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"Random Thread: Nongaming Edition VI" , posted Mon 24 Jul 18:23post reply

The summer heatwave.
SO HOT I can't bare be near a PC

https://twitter.com/shiohitoshi/status/887506947431321600

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"Re(1):Random Thread: Nongaming Edition VI" , posted Tue 25 Jul 10:13post reply

During a recent heat wave in this part of the world I found I had to splash water on the steering wheel of my car before driving to keep from burning my hands. Unless they were intentionally trying to make duck soup it looks like someone forgot to hydrate their co-pilot. What a fowl trick.







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"Re(2):Random Thread: Nongaming Edition VI" , posted Tue 25 Jul 11:30post reply

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SO HOT I can't bare be near a PC
Don't worry, Prof, you don't have to bare anything, unless you've lost too many rounds of strip mahjong on the fifth floor of that arcade! Time to flee to Shounan...
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had to splash water on the steering wheel of my car before driving to keep from burning my hands.
What a fowl trick.

Burning steering wheel or not, when it comes to puns and Marx Brothers references like that, Naganuma Hideki wants you to know that you are a winner and got a hot hand, funky dealer that you are.





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"The Greatest Article About the Ducktales Song" , posted Fri 11 Aug 02:42post reply

This is an amazing article!

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"Re(1):The Greatest Article About the Ducktale" , posted Fri 11 Aug 03:21post reply

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This is an amazing article!

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From Vanity Fair no less!

I'm glad this thread is only about ducks.







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"attn: Chaz re: LCD Soundsystem" , posted Thu 17 Aug 01:26post reply

What is your opinion on this, or are they already too demode to be worth being interested in unironically?







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"Re(2):The Greatest Article About the Ducktale" , posted Thu 17 Aug 10:13post reply

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I'm glad this thread is only about ducks.

While Spoon has broken the ducks-only theme (short answer: LCD is...acceptable, but why more?), I am here to bring it back on track: that article is fun, but ye gods, look at how awful that new Duck Tales looks compared to the original.

One of the joys about getting older and complaining about new things is that occasionally you're objectively right. Just like how the lower-budget, featureless faces of the CG/eroge-looking anime junk on TV now just doesn't have the same production values as anime in the 1980s and 1990s, this is demonstrably worse. I realize that Americans don't know how to draw by hand any more, that the brave and traditionally drawn Princess and the Frog didn't make enough, and that portions of the original Ducktales were drawn in Japan, but come on.





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"Re(3):The Greatest Article About the Ducktale" , posted Thu 17 Aug 17:05post reply

quote:

I'm glad this thread is only about ducks.
While Spoon has broken the ducks-only theme (short answer: LCD is...acceptable, but why more?), I am here to bring it back on track: that article is fun, but ye gods, look at how awful that new Duck Tales looks compared to the original.

One of the joys about getting older and complaining about new things is that occasionally you're objectively right. Just like how the lower-budget, featureless faces of the CG/eroge-looking anime junk on TV now just doesn't have the same production values as anime in the 1980s and 1990s, this is demonstrably worse. I realize that Americans don't know how to draw by hand any more, that the brave and traditionally drawn Princess and the Frog didn't make enough, and that portions of the original Ducktales were drawn in Japan, but come on.



I haven't seen yet the new DuckTales episodes, but the art style is really bad.
Somewhere I read an interview where someone said this new design is more in line with current people "tastes", well there are like 2 million american show with the same squared, simple, uninspired, easy to draw, style.
Heck, recently I saw also a fucking Scooby Doo show redesigned to look like one of this new Disney style cartoon. It was horrible style-wise (content-wise I can't speak, I can't stand that series, so didn't see enough to comment on it).







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"Re(4):The Greatest Article About the Ducktale" , posted Fri 18 Aug 02:53post reply

I'm of two minds about the ducks. First, I can understand why the creators of this new show would want to have a different visual style. From what I've read it sounds like they are changing around the formula a bit, such as giving Huey, Dewey and Louie different personalities instead of the three of them having identical outfits and brain patterns. Having a different art style is a visual reminder that this is a new project and shouldn't be constantly compared what came before. While the art style looks like something on a greeting card it doesn't look horrible in motion and appears to be consistently thought through instead of simply being cheap.

The thing is, when Scrooge McDuck and the group were created 70 or so years ago they got it right the first time. These characters and their adventures have stuck around for so long because they're good. Will this new variation feel dated in a few years? Will it be like how the early Lupin episodes feel timeless but the latter entries where the master thief became fascinated with the movie Flashdance feel horribly old?

Ultimately it doesn't matter what I think since I'm not the target audience. But even though I'm closer to the age range of Uncle Scrooge instead of the nephews I'll still be curious to see how this all plays out.





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"Masked crusaders working overtime" , posted Fri 18 Aug 10:20:post reply

quote:
This is an amazing article!

Suddenly I had thoughts about talbaineric...



Thanks for the link! It comes right at a time when I was getting the vibes for some nostalgic stuff.

By the way, does anyone remember the 1980's show/comic M.A.S.K.? It was like GIJoe and Transformers stripped of content and mended together with Krazy glue. Never could've I forseen the ressurection of the franchise, but also getting ducktaped with those two series.





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"Re(1):Masked crusaders working overtime" , posted Fri 18 Aug 11:43post reply

Sure do! Fantastic theme song, love to sing it at karaoke but nobody seems to get the reference. Hasbro has been keen to bring back MASK (as well as a few other franchises) a few times now but it's never seemed to catch on:
- "Specialist Trakker" got a GI Joe toy in 2008
- Unit:E was the first attempt at unifying the Hasbro'verse in 2011
- MASK provided the truck that Optimus based his new vehicle mode on in the latter portion of Transformers Prime (2013)





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"Re(2):Masked crusaders working overtime" , posted Fri 18 Aug 13:41post reply

quote:
Sure do! Fantastic theme song, love to sing it at karaoke but nobody seems to get the reference. Hasbro has been keen to bring back MASK (as well as a few other franchises) a few times now but it's never seemed to catch on:
- "Specialist Trakker" got a GI Joe toy in 2008
- Unit:E was the first attempt at unifying the Hasbro'verse in 2011



Of course he would get a figure. Trakker's gonna lead the mission....

But why didn't they make a Spectrum toy?
I mean, he's got that
suuuuuuperrrrr visssionnnn.....

