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"The glorious new SaGa thread/eternal festival" , posted Sat 19 Sep 11:18post reply

It is time for a glorious new (Romancing) SaGa thread!

One of the finest delicacies the Cafe offers to the English-speaking internet, in addition to house specialties SNK and Dracula, is SaGa conversation. Use this thread to talk or inquire about any of the works of our stylish and ingenious master Lord Kawazu in addition to posting the hopefully boundless amount of upcoming SaGa-related news. For me in particular, there is a special occasion:

“At last, the hour is at hand to correct the error of the Goddess Althena Maou from fifteen twenty-two years ago.”
Twenty-two years ago, I got SaGa Frontier and resented it more than any game I’ve ever bought at full price. Four years ago, after a decade of gradually acknowledging Kawazu’s evil genius, I fully submitted to his will. Today, THIS VERY DAY, I have finally acquired the RomaSaGa 2 remake for Switch, so I’m going to being Maoublogging my way through it here like I promised Mosquiton and others three years ago.

But I need your help! I’m not going to read any guides and look forward to wandering around aimlessly and getting randomly killed in the finest SaGa/early PC RPG tradition. Still, it would be great to hear who I should play as to get some of the best dialogue, or at least who not to play as, plus any missable but fun stuff…like, in FFVI terms, I want to know that I should wait for Shadow on the floating continent so he doesn’t die permanently. Help me, Kawazu acolytes!


Previous threads:
The (sort of) RomaSaGa 2 thread
Year of SaGa, plus the splendid RomaSaGa2 dissertation
Recent musings





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"Re(1):The glorious new SaGa thread/eternal fe" , posted Sat 19 Sep 20:44post reply

OK, after 5 minutes of laughing evilly in my evil chair of doom, time to answer.... to this thread and not answering any of the claimant's calls for help.

I've been mourning this tweet for the last month, and now you should too. I was really sure an HD port of Minsaga was underway as that sounded an obvious follow-up to RS2 and 3's rereleases. Yes, it would require a different type of work that wouldn't be reusable in the gacha, but... come on now. The game doesn't even have that many bugs that would need to be fixed by Saga standards!
Of course, the ideal scenario would be a triple pack release, HD remaster of Minsaga, and an emulated port of the SFC and the Wonderswan versions. And of course put all that on PC.
I guess the main issue is that such a project wouldn't be releasable on mobile, and that's what SQEX requires for every small and middle sized project, apparently...







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"Re(2):The glorious new SaGa thread/eternal fe" , posted Sun 20 Sep 08:05:post reply

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OK, after 5 minutes of laughing evilly in my evil chair of doom, time to answer.... to this thread and not answering any of the claimant's calls for help.
Alas, Kawazu's Chosen are as merciless as the man himself!

It was midnight yesterday when I fired up RomaSaga2 for the first time, which was enough time to watch random villagers walking around in seeming safety saying, "if only the Seven Heroes would appear," before getting instantly obliterated by suddenly appearing monsters without a word or cutscene between them, all before the title screen came up and I fell asleep. I feel like this is the most appropriate possible return to SaGa for me.

As for the tragic injustice Kawazu is facing re-releasing RomaSaga 1 while Nomura throws away money on garbage that takes years to come out, his most tantalizing suggestion is a pixel version of Minstrel Song. The most positive thing about that tweet is that it came in response to a fan saying that we have to Keep the Faith by raising voices periodically to re-release Minstrel Song even if it's not remastered, and finishing with "Our Lord God/Kawazu, the SaGa Collection is already out, please consider this request!"

He is listening to us. He knows we're here. He may even be reading this very thread.





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"Re(3):The glorious new SaGa thread/eternal fe" , posted Mon 21 Sep 00:54post reply

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random villagers walking around in seeming safety saying, "if only the Seven Heroes would appear," before getting instantly obliterated by suddenly appearing monsters without a word or cutscene between them

Ha! That scene always cracks me up. These villagers should be playing the gacha game instead if they want Rocbouquet and Bockhorn in their party!

Anyway.

There are very few missable things, and even less important missable things. You can miss characters, but honestly, there's 30 of them in the game and they're all interchangeable, so it's not a big deal.
One thing in RS is that there are no artificial highlighting of important information. Everything people tell you is potentially important. It's part of why the games have such a small script compared to other RPG of the era: they don't like to repeat themselves. Speak to everyone when you arrive in a new town. Listen carefully to what quest givers tell you, and don't assume they'll act like most quest givers in other games. If a guy asks you to clear the monsters of the second floor, don't go clear the monsters of the third floor as well "because you're there".

The biggest easily missable thing is after you've beaten the first hero. Once then, remember that you can use your bed in the castle to sleep for free. Remember to talk to everyone in town. You'll probably figure it out.

Important stuff: you can run away from 99% of battles at no cost. The game is build around that. Use it.
Save everywhere, every time you've done something. Save before and after every difficult battle. Save after every battle when you've sparked a new tech. I don't mean you should reset the moment any of your characters loses 1LP; after all, the game is about periodical party wipes. But having a backup of the last 5 minutes can save you many headaches. The game is "save anywhere" for a reason.

As for what to build, the choice is yours. You can focus on a few weapons/spells and beat the game with that, or you can go the other way and decide that every party wipe, you'll get entirely different characters and weapons/spells than the previous time. Good for variety, but may require more grinding.
If I had to chose, I generally feel that the fencing foil and the mace are the two weakest weapons, but their level counter is shared with spears and axes, which I personally love very much. Earth magic sucks early on, but can unlock pretty cool shit in the end, while Air is the opposite. Light, Fire and Water are all cool.

At the beginning, do not give money to the forge. Their weapon/armor updates can be helpful, but you'll need the money for something much more important in the first half of the game.
How money works: the ministers on the left of the throne room tell you how much you have in your coffers, and how much you gain each battle. It's "each battle started", so if you run away from every battle, you'll still gain some money. The forge works similarly; their offering changes every battle, and once you've ordered something, they'll make it in 15 battles. All that is not important information BTW: if you know you're going to need 2M for something soon, but you really want to upgrade your bows for some reason, and you're wondering how many battles you'd need to do for that... well, you're already far into the deep end. No need to think about it at the beginning. Ignore the forget early on.

