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"Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Wed 6 May 04:50post reply

New thread since the last one was getting puffy.

Speaking of things that are large and lumbering, Jason has been added to MKX. I'm not a fan of crossover characters but it does seem that Jason was added because the MK designers were fans and not just for marketing purposes. Only a fan would think to make Jason's mythical teleporting ability a part of his moves list.

Oh, and Jason you also kill your save files. You still got it Jason!






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"Re(1):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Fri 8 May 12:20:post reply

Project Soul is having a character poll for... something

Out of all the SC5 characters the only one to get well over 100 votes is Viola, and even then she only has about half as many votes as Amy.

So I guess based on this poll we're going to get a port of SC4 for PS4/XB1 with Viola as a guest character.

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Speaking of souls and swords, our oceanic lord and master Yoshimitsu was revealed for Tekken 7. This announcement probably seems pretty boring until you realize that for a few months there was a Tekken without Yoshimitsu.





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"Re(2):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Sat 9 May 03:25post reply

Glad to see Yoshi is back and I like that he dipped into the part of wardrobe where he keeps his cephalopod costumes from SC3-4. It doesn't look like he picked up much in the way of new animation to go with his new duds but Tekken just wouldn't be Tekken without attacks that have been recycled since 1995.





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"Re(3):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Fri 15 May 20:25post reply

A new redheaded character joins the Tekken 7 roster.





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"Re(4):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Fri 15 May 22:59post reply

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A new redheaded character joins the Tekken 7 roster.


If there was ever a "soulless ginger" it's that guy.

Pointless question: Can anyone make out what it says on the sign? It looks like I can take I-15 North up to Mishima Lake City but I may be reading that wrong.

More serious question: Does anyone know how T7 is being received? Are the changes to the game engine popular with Japanese and Korean players? Do the games get as much business as TTT2?





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"Re(5):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Sat 16 May 16:18post reply

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A new redheaded character joins the Tekken 7 roster.

If there was ever a "soulless ginger" it's that guy.




Hey Ish, I understand you're only jokingly referencing pop culture with this and I don't mean to call you out but I have to say that (no joke) I find the particular phrase you've quoted to be very distasteful.

Otherwise my comment would have focused on slightly less serious discussion of whether or not Jack actually has a soul. Although, I realize that everyone is talking about Mad Max lately but did you happen to see Ex Machina?





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"Re(6):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Sat 16 May 20:25:post reply

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Tekken 7 acceptance?


Monetarely, it's being a pretty big success; but "profesional opinion" is totally split. New caracters are too much of a hit or a miss (I'm already entangled in Gigas' tentacles); and mechanics changes are meant to make game entry to new players easy (this game apparently has the worst side-step in the whole saga, which basically murders like the flow of the game and like >60% of the strategies at high level (and it's barely noticable at mid level)).

Well, we won't play this game (since as per tradition the upgrade will be the one to hit oconsoles in only 3 more years or so.


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Otherwise my comment would have focused on slightly less serious discussion of whether or not Jack actually has a soul. Although, I realize that everyone is talking about Mad Max lately but did you happen to see Ex Machina?



P-Jack : Merely a souless gray Arnold. Was later reconned as "sentinent" (with a heart) by Harada for TTT2 (I can bet that he made a mistake due to bad memory, heh). Built in characteristic : rotating extremeties and torso.
Jack-1 : Just an auto controlled tin can. Built in characteristic : None. Maybe movie cosplay?
Jack-2 : Emo Sentinent type. Can violate orders, kidnap little gils and smoke pot to become one with nature. Built in characteristic : first with intellect and strategic abilities.
G-Jack : Sentinent, brain wise he is just Jack-2 cosplaying. Built in characteristic : Guns that don't work (this is actually the canon). They can shoot in TTT1, but that game is a non existent what if.
Jack-4 : Supposedly it exists in the story, but since he didn't appear in any game, we know little about it.... Built in characteristic : apparently none?
Jack-5 : Just a machine following a program. The background was about the inventor trying to revive Gun Jack's "heart", but she has been unsuccessful (so, 4 was problably just a microwave). Built in characteristic : none.
Jack-6 : Sentinent, apparently it's Jack 2 as well, but due to damaged data his mind starts from zero. Scenario campaign -which is where character personality is explored- depicts him as a well intentioned baby (I'm not kidding, 0 years old). Built in characteristic : I think the manual / website story (not the in-game one) mentioned something about his guns being stronger (this is a reference to his new ability to charge moves in-game).
Jack-7 : Probably discovered disco with all of that fluorescence.


.... As you can see, my training to be a good housewife includes knowing everything about the house appliances that I use


edit : Through the Tekken series, the staff has been very lax with the use of Voice Actors, usually changing people just because or having a single character being voiced by several people at the same time (victory pose, CG movie dialogs and battle voice all being different people in a single game, for example; sometimes even CG movies aren't congruent in a single VA (lili)).... Jack is basially the only char who has always being voiced by the same guy, which is Banjou Ginga (semblance is basically non existent since his voice is edited for the games, for example try listening to Daniel D'arby, Souther or Ghiren Zabi).






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"Re(7):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Sun 17 May 21:26post reply

Toxico! I was in Argentina two weeks ago. So close yet so far...

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Monetarely, it's being a pretty big success

Is it? That's good to know. I wondered because it wasn't highlighted in their financial results. In fact, between the crazy sales of Yo-Kai Watch toys and the four best selling console games being licensed IPs from the Bandai side, you might have thought the Namco side of Bandai-Namco was on a Don Draper-like vanishing holiday the entire year.

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Jack

I never really followed tier lists in Tekken, how does Jack usually fare? He is dominating or more of a joke/legacy character by now?

If Jack-4 was astute enough to avoid Tekken 4 entirely, he is clearly the most advanced and intelligent version of all Jacks.

Speaking of smart A.I.,

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Although, I realize that everyone is talking about Mad Max lately but did you happen to see Ex Machina?

I saw it last winter. I like that it's such a confined movie; the entire premise is set up in about five minutes. It's certainly nothing unmissable, but it's becoming less and less common to see this kind of B movie with a simple but well-executed premise and limited scope/budget. The actors play really well ; the girl does a really good job playing "uncanny valley" and Oscar Isaac is a force to reckon with; I saw Ex Machina right after A Most Violent Year and it was interesting to see his range through just two movies. I would recommend watching Ex Machina (and A Most Violent Year) if only to jump on the Isaac bandwagon before his fame possibly explodes with the next Star Wars.





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"Re(6):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Mon 18 May 08:15post reply

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Hey Ish, I understand you're only jokingly referencing pop culture with this and I don't mean to call you out but I have to say that (no joke) I find the particular phrase you've quoted to be very distasteful.

I meant no offense but intent and perception don't always match up. Sorry about that.





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"Re(8):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Mon 18 May 09:33:post reply

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Is it? That's good to know. I wondered because it wasn't highlighted in their financial results. In fact, between the crazy sales of Yo-Kai Watch toys and the four best selling console games being licensed IPs from the Bandai side, you might have thought the Namco side of Bandai-Namco was on a Don Draper-like vanishing holiday the entire year.



The thing with Tekken is that it has a level of acceptance where "it's enough for it to smell new", and with that the arcades can make up the initial investment (cabinets and live monitors are not cheap and a combo of them is a must for events); the fanbase in asia is steady enough that players that absolutly hate and despise the current game are still gonna play many many many quarters a day (the habit in tekken is for a non formal set between two players to last over 10~15~ish matches; famous faces play like 20 of those sets a day due to matches being fairly short compared to other games). This is something that has been common to the tekken franchise for many games and is part of that steady success in the asian arcade scene.

Tekken it's not a franchise where Harada says "oh, I want to make a game, let's ask the higher ups", but rather the higher ups saying "it's about time Harada-kun does something, and has X months to do so" (this has never stated, but it can be deduced and read in-between lines with Harada's complains about time and costs and market expectations and what he complains about his bosses). Since the game is the wish of the company rather than it's producer, we can tell that it's a name that safely delivers a proper X amount of money when they need it.

Monetarely the problem with Tekken is that they can't translate that steady success to consoles; tekken 6 became a great seller only when the initial shipment completely failed to sell and became 1/4 the price (I paid full price btw, knowing nothing of market prospects at that time, buying the console more or less the day the game came out) and TTT2 hit 2 millions not within the first year (their inital market expectative) and mainly because it became a free psn+ game---- and it has been "funny" how Harada has desperatedly tried to address that home market weakness by doing commercial stunts and failed horribly each and evey time.

(As a trivia, I'll tell you that the current capcom seems to be (was?) the opposite fighting game wise; it's very successful but kind of unsteady in the asian arcade market, and it's much more reliable worldwide in the console market; so probably the concept for tekken x sf was just Harada and Ono talking about their problems with each other and realizing that they were weak at different things; and decided to "combine their strengths", but that ended up in a "series" that no one really wanted and just became a failure as it should).

Before Lé Hagué uses Hokuto Shinken on this beautiful road ganger, I'll mention my sources : keeping an eye on players comments on how their scenes wane (unreliable), large scale tournaments number on entrants and place of residence of those entrants aka "how far are they willing to travel and pay to compete" (reliable(?)), am-net (reliable), officials announcements on their yearly sales targets (actually, unreliable; heh). Oh, and Souther has my sister, so forgive me, ok?

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Jack's beauty scores across the years



Wrote a lot due to my drunken mood, added trivia on view of the games at the time (trying to include including what we as a players couldn't grasp at the time).

First the conclusion : Jack is usually ok, tending to be "strong" in each tekken game, and in some countries he is widely used (basically every arcade in Japan has a strong Jack, and there is regularly somthing like 3 big name players in japan that constantly fight it out (with varying results) for the spot of "top Jack in the country" title, and there are plenty of players that are "close" to them and make for interesting video views).

Now, my rabid drunken details : Tekken design is really weird. Basically the team talks as if they design the game taking into account a "balance" between 'speed and strength' but that's actually pretty much false (many characters which are "balanced" in speed and strength can pretty much pull of the most damaging moves in the game (think Bryan, Bruce or Kazuya), while characters that are "slow but strong" have weaker moves); basically tekken is played with the assumption that everyone has speed (to some extent), everyone has strength (related to the risk/reward table of each character) and that range is ultimately handled different for everyone in the game, this is taking into account ability to fight in a 2d plane (approach / retrat speed ; inherent range of moves ; and ability to fight in a 3d plane.... Some characters are considered "not that strong" due to being weak to side steps despise being amazing in paper (like Lili)).

If a Jack is strong or weak in a game, it depends on how namco handled his ability to cope with the battle of distance, and this related to his desing (notice how he was intially designed with a normal body structure, but later games have him with a more "gorillesque" body build, and a gorilla arm has much longer range compared to Arnold, this comment comes from a monkey).

Tekken 1 : Basically, absolute top tier material. various infinites combos, and unlike the other characters with infinites, these ininites are extremely varied and can start from many attacks. Has the strongest 50/50 mix ups in the game and his design concept is completely wrong (he is basically the fastest character in the cast, coupled with being the most damaging and having the longest reach). He has only "one weakness", which is that most characters can take advantage from a bug where you force the enemy to be unable to guard for a time; and Jack can't really take that to the extreme (Heihachi can 100% from that bug, Jack can land 20%ish damage); but in the end, most of his obscene advantages are enough to outclass any short comings.

Trivia : the commands for making many of his moves are different than any other Jack (I actually like notations here more, since it has less chance of conflicting inputs and is instinctive); so, basically, Jack 2 is the one who set in iron how Jack moves are to be performed, thus some players that come from futures tekkens won't know how to pull off some of his moves. This was noticeable in my local game sessions, after comparing Jack to the rest of the cast, the sessions became jack vs jack or jack vs p-jack; and the other guys couldn't execute all of his moves due to the detail I mentioned.

Tekken 2 : In this game he was properly balanced to be slow and his long strings don't auto connect every time unless you catch the enemy from the back (good luck with that with no side-step). He "feels strong" due to the way the game is designed : his bozy side is almost the same as other characters, the lack of ukemi and "gravitational effects" in the game allow him to have some pretty strong combos, so when you are playing him, "he just feels strong".

Some definitions :
- Tekken 2 basically never had and never will have a true competitive scene, so there is no reliable tier list, so one can say "he is top / low tier material".
- "gravitational effect", I mean, if you put SF2 ryu in tekken 2, and do a launcher and close standing fierce kick, the 2 attacks will hit with nothing weird happening, and a combo of something like launcher -> cls fiere kick, crouching kick is possible. In tekken 3 the team tried to add more realism, and attacks that "look" like they can slam the enemy into the ground, will (which will forcefully end the combo); between that feature ending juggles and ukemi allowing quick recovery from the ground, also ending juggles earlier; that really hit Jack hard. Most of the other characters can compensate that in some way or another with their new tools, but Jack can't. (So, in tekken 3 Ryu's juggle would be launcher > close standing fierce kick and that's that; meaning you need to drop the fierce kick to do something amazing (which Ryu could probably do, but Jack couldn't).

Tekken 3 : The way "damage" is handled in the game (everything kills and quickly), makes him feel strong; his body size is much larger than in Tekken 2, but you can hardly feel any advantage or disadvantage from that due to how the game is designed. One of the main reasons of why he feels good here is because the game competivie scene is still baically non existent and because characters that will later be "eternal top tier material" are actually "just normal" here (like Jin or Bryan).

Tekken 3 battle flow is basically, every character has a 'big assort' of strong moves, and you need to use that to win at any cost. Since battle dagamge is incredibly high, you can basically win a round with nothing but suposedly low damage short / quick kicks (this is tied to how "everything feels useful").

TTT1 : (introduction) Thanks to korea popularizing international events (by dominating them), this is the first game that truly has a competitive scene, so the concept of tier becomes more prevalent and better studied and somehow translates more into the game; but what's more important is how far players take movement in the game. Is in this game is where one of tekken's main characteristic features becomes evident : there is no upper ceiling to hand speed.

A game characteristic is that namco also tried to better balance the game, and how? most moves are nerfed compared to Tekken 3, this ends up that the basic game flow of "being skilled" in TTT1 is like this :

- Grab a character (if possible, a strong one; which means one out of 8~10 chars or a body swap of one of those 8).
- Identify what moves are actually strong and useful (that's usually a repertory consistign of 3~7 moves, including throws/variations).
- Fight all day using only the moves you identified coupled with using "movement" as fast and accurately as you can.

At high level "movement" can become incredibly important; because it can open the path to "evasion" (which can void the usefulness of many moves), and makes it so that you can always be in range to use "that one move" you want to use all the time (further discouraging learning to use many moves). Also, since the faster you move your hand the faster the character moves, you feel good, and it can also be taken to a level where other players won't be able to imitate how you play, these are factors that keep people playing and coming back to the saga, and knowing Harada, I'm 100% sure that this feature "to show skill" was just accidentally put there and not something that the team truly intended for players to take as far as they did. (example

How does this influence Jack? His movement ability his basically among the worst in the game, meaning that players that do the "pursue skill" ting via movement won't touch him; he also has the biggest body size in his tekken history (biger than what his graphic shows); this translates into enemies being able to use moves that are meant to be used half a step away from the enemy at a distance of something like 3 or 4 steps, completely nullifying his range advatange he is supossedly characterized for (unless it's ack vs jack ¬¬) and naturally making him weak to virtually "all match ups that you can be weak at" in the game. He is broadly recognized as a low tier (he also keep his ability of "complete lack of ability to juggle"). Having a big body size has many other weakness rather than merely increasing the opponent's range, but I won't get into that since I don't want to increase this segment by another 20 lines.

Jack's do have, however; a "charisma", basically he has some pretty solid moves, gun-jack and jack-2 are among the strongest low tier characters in the game, so they have this "usable" charisma; they also have charisma at a design level (Gun Jack's votoms punch made me re-marry him after several years of divorce (did he learnt that because he wanted to win me over again? It would be a moving story if that's the case)).

trivia : since jack is "weak" but still somewhat usable, he is one of chars that people use to argue that the game is perfectly balanced (when it isn't).
Playing Jack/Jack was popular, but also incredibly bad since it basically makes you too vulnerable to match ups. Playing with Jack/something was many times stronger in paper and more fun in reality, but a lot of people never realized that.
Being bigger is such a huge deal that even though Gun Jack is in theory stronger than in tekken 3 in paper, he is performance wise, less than half as effective.