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"Re(2):Masked crusaders working overtime" , posted Fri 18 Aug 17:39post reply

quote:
Hasbro has been keen to bring back MASK (as well as a few other franchises) a few times now but it's never seemed to catch on:
- Unit:E was the first attempt at unifying the Hasbro'verse in 2011



Ok, GIJoe and Transformers crossed lots of time, somewhat make sense to cross them with M.A.S.K., but Jem?!?
Please, leave Jem alone, and give me a worthy reboot/sequel...







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"Re(3):Masked crusaders working overtime" , posted Fri 18 Aug 18:19post reply

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Ok, GIJoe and Transformers crossed lots of time, somewhat make sense to cross them with M.A.S.K., but Jem?!?
Please, leave Jem alone, and give me a worthy reboot/sequel...



I've read good impressions of the newer Jem standalone comic series.

On the wider Hasbro verse thing, I'm all for interesting crossovers, and the comics medium has delivered many and interesting cases these past few years, but I'm not familiar enough with some of these series to appreciate them, altough they'd have a hard time being worse than a recent Street Fighter/G.I. Joe one where they made Rufus the Psycho-Power-enhanced final boss...





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"Re(2):Masked crusaders working overtime" , posted Sat 19 Aug 01:08post reply

quote:
- Unit:E was the first attempt at unifying the Hasbro'verse in 2011


They tried to incorporate Candy Land into a shared fictional universe?!?





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"Re(3):Masked crusaders working overtime" , posted Sat 19 Aug 01:42post reply

Well I never said first SUCCESSFUL attempt :)





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"Re(1):attn: Chaz re: LCD Soundsystem" , posted Sat 19 Aug 12:57:post reply

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What is your opinion on this, or are they already too demode to be worth being interested in unironically?



Hi Spoon, sorry I was very busy with work (and Dragon Quest XI) recently so I have missed MMC for a while. I did not remember that I had mentioned / we had discussed LCD Soundsystem here in the past!

The article seems to date from last June, so at the time I think it was understandable to adopt a dubious approach about the merit of their return and their capacity to produce an interesting project in 2017. I think there is always a worry about why would you bring back something which was pretty much the perfect representation of a specific timeframe of pop culture. When their next project is a lesser work, it's also an echo of their fanbase's own fall in relevance in culture, which is never fun to think about. On that point, I am not expecting LCDS to ever produce an album as relevant as Sound of Silver or This is Happening. Hell, I am not even expecting albums to be relevant. Teens are probably as perplexed by the concept of "albums" as I was about "scopitones" when I was their age.

LCD was most interesting and relevant as a band encapsulating the rise of Williamsburg's prominence in American pop culture, and its wide impact on a lot of WASP counter-culture from the G.W.Bush administration: the Portland exodus, the massive improvement of cuisine culture in the US, American Apparel, the rise of Vice as a media empire, the relaxing attitude towards drugs, the de-diabolization of socialist activism in the US etc. Sound of Silver is a cultural peak of that era and I am not surprised it came right about as the USA shifted back to a Democratic administration and the Yes We Can! agitprop.

LCD's work was obviously less relevant under the calm (and let's be honest culturally complacent) Obama era, which saw popular culture more impacted by technological innovation (Netflix, Uber, Youtube, Grinder/Tinder, the rise and fall of successive SNS, Bitcoins etc.) than the cultural contents which they broadcasted. LCD did not have so much to bring to this cultural revolution, in the way that OK Go understood the newfound importance of video performance for example, or in the way young black artists took over the Internet to reach a broader audience cheaper and faster than through the hoops of traditional labels which either imposed commercial or regional barriers in the past. So it made sense that LCD fade away after This is Happening, which always sounds to me like the 65m35s victory lap of that generation.

But recently, social activism in the US has been getting more "interesting", to say the least. Under this new context of social unrest, there is necessarily going to be a explosion of creative output. I would rather hope and expect the output comes from minorities rather than white males rooting for them; in its own way Despacito in an interesting phenomenon counter to the narrative of the recent culture wars and wall-building proposals, and I would bet #BlackLivesMatter will give rise to some interesting artistic endeavours from teenagers who grew up under the stress and energy of these social engagements.

I don't expect (and would not hope for the United States of America) that LCD Soundsystem would be at the forefront of this new cultural dynamic, but their return makes much more sense in the current atmosphere of doubting the government, media, technology, neighbours and oneself. The three tracks we've heard so far go from alright to great in my book.

I actually went to Fuji Rock 2017 in order to see LCD Soundsystem in concert a few weeks ago. I am not a concert buff and had never done so until they broke up. I felt very stupid at the time for missing out on the chance to see them live, so I did not want to miss one more (one last?) chance to see the band perform. The festival was a messy, exhausting experience under an unforgiving thunderstorm. But the two hours long, rainy and sweaty, midnight in the middle of the forest LCD Soundsystem concert was mindblowingly good. They struck all the hits (besides Drunk Girls), the playset's order was on point, Murphy was charming and self-depreciating about playing the new songs, (it was the first time anyone in the crowd heard 'Tonite' which is a bonified dancefloor hit when you are surrounded with people clearly under the influence of MDMA and other toys). I got an innocent, unexpecting friend to join me and he seems to have loved it even though he knew nothing of the band. Probably one of my best concert memories now that the sore muscles have properly rested.





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"Re(2):attn: Chaz re: LCD Eclipsesystem" , posted Tue 22 Aug 09:05post reply

I don't know if you are living in the path or made vacation plans to visit a darkened part of the earth but I hope other Café patrons were able to enjoy the recent solar eclipse.





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"The danmitsu side of the Moon" , posted Tue 22 Aug 10:10post reply

Speaking of darkened parts of the Earth, I am sorry to say Dan Mitsu will vanish from Miyagi's official campaign. Oh well, at least they succeeded tenfold in getting people's attention.





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"Re(1):The danmitsu side of the Moon" , posted Tue 22 Aug 11:04post reply

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I don't know if you are living in the path or made vacation plans to visit a darkened part of the earth but I hope other Café patrons were able to enjoy the recent solar eclipse.
Did any of the Cafe's vampire killers see Dracula's Castle? I hear it's sealed away in there!

It's also fitting that for a phenomenon traditionally assumed to be an ill omen or a sign of the gods' angers, Danmitsu's angelic redemption of forgotten Miyagi should be taken from the world. Like Dracula's human wife who was burned at the stake, "O-mitsu" was too excellent for the idiot populace. Happily, as Chaz (and the governor) noted, she'd already accomplished the goal for Miyagi's ungrateful natives in giving it a modern association beyond "apocalypse."