Pyjama Gerard is totally useless, the poor boy. The first time you take control of him, you can ask Emerald (right of the castle) to make him less terrible. One thing I generally do is to remove his sword and make him use his weak little punches while the rest of the party is doing the actual work. It doesn't make him less useless, but it allows the general level of martial arts to start raising a little bit. The poor boy is doing his best. Take care of him, maybe he'll grow out of his pyjamas.

Some chests in the Somon house are trapped. The mimic are extremely hard and don't offer fantastic rewards, so feel free to avoid them until Gerard has become stronger, or even ignore them completely. The other chests have good stuff though. Save before opening anything!







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"Re(4):The glorious new SaGa thread" , posted Tue 22 Sep 12:48post reply

Thanks to General Iggy's generous tactics, I'm almost ready to embark on this journey, but the sense of danger emanating from SaGa games is still palpable two decades after Frontier, so you'd better believe I'm studying up so I don't end up flattened like those hapless villagers in the attract mode!

How? Why, downloading and printing the digital manual from the beautiful and hexa-lingual RomaSaGa 2 website, of course! As Iggy has said before, Kawazu is in the business of getting us closer to the D&D and early PC RPG basics that he, Sakaguchi, Horii, and other pioneers loved and tried to recreate on video game consoles, and I can't think of anything more pen-and-paper-RPG-like than printing a 30 page Rule Book and excitedly studying it before I properly start a video game, which is exactly what I'm going to do. The art is great! Join in the fun and/or this deadly campaign!





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"Kawazu: We still have 2.5 months !" , posted Sun 27 Sep 16:01post reply

We only have two and a half months left with the 30th anniversay of the Saga series.
People might have been expecting an announcement today,
but again we still have two and a half months.
So, maybe we might be able to make a new announcement?








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"Re(1):Kawazu: We still have 2.5 months" , posted Sun 27 Sep 18:46post reply

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We only have two and a half months left with the 30th anniversay of the Saga series.
People might have been expecting an announcement today,
but again we still have two and a half months.
So, maybe we might be able to make a new announcement?




-cries in mobile-
Wait, it could also be like Scarlet Grace which when it was announced in 2015!
-cries in waiting 4 years for the game to be ported on Steam-

Oh well, time to buy another random console for a single game. Speaking of, I recently noticed my Vita has disappeared. I haven't touched it since Scarlet Grace was released on Switch, so maybe it took it upon itself to stand on its tiny legs and go find a new home where it will be more needed than mine.







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"Re(2):Kawazu: We still have 2.5 months" , posted Mon 5 Oct 07:19:post reply

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We only have two and a half months left with the 30th anniversay of the Saga series.
-cries in mobile-
Wait, it could also be like Scarlet Grace which when it was announced in 2015!
-cries in waiting 4 years for the game to be ported on Steam-
Ye of little faith! I speak with the crazed, fundamentalist zeal of one converted as an adult when I tell you that this is more than enough time for the announcement of a suitably excellent SaGa game (all games remade on a Seiken Densetsu 3 engine?!?!). Remember when it took an extra year of Scarlet Grace? That's because even you, Shogun Iggy, cannot fully bring yourself to defend proto-SaGa Final Fantasy II, of course. He knows and we must repent.

Meanwhile, I completed my extensive study of the instruction book and stared the game. Having a bard narrate to your own character, who will then be irrelevant for I-don't-know-how-long, is pretty classy, even if the suits were so frightened people would be bothered by this that they put a big old "don't worry you will see your character one day" in the instruction book (in the same way they thought you might not know you should play Nier Automata multiple times and wedged in a big dumb "THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE GAME" sign after Route A).

The obviously sinister Seven Heroes' shadows from the opening screen look like cool predecessors to Final Oiyoiyo XII's Judges.

It's neat being able to re-roll every fight like we were working on paper, though then again, I might prefer having a better roll to begin with.

I don't understand how Emerald could make Gerard less useless by teaching magic, then end up being such a bad character herself! How am I stuck with a magic user with only 13 JP!? Because I am a humanitarian, I can't even have her destroyed and replaced. What did I do wrong?

At least I followed Iggy's dojo and made pyjama-wearing Gerard punch everyone empty-handed until he became good at it, though now he has inherited Leon's Bastard Sword and swings without mercy. I think it's neat that there's a story branching option almost immediately. I have obviously done the right thing by crushing impudent goblins terrorizing my town rather than returning immediately to Kujinshii's house.

Things I notice in the Switch port: obviously, everything is worth it since it upgrades the game from FFIV graphics to FF5.5 graphics (if only it were FFVI graphics with mist effects and more parallax!), but I keep wondering if I'm dealing with the fiddly artifacts of a cellphone port, or if the original also had you clicking on say Equip and then a vertical column of character names rather than having nice character portraits along the side, and if attack options in battle always moved from left to right rather than a vertical list.

Also, the fabled SaGa quick-save also seems to be missing---the best I can do is save regularly, then do Menu->Environmental Options->Return to Title->Really->Yes, Really. That doesn't seem very fast!





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"Re(3):Kawazu: We still have 2.5 months" , posted Mon 5 Oct 19:28post reply

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That's because even you, Shogun Iggy, cannot fully bring yourself to defend proto-SaGa Final Fantasy II, of course. He knows and we must repent.

What slander is this!
I shall have you known, sir, that Final Fantasy 2 is... a game!
And even a video game as it is!
Verily!
It is also a game that... can be played!
I hope this firm rebuttal will cleanse my name from any unjust slander thrown my way.

As for Emerald, I think she's OK after a few fights to have her find her marks. Her JP is a bit limited at first, indeed, so you'll need to be a bit stingy in the first few dungeons. Remember to put her behind your Imperial Cross, as she's very susceptible to dying if people look at her the wrong way.

The UI is unfortunately faithful to the original game. It's not ideal. That was one of the area the remake could have improved the game, but decided not to because reasons.
As for the quick reset-reload, it's indeed removed from the remake (in RS3 has well) and it's a tragedy. I suspect some kind of stupid hardware maker guideline that prevented them from implementing it on iOS or Android, and then the limitation got kept all the way to actual gaming devices.

Once you've finished RS2, which will undoubtedly happen soon as I can hear your faith in Kawazu strengthening from the other side of the world, continue your journey into RS3, a slightly less good game, but so much prettier. My personal SFC artstyle ranking is FF6 < RS3 < Rudra no Hihô.