Tekken 4 : Doesn't exit

trivia the tekken force in the force mode are a mish mash of moves from every character. When playing that mode, there are some moves that one can't make out where they come from; when playing tekken 5 it will become obvious that those moves are from Jack, specifically new moves that he didn't had in Tag 1, but he probably had in a concept stae in tekken 4.

Tekken 5 : The first among the new Jacks with a smaller body frame and long reaching arms. Since he basically incorporated moves from every previous Jack along with is improved body size, that made him feel like an ideal dream come true when the game came out.

A change in the way his moves work made him regain one of his tekken 2 juggles, while a tekken 2 level juggle is weak by "today's standards", we can no longer argue that "he doesn't have a juggle".
He is basically considered middle tier ~ upper mid, due to top tiers being awfully strong.

Tekken 5DR : (introduction) a bunch of stupid features about 5.0 were taken out, and top tiers being nerfed (or rather, being top tier in a different way), make him fresh and cool, but the game still keeps the characterstic of "using 8~ moves over and over while using "movement" as much as you can", which is fundamentally incompatible with Jack (but that also makes him feel unique). I think japan ranked him among the top5 chars or something, since he was a good match up to most of the other tops.

Tekken 6 : Harada tried to do 2 main things with tekken, one is taking away the disparity of "doesn' have a juggle" that a good chunk of characters were the victim of, and to get rid of that mentality of "using 6 moves for 7 years straight". He did so by royaly boosting characters movesets and by "balancing" characters to "everyone can juggle", so juggling is finally within the concept of game balance, furthermore the concept of "walls" was remaped for this game into making sense (in 4 and 5 having an enemy cornered brought like 1 good thing and like 7 demerits to most of the cast). To increase the variety, the concept of "speed" was also redone, previously the "fastest speed" was 8 frames, now it's 10; it doesn't sound like a lot, but it means a lot if you are usig slow moves (now harder to interrupt and harder to punish).

.... So, with all of those designs improvements, what can go wrong?... Eh.



First, with the increased variety, defending against a character is much more difficult; for example in Tag 1 or dr I could easily get 30~ win streaks merely by fending off and mind reading 30 moves a day (aka, 7 moves split on several people); in >6 to win consistently you tecnically need to deal with 30 moves in a match, this; coupled with everyone in the game having the ability to juggle makes it so that players need to learn more to reduce the skill of others (a concept intrinsic to "getting consistent wins"), which brought a huge tear rivers on how anyone can win now, that high level skill means zinch now and how 5dr was the true tekken and etc. In tekken 5dr characters that are good at juggling can take 95% life after the ring bell and characters that are ok at juggling can take 75%~ish damage while over half of the cast was basically stuck in their tekken 2 juggles and 30%ish damage. In 6.0 now everyone can juggle, so I'll leave that to your imagination.

And how does that piece into Jack : with all of his improvements and added variety; the game further favoring "slow but dangerous moves", he makes the previous "dream come true" Jack-5 look as if he was a black and white no sound tv. Also has better hand range and less body size than Jack 5 (who had the best hand range of any other Jack until then) and he can finally juggle.

Due to system changes, Jack-6 has an abnormally strong juggle by the game's standards, so not counting some of his designs incompatibilities with movement, he was overall considered one of the best characters in bob city.

Tekken 6BR (the one ported to consoles) : Juggle scalling was finally adjusted after over 10 years (been the same since tekken 2); so juggle damage is overall lesser (hard to get to 60% no matter who you use), corner game was re-adjusted again, so Jack's abnormally strong corner combo is gone, he has a "just right" corner combo.
Jack suffered several nerfs on several moves, but he still feels strong and since everyone gains a couple of moves every game, he still feels varied and solid

TTT2 : the long return of a awaited saga, With the new addition of a new feature that adds new layer of deep to the combo system, what could go wrong?... Heh.

The new feature, the tag assault allows dithis fferent combos depending on who is paired with who; allowed some out of control combo potential, basically the strongest in juggle damage tekken ever since tekken 1 (which had plenty of 100%), "how do these 2 characters pair up" becomes pretty important and can easily overturn tier difference in the worst was possible. Hwoarang is basically the best pair for everyone, since he can juggle is unblockable with the help of tag assaults, unblockables do like 80% life worth damage when non scaled.

What's with the washing machine? There is only one Jack in this game, which was a major complain for many players that like the concept of pairing up similar characters (jack/jack, julia/michelle, yoshi/kuni, baek/hwoarang in TTT1, for example). Jack still has some more nerfs, but again with added extra moves he feels more varied and good to play.

TTT2 Unlimited : Basically the most copipaste upgrade in tekken ever. No added stages, no added characters and no added moves, they just tweaked tag assault to make it weaker and added solo mode ; however even with tag assault being weaker, it's still totally and utterly destructive.

How does this concern Jakku? Since it's the same game, comments about Jack are the same. The game basically has no rebalace other than trying to weaken Lars and trying to buff True Ogre (who are basically still the strongest and weakest chars in the game respectively (seats shared with other people, though)).

TTT2 console : Added P.Jack so you now can play a Jack duo. TTT2 new added characters follow a very basic concept, probably meant by Harada to keep "balance" even: Clones must be weaker than their originals; so basically even though there is a solo mode, they still want to keep a "disadvantage" for playing a single character rather than two. Thanks to that "basic concept" many of the clones are basically unsuable (ever seen Michelle or Forrest in a tournament? heh); but Prototype really luckied it out in this one, he is just "slightly weaker than Jack", so they are viable as a team.
Proto has a single characteristic which is very odd. He is slightly smaller than Jack 6; but not small eough to evade "vs big characters" combos; that translates into him having less range than Jack with basically no good side. Having less range also means that he can do less combos, and he is missing a few very important moves that Jack-6 has, so he is soudly weaker than him to anyone who sees the facts. Since he is shorter his moves hit closer to the ground than Jack-6, but game design makes it impossible for P-Jack to translate this into useful things asides a couple of combos that you probably won't use.

Tekken Revolution : Jack has gone through a cicle of tekken 6.0 : ubber strong , tekken 6 br : weaker than in the previous game. Tag2 : weaker than the previous game, tag2U ; (perhaps) weaker than in the previous game (due to team compatibility). Revolution finally breaks the slope like development and buffs Jack in several ways, many other characters have plenty of buffs, so that's a common concept in the game.... Sadly, the game is just not meant to be played seriously, so that's that.

Tekken 7 : This year car model has not been released yet, but it should be noticed that the game is build with Revolution as the basis, not Tag2; and the trailer already showed some of his Revolution buffs being included.




Overall ranks :

Tekken 1 : Prototype > Jack 1
Tekken 2 : Jack 2 > Prototype
Tekken 3 : A single Jack
TTT 1 : Debatable. Gun jack has a "large" (for the game) variety of useful moves, but Jack 2's "you can use all day and be ok" moves are, perhaps; stronger than Gun Jack's ones; so it becomes an issue of variety vs functionality which is funny since they are basically the same character. P-jack strength level is enough that he would lose a slugfest vs Dan Hibiki so let's not comment on him.
Tekken 4 : Ask the tekken force and their Jack moves.
Tekken 5 : A single Jack
Tekken 6 : Jack is single forever.
TTT2 (c) : Jack-6 > P-Jack



- So, all in all, tekken history is incredibly interesting to look at (specially with all the nice things the staff think for their .0 versions and need to patch in their .5 ones), unfortunately the game model of "making guys cooler the more they play / train" makes it so that many people only play tekken, thus they are the worst source for an objective view of the saga with who knowns what silly thing they blurt.

I could probalby do this depth on analisys on Lee as well, but I won't.

Oh, and basically, I like using the word basically. Funny since I don't use any equivalent on Spanish. I do だいたい a lot when nihongo-ing, though.

I tend to open parenthesis, but I don't close them. That's my gap moe.






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so probably the concept for tekken x sf was just Harada and Ono talking about their problems with each other and realizing that they were weak at different things; and decided to "combine their strengths", but that ended up in a "series" that no one really wanted and just became a failure as it should)


Street Fighter X Tekken was fairly pointless, because it wasn't really that hard to guess how Tekken characters would translate into a 2D Street Fighter. Making matters worse, the way Tekken designs translate into Street Fighter is "hand-to-hand brawler". One or two Tekken characters guest starring in a Street Fighter game would be fine, and could even be something special. Putting nearly 25 Tekken characters into a Street Fighter game is an overload of blandness, because while they are varied within the Tekken engine, their more realistic (lack of projectiles, teleports, inhuman builds, etc) designs blend together inside a Street Fighter engine.

Tekken X Street Fighter (Street Fighter characters in a Tekken engine) would have been interesting, simply to see how the Street Fighter characters would be translated. The result likely could have been awful for one or both fanbases, but at least it wouldn't be a known quantity until after it was released.





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"Re(9):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled assets" , posted Mon 18 May 14:04post reply

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Is it? That's good to know. I wondered because it wasn't highlighted in their financial results. In fact, between the crazy sales of Yo-Kai Watch toys and the four best selling console games being licensed IPs from the Bandai side, you might have thought the Namco side of Bandai-Namco was on a Don Draper-like vanishing holiday the entire year.


The thing with Tekken is that it has a level of acceptance where "it's enough for it to smell new", and with that the arcades can make up the initial investment (cabinets and live monitors are not cheap and a combo of them is a must for events); the fanbase in asia is steady enough that players that absolutly hate and despise the current game are still gonna play many many many quarters a day (the habit in tekken is for a non formal set between two players to last over 10~15~ish matches; famous faces play like 20 of those sets a day due to matches being fairly short compared to other games). This is something that has been common to the tekken franchise for many games and is part of that steady success in the asian arcade scene.

Tekken it's not a franchise where Harada says "oh, I want to make a game, let's ask the higher ups", but rather the higher ups saying "it's about time Harada-kun does something, and has X months to do so" (this has never stated, but it can be deduced and read in-between lines with Harada's complains about time and costs and market expectations and what he complains about his bosses). Since

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Holy cow, thank you for this amazing treatise on the complexities of Tekken by way of Jack. Seriously, I've been playing Tekken casually (mindlessly) since the PSOne days and you've really opened my eyes to the differences in each instalment.






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"Re(10):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled asset" , posted Mon 18 May 20:37post reply

That was some amazing write-up from which I probably won't remember a thing.
But wow.





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"Re(2):Re(10):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled" , posted Tue 19 May 04:07post reply



What the hell happened here.

I will from now on live my life asking many more questions for which my initial expectation is that I don't really care that much about getting an answer. I am devastated about how many amazing replies like the one above I have missed in my previous life.





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"Re(3):Re(10):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled" , posted Tue 19 May 08:03post reply

I understand Jack, I understand Tekken -I understand life- better now than I did before I read Toxico's post.





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What the hell happened here.




I can only come to the conclusion that we owe this bit of serendipity to the limbering effect of alcohol upon a brain that just so happened to be wired to a pair of hands resting on a computer keyboard but which just as well could have been preoccupied manipulating a game controller to drive a virtual fist into a virtual face. Not to mention the influence of the particular curiosities and peculiarities exhibited by the courteous, curious, and civil patrons of this board.

Where else would anyone take time to earnestly consider which if any of various incarnations of a robot in a fighting game might canonically possess a soul, and while they're at it, wonder where these various entities might be placed on a tier list? Of course one could only find such a post at The Madman's Cafe.

To be completely honest though I'm not entirely surprised that Toxico should once again prove himself to be an endlessly gushing font of knowledge relating to mechanical fighting constructs and the games that feature them.




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"Re(1):Lore ex machina" , posted Tue 19 May 12:21post reply

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To be completely honest though I'm not entirely surprised that Toxico should once again prove himself to be an endlessly gushing font of knowledge relating to mechanical fighting constructs and the games that feature them.

And to top it off, he's also fun to quest with on Dragon's Crown, though he's so high-level and so deep in the dungeons that you'll perish instantly and waste all his money reviving yourself.
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"Here comes a new challenger!" , posted Wed 20 May 00:18post reply

After a long time without any news, Street Fighter V confirms M.Bison in its cast. The white hair and slightly different uniform look cool, as do his special moves.

But really, isn't SFV supposed to be released next year? So far, Capcom only showed four characters and one stage... hopefully the game isn't as incomplete as it seems to be now.





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"Re(1):Here comes a new challenger!" , posted Wed 20 May 01:04post reply

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But really, isn't SFV supposed to be released next year? So far, Capcom only showed four characters and one stage... hopefully the game isn't as incomplete as it seems to be now.

I think it's expected by the end of the fiscal year, so late winter? They are talking of a beta, so they might be well into development (though I don't expect more than 16 characters for the first version, and a handful of stages... didn't SF0 1 and SF4 AC only had 5 stages?).

I suppose we'll learn more at E3? I wonder if they will also show at least a new character. Maybe they thought Vega being teased after Nash makes him a "non" surprise, so they had him out of the way to make room for an E3 reveal...?
I hope we get a Japanese trailer soon; I swear the American cut of these trailers have gone worse and worse since SFxT. Is the whole Marketing team of Capcom USA on ecstasy? Or do they limit their audience to hyperactive kids with ADD?





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"Re(2):Here comes a new challenger!" , posted Wed 20 May 01:34post reply

The good news that went slightly under the radar is that Capcom gave a sales estimate for SF5 = that means the game will not be free-to-play (or that at least a "traditional" SKU will be made available). Everyone kinda takes it for granted but that was never a sure thing until now.





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"Re(3):Here comes a new Wakamoto!" , posted Wed 20 May 01:50post reply

What's most important however is that by 1:08 or so it seems pretty clear that it's Vegamoto again. I was worried when I couldn't tell over the awful music at first.





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"Re(4):Here comes a new Wakamoto!" , posted Wed 20 May 03:17post reply

So he's sort of like his Alpha version but with a Yamazaki fireball counter and maybe some variation on his paint the fence combos? I can dig that.

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I suppose we'll learn more at E3? I wonder if they will also show at least a new character. Maybe they thought Vega being teased after Nash makes him a "non" surprise, so they had him out of the way to make room for an E3 reveal...?

That sounds likely. Since we already knew Bison was coming they simply picked a Tuesday to put out his debut. Perhaps because E3 is coming so soon they didn't bother with adding a teaser of who might be coming next? I also wonder if they will throw Evo a bone and do another on-stage demo or something similar.





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"Re(2):Here comes a new challenger!" , posted Wed 20 May 04:37:post reply

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I think it's expected by the end of the fiscal year, so late winter? They are talking of a beta, so they might be well into development (though I don't expect more than 16 characters for the first version, and a handful of stages... didn't SF0 1 and SF4 AC only had 5 stages?).




Yes, 16 characters seems a good number for the first version. But SFIV revealed its characters faster than SFV, didn't it? If I remember correctly, first we only knew about Ryu, Ken and C.Viper - but not long after the game was announced, Capcom revealed Chun-Li, Guile, E.Honda, Blanka, Zangief and Dhalsim at the same time, and not long after that, Abel was shown.

As for the number of stages, SF Zero/Alpha did have few stages, but Arcade vanilla SFIV had 9 or 10 stages, if I remember correctly (not counting Volcanic Rim, Overpass, Training Stage and the alternate versions of some stages added in the console version).





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"Re(4):Here comes a new Wakamoto!" , posted Wed 20 May 06:14post reply

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What's most important however is that by 1:08 or so it seems pretty clear that it's Vegamoto again. I was worried when I couldn't tell over the awful music at first.


There was music? I didn't notice over the awesomeness of Vegamoto all over.
The game still looks like it's trying hard to have as little artistic flair as possible, but I'm really relieved to see that at least few animations were recycled from SF4, especially since out of all the basic cast the 4 bosses moved the stiffest (the less said about Claw's back shoulder the better).
Even if SF5 looks bland at least it will move fine, AND any character coming back from SF4 will look at least a bit fresh. Now let's see if the hair of Cammy/Ibuki or the ribbon of Makoto can get animated in a way that strengthen the flow of the animation, not distract away from it...