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"Re(2):The nikudan side of the Mexico" , posted Thu 24 Aug 02:41post reply

Twitch will be broadcasting an event of one of the biggest luche libre promotions in Mexico tomorrow afternoon.

Latin American cafers and/or wrestling fans, could you weigh in on this event?







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"Re(3):The nikudan ONSY of the Mexico" , posted Thu 24 Aug 09:50post reply

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Twitch will be broadcasting an event of one of the biggest luche libre promotions in Mexico tomorrow afternoon.

Latin American cafers and/or wrestling fans, could you weigh in on this event?

BRING BACK ONSY (again)





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Reviews are up.
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The film’s central problem, really, is Light, who is too dull and unthinking to be truly persuasive as either vigilante hero or proper villain. If he’s ambivalent about killing supposedly bad people with impunity, you’d think he’d spend far more time weighing murder against his conscience. If he’s evil, you’d think he’d spend far more screen time celebrating the Death Note’s revolutionary potential. Light Turner, as played by Wolff, does neither. He seems to murder people because, and only because, a script requires him to do so. He’s never characterized as an exceedingly vindictive person. At his high school, he’s enough of an outcast to walk through each hall and classroom without a friend in sight. But later, Light Turner is so seductively witty and arrogant, especially once he’s acquired the Death Note, that he instantly charms the first (and only) girl the camera ever settles on. Light is enough of a sociopath to use the Death Note, without hesitation, to murder random criminal suspects across the world; but then he regularly interrupts Sutton’s passionate embrace to stress, “We don’t kill innocent people.” It’s a vague metaphysics. There’s no rhyme or reason. And since there’s no coherent ideology, however reprehensible or even ridiculous, there’s no exact, captivating character at the heart of Light’s actions.






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The film’s central problem, really, is Light, who is too dull and unthinking to be truly persuasive as either vigilante hero or proper villain. If he’s ambivalent about killing supposedly bad people with impunity, you’d think he’d spend far more time weighing murder against his conscience. If he’s evil, you’d think he’d spend far more screen time celebrating the Death Note’s revolutionary potential. Light Turner, as played by Wolff, does neither. He seems to murder people because, and only because, a script requires him to do so. He’s never characterized as an exceedingly vindictive person. At his high school, he’s enough of an outcast to walk through each hall and classroom without a friend in sight. But later, Light Turner is so seductively witty and arrogant, especially once he’s acquired the Death Note, that he instantly charms the first (and only) girl the camera ever settles on. Light is enough of a sociopath to use the Death Note, without hesitation, to murder random criminal suspects across the world; but then he regularly interrupts Sutton’s passionate embrace to stress, “We don’t kill innocent people.” It’s a vague metaphysics. There’s no rhyme or reason. And since there’s no coherent ideology, however reprehensible or even ridiculous, there’s no exact, captivating character at the heart of Light’s actions.



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"Re(2):attn: Chaz re: LCD Soundsystem" , posted Sat 9 Sep 01:16post reply

Back on the topic of music, I am listening to the new LCD Soundsystem album and actually find this summer's output from The War on Drugs more interesting. Strangest Thing is a truly mesmerizing song.





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"Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Sat 23 Sep 07:19post reply

Bakary Sako from Mali who plays for Crystal Palace in England shows off some various anime football cleats including a pair of Street Fighter ones.

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"Re(1):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Tue 3 Oct 20:19post reply

Looks like Tatsunoko production is doing a new animated CG series that features their classic characters like Gacchaman, Tekkaman and Casshern all in one bowl. Wonder how good it'll actually be.

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"Re(2):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Wed 4 Oct 04:00post reply

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Looks like Tatsunoko production is doing a new animated CG series that features their classic characters like Gacchaman, Tekkaman and Casshern all in one bowl. Wonder how good it'll actually be.

http://www.infini-tforce.com/




.... wait, there's a new central character who's a girl, and she's surrounded by gorgeous men of varying kinds (younger guy, older stubbled guy, macho guy...)....

IS THIS ANIME ACTUALLY GOING AFTER THE OTOME DEMOGRAPHIC?!?!?!





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"Re(3):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Wed 4 Oct 08:43post reply

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Looks like Tatsunoko production is doing a new animated CG series that features their classic characters like Gacchaman, Tekkaman and Casshern all in one bowl. Wonder how good it'll actually be.

http://www.infini-tforce.com/



.... wait, there's a new central character who's a girl, and she's surrounded by gorgeous men of varying kinds (younger guy, older stubbled guy, macho guy...)....

IS THIS ANIME ACTUALLY GOING AFTER THE OTOME DEMOGRAPHIC?!?!?!



Maybe but in the first episode she made a a magical wish and got a BIG THICK PENCIL bestowed from the sky and.. I'm not sure what to make of this show.





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"Re(4):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Wed 4 Oct 11:59post reply

A quick note to those who haven't noticed-- Juan has started posting up artwork on his Twitter beginning with 2B and so far the subjects are quite in common with stuff that's talked about on the BBS. He might be taking on a pic-per-day challenge for at least during October, which sounds tough especially considering it's on conventional paper. Check it out if you haven't yet!

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"Re(5):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Wed 4 Oct 13:14post reply

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A quick note to those who haven't noticed-- Juan has started posting up artwork on his Twitter beginning with 2B and so far the subjects are quite in common with stuff that's talked about on the BBS. He might be taking on a pic-per-day challenge for at least during October, which sounds tough especially considering it's on conventional paper. Check it out if you haven't yet!

https://twitter.com/holajuan

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"Re(6):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Wed 4 Oct 18:55post reply

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A quick note to those who haven't noticed-- Juan has started posting up artwork on his Twitter beginning with 2B and so far the subjects are quite in common with stuff that's talked about on the BBS. He might be taking on a pic-per-day challenge for at least during October, which sounds tough especially considering it's on conventional paper. Check it out if you haven't yet!

https://twitter.com/holajuan

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"Re(7):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Wed 4 Oct 23:00post reply

Amazon has yet to ship my PS4 copy of Dragon's Dogma, meaning that I will have wait until I can replay the game again for the umpty-umph time. This makes me angry.

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A quick note to those who haven't noticed-- Juan has started posting up artwork on his Twitter beginning with 2B and so far the subjects are quite in common with stuff that's talked about on the BBS. He might be taking on a pic-per-day challenge for at least during October, which sounds tough especially considering it's on conventional paper. Check it out if you haven't yet!

