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"UNDEAD THREAD 2016" , posted Sat 15 Oct 11:34:post reply

WHATíS GOING ON IN THIS TOWN

Thatís right, kids, itís time for this yearís Undead Thread! Offer your scary gaming experiences/music/tales of missing posters as unholy sacrifice to revive the ghost of Undead Fred.* (*JJJ says Fred is doing just fine in his post-game life, but that's not scary, so whatever.)

For my part, I will report on my playthrough of brilliant Akumajou Dracula clone Rusty for the PC-98 now that GRAVE SAVED HALLOWEEN and helped me get it running.

Or I could reminisce about how itís still great to play the PSX Dracula X~Nocturne in the Moonlight with the lights out when you reach the basement, or how the Dark Lordís Castle in Chrono Trigger is the finest spooky dungeon in any RPG with its eerie townsfolk impersonators.

Or inevitably, we'll just talk about CV/Dracula, which is now tragicomically deader than the Grim Reaper boss.





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"Re(1):UNDEAD THREAD 2016" , posted Sat 15 Oct 12:57post reply

I have spent all week listening to castlevania OSTs and I have to say that I regret nothing!

Rusty is that little piece of Fortune Quest that our Castlevania dosis never required but always could make some use of.


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"Re(1):UNDEAD THREAD 2016" , posted Sat 15 Oct 21:05post reply

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WHATíS GOING ON IN THIS TOWN

Thatís right, kids, itís time for this yearís Undead Thread! Offer your scary gaming experiences/music/tales of missing posters as unholy sacrifice to revive the ghost of Undead Fred.* (*JJJ says Fred is doing just fine in his post-game life, but that's not scary, so whatever.)

For my part, I will report on my playthrough of brilliant Akumajou Dracula clone Rusty for the PC-98 now that GRAVE SAVED HALLOWEEN and helped me get it running.

Or I could reminisce about how itís still great to play the PSX Dracula X~Nocturne in the Moonlight with the lights out when you reach the basement, or how the Dark Lordís Castle in Chrono Trigger is the finest spooky dungeon in any RPG with its eerie townsfolk impersonators.

Or inevitably, we'll just talk about CV/Dracula, which is now tragicomically deader than the Grim Reaper boss.

I saw the ghost of ShyGuy appear in NSMB2, trying to sneak into mainline Mario games. Poor guy must be stuck in development void. Does that count?







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"Re(2):UNDEAD THREAD 2016" , posted Sat 15 Oct 23:18post reply

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I saw the ghost of ShyGuy appear in NSMB2, trying to sneak into mainline Mario games. Poor guy must be stuck in development void. Does that count?

It does! Wasn't he first in Yoshi's Island? I feel like that game had a lot of new ghosts and "haunted dusk" levels as opposed to "deep night" levels. 逢魔時, the witching hour, happens at dusk in Japanese rather than at midnight in English, you know! Speaking of NSMB, I hear Koopa's skeleton rises out of the lava in the first one, which is creepy and gross and un-Mario-like, so that's pretty scary!

Super Mario USA/"2" is probably still the most terrifying because of the speed of the evil mask who will chase you when you pick up a key. That, and having the usual giant hawk-head door turn out NOT to be a door in the last level and chase you instead.





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"Re(3):UNDEAD THREAD 2016" , posted Sun 16 Oct 05:43:post reply

By some strange coincidence, just as you posted this thread, Steam decided to update Sunless Sea, a game I had tried a little when it was in early access over a year ago. I had never played the finished version, and the update gave me some DLC for free, so I decided to give it another go.

The setting was simple, almost mundane: 30 years ago, during the reign of good Queen Victoria, the city of London was stolen by bats.
Its ruins now go to waste a mile below the surface, in a gigantic cave, deprived of light forever, surrounded by a seemingly infinite and bottomless ocean called the zee.
In that bleak setting, Eleonora Pavlovna (probably a fake name) decided to reinvent herself. She used her last pennies to buy a boat, hire some dubious types as a makeshift crew who were forced to call her "my lady" like she was born in a noble family (she wasn't), and embrace the dangerous life at large.
After stopping in a couple of ports, listening to stories of ancient glories rotting away and baseless rumours about ominous gods slumbering under the zee, she sold her reports to the Fallen London admiralty for some cash, but mostly for fame. One day, she was welcomed on land by a charming one-eyed fellow with a switch-blade, who offered her some suspiciously generous presents if she were to do some menial jobs for his boss; being well versed in the ways of this world, she gleefully accepted without asking questions.

Her adventures brought her deeper and deeper into the zee, visiting stranger and stranger places: a mushroom mine, a colony funded by rats, the decaying manor of oddly welcoming sisters, some mummified elders waiting to be brought to a sanatorium where they could finally rot in peace...
Each trip back to London, she would lay in her bed, in some cheap hotel, trying to fend off the nightmares while her crew was drowning theirs in cheap mushroom wine (and sometimes in the harbour). She had become affluent enough to hire some specialists on her crew along the way: some shady self-proclaimed doctor she would barely trust to not cut the wrong limb, a charming magician reconverted mechanist after a terrible incident robbed him of his hand and his career (she never dared to ask why losing a hand prevented him from being a magician, but not a mechanist) and a navigator with a strange tattoo on the forehead, the kind you would wake up with if you had fallen asleep in a pyjama party of naughty kids with an interest in the occult. She tried to ask him about it some time, but questions appeared to give him formidable headaches; it even looked like the tattoo grew larger the day after each conversation... probably an hallucination caused by the darkness at zee. She let him do his work without bothering him anymore.