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"Re(5):Here comes a new... Costume pack!" , posted Wed 20 May 10:27post reply

Speaking of distraction...





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"Re(3):Here comes a new challenger!" , posted Wed 20 May 10:56post reply

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But SFIV revealed its characters faster than SFV, didn't it? If I remember correctly, first we only knew about Ryu, Ken and C.Viper - but not long after the game was announced, Capcom revealed Chun-Li, Guile, E.Honda, Blanka, Zangief and Dhalsim at the same time, and not long after that, Abel was shown.



The early initial version that the press (or was it only Famitsu?) got to play had all 8 of the original SF2 characters in it, and this was when the rest of the world found out about the game. They talked about getting to play these characters but were only allowed to show Ryu and Ken in screenshots IIRC.





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"Re(5):Here comes a new Wakamoto!" , posted Wed 20 May 17:39post reply

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So he's sort of like his Alpha version but with a Yamazaki fireball counter and maybe some variation on his paint the fence combos? I can dig that.



The reflector seems more of a Rose skill that he finally decided to integrate, which makes sense. I guess that hints at her absence, but IMO, interesting as Rose is, I always felt her design never quite meshed with the rest of the cast - maybe it's the hair, along with the fancy dress that seems impractical for a fight.

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I also wonder if they will throw Evo a bone and do another on-stage demo or something similar.



To me EVO feels like more of a bone thrown at Capcom than the other way around - any other company's games usually need to work harder (or pay more) to make it there...





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"Re(6):Here comes a new Wakamoto!" , posted Thu 21 May 01:26post reply

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The reflector seems more of a Rose skill that he finally decided to integrate, which makes sense. I guess that hints at her absence, but IMO, interesting as Rose is, I always felt her design never quite meshed with the rest of the cast - maybe it's the hair, along with the fancy dress that seems impractical for a fight.

Rose had a good run in SF4 but I think you're right that this is a hint that she's not making it into the initial SF5 roster.

It's funny, I never allow myself to think too hard about the practicality of outfits in fighting games. Terry Bogard's long hair and skinny jeans would be a terrible idea in a fight but he's animated so it looks like his ensemble works so I accept it in the game.

Speaking of hair...

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Even if SF5 looks bland at least it will move fine, AND any character coming back from SF4 will look at least a bit fresh. Now let's see if the hair of Cammy/Ibuki or the ribbon of Makoto can get animated in a way that strengthen the flow of the animation, not distract away from it...

Maybe it's because the old DoA games lowered the bar on hair to a ridiculous degree but as long as Cammy's braids didn't clip straight through her body I was satisfied.





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"Re(10):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled asset" , posted Fri 22 May 11:23post reply

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so probably the concept for tekken x sf was just Harada and Ono talking about their problems with each other and realizing that they were weak at different things; and decided to "combine their strengths", but that ended up in a "series" that no one really wanted and just became a failure as it should)

Street Fighter X Tekken was fairly pointless, because it wasn't really that hard to guess how Tekken characters would translate into a 2D Street Fighter. Making matters worse, the way Tekken designs translate into Street Fighter is "hand-to-hand brawler". One or two Tekken characters guest starring in a Street Fighter game would be fine, and could even be something special. Putting nearly 25 Tekken characters into a Street Fighter game is an overload of blandness, because while they are varied within the Tekken engine, their more realistic (lack of projectiles, teleports, inhuman builds, etc) designs blend together inside a Street Fighter engine.

Tekken X Street Fighter (Street Fighter characters in a Tekken engine) would have been interesting, simply to see how the Street Fighter characters would be translated. The result likely could have been awful for one or both fanbases, but at least it wouldn't be a known quantity until after it was released.


I think the fighting engine of Soul Calibur would be a good fit if SNK and Namco collaborated to create a Soul Calibur vs Samurai Shodown(or Last Blade)game. Namco would create the 3-D version and SNK would make the 2-D/2.5-D version.





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"Re(2):Re(10):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled" , posted Fri 22 May 17:21post reply

I can't remember if I ever shared this trivia, but fun fact shared with me by a former Namco guy who worked in the SC2 team: the idea of collaborations in Soul Calibur II (Link, Spawn etc.) started with the desire to add a Samurai Spirits character in the game; one of Namco's developers was a big fan of the series. The pitch then evolved into adding Link to the Gamecube version after a meeting with Nintendo, which in turn led Namco to look for other candidates on Xbox on PS2.





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"Re(3):Re(10):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled" , posted Fri 22 May 17:29post reply

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I can't remember if I ever shared this trivia, but fun fact shared with me by a former Namco guy who worked in the SC2 team: the idea of collaborations in Soul Calibur II (Link, Spawn etc.) started with the desire to add a Samurai Spirits character in the game; one of Namco's developers was a big fan of the series. The pitch then evolved into adding Link to the Gamecube version after a meeting with Nintendo, which in turn led Namco to look for other candidates on Xbox on PS2.



Considering how SS Sen's gameplay came to resemble SC's system, and how many other guests SC's had since, I guess I have extra motivation to want SC to survive.
Good to know that SS fandom at Namco isn't restricted to Harada....
I wonder which character(s) they were thinking of adding... early versions of Mitsurugi sort of resembled Haohmaru until Mitsu appeared to have settled on an armored look, so maybe the series poster boy wasn't the main intended guest, and I don't see Nakoruru making it on account of Mahamaha, which AFAIK the SC engine wouldn't easily support...





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"Re(4):Re(10):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled" , posted Fri 22 May 19:35post reply

I still remember that interview in Arcadia Namco/SNK/Capcom talking about how it would be fun to have SoulCalibur vs Samurai Spirits vs Star Gladiators. They were talking about it as a total joke / what if, but then the interview ended with "but remember that CvS started the same way, so who knows...?"

Still waiting. (And still waiting for Sammy vs Capcom... It already looked like vaporware at the time, but times have changed, and after the technical success and financial bomba of GGXrd, I wouldn't mind if they took their chance at adding Vampire characters to the mix to revive the hype).





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"Re(5):Re(10):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled" , posted Fri 22 May 21:54:post reply

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still waiting for Sammy vs Capcom


I wonder what the Official Cross-over Regulations are for those things and whether they would be allowed to use franchises such as Monster Hunter, Gyakuten Saiban, Sengoku Basara, Dead Rising, Lost Planet or Dragon's Dogma, which all debuted after the announcement of Sammy Vs. Capcom.

That game was announced around the same time as Capcom Fighting All-Stars, by the way... [edit] Wait my bad, CFAS was announced in 2002 (cancelled in 2003). Maybe the reason Ingrid's sprite exists in Fighting Jam is that they planned to salvage her from CFAS towards Sammy Vs. Capcom? Hmm I doubt so... Probably nothing ever existed.





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"Re(6):Re(10):Fighting Game Thread 9: recycled" , posted Sat 23 May 00:52post reply

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still waiting for Sammy vs Capcom

I wonder what the Official Cross-over Regulations are for those things and whether they would be allowed to use franchises such as Monster Hunter, Gyakuten Saiban, Sengoku Basara, Dead Rising, Lost Planet or Dragon's Dogma, which all debuted after the announcement of Sammy Vs. Capcom.

That game was announced around the same time as Capcom Fighting All-Stars, by the way... [edit] Wait my bad, CFAS was announced in 2002 (cancelled in 2003). Maybe the reason Ingrid's sprite exists in Fighting Jam is that they planned to salvage her from CFAS towards Sammy Vs. Capcom? Hmm I doubt so... Probably nothing ever existed.


So much speculations behind the scenes as to why this has not come to be and when it will come if it ever will. I think the main part that prevented or halted this project was the merger with Sega and Sammy. It was really Arc systems who wanted this project but since they had to use Sammy's name, for business purposes I presume, Sammy had full control and not Arc. Then Sega had control. With TvC coming out of nowhere, I do not think Cap v Sam will come out. Who knows?
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Guilty Gear Xrd finally will be released in Europe on 3rd june, with a delay of 6 months, and DD only






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"Re(1):GG Xrd ~Something~" , posted Sun 24 May 04:32post reply

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"Killer Instinct's literal AI boss" , posted Tue 26 May 05:26post reply

Iron Galaxy showed the first gameplay footage for Killer Instinct's final boss (at least for Season 2), ARIA (yup, all capital letters).

When she was first shown, I thought ARIA would be like a female Fulgore, but she's quite interesting, actually. She seems to be a kind of AI, capable of controlling different drones to fight - she's like a MKX character, but being able to switch variations during the match.

Maybe she's not the most interesting character of this game (what can be cooler than Aganos's huge size or Hisako's creepy intro?), and it's weird that she's being released as a playable character BEFORE she's added as a final boss, but at least I think her design is much more interesting than KI's previous bosses, Eyedol and Gargos (and definitely more interesting than Shadow Jago).

Overall, Iron Galaxy is doing a great job with KI. Now hopefully when her official trailer is released, it will tease something about Season 3 (hopefully Kim Wu and/or Tusk).





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"Re(1):Killer Instinct's literal AI boss" , posted Tue 26 May 10:01post reply

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Overall, Iron Galaxy is doing a great job with KI.


It is nice to see Killer Instinct still getting some love.

I wish Iron Galaxy would spend a little time to fix the Redacted story mode crash bug in the PC version of Divekick, though. Six months, with nothing to show or say other than a five month old promise to look into it.





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"Re(2):Killer Instinct's literal AI boss" , posted Wed 27 May 07:19post reply

I'd be happier to hear that Dengeki Bunko Fighting Climax is getting a sequel in Japan, if not for the fact that the States are just now almost getting a localized release. Not that the first game itself is any good though, from what I've heard!





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"Wakamoto's return returns" , posted Wed 27 May 20:16post reply

After SF5, it's time to come back to GGXrd as well.
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"Re(1):Wakamoto's return returns" , posted Thu 28 May 03:10post reply

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After SF5, it's time to come back to GGXrd as well.



And now we are sure that Xrd will sell 0 units in Europe.





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After SF5, it's time to come back to GGXrd as well.


And now we are sure that Xrd will sell 0 units in Europe.



I'm hoping that it'll be affordable DLC for Xrd owners, as opposed to a whole new standalone thing. I'm guessing that that won't be the case, though.





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"Re(3):Wakamoto's return returns" , posted Fri 29 May 03:35post reply

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After SF5, it's time to come back to GGXrd as well.


And now we are sure that Xrd will sell 0 units in Europe.


I'm hoping that it'll be affordable DLC for Xrd owners, as opposed to a whole new standalone thing. I'm guessing that that won't be the case, though.



Japan and America had the game for like 6 months before this announcement, in Europe the game is not out yet, they announced this now, only for arcade but we know that it will comes also to consoles.
Impatient people already imported the game from USA, some of the other that waited for it got disappointed by the DD only option, and now this is the last straw.
Me for sure will not buy it anymore, I will wait for some big sale or for the next version to come out.





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"Microsoft's best PR of the year" , posted Sun 31 May 20:59post reply

So... This happened. I guess this is karmic payback for Minecraft helping the Vita so much in Japan.





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"Re(1):Microsoft's best PR of the year" , posted Sun 31 May 22:56post reply

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So... This happened. I guess this is karmic payback for Minecraft helping the Vita so much in Japan.


I was offline for a few days so it looks like I missed all the fun. Yikes, what a mess. I'm certain that Sony is thrilled to be sponsoring the Capcom Pro Tour which will continue to be played on 360 consoles but they have no one to blame but themselves.





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"Re(4):Wakamoto's return returns" , posted Mon 1 Jun 13:47post reply

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Japan and America had the game for like 6 months before this announcement, in Europe the game is not out yet, they announced this now, only for arcade but we know that it will comes also to consoles.
Impatient people already imported the game from USA, some of the other that waited for it got disappointed by the DD only option, and now this is the last straw.
Me for sure will not buy it anymore, I will wait for some big sale or for the next version to come out.

Yeah, between Europe finally getting Xrd 2-3 days before the Revelator loketests begin, a DFC update being announced before the overseas versions even have release dates... a lot of this is making me question why I continue to support these games when the people who make and publish them don't seem to care for any of their fans outside of Japan.

Even the indie devs there put arcades ahead of the rest of the world. There was supposed to be a big update on Yatagarasu for May, including the PC release date... guess what hasn't happened because they're too busy planning an arcade tournament? Nice.

And of course, there's still Tekken 7 at Evo to wonder about. Its presence outside of Japan has consisted of, what, 2-3 boards traveling to major US tournaments?

It's business as usual, but that doesn't make it right or good. Time and disposable income are both in short supply for me. Why give it to people who only care about arcade operator business?

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"Nitro+Blasterz..." , posted Tue 2 Jun 19:44post reply

... Will be released on PS4/PS3. How does the girl at the bottom of this picture manage to stand up right!?





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"New Xrd" , posted Fri 5 Jun 11:29post reply

- Johnny is Back
- New character "Jack-O" is reportedly cute
- Reportedly, there's been lots of improvements in the graphics and cloths can get dirty

https://twitter.com/rebirth_baiken/status/606642490041450496


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"Re(1):New Xrd" , posted Fri 5 Jun 21:58post reply

Jack-O is going to singlehandedly bring back flared pants!

Perhaps I'm just tired at the moment but has any fighting game company put out as many trap characters as ArcSys? I can't think of anyone else who has so many characters that build their entire game plan around stuffing the screen full of as much crap as possible.





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"Re(2):New Xrd" , posted Sun 7 Jun 12:09post reply

quote:
Jack-O is going to singlehandedly bring back flared pants!

Perhaps I'm just tired at the moment but has any fighting game company put out as many trap characters as ArcSys? I can't think of anyone else who has so many characters that build their entire game plan around stuffing the screen full of as much crap as possible.



Look at the size of that thing... Zato-1 has Eddie, Johnny has his monstrous belt. I mean... that thing is definitely getting big enough to have its own special moves. I-No's hat could be its love interest.

Still not a fan of the character art overall, but bringing Johnny back and adding another new character might actually convince me to pick it up.





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""What's Yatagarasu? Can you eat it?"" , posted Sun 7 Jun 13:09:post reply

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I hate not posting for months and then saying something depressing, but it's what I'm good at, dammit. Hi everybody.
Ha, superb! Welcome back to the stage of history---and this reminds me, since you mention Yatagarasu: uh, what happened to that game? Former SNK artists, quite attractive character design (seemingly affected by the terrible spats/leggings-under-skirts disease, though happily not in all color combinations), and...no discussion whatsoever, from what I've seen? Their page kind of sucks, and that's a lot of talk of loketests and tournaments for a game that I honestly don't think has had much communicated about it to anyone. Or did I just miss the news? Is it good?
quote:
Jack-O
Ahahaha, has Jack(ie)-O seriously been considered rock and roll enough to become a Guilty Gear character? And is that a futuristic halo above her head?! I like to think that for a special move, she can summon up JFK and they can dance a ghostly, stylish ballad. I know the article points to the Jack o' Lantern mask, but...I just don't care!





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"Re(1): "What's Yatagarasu? Can you eat it?"" , posted Sun 7 Jun 17:56post reply

Oof, forgot about that game. There was supposed to be a Vita version coming as well. Did the PC version ever come out? Otherwise I feel bad for the people who paid a fortune+$8 during the Indiegogo campaign two years ago. The Steam page still says "coming soon".





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"Re(3):New Xrd" , posted Sun 7 Jun 20:38:post reply

quote:
Perhaps I'm just tired at the moment but has any fighting game company put out as many trap characters as ArcSys? I can't think of anyone else who has so many characters that build their entire game plan around stuffing the screen full of as much crap as possible.



I tried playing with Jack-O at the loketest! Her character design is getting a lot of approval but her gameplay is quite peculiar. According to a director Ishiwatari interview, she can summon minions and control them by giving them orders like an RTS game as a shoutout to Guilty Gear 2 (it was an Xbox360-exclusive RTS title).

During my loketest play, this was pretty evident by how she can fill up the screen with a bunch of pumpkin monsters and control them with an organ. However, it also felt pretty silly because the opponent can just wipe them off the screen with a single wack. If you're a fan of Koei's Musou games, you'll love taking on these pumpkin monsters.