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"Re(8): Edano shows off rare twitter feat" , posted Thu 5 Oct 10:51:post reply

In between constant rounds of Gunhouse and Juan's inkfest, all I can see this month are bright pastel colored wonders with bizarre grins. I love it.

Meanwhile, politics may be frowned upon at the Cafe, but politically impactful news makes it through, and since we've had so many bad announcements here in the last year, how about a good/amusing one? In Japanese politics, where bright young people go into the civil service while ancient morons and young right-wing twits go into parliament, it's rare to have good or even interesting news from the political parties. But after a new center-right party threatened to push out the liberals in opposing the ruling right-wing party, an even newer center-left party has managed to get more followers on its charmingly personal twitter account than the staid dregs of the majority, all in about a week! Eat sh-t, 2ch! This is my favorite one:

Original tweet by supporter: "When I saw [Constitutional Democratic Party President] Edano give a press conference, I explained to my 2nd grade daughter what 'constitutional' means, and I almost cried when I told her, 'Your mom is going to vote for this uncool but sincere-looking middle-aged man.' We're pushing for you, Mr. Edano!"

Response by Constitutional Democratic Party: "Thank you for your support! He may look like an uncool middle-aged man, but he's our party's brave and intelligent leader. We'll be working hard for your support!"






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"Re(7):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Thu 5 Oct 11:48post reply

Thank you Professor! Challenges have appeared (out of town) but i will draw with bic pens and coffee if i have to


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Juan- Did you just draw an Iggy today?

[EDIT] OH YES YOU DID

MMCafe waitress appearance yes, but later around 2018...!?
I still need to figure out some colors though

Btw do you prefer conventional paper over digital for drawing, or are you going analog for the fun of using various coloring utensils? --Crayons.--



Maou- I still remember Edano and his constant assurance to the public that "the Raditation levels are not high enough to cause an immediate threat to health" back in the Fukushima meltdown. Which almost sounded like he's saying you won't die immediately if you get hit by Kenshiro's Hokuto Zankaiken (you die after 3 seconds) SCARY





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"Re(8):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Thu 5 Oct 19:12post reply

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This made my cry manly tears.
Also, it's almost my birthday, and it pains me to announce to every one who's going to give me something they have already lost to you. Suckers.







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"Re(9):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Fri 6 Oct 02:10post reply

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This made my cry manly tears.
Also, it's almost my birthday, and it pains me to announce to every one who's going to give me something they have already lost to you. Suckers.



I just want to know if the statement about video games being shit in French is an actual quote from Iggy or is just a perfectly designed quip that I could imagine a caricature of him saying, if not the real him saying.







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"Re(10):Footballer shows off rare anime cleats" , posted Fri 6 Oct 02:46:post reply

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I just want to know if the statement about video games being shit in French is an actual quote from Iggy or is just a perfectly designed quip that I could imagine a caricature of him saying, if not the real him saying.

That's actually a good question to which I'd like to know the answer.
That does sound like something I'd say, to be honest.





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"Re(2):Re(10):Footballer shows off rare anime " , posted Fri 6 Oct 03:56post reply

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I just want to know if the statement about video games being shit in French is an actual quote from Iggy or is just a perfectly designed quip that I could imagine a caricature of him saying, if not the real him saying.

That's actually a good question to which I'd like to know the answer.
That does sound like something I'd say, to be honest.

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"Re(3):Re(10):Footballer shows off rare anime" , posted Fri 6 Oct 05:45post reply

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"Re(1):Beware of Coffeegum dog" , posted Fri 6 Oct 12:26:post reply

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Btw do you prefer conventional paper over digital for drawing, or are you going analog for the fun of using various coloring utensils? --Crayons.--



I usually do inks or a sketch on paper and then do the rest on photoshop. For sure it is a lot more efficient to do everything digital, but paper feels gooood.

By the way, most of Gunhouse was drawn on paper. Brandon has a box full of penguins and skeletons

For the October thing I'm going to use whatever i have on hand. Watercolor is really fun, so will be doing more of it for sure.


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Thanks Maou. There has been a video games are merde note on my fridge for the last couple months. I knew it would come in handy





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"Re(2):Beware of Coffeegum dog" , posted Fri 6 Oct 13:59post reply

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By the way, most of Gunhouse was drawn on paper. Brandon has a box full of penguins and skeletons



Now that's surprising-- I was natually assuming that you did everything for Gunhouse on digital since the art is really smooth. Was it vectored after scanning in?




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"Zippers, Departments, and Food Folks N' Fun" , posted Sun 8 Oct 18:27:post reply

Either I've been living under an anime-blinding rock the past few years-- which seems quite plausible-- or an advertisement wave this year for Japanese companies has been about making short anime flicks. Thus far Mcdonalds Japan, YKK, and the Marui department store chain has been guilty of making millions watch cute girls and boys do things that are utterly... pronless and worksafe, obviously. Which is fascinating since YKK is that world renowned ZIPPER COMPANY and yet there's not a shed of NSWF cutscene. In fact there's not a shed of zippers getting subliminally advertised either, which is even more fascinating.

Meanwhile the Marui anime is like OH YES I WANT TO SEE THE BALDING OFFICE WORKER FILL HIS MOUTH WITH A HOARD OF Strawberry Shortcake and By lord that donut looks like poison in Ep2.

The Marui ad in particular was quite a shocker in terms of quality since they're small potatoes compared to Mcdonalds and yet their ad looks damn better. The Ad's character designer is actually a housewife and works as an illustrator in between chores, which certainly reflects well on how working practice is slowly but finally catching up to the times in Japan. It also suits perfectly with the department store since their main target are the young female work force. On a side note, she was selling her doujins at Summer comiket and cripes the line was huge (one row only line, so makes sense).


Marui
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj-tf7v1bT8

YKK
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5xV4YTcBkQ (EN)

Mcdonalds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woFc0v0h5o0


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Here's a collection of NHK public service announcements done by Shinkai Makoto
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"Re(3):Beware of Coffeegum dog" , posted Tue 10 Oct 00:52post reply

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Now that's surprising-- I was natually assuming that you did everything for Gunhouse on digital since the art is really smooth. Was it vectored after scanning



Nope, no vectors. Just scanned and cleaned up the lines a bit. We had a ton of assets and this was a lot faster at tge time.I did make everything in very large resolution in order to future proof. Hopefullyyyy


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"Re(4):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Tue 10 Oct 09:22post reply

A free lecture course from MIT about the development of cinema

Having previously found myself lacking for ways to describe elements of movie and cinema language, I'm interested in giving this a shot to see if I can expand my knowledge on the subject. Any cinema buffs here have other resources to recommend or insights on things to beware of?