She had bought a better ship too, with better canons to ward off the pirates and monstrosities one is always at risk to encounter out there (she would never laugh to a joke about giant enemy crab ever again). The irony of spending all your money in order to earn more money was not lost on her. It had become more and more difficult to please the admiralty while doing contraband on the side; she knew one day she would have to chose a side, or the choice would be done on her behalf in the most unpleasant way.

One day, she decided to embark with the smuggler's freight and go north, where dust falls like hail. Her crew was getting worried. They were a superstitious bunch, looking for omen in the sound of the wave or the flickering lights of a lighthouse. In order to shield herself from that nonsense, she started taking meals in her cabin with the one-handed mechanist. He would entertain her doing little tricks with his valid hand, and soon he spent the night in her cabin too.
For days they kept sailing through the frigid waters, with no sound other than the humming of the engines. Finally, the food reserves were gone. The crew had been eating sea monsters for a while (the giant jellyfleur's tentacles taste delicious the first time, when you still have taste buds)(or a tongue), but not a single angler crab was to be seen. The situation was growing desperate; angry rumours amongst the crew mixed with imaginary voices from below deck (what was in the smuggler's crates, in the end?). One of the voices did murmur something that gave her pause: "lose your mind, eat your crew".

A poor fellow fell down the mast that day, and after a moving elegy (one of her past lives was as poet, after all), she explained there was no other choice but to eat their former comrade. She was prepared to fight some resistance, but the crew accepted with a suspicious enthusiasm that made her worried. After dinner, she avoided to look them in the eyes and retreated in her cabin, alone. She was awaken by a sudden shout:
"Iceberg!"
She looked to the port side, and indeed, a pale silhouette could be seen in the distance. She ordered to stray away: being lost at sea was still preferable to being shipwrecked on a block of ice.

The following day, they found another body on the deck. "At least I didn't have to do anything this time", she said, wondering how she could face her crew during dinner that night.
"Iceberg!"
She looked again, and a similar silhouette was there, maybe bigger than the day before.
"It followed us! This is not ordinary rock! We are doomed!" shrieked one of the dimwits behind her. She made a mental note in case they still needed someone to eat the next day, and ordered to push the engines south. Hopefully warmer waters would allow more edible encounters.
"Iceberg straight ahead!"
How was that possible? It wasn't there a moment ago! She turned her head: the previous one had grown bigger behind them.
"Everyone, stay calm and..."
A loud noise covered the end of her sentence, and a violent vibration (a seaquake?) shook her to her bones.
"Engine dead!"
"Iceberg to starboard!"
A third pale shape had materialized there out of nowhere. Finally understanding the situation was desperate, she turned front ahead to the closer ice mountain and couldn't believe what she saw.
"Why would an iceberg need a mouth?" were her last words.





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"Re(4):UNDEAD THREAD 2016" , posted Sun 16 Oct 06:04post reply

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"Why would an iceberg need a mouth?"


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"Re(5):UNDEAD PLAYTHROUGH" , posted Sun 16 Oct 15:40post reply

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Iggy's dreadful voyage
At first I thought that you had made a comic-horror story out of mishaps in a ship exploration game, but then I realized it really is a HAUNTED ship exploration game!

Play through your other scary favorites here, if you want...and leave a journal with your last words.

Here's mine for Rusty, the finest of all Dracula clones. The real ghost story here is how the game really did come out slightly before Dracula X~Rondo of Blood, yet has serious resemblances from item crash down to certain new enemies like the walking Legion. Did a demonic sťance in Draculaís castle give obscure C-Lab the insight to clone a game which had not yet been released? Did C-Lab kill a man and take the plans for Rondo? We will never knowwww

So as whip-wielding demon hunter Rusty works her way through Transylvania towards Count Dracula's, ah, Count Montecarlo's Castle, punctuated by delightful Phantasy Star-esque still-screen animations, it's important to note that she does so in heels with an ass that is superior even to Simonís. Better still, even though she inherited the Belmontsí clumsy jumps, she also learned how to strut behind backgrounds like SFC (ďIVĒ) Simon, because itís important to be stylish when youíre facing any number of hellish bosses who might be hotter than you. And speaking of attractive but functional, those Game Boy Dracula Legend ropes arenít just for Rusty to wiggle playfully up, sheís also learned how to whip while climbing, unlike her idiot Belmont cousins.

And despite coming out shortly before the Dracula X series, Rusty had already learned to train a flying bird familiar like her distant cousin Maria AND to do that floaty shadow bunshin running thing that Alucard and later Belmonts did.

Whaaaaat? Whatís that, you say? The post-boss glowing orb is just a little TOO similar to Dracula? Maybe, but did the Belmonts ever do a cute pose while yelling ďI did it!Ē afterwards? Or give you a bromide of the girl you just rescued from becoming a vampire? I donít think so. And frankly, the map of the countryside between levels looks a lot better than Draculaís ever done.





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"Re(6):UNDEAD PLAYTHROUGH" , posted Sun 16 Oct 20:10post reply

I'm mostly posting because I feel bad for not posting on here for a while (but I still lurk often). Might not be a good horrifying story but between playing solid fun games that don't try to break new grounds like Gear of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3, or playing a bunch of random backwards compatible Xbox 360 games, I'm just enjoying how the Xbox One is a good encapsulation of video games in the year 2010 and I'm feeling content that games really haven't done much new the last 6 years or so...
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"Re(6):UNDEAD PLAYTHROUGH" , posted Sun 16 Oct 23:39post reply

I'm not sure if this fits into this topic, but recently I watched on YouTube some longplays for two horror games developed by an indie studio named Harvester Games: The Cat Lady and Downfall. Usually I'm not fond of this genre, but these games bring good plots and a nice balance of gore, psychological horror, insanity and the presentation of real-life situations, like depression, cancer and anorexia.