Aside from controlling the pumpkin monsters, she also has a bunch of her own moves and they're really easy to do (just a direction + button), which so far makes her feel like a JACK-Of all trades but a master of none. It'll be interesting to see how the developers adjust her towards the game's release!



Ah, as for Yatagarasu! It's been out in the Arcades here for a while but barely gets any play! Releasing the game in 4:3 screen resolution at this day in age probably didn't help.





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"Re(4):New Xrd" , posted Sun 7 Jun 20:54post reply

How does Nesica handle 4:3, by the way? Does it stretch? Black bars? Is there some secret command to switch the display?





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"Re(5):New Xrd" , posted Sun 7 Jun 21:02:post reply

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And is that a futuristic halo above her head?!


She Hula-hoops with it when she wins. Bring back the 50's!




quote:
How does Nesica handle 4:3, by the way? Does it stretch? Black bars? Is there some secret command to switch the display?



It keeps its ratio and there'd either be black bars or "filler images" on the left and right sides.

Sample1
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HPaoiAebD1s/0.jpg

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"Re(2):New Xrd" , posted Mon 8 Jun 17:29post reply

quote:
Perhaps I'm just tired at the moment but has any fighting game company put out as many trap characters as ArcSys? I can't think of anyone else who has so many characters that build their entire game plan around stuffing the screen full of as much crap as possible.



Isn't that the standard procedure in MvC games?





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"Re(3):Yatagarasu... finally?" , posted Tue 9 Jun 00:57post reply

I've been traveling for the past week, and while I know someone mentioned Yatagarasu's limbo status at some point during the week, I can't seem to find the thread. This morning I just happened to see that it's got a real release date on Steam, and it's not too far off.

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"Re(4):New Xrd" , posted Tue 9 Jun 02:28post reply

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Ahahaha, has Jack(ie)-O seriously been considered rock and roll enough to become a Guilty Gear character? And is that a futuristic halo above her head?! I like to think that for a special move, she can summon up JFK and they can dance a ghostly, stylish ballad. I know the article points to the Jack o' Lantern mask, but...I just don't care!


Personally I thought her musical reference was a bit more overt than others, although her outfit is more of the Jackson 5 era than anything from Jacko's solo career. Come to think of it, what sort of musical reference is May supposed to be? Napster?

quote:
I tried playing with Jack-O at the loketest! Her character design is getting a lot of approval but her gameplay is quite peculiar. According to a director Ishiwatari interview, she can summon minions and control them by giving them orders like an RTS game as a shoutout to Guilty Gear 2 (it was an Xbox360-exclusive RTS title).


Thanks for the impressions! Jack-O sounds like she could bounce up and down the tier lists based on whether or not someone finds a winning strategy for deploying all her minions. Good luck to the balancing team.

I'm glad to see Ishiwatari is sticking to his guns but someone should tell him that GG2 isn't coming back.
quote:

Isn't that the standard procedure in MvC games?

If Jack-O can create the same level of frustration as the bullet hell from Morrigan and Doctor Doom we're due for some hilarious GG matches.





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"Re(5):New Xrd" , posted Tue 9 Jun 03:25post reply

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Come to think of it, what sort of musical reference is May supposed to be? Napster?



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"Re(6):New Xrd" , posted Tue 9 Jun 07:54post reply

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"Re(2):" , posted Tue 9 Jun 16:16post reply

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Oof, forgot about that game. The Steam page still says "coming soon".



Yatagarasu stream page recently changed from comming soon to July 7.






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"Re(3):" , posted Tue 9 Jun 20:58post reply

quote:
Oof, forgot about that game. The Steam page still says "coming soon".


Yatagarasu stream page recently changed from comming soon to July 7.


I did pitch in when they had their campaign in Indigogo. I am not expecting something amazing, I rather see it as a start of something with good potential for the future. Hope it does well!





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"Official Catherine side-tournament at EVO" , posted Wed 10 Jun 08:49post reply

wat

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"Re(3):" , posted Thu 11 Jun 00:42post reply

quote:
Oof, forgot about that game. The Steam page still says "coming soon".


Yatagarasu stream page recently changed from comming soon to July 7.



So with the game's launch date now set, I've made a tier chart maker for it.. but it feels so odd to have real-life commentators showing up on the sides of a videogame!

http://kakuge-checker.com/images/topic-03035-2.png





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"Re(4):" , posted Thu 11 Jun 01:07post reply

quote:
Oof, forgot about that game. The Steam page still says "coming soon".


Yatagarasu stream page recently changed from comming soon to July 7.


So with the game's launch date now set, I've made a tier chart maker for it.. but it feels so odd to have real-life commentators showing up on the sides of a videogame!

http://kakuge-checker.com/images/topic-03035-2.png


From Xrd to MKX you have done a great job in keeping up with the latest fighters. That said, you may have outdone yourself with the Yatagarasu icons.





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"Re(5): new SFV info: V-skill, V-Trigger" , posted Thu 11 Jun 05:39post reply

Here.





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"Re(6): new SFV info: V-skill, V-Trigger" , posted Thu 11 Jun 07:22post reply

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Here.



In my dreams Viewtiful is a character in this game because all of his special moves are already tied to a "V" gauge.

I can't wait to see which character has V-ism as their V-skill. Now that's one mechanic Capcom probably doesn't want to bring back universally.





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"Re(4):" , posted Thu 11 Jun 08:22post reply

quote:
Oof, forgot about that game. The Steam page still says "coming soon".


Yatagarasu stream page recently changed from comming soon to July 7.


So with the game's launch date now set, I've made a tier chart maker for it.. but it feels so odd to have real-life commentators showing up on the sides of a videogame!

http://kakuge-checker.com/images/topic-03035-2.png



I can help you with Smash Bros 4 images --I'll keep them pipe sized because of the huge amount of characters-- if you feel like making a tier chart for it. Don't know if the demand is there, though.





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"Re(4):" , posted Thu 11 Jun 09:58post reply

quote:
I did pitch in when they had their campaign in Indigogo. I am not expecting something amazing, I rather see it as a start of something with good potential for the future. Hope it does well!


I like 4.3 very much- have not had the chance to try AoC as I found out about it way too late (as in after August '13) but I'm really glad the release date is so close at last!

I don't think it's going to take the world by storm, but it's really going to fill a niche for certain people. I've been waiting for AoC to begin playing hard in earnest... total scrub at 4.3, but having fun with it in the few weeks I've not been on the road since I got it. I hope a lot of y'all will pick it up so we can play!





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"Re(7): new SFV info: V-skill, V-Trigger" , posted Thu 11 Jun 13:51post reply

quote:

I can't wait to see which character has V-ism as their V-skill. Now that's one mechanic Capcom probably doesn't want to bring back universally.



To be fair we knew all this since December 2014.





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"Re(8): new SFV info: V-skill, V-Trigger" , posted Thu 11 Jun 14:18post reply

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To be fair we knew all this since December 2014.



The roster better stay at 16 characters.





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"Re(9): new SFV info: V-skill, V-Trigger" , posted Thu 11 Jun 14:27:post reply

Clever speculation on why Oro is in the game.

Screencaps (they might get erased soon as they break the embargo)





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"Re(10): new SFV info: V-skill, V-Trigger" , posted Thu 11 Jun 17:24post reply

quote:
Clever speculation on why Oro is in the game.

Screencaps (they might get erased soon as they break the embargo)



Dictator has three chunks in his V-meter instead of two like the others. Hmm. My guess is that the V-counter is similar to Break Shots. I'm also hoping that the V-skill is similar to World Heroes Perfect's ABC move system.





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"Re(10): new SFV info: V-skill, V-Trigger" , posted Thu 11 Jun 22:47post reply

quote:
Clever speculation on why Oro is in the game.

Screencaps (they might get erased soon as they break the embargo)


The deductive speculation in that video is quite sound so I'll bet that Alex and Oro are going to make the cut.

After reading about the game engine and seeing the latest screenshots I'm really curious to see how the game plays. Since it sounds like Capcom is going to allow quite a bit of access to the game we should see plenty of footage soon.

Other random thoughts:

Charlie is now Nash -or Charles Nash- but Bison is still Bison? I'm glad to see they are trying to make all the lore and names consistent throughout the world even if it is only baby steps. Ryu now officially fights with Ansatsuken in all countries but the poor Shadaloo boys still don't quite know what to call themselves.

I love the skunk-eye on Ryu's face when he gets tripped.

The Haggar/Guy poster looks like it's something else.

Is there any significance to the poster behind the punks? I don't recognize the character but it seems awfully detailed for a bit of background fluff. Then again, there are a bunch of guys walking around with canes and that doesn't mean anything so I'm probably looking for things that aren't there.





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"Re(2):Re(10): new SFV info: V-skill, V-Trigge" , posted Fri 12 Jun 00:28:post reply

So what we have with V meter and EX meter is a new take on Rumble Fish's offense/defense meters, complete with how each character had a unique reversal move that burns defense meter.





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"Embargo, disembargoed" , posted Fri 12 Jun 00:48post reply

The stuff are officially out in public now together with details!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUx0beBHpo
http://www.4gamer.net/games/283/G028399/20150609112/
http://www.4gamer.net/games/283/G028398/20150610016/





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"Re(1):Embargo, disembargoed" , posted Fri 12 Jun 01:22post reply

quote:
The stuff are officially out in public now together with details!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUx0beBHpo
http://www.4gamer.net/games/283/G028399/20150609112/
http://www.4gamer.net/games/283/G028398/20150610016/




English official trailer for SFV





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"Re(2):Embargo, disembargoed" , posted Fri 12 Jun 02:14:post reply

So here's a roundup of the 4gamer article-

- There's a new "V-Meter" in the game.
- Each character has a special motion called "V-skill" which can be done with just two buttons (the medium attacks). If it succeeds/hits/gets blocked, you build up the V-meter. For example Ryu has a Parry a la SF3 but with whiff motion. If he succeds in parrying an opponent's attack, he'll build meter. Chunli has a hyper hop that hits, Nash has a projectile absorber, and Dictator has a counter move (he shoots a psycho power projectile when he catches the opponent's attack).
- V-meter can be can be used for 2 purposes: guard canceling (needs 1 block of meter), or for going into a special mode called "V-Trigger" (needs full meter).
- When you have full V-meter, you can go into the V-Trigger mode by pressing both fierce buttons together. It's unique to each character, like Ryu gets electricity on all the moves he does with his hands, Chunli gets multipule hits on her moves except for weak attacks, Nash can teleport dash in 3 directions, and Dictator's specials get powered up.


Other tidbits:

- Normal moves do "recoverable" chip damage! Being in the defense is not exactly safe any more. Special moves do unrecoverable chip damage like any other fighting game. However you can't get KO'ed from chip damage.

- Backdash has no invincibility.

- Unlike SF4, If you try to escape from a throw while squatting and you miss, you'll do a throw whiff animation just like if you were standing.





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"Re(3):Embargo, disembargoed" , posted Fri 12 Jun 03:48post reply

So Ryu now has Ryo's command autoguard/parry.

I can only imagine what Dan in SF5 is going to have now that Ryu himself is paying Ryo tribute.





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"Re(4):Embargo, disembargoed" , posted Fri 12 Jun 04:56post reply

Match videos are already starting to surface.

quote:
So Ryu now has Ryo's command autoguard/parry.

I can only imagine what Dan in SF5 is going to have now that Ryu himself is paying Ryo tribute.


Since MP + MK is now essentially a new special move for each character I wonder how they can make this move unique for the whole cast. Will some of the characters end up with similar moves? Or will some older characters who are almost defined by their limited move set have trouble being included in this new system mechanic? Now I'm hoping Guile makes it in just so his V-Skill can be him aggressively combing his hair or something equally iconic but pointless.





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"Re(5):Embargo, disembargoed" , posted Fri 12 Jun 06:45post reply

quote:


Since MP + MK is now essentially a new special move for each character I wonder how they can make this move unique for the whole cast. Will some of the characters end up with similar moves? Or will some older characters who are almost defined by their limited move set have trouble being included in this new system mechanic? Now I'm hoping Guile makes it in just so his V-Skill can be him aggressively combing his hair or something equally iconic but pointless.



what if this is coming off of Under Night In-birth, where everybody has a unique B+C move, and the fireball/dp character Akatsuki's unique B+C move was parry?

Funny, though: Akatsuki's B+C move sucked.





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"Re(6):Embargo, disembargoed" , posted Sat 13 Jun 02:54post reply

Capcom's new netcode is called Kagemusha? I guess we'll find out how it works soon enough.

More importantly, Cody and Maki snuck into the game.





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"Re(7):Embargo, disembargoed" , posted Sat 13 Jun 15:43post reply

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More importantly, Cody and Maki snuck into the game.

Don't forget Haggar and guy in that very picture. Guy's the one upside down on the bottom.





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"Reissued Darkstalkers manga" , posted Thu 18 Jun 11:01:post reply

I saw Akiman retweeted someone posting about a Darkstalkers manga called

Maleficarum ~Ops Villa~

There was a Maleficarum manga years ago with Darkstalkers / Red Earth translated by UDON so I cannot tell if this a reprint or not. Mami Itoh is the Mangaka for both of these.

Here is the Japan Amazon for Ops Villa.

Just saw that it mentioned it is a reprint, but the 1st edition of the Reprint comes with a small Star Gladiator booklet.





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"(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's Story" , posted Fri 19 Jun 23:47:post reply

Yesterday, Iron Galaxy released the Story Mode for Killer Instinct's Season 2. And... I'm not sure if it's good or bad.

Unlike the Season 1 Story Mode, which only consisted of a really short CG animation followed by a prologue text, some Arcade Mode-like fights and multiple endings for each character, Season 2 has an animated prologue with narration, small texts and images before each fight detailing why the character is fighting that opponent, then a boss (which varies for each character - yup, ARIA may be the head of Ultratech, but she's not really everyone's final boss) and a single ending for each character.

Curiously, this new presentation of the Story Mode is only available for the Season 2 characters; the ones from Season 1 remain with the same Story Mode presentation (which may be a nice way to show respect for the work Double Helix put in it back then, but also makes this mode lacks a cohesion. Also, apparently Omen isn't available in this mode.

Something weird, though, is that it's hard to say whether this game is rebooting the entire franchise or just aspects from it. Season 1 made references to the previous games, like Jago and Orchid already knowing they are siblings, Sabrewulf getting enhancements from Ultratech and the world believing that Ultratech had been destroyed; yet Season 2 has Ultratech going on normally, it seems that Gargos never invaded the world so far, and some characters got their stories completely changed (Cinder is ARIA's lapdog, Maya isn't from 2000 years in the past, and so on).

Overall, the Story Mode and the general plot of this game feels kinda messy - but I also find it quite interesting despite of that, even though I can't explain why.

Oh well, sorry for this long and meaningless text, y'all.





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"Re(1):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Sat 20 Jun 09:43post reply

quote:
Yesterday, Iron Galaxy released the Story Mode for Killer Instinct's Season 2. And... I'm not sure if it's good or bad.

Your post inspired me to look up the endings for season 1 of KI and, wow, those could have been better. I know it's more about the journey than the destination with fighting games but those endings looked like they were tossed together the afternoon before the patch went out.

KI may now also hold the distinction of being the only fighting game to reboot its continuity halfway through the game. That's quite a choice but seeing as how the KI story line had involved time travel and other insanity I don't blame anyone for deciding to reign it in.





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"Re(2):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Sat 20 Jun 11:09post reply

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KI may now also hold the distinction of being the only fighting game to reboot its continuity halfway through the game. That's quite a choice but seeing as how the KI story line had involved time travel and other insanity I don't blame anyone for deciding to reign it in.



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"Re(3):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Sun 21 Jun 06:33post reply

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KI may now also hold the distinction of being the only fighting game to reboot its continuity halfway through the game. That's quite a choice but seeing as how the KI story line had involved time travel and other insanity I don't blame anyone for deciding to reign it in.


Season 3: Dream Match!



Hopefully there will be a Season 3. Kim Wu and Tusk aren't even my favorite characters (Orchid is), but it would be sad to see them completely ignored in the game that is supposed to be the revival of the KI franchise. Plus, since the time travel was retconned, it would be interesting to see Tusk as a modern-day barbarian (and one of the developers mentioned that Kim is supposed to be Chinese-Korean, so she could get a really interesting mix of taekwondo and kung fu techniques).