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"Re(5):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Tue 10 Oct 15:13post reply

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A free lecture course from MIT about the development of cinema

Having previously found myself lacking for ways to describe elements of movie and cinema language, I'm interested in giving this a shot to see if I can expand my knowledge on the subject.
Good news: if you conclude--correctly--that the peak of film was achieved in German expressionism and the Weimar period, you can expand your cinematic "vocabulary" (literal and figurative), skip the inferior 80 years that follow, and retire after episode 6!

Ideally, this will mean that you watch every Fritz Lang film ever made, change your MMC handle to "Dr. Mabuse," and spend many hours developing your own theory of film by considering the revolutionary possibilities of new technologies via your new friends Walter Benjamin and Theodor Adorno at the Frankfurt School, coupled with the deeply counter-revolutionary tendancies of said technologies once co-opted by market forces.

Isn't it time you started having fun contemplating the work of art in the age of its technological reproducibility? Don't worry, you can trust me (citation needed), one of the editors was my advisor...

Now, repeat after me: "Semiotics, critical theory, diegesis, mise-en-scene...semiotics, critical theory, diegesis, mise-en-scene..."





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"Re(6):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Tue 10 Oct 19:32post reply

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Wait, am I missing something or is there no part about Ingmar Bergman?
I know it's stupidly pedantic on the verge of self-parody to say you like Bergman, but damn it, Bergman is the most consistently impressive film director on a period that spanned maybe 5 decades, while Godard sunk into self-parody after 2 decades at best. Bergman ended his career with Saraband when he was 80 or something, and that was possibly among his best creations.
There are obviously many less-than-stellar movies out of the forty-ish he's done, and the 7th Seal, though his most famous, is honestly not worth to have had such a lasting legacy. Persona on the other hand is the greatest movie of all times and needs to be re-watched periodically.
Bergman is very much Proust to the art of cinema: deep and moving psychological description of all sorts of people (mostly women in Bergman's case), huge influence of what we call classical music but is really only music, similar astral themes, and both were pretty horrible people in real life, Bergman worse than Proust.





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"Re(6):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Wed 11 Oct 03:23:post reply

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A free lecture course from MIT about the development of cinema

Having previously found myself lacking for ways to describe elements of movie and cinema language, I'm interested in giving this a shot to see if I can expand my knowledge on the subject. Good news: if you conclude--correctly--that the peak of film was achieved in German expressionism and the Weimar period, you can expand your cinematic "vocabulary" (literal and figurative), skip the inferior 80 years that follow, and retire after episode 6!

Ideally, this will mean that you watch every Fritz Lang film ever made

cut...


I recently watched just out of curiosity Metropolis (complete version? it's available on Youtube), being an old film, I found the story a little bit silly in some aspect, but I enjoyed it very much, probably thanks to some sequences more artistic than others, it was a positive experience, I expected far worse.

I would like to continue to exhume some old movies, but I don't have many ideas, some atrocious suggestions?





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"Re(7):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Wed 11 Oct 04:22post reply

That course looks like it would be a fine introduction to cinema but I do wonder if it is going to cover what you are interested in learning. Looking over the assignments it looks like the course could be discussing the themes of the film in much more general, social terms instead of how those ideas are expressed through the language of cinema. If you do sit through the course let us know what you think.

Also, have you looked at something as elementary as DVD commentary tracks? Commentaries by the late Roger Ebert make for fascinating listening/viewing. He only did a few commentary tracks but they were all for masterpieces such as Citizen Kane, Casablanca and Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.

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I recently watched just out of curiosity Metropolis (complete version? it's available on Youtube), being an old film, I found the story a little bit silly in some aspect, but I enjoyed it very much, probably thanks to some sequences more artistic than others, it was a positive experience, I expected far worse.

I would like to continue to exhume some old movies, but I don't have many ideas, some atrocious suggestions?

I'm not certain what version of Metropolis you watched but as I'm certain you are aware silent movies such as that aren't supposed to be silent; they were supposed to be seen with musical accompaniment. There are groups out there such as Alloy Orchestra that are creating new soundtracks for many old classics. Watching a "silent" film with this sort of music -or, better yet, seeing a live performance- greatly enhances the viewing experience.





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"Re(7):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Wed 11 Oct 05:21post reply

I am not sure until when "old" fits, but if you mean movies from around Lang's era, Murnau's Sunrise is a classic (1928), and Eisenstein's Battleship Potemkin (1925) is considered to have laid down most modern foundations of modern cinema in terms of scope (almost literally speaking), editing and staging. Chaplin's Modern Times (1938) and The Dictator (1940) came later but their heritage is closer to late 20s movies than late 30s productions. Before directing Casablanca during WW2, Michael Curtiz was essential in the foundation of the swashbuckling genre, which has inspired Spielberg, Lucas, comics and tons of video game studios consequently. All the movies above have an unescapable quaintness to them, which might throw you off.

If you want a striking taste of modern cinema and movies that seem ahead of their time, either in terms of pacing, plot or structure, I recommend to dig through the works of Alfred Hitchcock (for suspense), Ernst Lubitsch (for comedy) and Howard Hawkes (for suspense and comedy). Hitchcock's first English period concluded with some of his best work, especially The 39 Steps (1935) which is pretty much as airtight as Andrew Davis' The Fugitive (1993) nearly sixty years later. Lubitsch is a pure, under-appreciated genius. His Trouble in Paradise (1932) is one of the best comedies ever directed; it could be made again almost shot for shot today with modern actors and still find a huge audience. Hawkes unveiled deeper and stronger female characters than most of our current film makers.

Citizen Kane (1941) is kind of a special case because, while it completely changed the scope of how movies could be made and how they could tell their stories, most of what it brought to cinema has been so well assimilated over the decades which followed that, when watching the movie nowadays from the perspective of a modern audience and without the intent of studying the story of film, it might seem a bit boring compared to its (earned) reputation. So it depends why you want to watch those movies. Regarding Welles' works, I personally prefer Touch of Evil (1958) but it's a much later film.

For my soul's worth, the greatest film ever made is Marcel Carné's Children of Paradise (1945), especially the first part Boulevard of Crime; "first part" because the movie ended up so long, partially for intentional sabotage purposes under the Nazi occupation, it got divided in two feature films which both released once France was liberated. I unfortunately cannot vouch for the quality of the subtitles, as it is an especially tricky movie to translate because a lot of its appeal came from the clever script by one of France's greatest poets. The dialogue is phenomenal. The acting and delivery of lines is exceptional, even from guys who appear only one scene in the entire movie. The story is complex, multi-layered and a meta commentary on French History, stage, and therefore cinema. They invented some crazy special effects just for this joint. Also, Children of Paradise literally saved lives by hiding Jews and Resistance fighters on its set. How many other films can claim such feats?