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"DISCO SEWER returns" , posted Tue 6 Oct 10:02:post reply

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I shall have you known, sir, that Final Fantasy 2 is... a game!
I hope this firm rebuttal will cleanse my name from any unjust slander thrown my way.
Truly! I cannot argue, especially since like all crazed fanatics I have a Secret Doubt, which in my case is that I've never actually played FFII or FFI (the FFII Emperor sez: ウボァー). I wonder if the various FFII remakes sacrilegiously expunged Kawazu's system to make it more like other FFs. Anyway, get ready, it's:

The return of the fabulous SAGA DISCO SEWER PARTY, in an exciting attempt to broaden the SaGa fanbase and thread poster list:

Sewer (RS1): Is it a cosmic irony that one of Itoken's finest tracks must be announced as "sewer" even when performed live by legitimately talented musicians (internet rumors claim it was meant for another scene, which makes sense since it is a variation of the Final Trial theme), or is Itoken so skilled that even a lowly sewer track is a masterpiece?

Canal Fortress (RS2): After a disappointing track in the game's first actual sewer, this theme is hot like fire and a canal is probably connected to a sewer somewhere, right?

Honorable mentions from 1990s contemporaries: Underground Waterway (Chrono Trigger), Mysterious Cave (Lunar~Silver Star Story), [your selection here].

Speaking of the Canal Fortress, it's cool that you can track down a thief on the rooftops and, rather than feeding her to the wolves, use her to enter the Thieves' Guild, and then shortcut into the canal! It feels a little too contemporary to have the leader of a country mixed up in a shady business and literally consulting illegally with thieves, but on the other hand, the game got easier, so thanks, Cat! Also noted during the thief-chasing quest: at night, everyone goes to sleep and leaves their buildings, including the horses. The shopkeepers going home make sense, but where do the horses go to sleep when they're not in their stables!? And speaking of horses:
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RS3, a slightly less good game, but so much prettier. My personal SFC artstyle ranking is FF6 < RS3 < Rudra no Hihô.
I'm almost certain I remember the most famous RomaSaGa 3 image used in ads being the one of someone riding a horse (rare in RPGs!) through a very colorful forest!





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"Re(1):DISCO SEWER returns" , posted Tue 6 Oct 19:37post reply

The fortress mission can be done in 3 ways: the easy way where Cat has neutralized all the guards and even points toward the chests, the sneaky way where you pay someone to smuggle you in and have to go into the fortress while all the guards are patrolling, and then the suicide-mission way where you charge forward and try to take the gate, and then all the guards are on high alert. The boss can be quite though, so limiting the amount of battles before the fight is definitely the way to go.
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I'm almost certain I remember the most famous RomaSaGa 3 image used in ads being the one of someone riding a horse (rare in RPGs!) through a very colorful forest!

Ah! Yeah, it was one of these rare moments: a cinematic in a Saga game! But the person on the horse is Monica, and who cares for Monica when Khalid and Katarina exist, as you shall see.

On a totally different topic, but since beautiful SFC pixel work was brought up: Tactics Ogre is 25 today!





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"...Now THAT's unexpected" , posted Sun 29 Nov 02:28post reply

SaGa Frontier will be remastered for PS4, Switch, PC, Android and iOS. Not only is the game getting better graphics, it'll also include content that was cut from the PS1 version such as Fuse's chapter and events from Asellus's chapter. No word on more content for Lute's chapter or on more integration from Red's and Blue's chapters to the other stories, however.

Still, that's way more than I'd ever expect Square Enix to do, so... yay?





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"Re(1):...Now THAT's unexpected" , posted Sun 29 Nov 20:58post reply

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[citation needed]

I'm quite intrigued with the new Fuse chapter, and the few events that may make some of the stories less... patchy.
But let's look at the bright side here: if SQEX doesn't see any problem with re-releasing ugly 2D games like that, that means an HD remaster of Unlimited:Saga is now within the realm of possibilities!

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"Re(2):...Now THAT's unexpected" , posted Mon 30 Nov 11:15post reply

I am late to this thread as I have been playing RomaSaga 2 on and off, and I have 3 waiting in the wings.

I actually have a soft spot for U Saga... I bought it at 50 dollars on release, and never got very far, but I love the soundtrack, art, and concepts. I would love a remixed version that isn't so furiously random and obtuse (but then it wouldn't be Sagaaaaaaaaaa).







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"Re(3):...Now THAT's unexpected" , posted Tue 1 Dec 02:43post reply

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I am late to this thread as I have been playing RomaSaga 2 on and off, and I have 3 waiting in the wings.

I actually have a soft spot for U Saga... I bought it at 50 dollars on release, and never got very far, but I love the soundtrack, art, and concepts. I would love a remixed version that isn't so furiously random and obtuse (but then it wouldn't be Sagaaaaaaaaaa).



I also wanted to chime in and say that I greatly enjoyed my first playthrough of Scarlet Grace, in which I played as Urpina. Out of curiousity I tried starting off the other scenarios, and holy cow the one with Leonard is hilarious! He and his crew are bumbling oafs, and seeing them stumble into the events I encountered with Urpina and being idiots about them is rather amazing. I don't know when or if I'll actually complete that playthrough, but I am enriched by having knowledge of that.







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"Re(4):...Now THAT's unexpected" , posted Tue 1 Dec 03:48post reply

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I also wanted to chime in and say that I greatly enjoyed my first playthrough of Scarlet Grace, in which I played as Urpina. Out of curiousity I tried starting off the other scenarios, and holy cow the one with Leonard is hilarious! He and his crew are bumbling oafs, and seeing them stumble into the events I encountered with Urpina and being idiots about them is rather amazing. I don't know when or if I'll actually complete that playthrough, but I am enriched by having knowledge of that.

Yes!!! Leonard and Elizabeth are adorkable! I was a bit disappointed by Talia's and Balmaint compared to Leonard and Urpina, they're not as charming (even Talia's bored/contemptuous ice queen shtick got old after a while, maybe I wasn't in the mood).

The main draw/issue with Leonard is that he's the... well, he's the Lute of his game. Meaning everything is open, and you can go wherever you like, which can be difficult to follow (I'm not even sure he needs to complete 3 out of the 4 main quests? His interaction with Firebringer is hilarious at least).
Well, he's Lute, except he has as much scenario as the others, and it's fun, and he doesn't look like a homeless lunatic, and he's in a good game.