Apparently this studio is preparing another game for next year. I'm very curious to see how it turns out to be.





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"Re(7):UNDEAD PLAYTHROUGH" , posted Mon 17 Oct 03:24post reply

Horror is a weird genre for me, though horror is a weird genre in the first place.

I think horror for me is like RPG for many other people: it's really good as an ingredient in some other mix, but taking the stuff straight is a little too pungent.

The example, dated as it is, is that while I really liked the first Dead Space, I totally cannot handle slasher movies, and Dead Space features more blood and gore and mutilation than most moves would even dare have!

I quite like Berserk, Dorohedoro, pretty much anything by Dowman Sayman, Dark Souls, Aliens, etc. and those often have very strong horror vibes... but that can't be called straight horror pieces. While it is true that Berserk, Dorohedoro, and Dead Space all have the common feature of protagonists that are powerful enough to contend with the horror elements on their own terms, this is very much not the case of many Dowman pieces. Junji Ito's fall more into the category of horror being a force that others get caught up in and are largely incapable of resisting though they may struggle against it, which is more common with pure horror works.

There's been an argument laid forth out there on the internet that horror games are improved by having combat, because it mechanically enables the players to deal with a bigger variety of problems, and mechanically conveys how unstoppable a true big bad can be. I think that it's not necessarily combat that needs to be there, but rather having mechanics that enable a larger variety of responses to danger. If it is the case that you want the game to principally be about fleeing and staying out of sight, it's good to be able to have a variety of ways to go about doing that. When that isn't there, the "game" element of the game might stick out as a detriment to the experience.

SIREN had the hold tuning mechanic for intelligence gathering, which had an excellent horror vibe, althoguh the instant failure of being found was off-putting to many. The more recent Dead By Daylight multiplayer game allows the team of victims to interact with scripted environmental pieces that create obstacles for the villain player, obstacles which may or may not significantly slow down the victim team, but always slow down the villain. They have no means of actually fighting the villain, but they have a variety of means of evading him. But being able to truly fight off the villain or sinister force has the potential to be too empowering and detract from the horror that the scenario wishes to convey.

Of course, you could also have a game that contains no combat whatsoever, has extremely straightforward evasion or none at all, and still be an effective horror experience. PT feels very much modelled after those guided "house of horror" experiences you might find at a fair, where you are given constant little nudges to look at the environment and have a very linear path to follow. By guiding the player's attention in a directed fashion, you have a lot of power to set up jump scares or corner-of-the-eye elements. The Condemned series used the investigation conceit as a way of forcing the player to pay attention to and engage directly with gory aftermaths, and I think that in general the notion of investigation plays to how we as players engage with horror things : in our heads we're actively trying to piece together what's going on.

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"Re(8):UNDEAD PLAYTHROUGH" , posted Mon 17 Oct 05:19post reply

Thanks to the season at hand I have the urge to replay Stubbs the Zombie but I don't have the means. That may be for the best.
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Or give you a bromide of the girl you just rescued from becoming a vampire?

Her eye sockets extend down into her jaw! Aaahh!







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"Re(9):UNDEAD CING" , posted Mon 17 Oct 11:37post reply

How could I forget, the localized release of not-Kyle Hyde in a game made by not-CING was released just a few days ago!

I will likely finish it before I finish Last Window!

I am still haunted by Last Window!

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"Re(10):UNDEAD CING" , posted Tue 18 Oct 03:08post reply

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How could I forget, the localized release of not-Kyle Hyde in a game made by not-CING was released just a few days ago!

I will likely finish it before I finish Last Window!

I am still haunted by Last Window!

UNDEADDDDDDDD THREADDDDDDDDDD



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"Re(2):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Tue 18 Oct 10:56:post reply

The studio I work for has shut down today.

So that's one dead one, as opposed to one undead one.





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"Re(3):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Tue 18 Oct 11:19post reply

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The studio I work for has shut down today.

So that's one dead one, as opposed to one undead one.

Argh! The one plus side is that you may have some time to join the official Undead Thread playthrough series for Rusty or another game of your choosing. More ideally, though, said company will be rapidly revived through eldritch sorcery of the season, and return from the grave in another form, I hope!





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"Re(7):UNDEAD PLAYTHROUGH" , posted Tue 18 Oct 11:24post reply

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I'm not sure if this fits into this topic, but recently I watched on YouTube some longplays for two horror games developed by an indie studio named Harvester Games: The Cat Lady and Downfall. Usually I'm not fond of this genre, but these games bring good plots and a nice balance of gore, psychological horror, insanity and the presentation of real-life situations, like depression, cancer and anorexia.

Apparently this studio is preparing another game for next year. I'm very curious to see how it turns out to be.



There is actually a YouTube channel called Survival Horror Network. They do all horror game playthroughs with no commentary. I watched the Resident Evil games I have not been able to play. I must say this was a time saver. Love the channel name. As far as horror games go, Resident Evil Revelations 2 is the best horror game in the series for quite sometime. Simple but that chilly feeling you get playing brings RE back to its good old days.

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"Re(3):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Tue 18 Oct 12:30post reply

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The studio I work for has shut down today.