I got to bang a hot girl who had seen Children of Paradise on TV on the same night as I had (at midnight on national TV on a Sunday), simply because we had seen the same movie at the same time and were both mesmerized by its quality and relevance and would not shut up in class about it the next day. That's how good this movie is.





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"Re(8):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Wed 11 Oct 07:02:post reply

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I'm not certain what version of Metropolis you watched but as I'm certain you are aware silent movies such as that aren't supposed to be silent; they were supposed to be seen with musical accompaniment. There are groups out there such as Alloy Orchestra that are creating new soundtracks for many old classics. Watching a "silent" film with this sort of music -or, better yet, seeing a live performance- greatly enhances the viewing experience.


Yeah, I know, thanks, I watched this version.
I heard also good things about the music of the Moroder version, but apparently that version of the movie is shorter.

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Sure a lot of things, I'm more intrigued by Battleship Potemkin in that list, but can search for some other of those (also Chaplin's and Citizen Kane are pretty famous, but I never managed to view them).

Battleship Potemkin become pretty famous in Italy around the end of the '70 onwards thanks to its parody in a famous comic movie by (recently deceased) comic actor Paolo Villaggio in "Il secondo tragico Fantozzi".

More than international movie milestones, I'm looking for some weird watching experience.

Sadly I will not have an hot classmate to watch Children of paradise with.





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"Re(8):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Wed 11 Oct 08:08post reply

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All the movies above have an unescapable quaintness to them, which might throw you off.



Watching Casablanca for the first time is an utterly bizarre experience, coming from the perspective of somebody who had a childhood that was full of Warner Bros. cartoons, comics like Calvin and Hobbes, and so on. To say nothing of the fact that there is an entire Tiny Toons episode modeled after Citizen Kane, Casablanca was like a nonstop parade of cliches and dialogue that seems like every line was written to be a memorable one-liner or memorable exchange of one-liners (which is often how Joss Whedon works tend to be...), except that every one of those reads like an intensely familiar cliche. So part of the fun is seeing just how ingrained in culture Casablanca had become, and it is kind of shocking as well as incredibly amusing. That doesn't mean that its lines aren't delightful, or that Bogart's character isn't iconic, but it's iconic to an almost bizarre degree.

I watched Battleship Potemkin when I was in high school, but I did so under the context of "this is a historically powerful piece of propaganda filmmaking, observe the historical circumstances depicted and how the movie reinforces ideals of the Soviet regime in what it dramatizes/romanticizes", as opposed to "observe the techniques of cinema used here".





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"Re(9):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Wed 11 Oct 11:21post reply

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More than international movie milestones, I'm looking for some weird watching experience.


Gotcha. Then I recommend these 10 movies.

Nosferatu (Murnau, 1922)

The Hands of Orlac (Wiene, 1924)

Freaks (Browning, 1932)

Beauty and the Beast (Cocteau, 1946)

The Wages of Fear (Clouzot, 1952)

Persona (Bergman, 1966)

2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1969)

The Conformist (Bertolucci, 1970)

Solaris (Tarkovsky, 1972)

The Holy Mountain (Jodorowsky, 1973)

All very unique atmospheres, in their own way.
Also, anything filmed by Sokurov recently.





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"Re(8):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Wed 11 Oct 12:23post reply

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Truly a subject worthy of a chat in a cafe. I'm going to steadfastly push the one true era of film via Weimar, and have Spoon read Tom Gunning's "The Films of Fritz Lang: Allegories of Vision and Modernity" as a way to also build up his vocabulary for film theory to boot! Metropolis is visually impressive, and probably the best distillation of expressionism through mise-en-scene and stage design until...frankly, the Nikkatasu pink films of the 1970s, but it's also Lang's dumbest movie. LordSNK, here's what you can try instead:

Der Mude Tod, "The Weary Death," (sometimes known by the dreary English name "Destiny"): Death isn't just for whipping by Belmonts anymore! Here, he's a weary and sorrowful figure in a silent love story of great power where a woman searches across time for a substitute life to provide to Death in exchange for sparing her lover. Comes with wild set pieces expressing the exoticism and orientalism of different eras and nations.

Dr. Mabuse, the Gambler --> The Testament of Dr. Mabuse --> The 1,000 Eyes of Dr. Mabuse: Lang's adaptations of the Dr. Mabuse character read like an evil Lupin III combined with (not our) Professor Moriarty, a criminal mastermind who dominates techno-modernity via gadgetry, new-fangled psychology, and modern mechanized timetables to build his "empire of crime." Comes with WILD technical-semiotic stuff like on-screen floating text (as distinguished from inter-titles) representing certain powerful incantations. Mabuse also gets the most clever set of sequels I've ever seen, each totally eschewing the obvious approach to continuing the story, while placing the filmic technological advances (audio, surveillance) in the intervening time between films in the hands of Mabuse within the story.

M: Lang came relatively late to the world of audio, but his use of sound is consequentially far more intelligent and terrifying when he finally does so.
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While coming to Casablanca late deprives you of the freshness, it's sort of a cultural education like Laputa, where you realize that since then, everyone has stolen everything from it.
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Meanwhile, Chaz has blown the cover on the real fun of film studies: enjoying your attractive and bohemian/gothic londonian boyfriend/girlfriend. I had one who kept a meticulous spreadsheet of brief comments on every one of the hundreds of films she'd watched over the years.





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"Re(9):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Wed 11 Oct 13:59post reply

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While coming to Casablanca late deprives you of the freshness, it's sort of a cultural education like Laputa, where you realize that since then, everyone has stolen everything from it.


As much as we say we are old geezers, I don't know if anybody here is old enough to been around back when Casablanca was new (that'd put you squarely above 75 years old!), though it is entirely possible that Iggy has made use of a certain STONE MASK. It's certainly the case that with the internet and digital movie piracy, movie ideas can spread and see re-use or reference in other media much much faster than before, so the period in which a movie can be considered "fresh" is probably much much shorter now than it used to be.