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"Romancing Perfect SaGa 2 vs. Lute Frontier" , posted Tue 1 Dec 12:17:post reply

Look at this glorious SaGa thread! Soon, double digits of Cafe posters the English-speaking internet will be playing!

I will start with the best things! Romancing SaGa 2! I haven't made any progress but I meant to note how neat it is that even in a game with minimal story, certain things are expressed powerfully in systems, like how Leon how to deal with Kujinshii's fatal attack by "learning it" via the in-game system at the cost of his life and then passing it onto his son via the game’s succession sytem.
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he's Lute, except he has as much scenario as the others, and it's fun, and he doesn't look like a homeless lunatic, and he's in a good game.

He is listening to us. He knows we're here. He may even be reading this very thread.

[SaGa Froniter] is still much better than Frontier 2 and Unlimited, in my opinion. And SquareEnix should definitely remake it someday and include the missing parts this time.

Iggy and Just a Person, look what you have dooooone!! My cold sweat at the thought of SaGa Frontier again being unleashed on the world was mixed with a feeling of horrified admiration when I heard they were actually bold enough to do it. Then again, the further away I get from the time when I actually paid real money for it, the more having said vagrant character with literally no story or having Blue's ending crash the game starts to sound like art, and less like a criminal conspiracy that must be prosecuted.

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an HD remaster of Unlimited:Saga is now within the realm of possibilities!

Hey wait where are you goi

Hahaha, All pre-orders of Unlimited:Saga Special Edition will come packaged with their own personal Iggy to serve as advisors through the strange worlds of imaginary numbers, random number generators, and shockingly beautiful art that you will never survive.





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"Re(1):Romancing Perfect SaGa 2 vs. Lute Front" , posted Tue 1 Dec 18:34post reply

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Hahaha, All pre-orders of Unlimited:Saga Special Edition will come packaged with their own personal Iggy to serve as advisors through the strange worlds of imaginary numbers, random number generators, and shockingly beautiful art that you will never survive.

Hey now, we Unlimited zealots may end up trialed at The Hague, but you have to admit that Hamauzu is a stark improvement over Wagner as far as war crime music goes.





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"Re(2):Romancing Perfect SaGa 2 vs. Lute Front" , posted Tue 1 Dec 22:00post reply

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Iggy and Just a Person, look what you have dooooone!! My cold sweat at the thought of SaGa Frontier again being unleashed on the world was mixed with a feeling of horrified admiration when I heard they were actually bold enough to do it. Then again, the further away I get from the time when I actually paid real money for it, the more having said vagrant character with literally no story or having Blue's ending crash the game starts to sound like art, and less like a criminal conspiracy that must be prosecuted.



Well, to be fair, it's not like this remake will be a best-selling title anyway. I suppose Square Enix will be happy enough if the sales are equal to the costs of remaking it (which should already be pretty low).

And who knows, maybe this will get them interested in remaking Romancing SaGa 2 (hopefully in a way that makes the remake faithful to the origin material). Of course, there's also the danger that they will decide instead to remake FRONTIER 2... oh, the horror.





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"Re(3):Romancing Perfect SaGa 2 vs. Lute Front" , posted Tue 1 Dec 22:37post reply

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Well, to be fair, it's not like this remake will be a best-selling title anyway. I suppose Square Enix will be happy enough if the sales are equal to the costs of remaking it (which should already be pretty low).

The good thing with the SF1 remake is that they appear to finally have warmed up to the idea of using AI to enhance these old backgrounds, something they hilariously refused to do for lesser titles such as FF8 and 9.
I would imagine that now that they finally know how to do, any further titles (SF2, U:S, but also Legend of Mana or... I don't know, Parasite Eve ?) could benefit from it.

.... or, you know, they could just do a SQEX and keep on doing their shit remake for everything that isn't Saga because they just don't care.





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"Re(5):...Now THAT's unexpected" , posted Wed 2 Dec 04:02:post reply

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The main draw/issue with Leonard is that he's the... well, he's the Lute of his game. Meaning everything is open, and you can go wherever you like, which can be difficult to follow (I'm not even sure he needs to complete 3 out of the 4 main quests? His interaction with Firebringer is hilarious at least).
Well, he's Lute, except he has as much scenario as the others, and it's fun, and he doesn't look like a homeless lunatic, and he's in a good game.



Well, I can't say I'm very familiar with the game, and I am pretty sure I did not pick Lute when I rented SaGa Frontier once (and most certainly only once) way back when. I know I tried starting a few games and picked the robot one of those times....

But, I wanted to see SaGa's version of a homeless lunatic, so I looked up art for Lute. Maybe this is common knowledge, but I found it interesting that he seems very clearly inspired by the classic Fool from the Rider-Waite-Smith tarot deck.

Visually, his facial expression, body language, and small animal companion all map to the card. In terms of his personality/scenario, he's aloof and carefree, has no set path, and makes it up as he goes along.

But apparently playing as Lute is confused and not much fun? Perhaps he's a bit too Fool-ish, and Leonard is just Fool enough?





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The main draw/issue with Leonard is that he's the... well, he's the Lute of his game. Meaning everything is open, and you can go wherever you like, which can be difficult to follow (I'm not even sure he needs to complete 3 out of the 4 main quests? His interaction with Firebringer is hilarious at least).
Well, he's Lute, except he has as much scenario as the others, and it's fun, and he doesn't look like a homeless lunatic, and he's in a good game.


Well, I can't say I'm very familiar with the game, and I am pretty sure I did not pick Lute when I rented SaGa Frontier once (and most certainly only once) way back when. I know I tried starting a few games and picked the robot one of those times....

But, I wanted to see SaGa's version of a homeless lunatic, so I looked up art for Lute. Maybe this is common knowledge, but I found it interesting that he seems very clearly inspired by the classic Fool from the Rider-Waite-Smith tarot deck.

Visually, his facial expression, body language, and small animal companion all map to the card. In terms of his personality/scenario, he's aloof and carefree, has no set path, and makes it up as he goes along.

But apparently playing as Lute is confused and not much fun? Perhaps he's a bit too Fool-ish, and Leonard is just Fool enough?



From what I remember, the problem with Lute is that his campaign is pretty much non-existent. After his first (short) scenes, the player can spend any time they want gaining levels and recruiting party members (and gaining levels for the party members) until they decide to move on with the story... which basically involves going to one single location where they will face a series of battles until reaching the final boss and that's it. And I don't remember if there was even any indication of what the player had to do to move on with the story.