So that's one dead one, as opposed to one undead one.



Very sorry to hear. Were you involved in pork buns? ... Now I am glad I never sarcastically posted about the state of the games industry in this topic. I hope you find your place somewhere else.





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"Re(4):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Tue 18 Oct 12:54post reply

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The studio I work for has shut down today.

So that's one dead one, as opposed to one undead one.


Very sorry to hear. Were you involved in pork buns? ... Now I am glad I never sarcastically posted about the state of the games industry in this topic. I hope you find your place somewhere else.



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"Re(5):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Tue 18 Oct 17:11post reply

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The studio I work for has shut down today.

So that's one dead one, as opposed to one undead one.


Very sorry to hear. Were you involved in pork buns? ... Now I am glad I never sarcastically posted about the state of the games industry in this topic. I hope you find your place somewhere else.


"A man who never eats pork buns is never a whole man!"
Yeah, that was my studio.



That's really unfortunate. Some really cool stuff came out of UF. I'd heard good things about Smash+Grab as well (some of them from way before the project was announced).

I won't pry too much, but best of luck with whatever comes next.





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"Re(6):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Tue 18 Oct 20:15post reply

That really sucks.

Best of lucks to you and your colleagues.





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"Re(3):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Tue 18 Oct 20:40post reply

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The studio I work for has shut down today.

So that's one dead one, as opposed to one undead one.




Very sorry to hear about your studio, I hope the best for you. It's saddening and also a bit scary to hear a large independent studio closing down..







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"Re(4):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Tue 18 Oct 23:07post reply

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So that's one dead one, as opposed to one undead one.


Ugh, sorry to hear about that. Good luck on what comes next.







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"Re(3):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Wed 19 Oct 01:47post reply

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So that's one dead one, as opposed to one undead one.



I'm very sorry and saddened by the news. Best of luck spoon





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For the first publically minded Undead Thread ever, please join me as we perform strange incantations at demonic alters and sacrifice random villagers to revive United Front for Spoon.


Returning to the subject of undead playthroughs, Rusty continues to out-Dracula Konami even with a minimal budget by:

1. having me fight scary Legions before they appeared as a boss in Dracula X (!?!)

2. pitting me against a sorceress dominatrix who summons zombies out of the ground while diving through the floor in a vertical danger-column reflex test approximately on par with the last boss of Sonic 1 or Dracula in the 16-bit version ("IV"), all in level 2

3. enabling me to rescue various chix and see cinemas between every stage, not just level 1

4. having you accomplish the above to a truly superb Mega Drive-esque soundtrack that's halfway between Valis PCE and Dracula, which seems apt. It's enough to make you feel like a real Queen in the Dark Night! Though if you don't agree, together with the boss theme, I'll Destroy Your Mind!


Are you playing through a spooky game for October? I know you are. Chronicle it here. I'll know if you don't!





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"Re(1):incantation" , posted Thu 20 Oct 01:37post reply

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Returning to the subject of undead playthroughs, Rusty continues to out-Dracula Konami even with a minimal budget by:



Now that you've convinced me to WISE FROM MY GRABE I can report that yes, I agree wholeheartedly about Rusty! I'm so glad you managed to get it going and are playing it! I started writing out a whole thing about how it's too bad that there wasn't a followup, and that it didn't get ported to anything else, and that its lineage basically ended at this one game, but then I realized that it almost certainly did have a heavy influence on subsequent Castlevania titles. One that feels especially influenced is Bloodlines, but who can ever really say if there was even an awareness on the part of the folks at Konami? In any event, the only thing that makes Rusty less than perfect for me is the control system-- it doesn't feel as good as it should, it doesn't behave the way you'd think it should, and it just has a sense of old-fashionedness in a bad way.

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Are you playing through a spooky game for October? I know you are. Chronicle it here. I'll know if you don't!


So that's what that chill creeping over my spine is. Does Killer7 count? I bet it does! If so, I can recount the epic task of getting it working earlier this week:

1) Unbox GameCube proudly. It's been boxed since 2006 or so.
2) Discover there's no controller in the box. Ransack house looking for it. Find Wavebird, but no wired controller.
3) Go to connect GameCube to new TV and discover it only has RGB cable. TV only have HDMI and Component connectors.
4) Look on Internet and see that GameCube Component is proprietary and sells used for approximately $1,000,000.
5) Go to basement and find the box the Wii is stashed in. Discover cables and power supply aren't packed with it.
6) Spend an hour looking through random boxes and finally find Wii cables. Hook it up.
7) Discover that Wavebird has no batteries, and that I have no spare batteries. Spend time ransacking unused devices for batteries.
8) Power Wii on, insert game, find that batteries are dead in Wii controller. Go to store and buy batteries.
9) Return home, power on Wii, launch game, discover that Wavebird won't work. Unplug it, plug it back in. Mysteriously works.
10) Play game for half an hour before bedtime.





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So that's what that chill creeping over my spine is. Does Killer7 count? I bet it does! If so, I can recount the epic task of getting it working earlier this week:

Killer 7 is a great choice! I would replay it myself but my last household purge I got rid of my GameCube but, oddly enough, kept my copy of Killer 7. This means that all I can do is look at the cover and the bizarre little wafers the GC called disks. I didn't really think through that one.







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"Re(3):Re(10):speaking of undead studios...." , posted Fri 21 Oct 01:58post reply

How convenient, I don't even need to change my avatar. I'm seasonal!

I shared it with Maou, but this deserves to be seen by more people: the greatest arrangement of Bloody Tears

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The studio I work for has shut down today.