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"Re(7):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Wed 11 Oct 14:33:post reply

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I know it's stupidly pedantic on the verge of self-parody to say you like Bergman, but damn it, Bergman is the most consistently impressive film director on a period that spanned maybe 5 decades, while Godard sunk into self-parody after 2 decades at best. Bergman ended his career with Saraband when he was 80 or something, and that was possibly among his best creations.
There are obviously many less-than-stellar movies out of the forty-ish he's done, and the 7th Seal, though his most famous, is honestly not worth to have had such a lasting legacy. Persona on the other hand is the greatest movie of all times and needs to be re-watched periodically.
Bergman is very much Proust to the art of cinema: deep and moving psychological description of all sorts of people (mostly women in Bergman's case), huge influence of what we call classical music but is really only music, similar astral themes, and both were pretty horrible people in real life, Bergman worse than Proust.



The classics are classic for a reason! As cliche as it is (I like cliches!) Bergman helped me get into classic and artsy films when I was in high school. I absolutely loved The Seventh Seal. It has such a great premise and I think it persists as his most famous film because of it's incredibly iconic imagery which really defined how to convey the feeling of the transcendental and unknowable in film.

I have to admit, my unwitting introduction to Bergman was actually through the (thoroughly underrated!--but don't quote me on that cos I haven't seen it since I was 10) Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, whose entire premise was a parody of The Seventh Seal.

I also have to admit that after watching Seventh Seal I tracked down and essentially forced myself to love Persona even though I did not understand it AT ALL.

I also had a similar experience with Jess Franco's Venus in Furs, a masterpiece of surreal late 60s eurotrash exploitation cinema. It totally flew over my head, but I enjoyed the seemingly profound and adult mood of it (even though it had a a lot less sex than I'd hoped).

Shortly after my awakening to appreciating "old movies" I also picked up Jodorowsky's El Topo on a lark cos the imagery on the VHS box was so striking, not knowing he was an "important" filmmaker and it blew my goddamn mind. Jodorowsky's imagery is so bold that even a precocious 14 year old can grasp it in their gut.

I highly recommend everyone check out El Topo and Holy Mountain if they haven't already! I haven't done much research into it, but I'm certain they must have been huge influences on the Megami Tensei games and a lot of other dark supernatural noir stuff from Japan in the 80s and 90s.

Ah it's such a pleasure to discuss movies!

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Definitely watch Holy Mountain as Chaz has recommended!

You might also enjoy The Night of the Hunter. It's a very dreamy, surreal, iconic as hell film. Once again, this is a movie I saw randomly, this time it just happened to be on TV. I had no idea that it was an "important" film, so without any hype it managed to instantly become one of my favourite films of all time, moving me to tears at very unexpected intervals. Reverend Harry Powell, played by the great Robert Mitchum is one of the great villains in fiction. He is simultaneously terrifying and beguiling. Mitchum plays the character with an INTENSE INSINCERITY that still comes off as charming. It's very difficult to describe. It definitely does not feel like a film from the 50s. It's emotional peaks and performances match any modern movie out there. Mitchum goes full on looney tunes at points and it's amazing! I don't want to spoil too much, but I'll also say that I was very pleased to find out that Night of the Hunter is also the favourite film of Frank Frazetta and many other great artists.

If you want something really weird and out there I highly recommend the films of Seijun Suzuki. He helped shape the modern concept of an art film. His films are suuuuuper experimental and full of really cool imagery. What's more, his films are also FUN. When asked why his films were so weird, he said that he wasn't trying to go out of his way to make art films, he just wanted to make his movies as fun to watch as possible. I think he was very successful in that goal (and come to think of it, I think David Lynch probably has the exact same attitude when it comes to his body of work).

Branded to Kill is an especially fun starting point, because as far as I know, it's the first film to present a romanticized world of languidly beautiful assassins wearing nicely fitted suits and dresses who constantly vie to be the #1 killer under a formal ranking system that everyone adheres to. I'm certain it's influenced countless other movies, manga, anime, etc.

Pretty sure his imagery had a profound impact on a young John Woo too. "Iconic." I use that word a lot, but that's pretty much why the classics are classics. They hit upon these perfect notes where everything just comes together in such a striking fashion that it defines the language of our imaginations for generations to come.

Tying things back to games, if you like the playful surrealism of Grasshopper Manufacture/Goichi Suda games, by all means watch Branded to Kill and if you like it, make your way through the rest of Seijun Suzuki's cinematic catalog.

His work has some of the most striking imagery ever. He's the master of setting up shots that make you go "i don't know what's going on, but I need to find out!"

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"Re(8):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Thu 12 Oct 01:08post reply

Thank you to all for all these suggestions, that's exactly the type of "weird" movie I was searching for.

By the way, Chazumaru you suggested "2001: A Space Odyssey", I'm ashamed to admit I never watched it.

I'll go fill my TO-WATCH-LIST, thanks everyone...
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"Re(9):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Thu 12 Oct 02:31post reply

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By the way, Chazumaru you suggested "2001: A Space Odyssey", I'm ashamed to admit I never watched it.

I'll go fill my TO-WATCH-LIST, thanks everyone...
Too much things to watch, not enough time to do that, so sad




LOVING this thread! Got nothing to add though. Fantastic job everyone!

And yes, please try to watch 2001.





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"Re(10):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Thu 12 Oct 08:30post reply

If Jodorowsky is coming up in conversation then we are getting into the midnight movie setting rather than just the classics. In the lowbrow world of cult cinema you can find truly striking images in the middle of material that wouldn't make it onto the American Film Institute's periodic top 100 lists. Since those floodgates have been opened I wanted to mention that a number of "pink films" from Japan in the 1970's featured a good deal of stylishly filmed sleaze. The works of Koji Wakamatsu and Teruo Ishii are particularly of note. Again, these aren't the sterling masterworks of the silver screen but they certainly fit the bill for vivid viewing.

Since Chaplin has been mentioned I would be remiss if I didn't mention Harold Lloyd. While Safety Last is probably his most famous film my personal favorite is Speedy if only because the ending is nuts.

Oh, and one quick anecdote about Touch of Evil. Several years back a friend and I watched the movie and then went out for dinner. While eating American Chinese food we talked about what a wonderfully inky black ball of awful it was. We particularly liked the scene where Welles visits his old fortune teller friend, who was played by Marlene Dietrich. Welles slurs out that he wants her to read his fortune but she simply sighed and told him that his future was all used up. At the end of the meal I cracked open my fortune cookie only to discover that there was no paper inside. I cheered and yelled "I have no future!" While I don't know if my future has ever found me since I at least have lasted longer than Welles did in the movie.