That's something I found strange in the announcement of the Remastered edition: SE announced Asellus is getting new scenes (and she needed them, don't get me wrong), but there's nothing said for Lute. Or for Blue's ending. Or for Red finally being able to be recruited as a party member in the other characters' campaigns (Blue couldn't be recruited either, but Rouge could, and that's part of the plot twist involving them, I guess).

EDIT: oh, there's also the matter with Emelia's clothes: her gimmick was supposed to be that whatever costume she was wearing would grant her different skills and could be evolved and leveled up separately, but this gimmick ended up severely downplayed in the final game...





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"Re(6):...Now THAT's unexpected" , posted Wed 2 Dec 22:02post reply

True, Asellus ended up having the most developed scenario in the game, and while it's good she's getting new stuff since she's the best character... Emelia really is the character that would benefit the most from any addition. Her story was really disjointed. Red, Blue and Rouge were fine, T260G was cute but I don't remember her story at all, and Coon was.... urgh. The monster mechanic was such a pain I don't think I finished him.
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But apparently playing as Lute is confused and not much fun? Perhaps he's a bit too Fool-ish, and Leonard is just Fool enough?
Lute is basically a Romancing Saga 1 character. He has a short introduction, and then you're free to walk in the world wherever you want in whatever order. It can be good if you already finished the game a few times and try to aim for specific things, but if you don't, it's just a lot of aimless wandering until you stumble by chance on anything (quite fitting for a Fool character, as you mentioned).

Scarlet Grace's Leonard is similar, except the team keeps talking and commenting on any random thing happening along the way, so while it can be very confusing to start all these events without rhyme or reason, the banter keeps pushing you forward. Also, the general attitude of the group is "eh, whatever, let's pretend we didn't see that", so even if you end up messing up some quests or entirely missing them, you fell like the group is on the same page as you, which is quite refreshing.







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"SaGa Group Therapy Session" , posted Thu 3 Dec 01:52:post reply

Hello, friends. My name is Maou and I'm really happy to be joining today's Group SaGa Therapy Session. I'm hoping that Iggy-sensei and my peer counsellors can help me work through some of these psychological issues.

Attachment issues - RomaSaGa 2: I never let any party member die permanently, and now I'm having a hard time letting go. I have beaten the Canal Fortress boss five times and repeatedly reset in order to get the perfect successor and not lose any nice combinations. How can I move forward in my life, and into the next 250 years?

Trust and forgiveness issues - SaGa Frontier: SaGa Frontier is coming back but I've never forgiven it despite giving it repeated chances to become a better person. Am I wrong to hate it now rather than encouraging it? I kept a list of our past interactions:
1. Emelia: couldn't find my way out of jail 5 minutes into the game and considered this an inauspicious start.
2. Lute: wandered around aimlessly and getting randomly killed. Gave up.
3. Red: was thrilled by upbeat Alkaizer theme and liked that he went on a date, so decided to trust the tokusatsu approach. Felt betrayed when no romance (or Romancing) occured and game had a 43 second ending.
4. Riki Rac(Coon): forgave the game again and got excited by outstanding Confrontation with the Cabellero Family theme, but realized it was still the same game. Beat it anyway but trust never returned.

Help me, peers!

PS: Mosquiton, you'd better believe that the Fool figured into my therapy! It's a great observation that made the game (briefly) more appealing. He may also be the Shakespearean fool and the wandering minstrel (minstrel song?!) combined into one, but the problem may be that Frontier is really Much Ado About Nothing.





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"Re(1):SaGa Group Therapy Session" , posted Thu 3 Dec 04:25:post reply

I feel I understand Lute better now.

Well, I'll just imagine everyone nodded silently in approval at my astute observation that Lute is basically the RWS Fool card, and assume that they are likely pondering the other tarot-related elements of Frontier and other games in the series.

Content that I have contributed to the discourse, I now grant myself permission to bask in the unspoken and invisible (but still very affirming) validation before going back to my dull work project.





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"Re(1):SaGa Group Therapy Session" , posted Thu 3 Dec 22:58post reply

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Attachment issues - RomaSaGa 2: I never let any party member die permanently, and now I'm having a hard time letting go. I have beaten the Canal Fortress boss five times and repeatedly reset in order to get the perfect successor and not lose any nice combinations. How can I move forward in my life, and into the next 250 years?

Normally, the first successor will be of the same class as your previous emperor (after Gerald) and the others will be random (baring special circumstances). One thing to keep in mind is that death is not a big problem in this game, at all levels: if the selection of characters is not to your liking, you can pick whichever you want, then take your naked emperor alone in the wilds, get into any battle with a monster, get killed, and see what the random offers you this time. There is a limit to that (something like if you get 8 or 10 version of each class murdered as emperor until the point no class remains, then you're fast-tracked into the end?) but that's an enormous amount of senseless killing and if you reach that point you were basically doing it on purpose.

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Trust and forgiveness issues - SaGa Frontier: SaGa Frontier is coming back but I've never forgiven it despite giving it repeated chances to become a better person. Am I wrong to hate it now

No. Frontier 1 is better than Saga 1 or Frontier 2, but it's still below average. Yes, Unlimited Saga is better, yes I said it.

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Well, I'll just imagine everyone nodded silently in approval at my astute observation that Lute is basically the RWS Fool card, and assume that they are likely pondering the other tarot-related elements of Frontier and other games in the series.

Ah! No, as far as I remember that's the only element related to the major tarot arcanas in the game (if other characters are inspired by them, it was too subtle for me to notice).
I do remember some imagery related to the minor arcanas, such as cup and swords and wands? Maybe related to the magic system? My memory is fuzzy.





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"Re(2):SaGa Group Therapy Session" , posted Fri 4 Dec 02:10:post reply

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Ah! No, as far as I remember that's the only element related to the major tarot arcanas in the game (if other characters are inspired by them, it was too subtle for me to notice).
I do remember some imagery related to the minor arcanas, such as cup and swords and wands? Maybe related to the magic system? My memory is fuzzy.


Yeah, I was a bit disappointed that Blue wasn't striking an "as above, so below" pose. A lot of RPGs draw on tarot since it's a pretty great "mystic symbolism starter pack," but the art influence for Lute is unmistakable and really stood out to me. Same pose, different gear and travelling companion.