And KI 2013 rebooting its continuity halfway through the game isn't as surprising as keeping the story mode for Season 1 characters the same way it was before, thus making it feel like you're playing a different game depending on which season the character you choose comes from.





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"Re(4):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Tue 23 Jun 01:31post reply

Meanwhile in the world of Smash...

https://twitter.com/Reboot_0S/status/610399420153114624/
https://twitter.com/rinngo9119/status/611584368549584896/





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"Re(5):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Tue 23 Jun 05:40post reply

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Meanwhile in the world of Smash...

https://twitter.com/Reboot_0S/status/610399420153114624/
https://twitter.com/rinngo9119/status/611584368549584896/



Wow, what happened in the second screenshot? Did Ryu's head got shrinked or the rest of his body got inflated?

His inclusion in the latest Smash Bros is just awesome, anyway! Chun-Li would probably fit nicely in this game, as well...





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"Re(5):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Tue 23 Jun 10:16post reply

quote:
Meanwhile in the world of Smash...

https://twitter.com/Reboot_0S/status/610399420153114624/
https://twitter.com/rinngo9119/status/611584368549584896/


If there was ever anything that would get me into Smash it would probably be those two pictures.





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"Re(6):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Tue 23 Jun 17:26post reply

quote:
Meanwhile in the world of Smash...

https://twitter.com/Reboot_0S/status/610399420153114624/
https://twitter.com/rinngo9119/status/611584368549584896/


Wow, what happened in the second screenshot? Did Ryu's head got shrinked or the rest of his body got inflated?

His inclusion in the latest Smash Bros is just awesome, anyway! Chun-Li would probably fit nicely in this game, as well...



I suspect before Capcom would manage to get a 3rd chatacter in there (I doubt SF would get a 2nd shot at it though), Bandai-Namco and Sega might want to sneak in a 2nd each - Namco could probably have a real Heihachi or Valkyrie, but as for Sega I'm not that sure - Alex Kidd would fit the tone, but not popular enough, so maybe someone like Gillius Thunderhead or Ryo Hazuki?





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"Re(6):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Tue 23 Jun 19:45post reply

quote:
Meanwhile in the world of Smash...

https://twitter.com/Reboot_0S/status/610399420153114624/
https://twitter.com/rinngo9119/status/611584368549584896/


Wow, what happened in the second screenshot? Did Ryu's head got shrinked or the rest of his body got inflated?


I'mj not sure how it was done, but it's a glitch that makes his head turn small!
Maybe captain Falcon is a headshrinker





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"Re(7):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Tue 23 Jun 21:14post reply

quote:
Meanwhile in the world of Smash...

https://twitter.com/Reboot_0S/status/610399420153114624/
https://twitter.com/rinngo9119/status/611584368549584896/


Wow, what happened in the second screenshot? Did Ryu's head got shrinked or the rest of his body got inflated?

His inclusion in the latest Smash Bros is just awesome, anyway! Chun-Li would probably fit nicely in this game, as well...


I suspect before Capcom would manage to get a 3rd chatacter in there (I doubt SF would get a 2nd shot at it though), Bandai-Namco and Sega might want to sneak in a 2nd each - Namco could probably have a real Heihachi or Valkyrie, but as for Sega I'm not that sure - Alex Kidd would fit the tone, but not popular enough, so maybe someone like Gillius Thunderhead or Ryo Hazuki?


I think Tails and/or Knuckles would probably make it in there for SEGA before any other characters from SEGA. Maybe AiAi from Monkey Ball series? Joe Musashi, SAmba de Amigo, or Beat from JSR maybe as well. I think they will keep it obscured! lol.





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"Re(7):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Wed 24 Jun 23:39post reply

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https://twitter.com/rinngo9119/status/611584368549584896/

I'mj not sure how it was done, but it's a glitch that makes his head turn small!


Only one explanation: Stealth marketing.





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"Re(8):(Confused) Thoughts about KI Season 2's" , posted Thu 25 Jun 04:38post reply

quote:
https://twitter.com/rinngo9119/status/611584368549584896/

I'mj not sure how it was done, but it's a glitch that makes his head turn small!

Only one explanation: Stealth marketing.



Oh man, I just started watching the TV show on a whim cos I was wondering what a big bara dude was doing in a shoujo anime. ITS SO GOOD. I should probably read the comic too.

I wonder if that cover is poking fun at this piece of art from SFIV:
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"Re(9):(Confused) Thoughts about Videos" , posted Thu 25 Jun 08:21post reply

PBS on fighting games 101. For their next effort I'm expecting a piece on Frontline discussing why so many games have received bad PC ports.

The next volume of Daigo's manga is out soon according to this absurd commercial.

Those two videos managed to fill up my weekly quota for weird stuff on the internet.





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"Re(5):Yatagarasu Pre-order" , posted Wed 1 Jul 03:19:post reply

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I did pitch in when they had their campaign in Indigogo. I am not expecting something amazing, I rather see it as a start of something with good potential for the future. Hope it does well!

I like 4.3 very much- have not had the chance to try AoC as I found out about it way too late (as in after August '13) but I'm really glad the release date is so close at last!

I don't think it's going to take the world by storm, but it's really going to fill a niche for certain people. I've been waiting for AoC to begin playing hard in earnest... total scrub at 4.3, but having fun with it in the few weeks I've not been on the road since I got it. I hope a lot of y'all will pick it up so we can play!


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"Re(6):Yatagarasu Pre-order" , posted Wed 1 Jul 04:03:post reply

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Pre-order for Yatagarasu AOC is up. Up it does well!
https://www.humblebundle.com/store/p/yatagarasuattack_storefront

Ahahah, I wonder if that preorder makes a distinction from those poor souls who backed this project and heard nothing for...several years? I'm still keen to hear how it plays/looks.

Edit: ye gods, did that 2-minute trailer really consist of not one single in-game screenshot or piece of moving animation? I have never seen a more poorly managed project that I was still interested in.

Double edit: Ahahahahaha, I didn't even notice that "trailer" still has "coming to Steam Fall 2014" at the end. Ouch.





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"Daigo Umehara returning to Guilty Gear" , posted Thu 2 Jul 19:55:post reply

Promo Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA3thUIR-m8

Daigo's short interview from the trailer:
"I haven't played Guilty Gear in about 10 years."
"I haven't met anyone stronger than me since age 14"
"Pressure? None.(Laughs) Of course I'm gonna win again. It's not really about confidence, it's about the inevitable."


As a joint promotion event for the PS4 version of Guilty Gear Xrd, SCE and ARC have announced a 10-on-10 exhibition called the Toushin Gekitotsu (translation: Clash of the War Gods). It'll be a team battle of "GG specialists vs Professional Fighting game players". In particular, Daigo Umehara will be returning to the fighting game series.

Each of the teams will have a total of 10 players, of which 5 will be top players and 5 will be general participants from the public that passes through an online preliminary on the PS4 (dates at bottom). FAB and Nage have been unveiled as top members of the GG team, and Daigo for the pro-gamer team. So that means we'll be hearing 3 more big names on the GG specialists' side and 4 on the pro-FG side.

The event will be taking place in Japan at the Nicofarre convention on August 22 using the PS4 platform. Given that it's a NicoNico/NicoVideo convention, it seems likely that there'll be a stream on their service.


Official Site:
http://www.jp.playstation.com/cp/ggxrd/tournament/


Prelim dates for general public players:
July 3 (9pm) /July 11 (9pm) / July 25 (1pm) / July 31 (9pm) / August 9 (1pm)
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"Re(1):Daigo Umehara returning to Guilty Gear" , posted Fri 3 Jul 00:27post reply

I fully expect the video stream to be bombarded with the resurrected UMEHARA GA KIMETA meme.





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"Re(2):Daigo Umehara returning to Guilty Gear" , posted Tue 7 Jul 10:28post reply

It looks like Madcatz is in financial trouble





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"Re(3):Daigo probably not returning to Madcatz" , posted Tue 7 Jul 22:37post reply

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It looks like Madcatz is in financial trouble


They are betting the farm on Rock Band 4? Oh my.

On the plus side HORI and other companies could very well soon have a wide-open market in which to sell SF5 controllers.





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"Re(4):Daigo probably not returning to Madcatz" , posted Tue 7 Jul 23:37post reply

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"Yatagarasu and an Unfortunate Series of Names" , posted Thu 9 Jul 07:15post reply

I don't think there are many mechanics that will have as unfortunate a name given their domestic audience as "BL Counter".





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"Re(1):Yatagarasu and an Unfortunate Series of" , posted Mon 13 Jul 08:44post reply

You all got so distracted by the hype that is tourney player BananaKen's first foray into being inside a video game that you all overlooked Harada's periodic reminder that, yes, Tekken x Street Fighter still exists.





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"Re(2): <<Best EVO moment>> of a new kind" , posted Mon 20 Jul 02:28post reply

Well that was amusing.





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"EVO" , posted Mon 20 Jul 15:32:post reply

Man, SF4 finals were absolutely amazing. I still have yet to actually cry during EVO but the grand finals still hit me pretty hard emotionally, I felt like I was on that grueling journey right along with....



Spoiler (Highlight to view) -

my fellow Adon user, Gamerbee.


End of Spoiler



The man is an inspiration though, seriously. He's already attained greatness, but I'm pretty sure he will be back next year. Great player and super humble, I love this guy.

I could not believe the business with the controller... whether it affected the outcome or not it was just agonizing and cast a strange shadow on the final round. Just an insane grand final all around.





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"Re(1):EVO" , posted Mon 20 Jul 15:42:post reply

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Man, SF4 finals were absolutely amazing. The grand finals hit me pretty hard emotionally, I felt like I was on that journey right along with . The man is an inspiration though, seriously.

I could not believe the business with the controller... whether it affected the outcome or not it was just agonizing and cast a strange shadow on the final round. Just an insane grand final all around.



The entire EG and Razer business staff were probably flipping out when there were clear images of Momochi using that Mad Catz branded stick.

There was a moment after the final match that was very nearly classic


Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
Gamerbee and his fiance nearly did YO ADRIAN on stage. If Gamerbee had wept I'm pretty sure that moment would've been so Hollywood not even Hollywood would believe it was unscripted.


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"Re(2):EVO" , posted Mon 20 Jul 16:05:post reply

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The entire EG and Razer business staff were probably flipping out when there were clear images of Momochi using that Mad Catz branded stick.



Not quite literally unbelievable (as Seth Killian said) but truly ridiculous.

OH!!!!!

And holy crap, how about that new SFV fighter Necalli who looks like a Pillar Man made sweet love to the daughter of Vice and Wolverine?

I know I recently compared Birdie to Vice (the Negative Gain-like super), but this guy's take-you-to-the-wall command throw (?) and drag-you-across-the-floor super seriously reminds me of Gorefest mechanically. I mean if Street Fighter brought back blood, that super would definitely be a fest of gore.

Plus he finishes the super with a two-handed cross slash that looks an awful lot like Vice/Mature's regular throw from KOF XIII.

I'm not just seeing what I want to see, right? Regardless I am definitely all over this character, hope he's in the beta!

Man I am dying to talk about Evo right now. Just want to let you guys know that I love everyone here and thanks to the Prof for keeping this place running. Fighting games, you guys!!!!!!!





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Ogawa has been a GG legend for forever, literally since GGXX, and his dominance is pretty much a function of whether or not ArcSys decides to bring the nerf hammer down on Eddie. Since that has happened in brutal fashion all of once (GG Slash), I don't know when Ogawa will get knocked off. Zidane was a god-killer, taking out multiple top Japanese players like Kazunoko and FAB. Any foreign player taking out FAB is an achievement. If Ogawa is Eddie, FAB is Potemkin, and that has been the way of things for as long as I can remember. Ogawa is such a great player and Eddie is such an oppressive character that at times it seems like his wins are overwhelmingly dominant with no room for his opponent to act, and that sometimes makes his wins seem "easy". Woshige vs. Nakamura highlights what happens when rushdown characters who themselves have poor tools against their own playstyle have to fight: it's as awesome as it is at times dumb. Faust getting crushed by Eddie is a feeling that I wish wasn't so familiar throughout the history of GG.

UMvC3 took a huge gamble with Yipes' co-caster. She's taken a lot of flak in the past when she first started because she really didn't know the game well, but she's clearly learned a lot since then. I don't think Yipes can ever be replaced as the voice of Mahvel hype, though. KBR winning with Team Big Body, MODOK making top 8, Firebrand being 3rd place.... whether or not the game has been figured out, it's still the game that brings the biggest BS and amazing hype.

Smash continues to be in the category of games that I don't mind playing and that I can respect the competitive quality of, but that I sure don't enjoy watching. I actually think that Smash is curiously like Tekken in that both games have a huge emphasis on hand speed in dash movement, but that is an observation that comes from a position of general ignorance in both games. I wonder if there's anybody here who could speak to that thought?

USF4 finals were terrific, Infiltration is a true giant of the game, pulling out pocket characters that he can play at a level worthy of the grandest stage. Rolento in all his instability, his awkward normals coupled with his blistering offence, were admirably demonstrated by his best player, Nemo. Ai Ai was a revelation. Momochi is the tower of incredibly solid play coupled with an incredibly solid character that Fuudo was when Fuudo won it all, and that together with Momochi's willingness to teach all kinds of technique to people on youtube. And what a run by Gamerbee! He was definitely a dark horse contender in this top 8, and I would not have pegged him to beat Infiltration (in what was surely one of the most nerve-wracking and brilliant matches of the whole tournament... that Healing disrespect, and the ensuing counter to it!). An unofficial people's champ gets crowned every Evo, and Gamerbee was it this year.

Tekken boss Harada consoling the runner-up in Tekken, AO, who literally hid his tears under his ballcap, was something out of a shonen manga.

The P4AU champ was also pretty much "I'm so excited. I'm not crying. Nope not crying. Oh, I'm crying." ArcSys games just brings that out in its champions.





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"Re(4):EVO" , posted Mon 20 Jul 17:51post reply

quote:

UMvC3 took a huge gamble with Yipes' co-caster. She's taken a lot of flak in the past when she first started because she really didn't know the game well, but she's clearly learned a lot since then. I don't think Yipes can ever be replaced as the voice of Mahvel hype, though. KBR winning with Team Big Body, MODOK making top 8, Firebrand being 3rd place....



Spoon! Great summary of some great stuff. I may have to back and watch some Guilty Gear, I was actually working both days during the bug matches.

As for MvC, I love rooting for underdog character so the finals got me pretty hyped! Frutsy pulled off some really cool stuff with MODOK... I was kind of hoping he'd battle all the way to grand finals but he had some great matches. KBR totally deserved that win, and what a great last round finish with the team super.

I actually like Persia on commentary, she's personable and knows her stuff. As a casual Marvel player at best I don't need mile-deep references and insight every second. And I agree, Yipes is irreplacable and always finds new ways and new vocab to modulate the hype frequency and avoid monotony.

I hugely enjoyed Evo this year, it was as good as any other year I remember. Amd going back a couple of days, did you guys see Bonchan catch this giant attack?





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"Re(3):EVO" , posted Mon 20 Jul 19:28post reply

quote:

And holy crap, how about that new SFV fighter Necalli who looks like a Pillar Man made sweet love to the daughter of Vice and Wolverine?

I know I recently compared Birdie to Vice (the Negative Gain-like super), but this guy's take-you-to-the-wall command throw (?) and drag-you-across-the-floor super seriously reminds me of Gorefest mechanically. I mean if Street Fighter brought back blood, that super would definitely be a fest of gore.

Plus he finishes the super with a two-handed cross slash that looks an awful lot like Vice/Mature's regular throw from KOF XIII.

I'm not just seeing what I want to see, right? Regardless I am definitely all over this character, hope he's in the beta!



In addition to the comparisons to Vice/Mature and Iori I've seen, his special mode turns his hair red, which is a bit of a classic Leona feature.