So that's one dead one, as opposed to one undead one.



Ohh no, that sucks. :(

I know it happens all the time but it never gets easier when it happens to you. Good luck with the hunt.







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"real ghost stories" , posted Fri 21 Oct 12:31post reply

Gather 'round the campfire, children, and uncle Maou will tell you a scary Halloween story. Shut up, no, it's not about Rusty, at least until I can beat level 4. This is a very scary true story that just happened this very week.

The other evening, perhaps at midnight, after playing a lot of Rusty (shut up, kids!) with my Saturn pad, I decided to play some SFV. After a few rounds in the lounge, I encountered a terrible sight: Necalli, the worst character in a mainline Street Fighter since at least SFIV, and possibly even since SFIII. I approached him warily, knowing that my hated enemy would be fearsome, if unstylish, even in his samurai outfit.

That's when something dreadful happened.

It was like the kanashibari paralysis nightmare effect. I moved to trip him, but instead Chun-Liís standing roundhouse came out. "Thatís odd," I thought. "I never do her standing roundhouse since the standing short kick is quicker anti-air. I must have just been flustered because I dislike him so muchÖit's probably nothing."

But then...her standing roundhouse kept coming out, even when I was pressing down. I broke into a cold sweat. Maybe my trusty Saturn pad was giving out after 10 years, and too much Rusty finished it off. Necalli started closing in, and, unthinkably, started winning. The classic loser's excuse had come true: my controller really was broken. I could no longer crouch. I could no longer block low. I frantically tried to get the down button to work.

The last thing I saw was Necalli coming nearer, glowing in his stupid V-trigger mode where he looks like a Troll.

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"Re(1):real ghost stories" , posted Sat 22 Oct 01:22post reply

REmake on PS4 is a free game for PS+, so grab it if you can!

I've always found forced camera perspective makes horror games more unsettling because I don't get to make the camera look away, and the camera is always designed to create the eeriest shot in any given place.

Not being able to move the camera around is partly frustrating, but it also gives this sense of being boxed in against your will in danger situations after years of having greater camera freedom.







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"your favorite grim reaper" , posted Sun 23 Oct 09:43:post reply

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it also gives this sense of being boxed in against your will in danger situations after years of having greater camera freedom.

This is a pretty great way of using technological limits/director preferences to improve the atmosphere!


For this week's undead celebrations, talk about your favorite battle with Death from any game!

The Dracula series is the most obvious, of course, and I adore the battle with Death atop the mast of the ghost ship in Dracula X because it feels the most duel-like of any Death battle in the series...it's not only more personal since you already ran into him during the brilliant stagecoach opening sequence, it's also got that great, grim little twist of him getting finished off with his own scythe at the end! That doesn't happen in Dracula XX, one of the countless reasons the SFC version is intolerable.

BUT: lately, it's the Wraith in Dragon's Crown who's stolen my (invincible undead) heart. The best boss theme in a game full of great boss themes, plus the sense of excitement and dread as he's chasing you invincibly through the catacombs until you can light a candle on a holy statue so you can damage him, until the candle burns out and you have to keep running...





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"Re(1):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Sun 23 Oct 10:33post reply

I've been fighting skeletons in the catacombs of Dark Souls 3, but the game is so much about being a stupendous badass that I can't say it's a terribly scary experience.

I think the existential dread that accompanies the job search makes it the most harrowing game experience in our safe urban life!







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"Re(2):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Sun 23 Oct 11:43post reply

Call me a hopeless romantic but I simply adored seeing Drac x Death in Portrait of Ruin. This is the true untold story from the series, if you ask me.

How did they meet? What do they discuss together? Who does the dishes?







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"Re(3):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Mon 24 Oct 04:20post reply

My favourite videogaming experience of Death remains Symphony of the Night.
No, not the fight: the initial banter at the beginning. Probably not very good in English, but the Japanese version has Death using all the possible servile keigo do humbly ask Alucard to not interfere, to which Alucard, as a spoiled son of the castle lord telling off a misbehaved servant who forgot his place, replies "piss off".
Death needs 3 or 4 super long ultra polite sentences to say "please don't go further" and Alucard's pompous answer is something like 知れたことだ。ここを通してもらう。

This is probably amongst my favourite videogame cutscenes.







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"Re(4):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Mon 24 Oct 05:29post reply

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This is probably amongst my favourite videogame cutscenes.



I know, right? It feels like at that time, finally videogame cut scenes left the realm of a school play and entered the realm of an university circle's production. The previous scene with Ritcher was also pretty cheezy and had that extra little something if you come into it right after Rondo of Blood's ending.

About Death incarnations, it is indeed very hard to choose one favourite; most of them rank quite high there since they are usually for about as interesting as the dracula fight; if I was forced to choose, between the mentioned cutscene and the ghost ship fight, I really can't decide.

Oh, and surprisingly; I liked quite a lot the japanese version of Death in Lords of Shadow. Death didn't came out as nicely on the english version, but Zobek was pretty nice on both languages, though.






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"Re(5):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Mon 24 Oct 08:50post reply

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I know, right? It feels like at that time, finally videogame cut scenes left the realm of a school play and entered the realm of an university circle's production. The previous scene with Ritcher was also pretty cheezy and had that extra little something if you come into it right after Rondo of Blood's ending.

