promise of candy but I knew better.

By all know metrics, Blood Omen isn't a good game. That, however, does not stop it from being a great game.

Toshinden, however, was not a good game series that never stopped being not good. It was an odd 2.5D game that was full of design decisions that never made it into any other 2D or 3D game. Add in a boring cast led by not-Ryu and not-Ken and it's no wonder the title fizzled once the novelty wore off. That said, if someone put out a Toshinden collection I would be the first in line. I sort of want to replay those games for historical purposes, if nothing else.







user profileedit/delete message
Red Carpet Regular Member++



"Re(7):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Sun 13 Feb 05:07post reply

quote:
Although I will say the decision to have special move inputs on the "steering wheel" was a problem in later versions.

I would be perfectly content with a Twisted Metal 2 HD Remake with online play.



I waffle on the special move inputs. At first it was annoying, but after a while it just felt "right" doing them on a d-pad. I think the key was with Twisted Metal 2's arcade physics and speed. The same style of inputs just felt wrong when the game engine itself was changed.

As for a remake, the last time they tried to recapture the magic of Twisted Metal 2, we got Twisted Metal Head-On. Which instead just stuck the TM2 car designs into Twisted Metal Black.

quote:
Perhaps a better analogy is early 60FPS games looked like staring at the serene and curated environment of a fish tank.



The sad bit for Toshinden's frame-rate option is that with other 3D fighting games you could generally feel what the difference would mean. I know it would affect the precise timings some other fighting games requested of players, whether it made them easier or instead made them less reliable. But I really didn't feel any meaningful difference with Toshinden, you just got slightly lower quality graphics. I never checked into it, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the game ran fully at 30fps, and the 60fps option was just a gimmick. Either a PR smokescreen, or instead the product of devs that just didn't understand why 3D fighting game fans actually wanted 60fps.





Pencilero

136th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Re(8):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Sun 13 Feb 05:43post reply

quote:
Although I will say the decision to have special move inputs on the "steering wheel" was a problem in later versions.


It was just a bit annoying in deathmatch or rally clutch situations. A less intrusive route, would be take the Street Fighter 3 method and standardize the special move input Super Arts style. Eliminating the left/right inputs would remove a lot of the hassle of trying to maintain your target while accidentally steering to fire off an ice ball.

I can't recall the number of special moves there were - jump, ice, cloak (?)... But I think a more sensible approach could have been implemented.

In a way the unreliable nature of the special move inputs and outcomes remind me more of the clunky inputs of Street Fighter 1. Although I expect that was more by design given the high damage output of SF1 special moves.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
Red Carpet Regular Member++



"Re(9):Living a live (or seven) on the Switch" , posted Sun 13 Feb 08:28post reply

quote:
It was just a bit annoying in deathmatch or rally clutch situations. A less intrusive route, would be take the Street Fighter 3 method and standardize the special move input Super Arts style. Eliminating the left/right inputs would remove a lot of the hassle of trying to maintain your target while accidentally steering to fire off an ice ball.

I can't recall the number of special moves there were - jump, ice, cloak (?)... But I think a more sensible approach could have been implemented.



I think that it interfered with your steering was part of the point, it was the trade-off for using them.

However the moves are also designed to have a pretty low impact once you learned and practiced them. Most are only three inputs long. While you mention veering off, no move requires more than two horizontal direction inputs, and the moves that require two such inputs always use opposing inputs.

The inputs are also built to easily remembered patterns. Attacks start with either left,right or right,left. Forward attacks end with up, while rear attacks end with down. Evasive jumps and shields instead start with up,up. The only confusing bit is keeping straight which moves you get from left and which you get from right. (forward ice versus forward napalm, rear fire versus rear mine drop, jump versus shield)

Temporary invisibility was a 4-input 360 motion (right,down,left,up). I recall it did mess with my steering, but I hardly ever used it, preferring to be able to deploy a shield or similar instead. Health recovery (Sell Your Soul) was an intentional 8-input commitment. (Some argue that Health recovery was instead a cheat, but my counter-argument is that all of TM2's other cheats involve a shoulder button input. And it wasn't free health recovery, you sacrificed all of your stocked weapons for a proportional amount of healing.)