I've only seen EVO results through Twitter, outside the KoF side tournament, but it's interesting that someone mentioned Haggar is the character most often present in victorious MvC3 - yet he's still to be added to a SF game.
I guess the Mayor is on a whole other level, but I hope removing his pipe or something will be enough to make him SF-viable - I'm still not sold on SFV, but Haggar could persuade me.





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"Re(4):EVO" , posted Tue 21 Jul 01:01post reply

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In addition to the comparisons to Vice/Mature and Iori I've seen, his special mode turns his hair red, which is a bit of a classic Leona feature.


His braids look a lot like snakes to me. And are there eight of them? I never counted more than eight when pausing the Youtube video...





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"Re(5):EVO" , posted Tue 21 Jul 03:58post reply

Nuts, I was busy all weekend so I barely got to watch any of EVO. I'll skip through most of the qualifying stuff but I'm still going to have hours of highlights to catch up on. Ack! Who knew watching other people play games would be such a great way to pass the time?
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His braids look a lot like snakes to me. And are there eight of them? I never counted more than eight when pausing the Youtube video...


Judging from the official art it looks like he has eight braids. Perhaps they are going for a subtle spider reference, such as how C.Viper's hair had a snake design?





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"Re(6):EVO" , posted Tue 21 Jul 04:12post reply

quote:
Nuts, I was busy all weekend so I barely got to watch any of EVO. I'll skip through most of the qualifying stuff but I'm still going to have hours of highlights to catch up on. Ack! Who knew watching other people play games would be such a great way to pass the time?

His braids look a lot like snakes to me. And are there eight of them? I never counted more than eight when pausing the Youtube video...

Judging from the official art it looks like he has eight braids. Perhaps they are going for a subtle spider reference, such as how C.Viper's hair had a snake design?



Frankly with 8 snake-like things, they might be throwing in an Orochi reference, which together with the SNK-inspired moves means that we're totally going KOF.





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"Re(4):EVO" , posted Tue 21 Jul 05:27post reply

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Smash continues to be in the category of games that I don't mind playing and that I can respect the competitive quality of, but that I sure don't enjoy watching.

Smash was a real problem for me. I don't care for the way it's played competitively, but I managed to enjoy KI and MKX, two games I have never played and have little interest for, so I'm not hamstrung against any non-Capcom-or-SNK-games.

Unfortunately, having Smash in the middle of Sunday basically made me miss Mahvel, because I felt asleep after 2 matches. These people saying "Melee is faster" forgot to mention all these games were nothing happens because the players are too busy wave-dashing or whatever without actually getting closer until the time-out.
On top of that, the low res and terrible image quality of a GC game on CRT made the stream barely watchable on my end. I had to guess whether the clear brown mass of pixels was Fox, and the blue one was Marth.

If Smash is here to stay, at least please replace it with Smash4 on grand finals so I can at least give a chance to the game.





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"Re(5):EVO" , posted Tue 21 Jul 09:13post reply

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Unfortunately, having Smash in the middle of Sunday basically made me miss Mahvel, because I felt asleep after 2 matches. These people saying "Melee is faster" forgot to mention all these games were nothing happens because the players are too busy wave-dashing or whatever without actually getting closer until the time-out.
On top of that, the low res and terrible image quality of a GC game on CRT made the stream barely watchable on my end. I had to guess whether the clear brown mass of pixels was Fox, and the blue one was Marth.


I like watching some Smash. Problem is, the characters that I like to watch aren't going make more than a token appearance at finals. That's true for Melee, and it looks like it is becoming true for Smash 4 as well.

As for the stream quality... As a free viewer, stream quality seemed kind of bad in general, while Melee's stream quality was downright awful. It felt like they didn't even try to get a decent broadcast going for that title. For a while, I suspected that they'd actually intentionally sank Melee's stream quality, either to save bandwidth or to push the paid HQ streams. But then I noticed the sidebar wasn't so badly affected...

I read some complaining that the paid "HQ" streams weren't exactly the quality that they had desired, either.





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"Re(5):EVO" , posted Tue 21 Jul 10:12post reply

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Smash continues to be in the category of games that I don't mind playing and that I can respect the competitive quality of, but that I sure don't enjoy watching.
Smash was a real problem for me. I don't care for the way it's played competitively, but I managed to enjoy KI and MKX, two games I have never played and have little interest for, so I'm not hamstrung against any non-Capcom-or-SNK-games.

Unfortunately, having Smash in the middle of Sunday basically made me miss Mahvel, because I felt asleep after 2 matches. These people saying "Melee is faster" forgot to mention all these games were nothing happens because the players are too busy wave-dashing or whatever without actually getting closer until the time-out.
On top of that, the low res and terrible image quality of a GC game on CRT made the stream barely watchable on my end. I had to guess whether the clear brown mass of pixels was Fox, and the blue one was Marth.

If Smash is here to stay, at least please replace it with Smash4 on grand finals so I can at least give a chance to the game.



I roomed with some die hard competitive Smash players in college. They used to hang out in public areas of the dorm, scouting new competition. Art School was overflowing with kids who were the best Smash players in their home towns. My roommates lived to suck the joy out of the game for these people. I once saw this exchange in my living room:

New Guy: The way you play... this isn't fun!
Roommates: This ISNT about FUN kid! This is about winning!
<no more speaking from here on out, only the cold ceaseless clicking of gamecube buttons. The phosphorous glow of the TV falls on stone faces>

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"Re(7):EVO" , posted Wed 22 Jul 01:18post reply

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Either that or to become the longer end of the stick. Holy...





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"The new and improved Elphelt" , posted Thu 30 Jul 19:54:post reply

Looks like a kantai collection character

Also, the new character Jack-o wants candy all the time to keep her sanity.. or something close to that!
Same voice actress as this girl

Played the game just a little today but there's not much to say aside from "great graphics!" and "story mode is awesome even in the arcades!".





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"Re(1):The new and improved Elphelt" , posted Thu 30 Jul 23:25post reply

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Looks like a kantai collection character

Interesting to see what they can add and subtract from Elphelt without radically altering the underlying work that went into the building the in-game character. Is the rest of the cast going to get alternate looks like this and if so will everyone be given gigantic dog collars?





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"The famous ninjas of Spain" , posted Tue 4 Aug 00:49post reply

Surprise surprise, another returning character from Street Fighter II. What's vaguely interesting though is that he will be able to switch between claw/no claw styles on the fly.





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"Re(1):The famous ninjas of Spain" , posted Tue 4 Aug 02:09post reply

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Surprise surprise, another returning character from Street Fighter II. What's vaguely interesting though is that he will be able to switch between claw/no claw styles on the fly.



I hope that they have some good ideas for how to balance Claw in this game, because he's been a problematic character pretty much forever. He had an awesome sense of speed and high-flying-ness in SF2, but between his walldives that some characters had poor/no counter to, his incredibly fast walk speed which led to tons of throws, his zippy jump and his long reaching but still fast normals, he was incredibly strong.

SF4's Vega has something good in that he actually has real combo options that don't require a full super gauge that aren't just "normal xx roll". But overall he's had this tendency to degenerate from "high-flying" to "irritating poke character". His strength in CvS2 has nothing to do with high flying and everything to do with extremely good poking normals. But Vega has basically been mediocre across the history of the entire SF4 franchise. Other characters have more fun playing a fencing game of poking (see: Adon, Rose, even Zangief), and other characters also have more fun playing a game that contains a large element of aerial threat (namely, the divekickers).

I feel like El Fuerte is a character in which they specifically tried to focus on claw's high-flying quality while almost completely removing his poking quality. El Fuerte's extremeness in this regard gives him a unique flavour, but one so unique that some feel like he's straight up out of place in this game. Even top Fuerte player Pepeday has remarked this about Fuerte:

"It’s something I often say to players who are having trouble with the Fuerte matchup. Fuerte’s a Street Fighter character, sure, but there’s a huge line separating his gameplan from everyone else’s. The biggest difference is that he can always force decisions on the opponent due to how many 50/50s he has built into a lot of his moves, so you have to have a solid, consistent plan to deal with his shenanigans. I think that’s the main reason people tend to hate him. (laughs)

You can almost think of him as being a minigame within Street Fighter IV. Once you realize, 'Oh, this is a different game,' I think you’ll be able to have more fun fighting him and figuring out the matchup."

Still, it's better than "hyou-bal" claw from ST.





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"Re(2):The famous ninjas of Spain" , posted Tue 4 Aug 04:27post reply

Balrog is so flashy and stylish he's making the rest of the revealed cast look duller than ever. I think Capcom made a mistake revealing him so soon in that regard.





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"Re(2):The famous ninjas of Spain" , posted Tue 4 Aug 04:49post reply

What I'm enjoying about Vega's return is that he managed to bust up so many rumored character rosters. Claw hasn't had this large a KO streak in years!

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I hope that they have some good ideas for how to balance Claw in this game, because he's been a problematic character pretty much forever.

You're right, Vega has always had problems. In the earlier games he could pretty much run around and do whatever he wanted who turned into a pokey character who couldn't do much if he ever decided to go in. Making his claw a non-renewable resource is at least an interesting idea on paper. Will his stances be essentially keep out and go in modes? How much will the reach and priority on his moves change between stances? Will people save his claw for the end of the round to lame out the opponent or will they try to get as much damage at the start by hanging back? With his SNK-ish V-Skill does he even need to worry about anyone getting close enough to knock away his claw? Hopefully a gameplay demonstration comes out soon that gives details on how he plays.





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"Re(3):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Wed 5 Aug 02:28post reply

Rash (from Battletoads) will be a guest fighter in Killer Instinct. This news is kinda weird, but I like the idea of giving him one-button combos like in old-school beat 'em up games.

Speaking of Killer Instinct, Season 3 is finally confirmed... for March 2016. Hopefully Kim Wu and Tusk won't be forgotten by Iron Galaxy this time.





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"Re(4):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Wed 5 Aug 03:29post reply

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Rash (from Battletoads) will be a guest fighter in Killer Instinct. This news is kinda weird, but I like the idea of giving him one-button combos like in old-school beat 'em up games.

Speaking of Killer Instinct, Season 3 is finally confirmed... for March 2016. Hopefully Kim Wu and Tusk won't be forgotten by Iron Galaxy this time.



Now people can unironically ask about Battletoads in video game stores!

I'm hoping that ArcSys now owning Double Dragon IP means that Iron Galaxy can get a conversation with them about having Billy/Jimmy in KI, thus finally giving us the reunion we have hoped for for so long.





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"Re(5):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Wed 5 Aug 03:59post reply

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Now people can unironically ask about Battletoads in video game stores!


I'm wondering who the target audience is for including Rash. As in: how old is the target audience of the New KI, and if it's younger than 30, have people under 30 even heard of Battletoads?
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I'm hoping that ArcSys now owning Double Dragon IP means that Iron Galaxy can get a conversation with them about having Billy/Jimmy in KI, thus finally giving us the reunion we have hoped for for so long.


Huh, that reminds me that I've never bother to se what that game was all about. Thanks for the reminder!





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"Re(6):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Wed 5 Aug 04:23post reply

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I'm wondering who the target audience is for including Rash. As in: how old is the target audience of the New KI, and if it's younger than 30, have people under 30 even heard of Battletoads?



Battletoads had been kept alive as an internet joke some years ago, but by now it's surely past its prime.





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"Re(6):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Wed 5 Aug 04:39post reply

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I'm wondering who the target audience is for including Rash. As in: how old is the target audience of the New KI, and if it's younger than 30, have people under 30 even heard of Battletoads?


Maybe the idea is exactly to present Battletoads to a younger audience and test if a new game would be viable.

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I'm hoping that ArcSys now owning Double Dragon IP means that Iron Galaxy can get a conversation with them about having Billy/Jimmy in KI, thus finally giving us the reunion we have hoped for for so long.



Well, apparently Iron Galaxy did mention that Rash wouldn't be the only guest fighter added to Killer Instinct, so who knows... although it's more likely that the other guests are also from Rare's IPs or from Microsoft's, like Joanna from Perfect Dark, Master Chief from Halo, or maybe the other two Battletoads from the Battletoads franchise (reviving the glorious palette-swap days).





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"Re(7):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Wed 5 Aug 09:46:post reply

Smash's Ryu is definitely a faithful version of Ryu.





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"Re(8):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Wed 5 Aug 09:52post reply

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It's sad/funny how almost diametrically opposed Samus/ZSS and Zelda/Sheik are.





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"Re(9):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Thu 6 Aug 00:59post reply

With KI as a console exclusive featuring a guest appearance by a Battletoad the Xbox One is positioned to be the hit console of 1994.

Keeping with how everything old is new again, Vega/Balrog/Claw is now a motion character. Are they going for more of an Adon or El Fuerte play style this time out? Now I really want to see a demonstration of this latest edition of Vega.





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"Re(10):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Thu 6 Aug 05:20post reply

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With KI as a console exclusive featuring a guest appearance by a Battletoad the Xbox One is positioned to be the hit console of 1994.

Keeping with how everything old is new again, Vega/Balrog/Claw is now a motion character. Are they going for more of an Adon or El Fuerte play style this time out? Now I really want to see a demonstration of this latest edition of Vega.



Yes, making Vega a motion character is a risky choice. But it seems that this may be changed before the game gets released, so Capcom will check if people using him in beta tests approve this change or not.

Back to Killer Instinct, Rash's trailer is out. He looks kinda cartoony in comparison to the other characters (then again, after Iron Galaxy put a cheerleader costume as an alternate outfit for RIPTOR, I'm not sure if Rash's looks are really a big deal), but it's cool how he attacks like in the beat 'em up games. And the end of the trailer seems to imply that a certain redhead Chinese/Korean girl may finally be coming back to Killer Instinct...





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"Re(10):The famous frogs of Rare" , posted Thu 6 Aug 14:18post reply

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With KI as a console exclusive featuring a guest appearance by a Battletoad the Xbox One is positioned to be the hit console of 1994.

Keeping with how everything old is new again, Vega/Balrog/Claw is now a motion character. Are they going for more of an Adon or El Fuerte play style this time out? Now I really want to see a demonstration of this latest edition of Vega.



I have to think it's ironic that ultimately Capcom decided that an iconically matador-esque action is best captured by Fatal Fury dodge/EX mode/S-groove.





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"Pokkén" , posted Thu 13 Aug 00:29post reply

Hey, look, it's Kim Blaziken... wait, it's Robert Blazicia... wait, didn't Kevin from MOTW had a kick like that too? And is that a Condor Dive?

Regardless, the game looks better and better (except for the low amount of playable characters, but it seems there's room for growth).
I was sold the moment Gengar's super appeared like a mix between Shuma's Chaos Dimension and Midler's High Priestess super.





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"Re(1):Pokkén" , posted Mon 17 Aug 07:05post reply

Get ready to rock Jam. She's no Baiken but Xrd is getting there.





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"Fighting Jam" , posted Mon 17 Aug 08:18:post reply

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Get ready to rock Jam. She's no Baiken but Xrd is getting there.

FINALLY!

Now my only question is whether I will devote myself to not understanding my copy of Xrd I've had for months, or awaiting a new level of confusion with the update!

...actually, my other question is whether the 3D art will support the developers' playful old credo (really).


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"Re(1):Fighting Jam" , posted Mon 17 Aug 08:51post reply

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Get ready to rock Jam. She's no Baiken but Xrd is getting there.
FINALLY!

Now my only question is whether I will devote myself to not understanding my copy of Xrd I've had for months, or awaiting a new level of confusion with the update!

...actually, my other question is whether the 3D art will support the developers' playful old credo (really).




You should fire it up anyway because the system basics are the same, certain things are invariant with the characters (Sol will always have Gunflame and Volcanic Viper and Bandit Revolver etc.), and the game looks really good. Besides, if you intend on playing the new characters, it's not as though they exist in the old version for you to get confused with!

I have yet to play a decent netplay match with the game on PS3, though. I'd like to blame the PS3 wifi.





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"Re(2):Pokkén" , posted Mon 17 Aug 12:43post reply

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Get ready to rock Jam. She's no Baiken but Xrd is getting there.



Is it just me or does it seem like she has more frames of animation than other characters? I think it's amazing that cel shading has advanced to the point where it can achieve the state of Sakuga (作画) ie those moments in anime where the animation quality suddenly spikes (The Naruto games, whose visuals are done by the same team as Guilty Gear also have these spikes in animation quality).