True, the Shinigami scene wouldn't work so well if it didn't happen just after that Richer one. All in all, you could almost switch Richter and Alucard in these scenes: they are both random heroic main characters who despise their opponent, except one shouts about JUSTICE and the other is slightly annoyed to have to explain himself to the butler.
The big contrast comes from the way the other speaks to them: Dracula is his arrogant self mostly talking to himself and barely acknowledging Richter, while Shinigami speaks with all the precaution necessary to address his master's son. The whole introduction is really well done to tell you "for the first time, the main character is not a Belmont, and here is how he's different". After the gameplay difference you felt by going through the entrance of the castle, the cut scene shows the background difference, and the social status, upbringing and power of Alucard is entirely presented not through him, as Richter was with his own speech, but through Shinigami because a lord's son doesn't introduce himself, that's what servants are for.

I love that he is only barely more polite when he talks to these commoners Maria and Richter. Less rude than with Shinigami or Shaft, but not by a huge margin.

(Yes, I am slightly too invested in this cutscene compared to its actual quality, but it's a MMC thread so there's no reason not to).





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"Re(4):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Mon 24 Oct 22:19post reply

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My favourite videogaming experience of Death remains Symphony of the Night.
No, not the fight: the initial banter at the beginning. Probably not very good in English, but the Japanese version has Death using all the possible servile keigo do humbly ask Alucard to not interfere, to which Alucard, as a spoiled son of the castle lord telling off a misbehaved servant who forgot his place, replies "piss off".
Death needs 3 or 4 super long ultra polite sentences to say "please don't go further" and Alucard's pompous answer is something like 知れたことだ。ここを通してもらう。

This is probably amongst my favourite videogame cutscenes.


Here is the scene in question, with the Japanese voiced dialogue superposed on an English translation, to demonstrate Iggy's point. I was puzzled at the faithfulness of the translation but I finally realized it's a new fan translation patched on the Japanese version (unless they took the Xbox360 version's script?). The famously cheezy original translation conveys the right information about what is being spoken, but loses the entire subtlety of their relationship as described above by Iggy.

I am not really playing any ghastly game right now, unless you count all those deceased and spirits coming back to testify in the interminable Gyakuten Saiban 6. But when it comes to memorable encounters with Death, mine would be that ol' friend you meet pretty much at every corner of Shadowgate. Also, shout out to Specter Knight!

On the same topic, that pretty cool Youtube critic Lindsay had a good Loose Canon episode on Death as a character in Western fiction. Unfortunately it doesn't tackle video games (even Western ones) but she never does so I just assume she doesn't feel comfortable analyzing a medium she knows less about.





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"Re(5):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Tue 25 Oct 08:49post reply

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My favourite videogaming experience of Death remains Symphony of the Night.
No, not the fight: the initial banter at the beginning. Probably not very good in English, but the Japanese version has Death using all the possible servile keigo do humbly ask Alucard to not interfere, to which Alucard, as a spoiled son of the castle lord telling off a misbehaved servant who forgot his place, replies "piss off".
Death needs 3 or 4 super long ultra polite sentences to say "please don't go further" and Alucard's pompous answer is something like 知れたことだ。ここを通してもらう。

This is probably amongst my favourite videogame cutscenes.


Hah, I was never aware of the difference between the JP and US versions! It certainly makes a lot more sense now that I know about it!

I was tempted to suggest that Symphony of the Night's Death battle is my favorite, and I do really like the depiction of Death in that game, with its close accuracy to 17th and 18th century religion depictions of Death, but really my favorite has to be the one in the PS1 remaster of the X68000 remaster of the very first game.

From the weird-ass effects in the stage, to the incredible music I think Castlevania Chronicle had an excellent and underappreciated Death battle!

I also have a candidate for the most irritating Death battle-- the one from Bloodlines, which I will be happy to never attempt again, which is a shame, because otherwise it's a pretty great game!





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"Re(6):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Tue 25 Oct 13:02post reply

CV1 Death battle is always in my mind because it was so hard. The lead up to it featured enemies that would all do 4HP damage whether they were armored axe knights or medusa heads (so 1/4 of your HP per hit!), and Death would also do 1/4 of your HP per hit! And he made all these scythes fly in from crazy directions that were really hard to do anything about, and he himself might drift into you while you're dealing with all those damn scythes.

If you had the triple shot holy water, you could just blow him up, but if you didn't you were in for a ride.

There are few if any boss fights in later CV games which are as hard as that one. Well, the Dracula fight in the SNES Dracula X was really damn hard, too. Has there been a Dracula fight as hard as that one since?







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"Re(7):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Tue 25 Oct 19:26post reply

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If you had the triple shot holy water, you could just blow him up, but if you didn't you were in for a ride.

I used to do it with the triple cross, throwing those around at different height and hoping they would clean the scythes and damage him while I was busy staying alive.





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"Re(6):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Tue 25 Oct 19:32post reply

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The big contrast comes from the way the other speaks to them: Dracula is his arrogant self mostly talking to himself and barely acknowledging Richter, while Shinigami speaks with all the precaution necessary to address his master's son. The whole introduction is really well done to tell you "for the first time, the main character is not a Belmont, and here is how he's different". After the gameplay difference you felt by going through the entrance of the castle, the cut scene shows the background difference, and the social status, upbringing and power of Alucard is entirely presented not through him, as Richter was with his own speech, but through Shinigami because a lord's son doesn't introduce himself, that's what servants are for.

I love that he is only barely more polite when he talks to these commo

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Wow you've made me realise that although I've logged hundreds of hours into that game, I've never truly experienced it as it was meant to be.