Pencilero

138th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"Aegis Rim Calamities gets physical." , posted Thu 17 Feb 01:47post reply

13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim for Switch ‘Calamities’ trailer, physical edition pre-order bonus announced

Niiiice.

Will proceed with plans to purchase.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus
Pencilero

153th Post



user profileedit/delete message
Regular Customer

"EDF + Primeval = Exoprimal" , posted Sat 12 Mar 18:17post reply

This looks like it could scratch an itch, so long as it's not too heavily focused on aiming a gun as a primary game play mechanic.

Exoprimal – Reveal Trailer

The suits remind me a bit of Shirow landmates in theory, or the power armor in the Starship Troopers novel; but the obvious game comparison is the Earth Defense Force series. Although much like From Software, I desperately wish Sandlot would take time to develop another insane experimental super robot game like the ones that I loved them for.

Also reminded me of an old BBC series I enjoyed back when BBC was breaking into the American market aggressively on shows with higher budgets and production values compared to the PBS stuff I grew up on - Primeval.





"We don't rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training." - Archilochus


user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(1):Aegis Rim Calamities gets physical." , posted Wed 13 Apr 13:18post reply

quote:
13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim for Switch ‘Calamities’ trailer, physical edition pre-order bonus announced

Niiiice.

Will proceed with plans to purchase.



I just got my copy. Coming at it blind. What should I expect?

I hope they consider porting all of the other Vanillaware titles to Switch as well. OLED Muramasa would be a great experience.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(2):GrimGrimoire OnceMore" , posted Wed 13 Apr 16:55post reply

Speaking of Vanillaware...GrimGrimoire is next!

Can't wait for "Odin Sphere IsHere".







user profileedit/delete message
Platinum Carpet V.I.P Requiem





"Re(3):GrimGrimoire OnceMore" , posted Thu 14 Apr 07:10post reply

quote:
Speaking of Vanillaware...GrimGrimoire is next!

Can't wait for "Odin Sphere IsHere".

Interesting that they're doing it with Nippon Ichi. I thought they were only ever working with Atlus anymore, that makes Muramasa a possibility again.
Now if only they were releasing stuff on PC...







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: Ishmael26b
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: Ishmael26b
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(4):GrimGrimoire OnceMore" , posted Fri 15 Apr 21:31post reply

Is GrimGrimoire any fun to play? With a number of Vanillaware games I find I enjoy admiring them from a distance rather than trying to deal with the actual mechanics. For example, when I think back on Odin Sphere the only part of the gameplay I really liked was petting the cat.





Red Falcon
6396th Post



user profileedit/delete message
PSN: beatolover
XBL: Dead
Wii: Dead
STM: bugrom1067
CFN: rugalbgood
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master





"Re(5):GrimGrimoire OnceMore" , posted Sat 16 Apr 12:47post reply

quote:
Is GrimGrimoire any fun to play? With a number of Vanillaware games I find I enjoy admiring them from a distance rather than trying to deal with the actual mechanics. For example, when I think back on Odin Sphere the only part of the gameplay I really liked was petting the cat.


I enjoyed the game a lot back when I played it, but the CPU cheats pretty brazenly; I caught it red handed generating combat units from buildings that you can't do that from.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: n/a
XBL: n/a
Wii: Switch:SW-3634-5515-7312
STM: n/a
CFN: n/a
Red Carpet Premium Member




"Re(6):GrimGrimoire OnceMore" , posted Sun 17 Apr 13:12post reply

Wow, I'd never imagine I'd be knee deep in 13 Sentinels. I always thought the appeal of Vanillaware games were its aesthetics, but what is actually here can really stand on its own.

I've never played GrimGrimoire nor Odin Sphere, so having Switch ports is a good way for me to finally experience these titles.







user profileedit/delete message
PSN: zonepharaoh
XBL: n/a
Wii: n/a
STM: n/a
CFN: zonepharaoh
Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master