It's no longer restrained by technology, but human ability and time. There's so much hand tweaking going on that the 3d tech is basically now being used for ink and paint following an underdrawing rather than as a cold tweening and rendering machine.






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"Re(3):Pokkén" , posted Tue 18 Aug 00:35post reply

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Is it just me or does it seem like she has more frames of animation than other characters? I think it's amazing that cel shading has advanced to the point where it can achieve the state of Sakuga (作画) ie those moments in anime where the animation quality suddenly spikes (The Naruto games, whose visuals are done by the same team as Guilty Gear also have these spikes in animation quality).


Could it be that her moves have more movement within them?

With Xrd, the devs wanted to make a 3D game look like a 2D game, and went through effort to achieve that goal. Perhaps after they saw success, they are simply more willing to be more fluid and expressive?

Or maybe it is just that they put more effort into Jam, kind of like Capcom animating Chun-Li in Third Strike.





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"Re(3):Pokkén" , posted Tue 18 Aug 02:37post reply

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Is it just me or does it seem like she has more frames of animation than other characters?



She's certainly got some nice movement on her sleeves, but I'd hesitate to say that she's got more keyframes than the others when we've only seen what? 3 moves worth of animations? And it's certainly the case that not all animations have equal quantities there even on the release cast.

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I think it's amazing that cel shading has advanced to the point where it can achieve the state of Sakuga (作画) ie those moments in anime where the animation quality suddenly spikes (The Naruto games, whose visuals are done by the same team as Guilty Gear also have these spikes in animation quality).



It's actually the exact opposite: since none of the keyframes are interpolated at all, this game has deliberately gone backwards in that specific technical regard. The capacity to animate in this way is entirely independent of the cel-shading technology. The invention of keyframe interpolation of 3D models was helpful in how it had all kinds of utility for animation blending, arbitrary snapshotting, simulation, collision detection, etc. it certainly saved a lot of people a lot of time, though it also certainly had a particular look to it when it was abused.

It's quite possible for other shading styles to succeed in that style of animation (in my head, anyway), but it's definitely not the norm right now. I think the physically accurate rendering/shading styles will look far too noisy when animated this way, for example, while other flatter rendering/shading styles (e.g. Killer7) will fare much better.

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It's no longer restrained by technology, but human ability and time. There's so much hand tweaking going on that the 3d tech is basically now being used for ink and paint following an underdrawing rather than as a cold tweening and rendering machine.



I take exception with this statement because CG animation has ALWAYS been constrained by human ability and time (and render time, and sim time, and...), and enormous amounts of hand-tweaking has always been done on all the knobs of the technology in every shot. Real simple example, I'm certain if you look at cheaper CG animation, you'll see enormous amounts of facial blendshape re-use on dialogue, while much better/higher budget productions feature much more dynamism in the face.





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"Re(4):Pokkén" , posted Wed 19 Aug 18:49:post reply

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Is it just me or does it seem like she has more frames of animation than other characters?


She's certainly got some nice movement on her sleeves, but I'd hesitate to say that she's got more keyframes than the others when we've only seen what? 3 moves worth of animations? And it's certainly the case that not all animations have equal quantities there even on the release cast.


I think it's amazing that cel shading has advanced to the point where it can achieve the state of Sakuga (作画) ie those moments in anime where the animation quality suddenly spikes (The Naruto games, whose visuals are done by the same team as Guilty Gear also have these spikes in animation quality).


It's actually the exact opposite: since none of the keyframes are interpolated at all, this game has deliberately gone backwards in that specific technical regard. The capacity to animate in this way is entirely independent of the cel-shading technology. The invention of keyframe interpolation of 3D models was helpful in how it had all kinds of utility for animation blending, arbitrary snapshotting, simulation, collision detection, etc. it certainly saved a lot of people a lot of time, though it also certainly had a particular look to it when it was abused.

It's quite possible for other shading styles to succeed in that style of animation (in my head, anyway), but it's definitely not the norm right now. I think the physically accurate rendering/shading

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Heya Spoon, didn't mean to offend. I should have put more thought into how I worded things.

I was referring to advancements in Cel Shading not CG overall. I meant that I'm glad that realtime cel shading has reached a point where it basically looks as good as prerendered cel shading.

CG has of course, always been carefully hand crafted. Especially on something like a feature film, a lot of care goes into each and every frame. That kind of care is of course, inherent in hand drawn animation, which used to be the standard for fighting games. It's not always applied to 3d games, or cel shaded games in general. A lot of games just kind of slap cel shading on willy nilly (this is what i mean by "cold" cg) .

The folks behind the visuals in Guilty Gear and the Naruto games have gotten so good at it that sometimes there are noticeable spikes in the quality of animation on screen, and I don't just mean the movement (3d games have noticable spikes and drops in movement quality, just look at newer Tekken moves vs legacy animations), but the actual linework present.

For instance, take a look at this final boss battle from Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (warning spoilers if you are several years behind on reading the comic):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUvhUEcHfHA

About 3 minutes in, the animation quality keeps escalating. It's not that the hardware is getting better allowing for more polygons or more sophisticated lighting, it's that they put even more care than usual into the animation, so much that it looks like it's DRAWN better. I'm almost certain that at points they started to adjust things down to the verts, cos the line quality is just so good. It's the equivalent of those parts when you're watching some show or movie where suddenly the animation quality becomes incredible (cos they put their best artists and more budget into that shot).

It tickles my brain to get this aesthetic experience in 3d. Seeing things like this has inspired me to look at 3d differently in my own work, where I've recently been trying out a technique with puppet style animation where I draw a very precise mesh over a clean linework texture and then start deforming it frame by frame, vert by vert thinking about it like a drawing rather than a series of rotations and translations (I do tween wherever I get away with it tho :D). I hope to show you the fruits of my labor soon!

side note: I promise you I don't hate 3d cg lol. There are lots of terrible 2d games. And lots of great 3d games and vice versa. I definitely hold a special place in my heart for the hand drawn ones, but I earnestly love a lot of 3d stuff too.






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So, we are apparently a few hours away from GGxrd -revelator- launch date? Can someone correct me at this?

Apparently, arcsys is gonna held pools in arcades so that players can vote on the next returning faces (is that why Bridget was exempt from like 3 games?). This was apparently talked about in their pre-release stream, which I haven't seen yet.






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"Re(1):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Tue 25 Aug 07:18post reply

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Apparently, arcsys is gonna held pools in arcades so that players can vote on the next returning faces (is that why Bridget was exempt from like 3 games?). This was apparently talked about in their pre-release stream, which I haven't seen yet.

Bridget or Dizzy?

Or maybe the GG fanbase has dwindled so much with the years that the last 10 people who care enough to vote are going to focus on A.B.A.
Actually, is there an unpopular character in GG? Someone like Fuerte or Bao that people absolutely don't want to return? Or are most of the characters except those two on a equal starting line?
Even unremarkable characters like Kliff or Anji seem to have their fans, so I'm curious.





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"Re(2):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Tue 25 Aug 11:34:post reply

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Apparently, arcsys is gonna held pools in arcades so that players can vote on the next returning faces (is that why Bridget was exempt from like 3 games?). This was apparently talked about in their pre-release stream, which I haven't seen yet.
Bridget or Dizzy?

Or maybe the GG fanbase has dwindled so much with the years that the last 10 people who care enough to vote are going to focus on A.B.A.
Actually, is there an unpopular character in GG? Someone like Fuerte or Bao that people absolutely don't want to return? Or are most of the characters except those two on a equal starting line?
Even unremarkable characters like Kliff or Anji seem to have their fans, so I'm curious.


Was Zappa unpopular? He is not in the latest installment which I find odd since he is a very unique and creepy character!





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"Re(3):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Tue 25 Aug 21:26:post reply

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Was Zappa unpopular? He is not in the latest installment which I find odd since he is a very unique and creepy character!

I guess the main issue with Zappa, regardless of his popularity, is the fact that each of his summons will need independent 3D models. In 2D, he wasn't that much different from the other characters, but in 3D he's the most expensive character to create and debug properly.

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"Re(4):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Tue 25 Aug 22:51post reply

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In 2D, he wasn't that much different from the other characters, but in 3D he's the most expansive character to create and debug properly.



Can't Zappa possibly fill the screen with more stuff than Jack-O or Bedman already do? (Faust should come close to that as well?)

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"Re(2):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Wed 26 Aug 04:46post reply

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Apparently, arcsys is gonna held pools in arcades so that players can vote on the next returning faces (is that why Bridget was exempt from like 3 games?). This was apparently talked about in their pre-release stream, which I haven't seen yet.
Bridget or Dizzy?


I hope they are already working on the animation for those two since they are obviously going to fight it out for first place.

A few quick thoughts about Xrd Revelator:

The differences between vanilla Xrd and Revelator puts me in mind of how KoF XII flowed into XIII. That's not a compliment. That said, Xrd R looks a lot more robust for what was already a visually impressive game.

I've mentally taken to referring to Xrd R as "exerder." I'm an idiot.

The picture gracing the front of the Revelator web page is hilarious. Tossing around all those minion generators must be great shoulder exercises because it's certainly built up Jack-O's traps!





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"Re(3):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Wed 26 Aug 05:35post reply

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The differences between vanilla Xrd and Revelator puts me in mind of how KoF XII flowed into XIII. That's not a compliment.




It's not QUITE as extreme as the change from 12 to 13, where they wholesale removed multiple core systems from the game (Critical Counter and Guard Attack! Gone!), completely reworked the game camera, added substantial new meter systems...

It's definitely more complicated than Xrd, but to me that more follows the pattern established in GGXX series, where each game added some new universal and character specific mechanics to the game. I'd say in terms of "let's take out an entire aspect of the core system", I'm not sure if it's even as dramatic as Blazblue going from CT to CS (overhaul of the guard break system and gauges associated with it, removal of DANGER! from bursting, addition of guard bonus, etc.).

I am somewhat not enthused by the inevitable increase of complexity that will go from the elegantly distilled Xrd was compared to GG in the past, which is probably a sentiment you have as well. But it's ArcSys, so I can't say I'm surprised.

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The picture gracing the front of the Revelator web page is hilarious. Tossing around all those minion generators must be great shoulder exercises because it's certainly built up Jack-O's traps!



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"Re(4):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Wed 26 Aug 10:05:post reply

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elegantly distilled Xrd was compared to GG in the past
Uh oh. This doesn't bode well for my future skill acquisition if this gorgeous mystery I purchased last year and its insane 100-step training mode were the simplest GG gets.
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"Re(5):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Thu 27 Aug 01:20post reply

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Uh oh. This doesn't bode well for my future skill acquisition if this gorgeous mystery I purchased last year and its insane 100-step training mode were the simplest GG gets.



I'd say that the big training mode teaches a number of techniques that would be considered standard/ordinary for competitive play, but are above the norm for (very) casual play, with a good example being the fact that the training teaches you how to perform a reversal-safe jump-in on a knocked down opponent. Rather than thinking "the simplest GG gets is still so complicated!", it's healthier to think "GG includes a very thorough training mode!... except it doesn't tell me that I don't need to have mastered every piece of it in order to start having fun.".





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"Re(6):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Thu 27 Aug 18:37post reply

Not that it will change anything to the crushing victory of Dizzy/Bridget, but the list of eligible characters is up.
I'm surprised it includes characters from GG2, Fanny... but not Leopardon.
So close, ArcSys!





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"Re(7):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Thu 27 Aug 21:21post reply

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Not that it will change anything to the crushing victory of Dizzy/Bridget, but the list of eligible characters is up.
I'm surprised it includes characters from GG2, Fanny... but not Leopardon.



That just means that he is already in the game, you know?

........ So, these are the returning characters we can expect when Arcsys milk this game with like 14 'upgrades'?






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"She's back!! And brought a friend with her!!" , posted Fri 28 Aug 01:00post reply

Ono finally managed to fulfill his dream in SFV, it seems.

Apparently Mika is now two characters in one (her tag team partner could be a separate character... oh well, can't have everything). She looks interesting, but I wonder if people will enjoy playing as her this time. Hopefully they will.





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"Re(8):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Fri 28 Aug 01:19post reply

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........ So, these are the returning characters we can expect when Arcsys milk this game with like 14 'upgrades'?

I also expect another six or seven Valentine girls to get tossed our way as the updates go on.

Showing that every character has a fan, R.Mika returns in SF5.

Good: She can monologue during the fight and throw the microphone.

Bad: Her outfit is even uglier, a feat I didn't think was possible.

Neither Good nor Bad: She brought along Nadeshiko, a character who is even more obscure than some of the candidates hoping to get voted into the next GG update.

Also, R.Mika's super involves her destroying her opponents with her ass. At least the programmers understand what defines this character.





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"Re(1):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Fri 28 Aug 01:19post reply

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Ono finally managed to fulfill his dream in SFV, it seems.

Apparently Mika is now two characters in one (her tag team partner could be a separate character... oh well, can't have everything). She looks interesting, but I wonder if people will enjoy playing as her this time. Hopefully they will.



I'm with Ono on R. Mika. She's inexplicably one of my real favorites.

Maybe they'll make Nadeshiko one of her alts so you can play as her with Mika as the tag partner.





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"Re(2):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Fri 28 Aug 02:23post reply

And just to think, that Ken Bogard guy who leaked the V-trigger thing was saying how "any leak list with Mika was automatically shit".

So Siliconera was 1/4th right about something for now.





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"Re(7):President exodus makes his stamen publi" , posted Fri 28 Aug 04:37post reply

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Not that it will change anything to the crushing victory of Dizzy/Bridget, but the list of eligible characters is up.
I'm surprised it includes characters from GG2, Fanny... but not Leopardon.
So close, ArcSys!



I like to think that if Leopardon were included, he'd be the go-to throwaway vote for everybody not voting for Bridget, and that would accidentally vote him in.





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"Re(3):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Fri 28 Aug 05:09post reply

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So Siliconera was 1/4th right about something for now.

I am so upset. I suppose I have to make good on my pledge to eat my Ishmael's Jigen's hat, but technically they aren't entirely right yet. Fortunately, my mood was improved by:
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Also, R.Mika's super involves her destroying her opponents with her ass.
Too bad about missing the hearts on her outfit, but more importantly: where is her portable stage? I guess as long as she has that grapple special, it's fine...god help me if I ever play at R. Mika, but the move is such a wonderful mix of tactile and audio stimuli.





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"Re(4):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Fri 28 Aug 05:24post reply

I am really glad Mika is back in the series. She seems to be really reworked like most of the characters in V. If someone wins a major with the Stunner the crowd will go wild.

It would be cool if Mika and Nadeshiko could be swapped like with Yun and Yang in New Generation. Mika is punches and Nadeshiko is kicks.

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So Siliconera was 1/4th right about something for now.


So if Siliconera is right, didn't they also mention Alex, Urien and Karin? Man, if Alex and Mika are in the same game I don't know who I will main.

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Too bad about missing the hearts on her outfit



Her whole "boob window" (to steal the Power Girl phrase) is actually heart shaped now.





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"Re(4):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Fri 28 Aug 05:50post reply

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So Siliconera was 1/4th right about something for now.
I am so upset. I suppose I have to make good on my pledge to eat my Ishmael's Jigen's hat, but technically they aren't entirely right yet. Fortunately, my mood was improved by: Also, R.Mika's super involves her destroying her opponents with her ass. Too bad about missing the hearts on her outfit, but more importantly: where is her portable stage? I guess as long as she has that grapple special, it's fine...god help me if I ever play at R. Mika, but the move is such a wonderful mix of tactile and audio stimuli.


Mika is super refreshing to see in the game after Necali and his 90's comic book bad guy stylings. WELP I guess I'll buy SFV after all!

A side note: I posted on Facebook about Mika's reveal, only to have several people immediately chime in to the effect of "GAWD WAHTS UP WITH THAT OUTFIT DOES SHE FIGHT WITH HER TITS" which is certainly a fair comment, but I'm pretty sure those exact people watched a trailer of MGSV with Quiet's ludicrously small bikini top and had no problem at all with it.