That exchange sounds amazing. It was 100% lost in the US translation. In general, Americans aren't great at understanding class distinctions and the nuances of formal hierarchical communication (though they are very real and impact everyday life for everyone).

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Wizardr: Tale of the Foresaken Land and Dragon's Dogma have particularly great, intense encounters with the grim reaper. I've spent much more time observing those games than actually playing them though, so I'm sure someone else can better explain why they were so good.






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"Re(7):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Wed 26 Oct 05:42post reply

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In general, Americans aren't great at understanding class distinctions and the nuances of formal hierarchical communication (though they are very real and impact everyday life for everyone).



Keep in mind that this is a nation that explicitly sought to eliminate aristocracy as a feature of government, even though in practical terms it remains here and there. There do exist titles which are either related to role or to respect (e.g. Mister President, Dr., Sir, Ma'am, etc.), but you can see that the deference doesn't come with a wide variety of formal language constructs. An inferior will address a superior as "Sir" or by their title in the military, but the form of address doesn't change whether the person is one or two or however many ranks above them.

I get the feeling that trying to address practical aristocrats in the USA with language that would reflect the servility expressed in other cultures would come across as artificial and obsequious. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. The same would be true in Canada, and I think Canadians would like to keep it that way.

The absence of granularity sometimes feels very weird, though. I remember that while in the university in Philadelphia as a student that a number of the cleaning staff would address me as "sir", and it made me feel a little uncomfortable: after all, I have done nothing to command this title of respect from that person, nor am I in any position to do so. It's not like I was older than those staff, either!







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"Re(8):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Wed 26 Oct 08:22post reply

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The absence of granularity sometimes feels very weird, though. I remember that while in the university in Philadelphia as a student that a number of the cleaning staff would address me as "sir", and it made me feel a little uncomfortable: after all, I have done nothing to command this title of respect from that person, nor am I in any position to do so. It's not like I was older than those staff, either!


I often have that feeling at work. I can't decide if it is worse coming from kids nearly half my age, or new-ish employees that are near my age.

I don't know that more granularity would really help in day to day life though. Most of it is rote usage anyway more than real meaning. You use X when talking to Y, if Y is your Z. It ultimately seems more useful for third parties than for the two who are directly communicating.







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"Re(9):your favorite grim reaper" , posted Wed 26 Oct 12:38post reply

Yes, yessss, these Death stories are splendid! Soon I will have collected enough of them to revive my dark master thoroughly entertain myself for the season. And thanks to Gieflos, I now realize there was an official Dracula x Death pairing!

Spoon's right about the profound difficulty of Death in the first game just because of that impossible corridor before him. This sort of set the stage for Dracula being easier to beat than Death in later games, too, or at least in X68000/Chronicle, which features the same stage and the same insane Medusa/Axe Knight gauntlet as I recall.

Iggy, you've reminded me of the unobtrusive story touches that add so much to Nocturne in the Moonlightís atmosphere. I was barely even paying attention when I was a kid ("huh, Death's speech sure is old-fashioned...ah, whatever, must be because he's old"), other than to think that Maria's dialogue was anachronistically modern. Note too how that same scene in the courtyard features impaled bodies in the background that were the real-life Dracula's trademark.

You'll recall there's a similarly revealing dialogue with Death in the inverse castle's catacombs, where he's wearing a lame puffier purple robe (maybe it's a parka and he's cold down there) rather than the great look that Karasu noted. Similar vibe, along these lines. Death: "I beseech you once more, for your honored father's sake, withdraw from here." Alucard: "Sod off." Death: "Then there is no choice. For the sake of my master, I shall claim your soul."

More thongs, less Death: Back to your seasonal Rusty programming

Returning to the Belmonts' secret cousin, Rusty continues to impresse with grade-A Valis-style peppy tunes for ascending the expected chapel level.

While on one hand, I'm almost positive I've seen that castle somewhere before, and while Rusty seems to share Simon's bad luck with collapsing floors, no pre-Richter Belmonts ever got their own attractive cinema for it, let alone a unique one-shot falling sprite. While Simon had the wisdom not to fall head-first on his way to the inevitable cavern level, at least Rusty still looks great when she gets to her feet. Plus the Belmonts never learned how to ride a haunted mine cart with insanely catchy music.

Occasional cuts back to the besieged villagers wondering how you're doing at rescuing their women from the Count provide a sense of progress and setting, and the cool transforming female water sprites in the aqueduct maze attack you to seriously cool music .

To top it off, there's even a corrupted vampire hunter you face periodically, once again predating Dracula X and Richter's brainwashing in Nocturne in the Moonlight somehow?!





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"MMCafe X: Rusty in the Moonlight" , posted Sat 29 Oct 15:00post reply

Now that Halloween is upon us, and because the Cafe is so classy nowadays, itís time to join Count Orlok in listening to the Dance of Pearls, the most refined piece out of the Nocturne in the Moonlight soundtrack.

In the spirit of the season, Rusty soldiers onto the clock tower, regrettably designed for a more evolved Belmont rather than someone with terrible jump detection and rope climbing physics. Horrifying sacrifices (and save states) later, Rusty at least gets to advance to a beautiful moonlit bridge at the top, complete with a terrifying giant gashadokuro super-skeleton to fight, straight out the Kuniyoshi painting, who attacks you while Legions come streaming out of the crypt beneath him. I donít think that any pre-Metroidvania games had a boss this big.

Rusty squares off again against the corrupted vampire hunter, who suggests that he quit the job after his family was persecuted for his hunter abilities. If you use your imagination, you can assume heís a Belmont since persecution for their strange powers goes back to at least Ralph C. BelmontÖand this is already a high-end Dracula doujin game, so why not! The best music in the game plays while he very sportingly gives you the key to free the rest of the Countís captives.