So I actually spent a bit of time looking up Saga Frontier and tarot. After questing to gather four cards (corresponding to the four suits), you can obtain the gift of Arcane Magic.

Included in the set are four suit-related spells (with wands/batons being replaced with what's translated into "shields"...or, going by the art, "plumed helmets") and four spells that correspond with major arcana: Magician, Death, Tower, and Fool.

Tower apparently is the strongest spell in the game, draining all your magic points and channeling them into a massive thunder attack, inflicting ruinous damage upon its target.





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"Re(3):SaGa Group Therapy Session" , posted Fri 4 Dec 04:24post reply

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Ah! No, as far as I remember that's the only element related to the major tarot arcanas in the game (if other characters are inspired by them, it was too subtle for me to notice).
I do remember some imagery related to the minor arcanas, such as cup and swords and wands? Maybe related to the magic system? My memory is fuzzy.

Yeah, I was a bit disappointed that Blue wasn't striking an "as above, so below" pose. A lot of RPGs draw on tarot since it's a pretty great "mystic symbolism starter pack," but the art influence for Lute is unmistakable and really stood out to me. Same pose, different gear and travelling companion.

So I actually spent a bit of time looking up Saga Frontier and tarot. After questing to gather four cards (corresponding to the four suits), you can obtain the gift of Arcane Magic.

Included in the set are four suit-related spells (with wands/batons being replaced with what's translated into "shields"...or, going by the art, "plumed helmets") and four spells that correspond with major arcana: Magician, Death, Tower, and Fool.

Tower apparently is the strongest spell in the game, draining all your magic points and channeling them into a massive thunder attack, inflicting ruinous damage upon its target.


Ah, it was a school of magic! So random.

God, Frontier 1 is such an ugly, ugly game.





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"Re(4):SaGa Group Therapy Session" , posted Fri 4 Dec 04:36post reply

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Ah, it was a school of magic! So random.

God, Frontier 1 is such an ugly, ugly game.



You know what they say, ugliness is next to godliness.

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Wait a minute, I guess nobody says that? Well, the remaster does look at least a little less... smeared across the screen.





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"Re(5):SaGa Group Therapy Session" , posted Sun 6 Dec 02:37post reply

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The astounding brutality at the heart of RomaSaGa 2 both breaks my heart, and takes me back to the game's roots in story-lite PC RPGs where the focus is on systems, and thus winning and surving rather than feeling bad about your party members kicking it.

I love the sheer strangeness, even for a SaGa game, of the succession system. SaGa already "breaks" the console RPG rules by taking you back to the D&D basics combined with its own odd growth systems, but the era-jumping is totally wild.
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You know what they say, ugliness is next to godliness.

I really appreciate Mosquiton's inquiry into the hidden tarot world of SaGa Frontier, though it also reminds me what a hugely disappointing gap there is between the game at a design level (beautiful concept art! field graphics that look nice when the game doesn't move! neat tarot references! 7 protagonists!) and the implementation level (awful in-battle art! field sprites that animate worse than a 16-bit game! terrible scenarios!).

The remaster boss battle they showed almost looked attractive here when gussied up here...but my memory does not fail me, and I know that the game is in the same batch as Wild Arms 1---the sad and deadly genre of Indecisive Early PS1 RPGs that have hideous fake 3D battles and barely late-SFC-level 2D field art, while Saturn RPGs were going all-in on beautiful 2D art since they knew their 3D was bad anyway. I guess Frontier 1 had to die for PS1's sins so we could get the astounding beauty of Frontier 2 and Unlimited, and those weird Mana games too.

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"SaGa: the final Frontier" , posted Fri 12 Mar 12:22post reply

Ready or not, SaGa Frontier remake comes out April 15, and you bet your asses it's going to be brutal! Based on the truly amusing premise that people have fond memories of the original, there is now ample commentary in both English and Japanese about how the new eighth character Fuse will let you nostalgically revisit the seven beloved [citation needed] original characters and put them all in your party at once. This is slightly like watching a kid enthusiastically tell you about the awesome things going on in the scene he's set up with all his action figures arranged around the room where you should nod and smile good naturedly, but the good news is that the graphics are less awful this time, and we can always dance all day to the infinitely splendid beats of the Nakajima Manufacturing Plant music if nothing else.

But actually! What's legitimately interesting is that prolific scenario writer and Original Gangsta Benny Matsuyama is co-writing the new Fuse stuff. The dude wrote the novelization of Wizardry back in the Year of Our Lord Kawazu 1988. LEGIT. And the scenario for Imperial SaGa as well as Wizardry Gaiden 2~Curse of the Ancient Emperor. And also nearly every short story included in Square guidebooks since 1997. That means not simply that he has produced the only known SaGa Frontier official fanfiction, but that he's a good enough writer to grit his teeth and write a FFX-2 story, god help him. And, he did the same for Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song, more importantly. So we know he's into it!





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"Re(1):SaGa: the final Frontier" , posted Fri 12 Mar 19:38post reply

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This is the real [citation needed]!

My understanding is that you need to finish a character to play as Fuse, and the more characters you've finished, the more you can do with him. Which... I guess is a fine idea, but... I don't know if I have it in me to finish that game 7 times again.

I'm also not sure about hiring Blue in the party. I liked the twist of his scenario: that he's the evil twin to Rouge's hero (he gets his magic by killing people instead of befriending them, all the other characters can get help from Rouge while Blue doesn't help anyone but himself, and apparently, while Blue gets trapped in hell fighting demons for eternity, Rouge is saved by the power of friendship and escapes after killing the main bad guy). Hope they managed to keep Blue's arsolery in Fuse's scenario.







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"24 Hour Kawazu People" , posted Fri 2 Apr 12:25post reply

Get ready, people! SaGa Frontier, everyone's least favorite SaGa game, is getting its remake released on April 15! In its honor, I shall...charge my Switch and get back to RomaSaGa 2 again, I guess.

However! For those truly brave souls and/or those inspired by Mosquiton's excellent look at all the game's tarot references, I should note that they've finally got some things to truly entice/trick you into playing it beyond the better (?) graphics. While talking about "quality of life improvements" and "SaGa" in the same sentence is usually an absurd concept, these are actually really good:

-Markers for the doors like FFVII International so you can finally see where the hell you are
-Double and triple speed
-Ability to run from battles (how did they manage not to even have a RomaSaGa 2 "reroll" mainstay like that in the original?!)
-A scenario chart that tells you what's happened and where to go, thus making Lute's 100% directionless scenario semi-comprehensible
-A cutting edge function to auto-equip optimal equipment (What? That first appeared in FFVI in...1994, you say? Well.)