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"Re(5):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Fri 28 Aug 08:53post reply

The IGN rewind video shows a sign in the background of the stage reading "Thanks [for something or other]". The sign has a character on it that looks a lot like Maki from CvS2. Does anyone know if this sign was on this stage since the beginning or if this is a new addition??





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"Re(6):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Fri 28 Aug 09:20post reply

OH WOW they actually threw in R.Mika into the game! I'm very surprised. And Intrigued. Now all they need is some Kita Senri and everything is Hunky-dory.

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"Re(6):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Fri 28 Aug 12:23:post reply

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The IGN rewind video shows a sign in the background of the stage reading "Thanks [for something or other]". The sign has a character on it that looks a lot like Maki from CvS2. Does anyone know if this sign was on this stage since the beginning or if this is a new addition??

Like Prof. said, that sign was shown in earlier shots, and featured the other main cast of Final Fight as well. Strangely, nobody cares about Carlos anymore, and nobody pays attention to Dean or Lucia either. What happened to these guys? Hell, I could just want a sequel to Final Fight Revenge that actually plays like a real fighting game.

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So if Siliconera is right, didn't they also mention Alex, Urien and Karin?
Could just be coincidence. Luckily, I didn't bet against R.Mika, and Ono's earlier tweets prior to today's reveal made him seem so excited for it so it was not really THAT much of a surprise (even if some people were thinking his favorite character was actually Ingrid).

I still have trouble believing all of Siliconera's list, because the way they showed the arrangement for the starting roster was 8 in a green rectangle, 4 in a red rectangle for new characters most likely, and 4 in a blue rectangle--these are, as for now, just Alpha characters. It might actually be that the blue slots are more of a mix between Alpha and 3 as if it was a container for those not coming from Street Fighter 4. Or maybe the green is actually for SF2 through SF4 (including 3), and that's where Urien and Alex may land. On the other hand, I believe ComboFiend himself said "it's not that simple" when these notions came up, so really, anything can happen. So, you guys can keep your excitement levels up. But for TGS' reveal, people are guessing either Karin or Ingrid. Whatever it will be, I have to say I'm pretty excited! ...I just need a PS4.

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"Re(2):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Fri 28 Aug 18:54post reply

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Maybe they'll make Nadeshiko one of her alts so you can play as her with Mika as the tag partner.



I hope so - I prefer Nadeshiko's no-nonsense style to Mika's gimmicky looks. That might actually get me to consider buying the game, although ideally Nadeshiko wouldn't bother with the microphone and butt attacks.
Here's hoping for some Yun/Yang-style divergence in a later game...





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"RainBOOOOOW!" , posted Fri 28 Aug 23:08post reply

Now that I've thought about it, I've realized a lot of my antipathy for Mika comes from my not being a huge fan of her debut game. Since it looks like she's going to play differently -and have a much different game engine in which to run around in- I'm starting to really warm up to her return. First off, I'm looking forward to seeing what can be done with Nadeshiko. Having an assist character in a game where no one else has assists is always comedy gold. Even though I don't know how good it will be I'm also looking forward to seeing what can be done with her microphone talks. SF5 seems to be trying to make certain you can't simply zone out grapplers without consequences since both Birdie and Mika can now easily hang back and build meter. It certainly beats poor Zangief having to sit 'n spin while on the other side of the screen.

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Maybe they'll make Nadeshiko one of her alts so you can play as her with Mika as the tag partner.


I hope so - I prefer Nadeshiko's no-nonsense style to Mika's gimmicky looks. That might actually get me to consider buying the game, although ideally Nadeshiko wouldn't bother with the microphone and butt attacks.
Here's hoping for some Yun/Yang-style divergence in a later game...


That's the problem I see with having a Nadeshiko alt; it wouldn't seem right for her to be trying to build up Mikamania hype during the middle of her fight with her straightforward style. Maybe at some point the two characters will diverge but right now I'm hoping Mika's ending is her and Nadeshiko wrestling over who is the actual tournament winner.

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The IGN rewind video shows a sign in the background of the stage reading "Thanks [for something or other]". The sign has a character on it that looks a lot like Maki from CvS2. Does anyone know if this sign was on this stage since the beginning or if this is a new addition??


A rather poor look at the sign can be seen here.

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I still have trouble believing all of Siliconera's list, because the way they showed the arrangement for the starting roster was 8 in a green rectangle, 4 in a red rectangle for new characters most likely, and 4 in a blue rectangle--these are, as for now, just Alpha characters. It might actually be that the blue slots are more of a mix between Alpha and 3 as if it was a container for those not coming from Street Fighter 4. Or maybe the green is actually for SF2 through SF4 (including 3), and that's where Urien and Alex may land. On the other hand, I believe ComboFiend himself said "it's not that simple" when these notions came up, so really, anything can happen. So, you guys can keep your excitement levels up. But for TGS' reveal, people are guessing either Karin or Ingrid. Whatever it will be, I have to say I'm pretty excited! ...I just need a PS4.

Is Mika the TGS reveal or is there a second character coming soon? I have no idea anymore. At this point the only thing I know for certain about the Siliconera list or any other rumor about this game is that it will be debated right up until the moment the game ships.





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"Re(1):RainBOOOOOW!" , posted Sat 29 Aug 00:58:post reply

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First off, I'm looking forward to seeing what can be done with Nadeshiko. Having an assist character in a game where no one else has assists is always comedy gold.
The funniest thing so far is how low-polygon Nadeshiko is! The first thing I thought of was the crappy low-polygon mice that Brandon noticed in our lovingly Anti-FFXII thread.
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"Re(1):RainBOOOOOW!" , posted Sat 29 Aug 01:09post reply

That's a good point about Nadeshiko not working very well as an explicit alt for Mika. I can still hope she'll be in though! The work of making her model is already done, so hopefully she'll be in somehow.

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Now that I've thought about it, I've realized a lot of my antipathy for Mika comes from my not being a huge fan of her debut game. Since it looks like she's going to play differently -and have a much different game engine in which to run around in- I'm starting to really warm up to her return. First off, I'm looking forward to seeing what can be done with Nadeshiko. Having an assist character in a game where no one else has assists is always comedy gold. Even though I don't know how good it will be I'm also looking forward to seeing what can be done with her microphone talks. SF5 seems to be trying to make certain you can't simply zone out grapplers without consequences since both Birdie and Mika can now easily hang back and build meter. It certainly beats poor Zangief having to sit 'n spin while on the other side of the screen.


Hmm, now that you mention Zangief, I wonder if he'll even be in the game this time around given we've already got Mika as a grappler. I always hold out hope that SFV will deviate even a little from having all of the SFII characters in it.





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"Re(2):RainBOOOOOW!" , posted Sat 29 Aug 01:34post reply

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Hmm, now that you mention Zangief, I wonder if he'll even be in the game this time around given we've already got Mika as a grappler. I always hold out hope that SFV will deviate even a little from having all of the SFII characters in it.



Well, considering SFV is supposed to have only 16 characters (at least initially) and Mika is the tenth or so revealed, we can be sure that not all of the SFII characters will be in SFV.

And that's my main surprise with Mika. My surprise isn't due to the fact that she is returning, as the SFIV upgrades did bring back several fighters who weren't exactly super popular (Dudley, Hugo, Rolento, T.Hawk, Dee Jay, Adon...), but due to the fact that she is returning IN THE MAIN INITIAL CAST. I'd expect her to return in one of the eventual DLC packs (assuming Capcom will follow the Killer Instinct route to expand the SFV cast after its release).





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"Re(3):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Sat 29 Aug 01:52post reply

I was vigorously against R.Mika because she was trash in Zero3. Not merely because she was weak, but also her gameplay wasn't different enough to be interesting, her niche was already covered by several characters... The only new thing she brought on the table was her design, and in such a crowded game, it wasn't enough.
But since most of her moves have been replaced and the only thing that remains is her design, I am very happy to welcome the first SF character with her own tailor-made striker system. You go girl!
She's a female character with a body type that is unique in SF and very uncommon in fighting games in general, and she's also one of the rare wrestling characters that broadcast everything goofy about their discipline (the only other I can think of is Beowulf). Not a goofy wrestler like Fuerte, whose moves themselves are as serious as Zangief's or Clark's: she's a wrestler that's not pretending she's doing anything else than a show (too bad the opponent didn't get the memo).
Another thing I like about this reveal: even more than Birdie, Nash or Ken, the improved Mika proves that nothing is set in stone, and the days of SF4 forcefully transposing characters into a different system without adapting them are over.
They can now bring back anyone they want, even Joe, Retsu or Sean; I'm confident they'd find a way to make something out of them. Heck, I'm even curious to see how they would tweak Sagat to finally make him an interesting character.
My only disappointment so far is Cammy, still a snore-fest without any of the improvements Decapre should have given her. The backgrounds are also few and lame, let's hope they will keep adding them in the future.

Finally, there is something to be said about a fighting game that invites Mika and Necalli together in its limited starting playground. That unlikely couple is a sort of reverse Juri+Hakan, the over-the-top-seriously-evil and the over-the-top-goofy, with Ryu as the martial-artist-boring-on-purpose in the middle.
Only Street Fighter can bring such different characters together in its universe and still remain coherent and focused (Well, Smash could, but that's another story).
Oh! And hopefully, if Mika gets the slot of the joke character, we could even be spared Dan! If Mika can save us from the unfunniest character in existence, she's even more welcome to stay.
Now let's hope they don't forget about adding some actual new characters to the game...





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"Re(4):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Sat 29 Aug 02:10post reply

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Oh! And hopefully, if Mika gets the slot of the joke character, we could even be spared Dan! If Mika can save us from the unfunniest character in existence, she's even more welcome to stay.
GOD yes. Dan was barely funny in 1996 when SNK was still relevant, but now? His inane garbage is almost ironically mean-spirited now, like laughing at an injured man.
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"Re(5):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Sat 29 Aug 03:19post reply

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GOD yes. Dan was barely funny in 1996 when SNK was still relevant, but now? His inane garbage is almost ironically mean-spirited now, like laughing at an injured man.

Dan was funny for exactly one moment, when I played SFZ and unlocked him for the first time after reading about it on a newsgroup (or was it here at the Cafe? I don't honestly recall). After that he was a punchline missing a joke at worst and an inclusion for the sake of including a bunch of characters at best.
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Haha, I wouldn't be too upset about Deejay if they changed him up as much as they did Nash!





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"Re(6):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Sat 29 Aug 05:16post reply

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Dan was funny for exactly one moment, when I played SFZ and unlocked him for the first time after reading about it on a newsgroup (or was it here at the Cafe? I don't honestly recall). After that he was a punchline missing a joke at worst and an inclusion for the sake of including a bunch of characters at best.



Some time ago I fired up SFZ again and noticed that the first version of Dan isn't actually funny at all. Trying to win with him is the funny part. It wasn't until the later games that they really tried to make his personality funny, and not just make him useless. The weak-underdog-let's-poke-fun-at-AOF2-Dan was kind of cool, while goofy Dan is simply annoying and lame.





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"Re(5):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Sat 29 Aug 06:20post reply

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Dan was barely funny in 1996 when SNK was still relevant, but now? His inane garbage is almost ironically mean-spirited now, like laughing at an injured man.


Dan was always mean-spirited.

Sure, fighting games have fairly loose definitions of "balance". And sometimes characters are meant to be weaker than others. Sometimes you had joke characters that were never meant to be serious. But with Dan, even with recycling a lot of Ryu/Ken assets, you had Capcom spending the effort to design a full-fledged character who was intentionally meant to be bad.





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"Re(6):NOW THIS IS STREET FIGHTER" , posted Sat 29 Aug 11:03post reply

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Sure, fighting games have fairly loose definitions of "balance". And sometimes characters are meant to be weaker than others. Sometimes you had joke characters that were never meant to be serious. But with Dan, even with recycling a lot of Ryu/Ken assets, you had Capcom spending the effort to design a full-fledged character who was intentionally meant to be bad.


Which, paradoxically, makes him a great character. Winning with Dan isn't a victory with an intentionally inferior character, it's a statement about the inherent doom of fighting games. Once you have more than one character in a fighting game the ideal of balance is lost. Programmers can try to make certain that every character has the tools necessary to win but the concept of a perfectly balanced fighting game is a lie people tell themselves so they can sleep at night. Dan exists to show people the truth. Other characters mock the concept of game balance -such as any version of Iori ever made- but only Dan is intentionally gimped. In this he proves the other truth of fighting games; you will always lose. Many factors play into a fighting game match but in the end your odds of success are 50%. All the joystick movement and button presses are simply a fancy way of flipping a coin. When you first start learning a game you are destined to lose, lose and lose again. People who are good at a fighting game only got there because they were willing to lose their way to victory. But even those who have stumbled to greatness know that one mistake will cause them slide to the bottom of the hill. Fighting games are nasty, brutish and short, where the only certainty is failure. Dan is the Game Over screen that awaits us all.





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"Re(2):RainBOOOOOW!" , posted Sun 30 Aug 06:23post reply

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The funniest thing so far is how low-polygon Nadeshiko is! The first thing I thought of was the crappy low-polygon mice that Brandon noticed in our lovingly Anti-FFXII thread.



I can say this years later because I never tried that abomination near release date, but FF XII holds the wonderful record of being the second game that has put me to sleep while trying to play (the first one being FF VIII, congratulations square!). When I went to sleep with XII, I think I even woke up with more levels thanks to how the game was designed

Furthermore I finished FF XIII like 2 weeks ago and I can confidently say that the battle system is basically worse evern more so than FF I + I don't really appreciate battle systems that let me repeatedly press accept on the controller without even looking at the screen while reading a magazine and then reward me with capped battle scores.

......... With that, and me now having started Star Ocean the Last Hope, I totally feel like that one villain from Yuyu Hakusho that actually managed to steal a video tape that contained all of humantity's worst sins recorded inside; and used it to corrupt the minds of his shota underlings.






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"historical musings of the suplex" , posted Mon 31 Aug 10:17post reply

The suplex in Greco-Roman wrestling has a legitimate application within the rules of Greco-Roman wrestling because making your opponent's shoulders touch the ground is a scoring/winning condition, together with it being a throw of grand amplitude, etc. Now, I imagine that the rules of winning/scoring weren't quite so particular in the earliest incarnations of the sport, but that throwing your opponent really hard would be grounds for winning because let's face it winning by KO is pretty much the oldest winning condition of any combat sport.

So here's the question(s):

The first time somebody landed a suplex in competition, what was the audience reaction like, and why has it not been more prevalent in the ancient artistic depictions of wrestling? Maybe the only audience at the time were other wrestlers since it hadn't yet become a popular spectator thing, in which case I imagine a whole bunch of burly wrestlers flipping their shi* and giving whatever their linguistic equivalent of "YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" was. But what about the first time pure spectators saw it? Maybe the artists charged with creating depictions of the events at the time needed to ensure the sanctity and grace of their depiction of athletic challenges, in which case overt depictions of HYPE would be taboo and unfashionable.

Lost to time, there was probably some pop artist who may have indeed been willing to attempt to depict the act without the graveness demanded by the state of the art, and this first brazen depiction of people going WHERE YOU AT WHERE YOU AT and otherwise losing their minds.

This is totally the kind of thought that occurs to you as you are working on things tied to synchronized animations for the Nth hour.





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"Re(1):historical musings of the suplex" , posted Mon 31 Aug 20:58post reply

I'm thinking the opposite. If the ancient Greek wrestling was a public sport for Olympiads, most of the guys (citizens) in the public must have been athletes themselves in their youth, meaning they had mastered the Art Of Suplex around age 10.
In other words, the delicate and artistic society of Athens was inhabited with people for whom a suplex was as trivial as picking your nose. People suplexed others in the street just to say hello, happy birthday or why didn't you reply my text message, and bystanders just rolled their eyes and said "dudes, grow up".





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"Re(2):historical musings of the suplex" , posted Tue 1 Sep 01:54post reply

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I'm thinking the opposite. If the ancient Greek wrestling was a public sport for Olympiads, most of the guys (citizens) in the public must have been athletes themselves in their youth, meaning they had mastered the Art Of Suplex around age 10.
In other words, the delicate and artistic society of Athens was inha