Rusty goes on to fight Bloody Mary, queen of the monster clan attempting to revive the Count. Rusty promptly steamrolls her after concluding that she is not nearly hot enough to pose a true threat to Rustyís superior leather.

After heading up a highly familiar staircase, Rusty gets to face the Count, who tries the SFC (ďIVĒ) variation of Draculaís first form, then ditches it for full-on Makaimura jump-on-the-hands/platform mode. He gets wasted anyway, but at least thereís really cool music while he does. Chronologically, he officially beat Dracula to giving actual speeches rather than simply hopping out of his throne/casket to fight.

After rescuing the last girl in a reunion sequence thatís happier and more elaborate than the usual crumbling castle scene, Rusty and her heroic thong decide itís time to hit the road again, but not before waving goodbye using Richterís exact pose, several months before he did. Whatís the truth behind Rustyís predictive powers? It is a TRUE HALLOWEEN MYSTERY





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"Re(1):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 00:52post reply

Castlevania seems to be as hard to kill off as old Drac himself because it's now going to receive an animated adaptation on Netflix.





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"Re(2):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 01:01post reply

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I think it's gonna be live action actually. They've been talking about making it like Game of Thrones.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/castlevania-tv-show-is-r-rated-as-fk-similar-to-ga/1100-6447696/

I sure wouldn't mind if it was a rated-R animated series though!

As long as it's not some BS "Dracula and the Belmonts have come to our modern times!" setup, I'll give it a shot!






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"Re(3):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 01:22post reply

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE, it's the truest undead thread we have ever had, unaffected by the passage of four months!

And here I thought everyone was coming in to deliver their reports on how they'd played and loved Rusty

A live-action show based on a dead series based on decades-/century-old American and German horror movies? It will almost certainly be awful, but I do appreciate the necromancy theme here. Didn't Netflix also host a weird American-made sequel to GoLion/"Voltron," fittingly in the tradition of weird American substitute sequels like Snake's Revenge and Final Fight Revenge?

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"Re(3):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 01:35post reply

Great, this comes right when I'm in the middle of my Dracula rediscovery (second day of Sougetsu No Jujika now). I'll be waiting for this!!





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"Re(3):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 01:37post reply

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Castlevania seems to be as hard to kill off as old Drac himself because it's now going to receive an animated adaptation on Netflix.


I think it's gonna be live action actually. They've been talking about making it like Game of Thrones.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/castlevania-tv-show-is-r-rated-as-fk-similar-to-ga/1100-6447696/

I sure wouldn't mind if it was a rated-R animated series though!

As long as it's not some BS "Dracula and the Belmonts have come to our modern times!" setup, I'll give it a shot!



Netflix itself is saying animated, so I'm reasonably sure it's animated. And being a "dark medieval fantasy" sounds like it won't be lost in modern day silliness either, thankfully.

Only 4 episodes, though. So it's more or less a movie split into 4 parts, assuming each episode is standard length.







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"Re(3):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 01:40:post reply

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I think it's gonna be live action actually. They've been talking about making it like Game of Thrones.


CG whips! I guess after that Marco Polo show finally rolled over and died they are trying a different approach for Netflix's version of Game of Thrones.

EDIT: Never mind! So the show will be from Frederator Studios? That's interesting.





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"Re(4):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 05:19post reply

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I think it's gonna be live action actually. They've been talking about making it like Game of Thrones.

CG whips! I guess after that Marco Polo show finally rolled over and died they are trying a different approach for Netflix's version of Game of Thrones.

EDIT: Never mind! So the show will be from Frederator Studios? That's interesting.



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BUT STILL. A rated R ultra violent cartoon sounds GREAT!

I wonder if they got this gig cos they also made the Ape Escape cartoon (that I had no idea existed) and Ape Escape was in MGS which was a Konami ga--I should go to bed.

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"Re(5):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 07:24post reply

F, Frederator? Is this where Undead Fred went?
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"Re(4):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 10:28post reply

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Didn't Netflix also host a weird American-made sequel to GoLion/"Voltron," fittingly in the tradition of weird American substitute sequels like Snake's Revenge and Final Fight Revenge?



It was actually really good! I encourage you to watch if you get the chance. It is a full remake though and not a sequel, borrowing equally from GoLion and Voltron, as well as adding new content. My only complaint is it doesn't have anything remotely resembling a rousing theme song like 80s Voltron did.

The sequel you're probably thinking of is Voltron Force, which was Nickelodeon and not Netflix. It was terrible, despite having a concept of modular Voltron configurations that SHOULD have been awesome. The quality confused me greatly considering it followed close on the heels of reboots of Masters of the Universe and Thundercats that were both great.

As for Castlevania, anything that says the series is alive is a win. Unless it turns out like Lords of Shadow. Then I would weep bloody tears.





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"Re(4):MMCafe X: Rusty in the Netflix" , posted Fri 10 Feb 21:38post reply

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CG whips! I guess after that Marco Polo show finally rolled over and died they are trying a different approach for Netflix's version of Game of Thrones.

EDIT: Never mind! So the show will be from Frederator Studios? That's interesting.



Seeing how Adventure Time has handled stuff like its Lich, general cosmology and undelying messed-upness of its Candy Kingdom, I figure Castlevania could be in good hands, if similar sensibilities are at play, and compounded with classic Castlevania aesthetics to boot.





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