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"Re(2):Re(10):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Thu 12 Oct 10:13post reply

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"pink films" from Japan in the 1970's featured a good deal of stylishly filmed sleaze. The works of Koji Wakamatsu and Teruo Ishii are particularly of note. Again, these aren't the sterling masterworks of the silver screen but they certainly fit the bill for vivid viewing.
MY MAN. When I wrote above that the only staging that comes close to the insane expressionist Weimar stuff is in the pink films, I was thinking EXACTLY of Ishii Teruo and Tale of the Wandering Girl Boss: Total Abuse ("Female Yakuza Tale"), his sequel to the first film about female assassin Ochou. I think we were talking about Suzuki Seijun in the Lupin thread, and how the Nikkatsu/pink crowd got the money to do what they wanted as long as they had sex as well, and it results in some of the most vividly interesting stuff you can see on screen. Did you know: Depatures director Takita Youjirou got his start as a pink director?





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"Re(3):Re(10):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Thu 12 Oct 22:54post reply

I find these movies fascinating in their own right but I don't get the impression Pink Eiga really fit the kind of experience Lord SNK was specifically looking for, not that I am discouraging him to watch them. There are some Japanese-made exploitation films that go closer to psychedelic or downright surnatural themes and could eventually bridge the two discussions. I am thinking of stuff like Matango, Tetsuo, etc.

Also this list seems particularly useful for the question that kick-started this conversation.





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"Re(4):Re(10):Beware of Cinema dogma" , posted Fri 13 Oct 01:20:post reply

Probably I derailed the initial discussion, please don't stop it, I like where all of this is going
Edit: I mean, the pink eiga stuff, don't stop for me!





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"Proper viewing order for Jodorowsky's canon" , posted Sat 14 Oct 03:01:post reply

Jodorowsky is fantastic, and I have some opinions on how to best experience his work. Before you watch Holy Mountain, which is considered his masterpiece, I would recommend you watch Santa Sangre. It's a bit less abstract, but still a fantastic film filled with incredible symbolism and sights you will not see in any other movie.

If you If you like that, proceed to El Topo, which is a little more out there but still a bit more accessible than Holy Mountain.

At that point, you may approach the Holy Mountain for a "religious experience".

Then watch Fando y Lis which is not bad (in fact, it is great), just not quite as "big".

Chaz beat me to Tarkovsky's Solaris, but this director is another genius. Stalker is cool, just like the videogame! You should also watch the nearly three-hour Andrei Rublev, which is IMO well worth the time. Ivan's Childhood is the more accessible option of his oeuvre, Mirror is maybe the magnum opus, and the "really weird one" is The Sacrifice. You should probably watch all of them.

But, I can still score originality points by mentioning Luis Bunuel's The Exterminating Angel. If you want weird, surrealism will do the trick. Another good choice from this director is The Discrete Charm of the Bourgeoisie.

If you are looking for Japanese films, try The Woman in the Dunes (Teshigahara) or, for something closer to horror, Onibaba (Kaneto Shindo). If you want something horrifying yet modern, look to Yoshihiro Nishimura's Tokyo Gore Police for what one may rightly call "some real freaky shit". If you are into that, this director is quite prolific. You can learn more about the individual in this short profile piece.

To briefly address another of Chaz' recommendations, if you seek out Testuo be sure it's the first film, Testuo: The Iron Man. I didn't find the sequels nearly as good. If you then wonder, huh, what if this guy made a movie that was more grounded and reality and dialed up the perversion a bit, watch A Snake of June.

To circle back around, have you seen anything by Cronenberg? Videodrome and Naked Lunch
may fit the bill for starters. If you'd rather try another David, definitely try Eraserhead.

Edit: I feel like I should include a French film. Try La Grande Bouffe, and be sure to watch it after an overindulgent meal.

Edit again: Damnit, what about the Greeks? I can only really think of Dogtooth. Trailer here.

24th Edit: I forgot Jan Svankmajer. Lecke Faust (from the trailer) is my favorite, but you may have an easier time finding Alice (the girl in the wonderland). Unless you really hate stop-motion, you should check this guy out.

33rd edit: Wait a minute, have I made a similar post in the past?





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"Re(1):Proper viewing order for Jodorowsky's c" , posted Sat 14 Oct 04:22:post reply

Speaking of Tetsuo, I just learned that one of the make-up artists who worked on the second episode also worked on Namco's Splatterhouse.

Speaking of Namco, Keita Amemiya directed a few movies co-produced by the company, years before Masaya Nakamura bought the Nikkatsu. He started in 1986 with a short promotional movie for Genpei Tōma Den then directed Mirai Ninja, a movie tied to the arcade game of the same name (for which he also did the flyer illustration). While Mirai Ninja seems pretty cheap, I find it cheerful thanks to all its visual ideas ; some of which seem to have influenced games such as the Gaiden episodes of the Aleste series (especially MUSHA Aleste) as well as the anime series Samurai Pizza Cats.





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"Re(2):Proper respect for Mirai Ninja" , posted Tue 17 Oct 08:08post reply

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Speaking of Tetsuo, I just learned that one of the make-up artists who worked on the second episode also worked on Namco's Splatterhouse.

Speaking of Namco, Keita Amemiya directed a few movies co-produced by the company, years before Masaya Nakamura bought the Nikkatsu. He started in 1986 with a short promotional movie for Genpei Tōma Den then directed Mirai Ninja, a movie tied to the arcade game of the same name (for which he also did the flyer illustration). While Mirai Ninja seems pretty cheap, I find it cheerful thanks to all its visual ideas ; some of which seem to have influenced games such as the Gaiden episodes of the Aleste series (especially MUSHA Aleste) as well as the anime series Samurai Pizza Cats.



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"Re(2):Proper viewing order for Jodorowsky's c" , posted Wed 18 Oct 00:01post reply

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Speaking of Namco, Keita Amemiya directed a few movies co-produced by the company, years before Masaya Nakamura bought the Nikkatsu. He started in 1986 with a short promotional movie for Genpei Tōma Den then directed Mirai Ninja, a movie tied to the arcade game of the same name (for which he also did the flyer illustration). While Mirai Ninja seems pretty cheap, I find it cheerful thanks to all its visual ideas ; some of which seem to have influenced games such as the Gaiden episodes of the Aleste series (especially MUSHA Aleste) as well as the anime series Samurai Pizza Cats.

That Genpei Toma Den video is too ambitious for its own good and totally bonkers, which means it is the perfectly reflects the aesthetic of both Keita Amemiya and the original game.