I double-dare you to play it!






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"Re(1):24 Hour Kawazu People" , posted Fri 16 Apr 01:10post reply

During the live stream where Kawazu rejoiced about how we're all going to play Frontier 1 again and suffenjoy it very very much like it was 1997 all over again, he mentioned that Romancing 1, Frontier 2 and Unlimited still remain to be ported, and that he hoped they will be eventually. I hope Unlimited is not too far in the future (at least close enough so that the gacha will still be around to pay for the port). I remember he was very particular about whether to port RS1 SFC, Minstrel Song, both together, or something else... Honestly, a simple HD port of Minstrel Song would be more than enough, but I'll buy anything really. I'm going to force myself to play Frontier 1 and I've been actively campaigning for U:S since 20 years, so I think I'm in so deep that I could even force myself to replay RS1 SFC.

Anyway. Kawazu was happy and smiling and he said he's making good progress on the new Saga game he's working on, so what else could I ask for?







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"SaGa Month is the new Earth Day" , posted Mon 19 Apr 15:01post reply

Emperor Kawazu is indeed smiling upon as all this April for SaGa Month, which includes miracles such as the English language press not only talking about SaGa (!) but praising SaGa Frontier remastered(!!). Naturally, I am avoiding it in favor of RomaSaGa 2. But I have questions!

1. Will my territories eventually ditch me for being too soft? I am a nice emperor, and rather than pound the armed merchant ship captain and steal his boat, I freed some enslaved miners and cleaned his cargo hold instead. I want to be nice.

2. Do weapons intuitively relate to job type? I'm assuming that my heavy solider should be good with swords and bad with bows or spears, but it's not really clear how the job relates to individual weapon skill levels or equippable stuff. Like, what makes this speedy but weak thief a thief?

3. Is there an advantage to having each character use multiple weapons most of the time? I have a martial artist with no weapons at all who is good at punching and kicking people, but should he also be learning to use weapons? And do two-handed swords actually prevent you from properly using multiple weapons or shields like FFVI?

4. I have the magic research lab but magic besides healing Holy magic still sucks. How long do I have to use Holy and Wind types (which the Iggy-sama archives tell me are best) before they are fun?

5. Everyone always talks about the secret mermaid. Am I going to accidentally miss the secret mermaid? I will be very annoyed if I do.





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"Re(1):SaGa Month is the new Earth Day" , posted Mon 19 Apr 19:00post reply

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1. Will my territories eventually ditch me for being too soft? I am a nice emperor, and rather than pound the armed merchant ship captain and steal his boat, I freed some enslaved miners and cleaned his cargo hold instead. I want to be nice.

No, once they're part of your empire, they stay, unless specific events happen and wreak havoc in the region (there's only 2 events like that I believe).

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2. Do weapons intuitively relate to job type? I'm assuming that my heavy solider should be good with swords and bad with bows or spears, but it's not really clear how the job relates to individual weapon skill levels or equippable stuff. Like, what makes this speedy but weak thief a thief?

Nothing, really. Thieves will probably have higher speed and generally start with short sword skills, but they can also occasionally get other stuff (bows sometimes?).
But basically, when you hire a character, look at their stats. Does this specific thief have high Int? Then you can just teach her Fire magic and burn the entire world with her if you want.
There are some difference with some jobs being more likely to learn certain skills I believe, but honestly, it's super minimal so you can ignore that.

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3. Is there an advantage to having each character use multiple weapons most of the time? I have a martial artist with no weapons at all who is good at punching and kicking people, but should he also be learning to use weapons? And do two-handed swords actually prevent you from properly using multiple weapons or shields like FFVI?

No, once a character is focused on something, leave him there. Especially because your goal should be to raise the level of that stat for the next generation, so if you spread them thin, they won't raise it that much. Also, the more techniques they spark this generation, the more will be available in the library for the next one and it will be easier to manage your list for your characters. Interestingly for martial artists, punch and kicks have two different learning sets (so if you keep kicking, you'll end up learning better kicks). I don't think the same applies to throws yet, I think it's a RS3 thing.
However, while focusing on something is better, it will be useful to teach everyone some basic healing spell (water, or when you unlock Earth Heal or Moonlight, those). Even someone dumb as a rock can benefit from being able to heal his teammates. You can also give them potions of course, but that's more micromanagement than I like.
As for the shield question, if a character is equipped with a single handed sword and a double handed one, whether or not they'll be able to use a shield depends on which weapon they use at the beginning of the round. If on that round they use the single handed one, then the shield is in their other hand and the double handed one is in the vast black hole they carry in their bag. And then next round it can be the other way around if you like.

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4. I have the magic research lab but magic besides healing Holy magic still sucks. How long do I have to use Holy and Wind types (which the Iggy-sama archives tell me are best) before they are fun?

Yes. I mean, no, Wind is only useful early on and then falls down pretty quickly, while Earth is the opposite and you should try to raise it to the 4th spell at least. Light is stupidly strong. The third fire spell has its use, and the 5th one is very powerful. Water has a lot of utility to it.
Each school learns more spells as the magic level raises (so, something like... the second spell is around 17, the fourth is around 25, and the fifth is around 30? something like that).

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5. Everyone always talks about the secret mermaid. Am I going to accidentally miss the secret mermaid? I will be very annoyed if I do.

You may miss her if you wait too long! You should talk more to the people of the town that wander outside to see if they have more to say about it.


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On another topic... God, Frontier 1 still sucks HARD.
The remaster is a valiant effort to fix some of its issues, but it made me realize that "they didn't have the time to finish it" is not a proper excuse for the game when the art style, from the very beginning, is just an unreadable mess. The fact they got rid of the grid makes moving around a chore, plus they made everyone (enemies as well as the player) move at SF2T speed which makes avoiding enemies entirely based on luck rather than skill, even though RS2 and then 3 made that part (skillfully avoiding enemies by learning their patterns) part of the fun of exploration.
They captured lightning in a bottle in RS2, perfected it in RS3, and then decided to ignore everything they learned when moving to Frontier 1. I really don't understand how they ended up there.
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"Re(2):SaGa Month is the new Earth Day" , posted Tue 20 Apr 04:01post reply

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On another topic... God, Frontier 1 still sucks HARD.
The remaster is a valiant effort to fix some of its issues, but it made me realize that "they didn't have the time to finish it" is not a proper excuse for the game when the art style, from the very beginning, is just an unreadable mess. The fact they got rid of the grid makes moving around a chore, plus they made everyone (enemies as well as the player) move at SF2T speed which makes avoiding enemies entirely based on luck rather than skill, even though RS2 and then 3 made that part (skillfully avoiding enemies by learning their patterns) part of the fun of exploration.
They captured lightning in a bottle in RS2, perfected it in RS3, and then decided to ignore everything they learned when moving to Frontier 1. I really don't understand how they ended up there.
The PS1 generation was so, so bad.


Despite knowing better from spending time at the Cafe, I've gone ahead and bought Frontier 1 Remaster in the hopes that somehow I'd like it now, after being endlessly frustrated about it back in the 90's. I just... guh, the sprite work and the backgrounds, and even small things like the the way Red animates, are all just... I don't know, I guess I shouldn't have foolishly thought it might seem better, somehow. It's ambitious as hell, and has just so much going on all over the place, but sometimes ambition is misplaced.

I guess it's back to RS2, then, which I also own, along with RS3, but which I keep getting stalled out in.





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"Re(3):SaGa Month is the new Earth Day" , posted Tue 20 Apr 04:44post reply

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On another topic... God, Frontier 1 still sucks HARD.
The remaster is a valiant effort to fix some of its issues, but it made me realize that "they didn't have the time to finish it" is not a proper excuse for the game when the art style, from the very beginning, is just an unreadable mess. The fact they got rid of the grid makes moving around a chore, plus they made everyone (enemies as well as the player) move at SF2T speed which makes avoiding enemies entirely based on luck rather than skill, even though RS2 and then 3 made that part (skillfully avoiding enemies by learning their patterns) part of the fun of exploration.
They captured lightning in a bottle in RS2, perfected it in RS3, and then decided to ignore everything they learned when moving to Frontier 1. I really don't understand how they ended up there.
The PS1 generation was so, so bad.

Despite knowing better from spending time at the Cafe, I've gone ahead and bought Frontier 1 Remaster in the hopes that somehow I'd like it now, after being endlessly frustrated about it back in the 90's. I just... guh, the sprite work and the backgrounds, and even small things like the the way Red animates, are all just... I don't know, I guess I shouldn't have foolishly thought it might seem better, somehow. It's ambitious as hell, and has just so much going on all over the place, but sometimes ambition is misplaced.

I guess it's back to RS2, then, which I also own, along with RS3, but which I keep getting stal

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"Re(4):SaGa Month is the new Earth Day" , posted Tue 20 Apr 05:19post reply

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so SaGa was terrible at the outset on the PSX... what was the first SaGa game on post-SNES hardware that you thought was a genuinely good game, and not merely an interesting curiosity but too flawed to be much more than a collection of interesting but poorly executed ideas?
I understand from your very carefully worded question that you know my immediate answer will be Unlimited Sa:ga and you will not take my bait?
FINE, then, if one cannot have fun anymore on this board.

I guess the only real answer is Minstrel Song, then. It is a genuinely good game, extremely deep, taking the few elements of Romancing Saga 1 that didn't suck (the world and map) and added RS2 and 3 combat system with a healthy dose of elements from Unlimited Sa:ga (carefully choosing those would work well in such a game rather than, like, the stupid deterministic wheel). They also replaced the character art (for something worse) and the music (for something immensely better).

Wild Card is a blueprint for U:S (and officially not a Saga game, though we know better), and that leaves the interesting remake of Saga2 for Nintendo DS, and then Scarlet Grace which I consider potentially the best game of the series if nostalgia wasn't allowed a voice. Imperial Saga and Re:Universe are obviously out of the running.







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"Re(5):SaGa Month is the new Earth Day" , posted Tue 20 Apr 09:12post reply

Just as I foretold! For SaGa Month, it’s not just me and Iggy talking about SaGa, we have now approached the greater-than-or-equal-to-5 threshold of people talking about SaGa, which my distant memory of mathematics tells me rounds up to 10, which is DOUBLE DIGIT INTEREST!

Shogun Iggy, thank you for your RomaSaGa 2 advice, and please try not to think about all the fun I’m having while you are instead playing SaGa Frontier. I just know you are doing your cultist duty and getting all eight endings to please Emperor Kawazu so he blesses us with a new game by 2022, right? Right????

Just a Person, I actually think you will enjoy Frontier a lot since you were warm-hearted enough to enjoy the original, and the remaster really is prettier and the system adjustments are good!

Karasu, I’m so glad you’re back! As penance for being away, you must now beat Frontier with Lute without a strategy guide or the new in-game hints and all will be forgiven.

Fun stories from RomaSaGa 2 to avoid scaring off any potential New Believers with talk of SaGa Frontier: Yesterday some idiot wrecked the bridge I’d spent good money having built, and thought I might have to sail somewhere else to see what was happening on the other side. Instead, I accidentally stumbled into Cumberland and a royal succession battle, and helped the ailing king decide on the best successor (his beautiful and smart adult daughter who funds schools, of course), and then fight off a coup attempt. But apparently I could also have selected the underqualified son who was still a boy, to the delight of a scheming official, leading to near-war with the older son which I might’ve had to mediate…and then if I’d abandoned the son to his exploiters or just left town, I would’ve later found only a ruined post-coup castle haunted by the ghosts of both murdered sons. And these are all incidental NPCs! This is cool.
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first SaGa game on post-SNES hardware that you thought was a genuinely good game

I understand from your very carefully worded question that you know my immediate answer will be Unlimited Sa:ga and you will not take my bait?

This is all fine, but while we know that U:Saga is unplayable as an RPG without the special pre-order edition’s magical talking Iggy dakimakura that tells us what to do next (what’s that, only Toxico and I had one of those, you say? Err...), it is already a 100% success based on perfect music such as Overture, March in C, Space-Time Travels, and Wings that Soar Heavenward. You see, U:Saga is actually a rhythm game with psychedelic numbers and sprites in the background that just happen to be adjustable to play like an RPG if you really want. So in other words, it is one of the biggest successes in the modern music game genre and thus needs no qualification as the first great post-SFC SaGa game.





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