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"Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Mon 16 Jan 03:07:post reply

There sure are a lot of fighting games out these days! My horrifying Halloween tale of mid-match controller death was truuuue, and I need your help! Assuming you didn't sell your Toxico's soul for the genuine Sega-made USB Saturn pad that went out of print long ago, these are the options I see:

Madcatz SFIV Fightpad
: I've used these before but still don't know if I can overcome the aesthetic crimes of SFIV's art.

Madcatz SFV Fightpad Pro
: These are blessedly free of SFIV stuff, but I hear the dpad is surprisingly terrible?

Udon PS2 pad
: While it seems insane to buy another one of these and to keep using a PS2>USB converter, it served me well until the...incident.

Hori Fighting Commander (2016)
: This new edition ditched the misshapen design and added a PC switch, but I'm still uneasy about a cross pad as opposed to an 8-way, even though I think Mosquiton or Freeter told me in the other thread to open up my mind.

Decades later, I still suck at joysticks.





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"Re(1):Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Mon 16 Jan 05:42post reply

The only pad I've ever tried in person among those is the SFIV one, I really like its D-Pad but the PS3 version inevitably stops syncing with the dongle after some months, which made me angry on MadCatz for not making both versions wired. Guess you'll buy the X360 one if you go for this controller, so you won't have to brace yourself for such a horror story. Stay away from the SFxT model at any cost!! Diagonals are a nightmare on that thing.

I'm tempted to buy a Hori someday, mostly for emulation purposes, but since 32 bit systems feature games which require analog thumbsticks, I always resort to PS2 knockoff pads x'D





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"Re(2):Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Mon 16 Jan 07:21post reply

You can still get Sega "Play" USB controllers which are just rebranded Saturn USB pads. Search Ebay for "sega play usb" or "sega play controller" to find them.





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"Re(3):Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Mon 16 Jan 07:56:post reply

Interesting points both, including that there's a difference between the SFIV and SFxT Madcatz controllers. Speaking of differences, thanks for the reminder of the Sega Play version of the Saturn USB pad, which I'd forgotten about. I've generally read that its quality is inferior to the original Sega Logistics Service version, this thread included, but I imagine it's still better than the Chinese Retrolink knock-offs that infest the internet nowadays.  (I don't know if you can have a controller "harem," but if you can, this guy has one, and seems to corroborate the above.)

Or maybe I'm being overly cautious on the cross pad on the new Hori. I never found the SFC pad easy to use for fighters, but maybe this is better?





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"Re(4):Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Mon 16 Jan 14:41post reply

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Interesting points both, including that there's a difference between the SFIV and SFxT Madcatz controllers. Speaking of differences, thanks for the reminder of the Sega Play version of the Saturn USB pad, which I'd forgotten about. I've generally read that its quality is inferior to the original Sega Logistics Service version, this thread included, but I imagine it's still better than the Chinese Retrolink knock-offs that infest the internet nowadays.  (I don't know if you can have a controller "harem," but if you can, this guy has one, and seems to corroborate the above.)

Or maybe I'm being overly cautious on the cross pad on the new Hori. I never found the SFC pad easy to use for fighters, but maybe this is better?



You are driving me insane, man!

I have the old, weird/awesome-shadows model, but get the Hori.





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"Re(5):Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Mon 16 Jan 18:36:post reply

Just a little follow up: the SFxT MadCatz can be improved, but you must open it -don't know what kind of screws it sports, they're so freaking tiny- and place a cross carved out of a clamshell plastic box into its D-Pad. People say it works, but that doesn't mean I'm not strongly against that abomination of a pad.





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"Re(5):Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Tue 17 Jan 05:34:post reply

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You are driving me insane, man!

Ha, but d-pads are devastatingly important! Why, the need for Saturn-y perfectness burns so deeply that sometimes for old times' sake I just need to... MESSATSU
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Just a little follow up: the SFxT MadCatz can be improved, but you must open it and place a cross carved out of a clamshell plastic box into its D-Pad.
Advanced techniques! Very interesting. I also opened up my busted pad and found that the d-pad corresponded to a plastic cross that in turn hits the plastic covers over the circuit board...even some two-ton epoxy, which is the Final Atomic Buster of superglue, couldn't fuse that plastic base back together well enough to survive a stress test.





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"Re(6):Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Tue 17 Jan 19:45post reply

For what it's worth, I used to have a MadCatz SF4 one for PS3 which after some months of play became unusable, as the D-pad was stuck in the down direction - hopefully those things have improved since.





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"Re(6):Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Wed 18 Jan 01:11post reply

Wow even this place is out of stock.. it's becoming harder and harder to fix vintage gaming

It's times like these that Amazon Japan reviews can be actually helpful.

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"Re(1):Saturn USB Controller's Revenge" , posted Wed 18 Jan 03:36post reply

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There sure are a lot of fighting games out these days! My horrifying Halloween tale of mid-match controller death was truuuue, and I need your help! Assuming you didn't sell your Toxico's soul for the genuine Sega-made USB Saturn pad that went out of print long ago, these are the options I see:

Madcatz SFIV Fightpad
: I've used these before but still don't know if I can overcome the aesthetic crimes of SFIV's art.

Madcatz SFV Fightpad Pro
: These are blessedly free of SFIV stuff, but I hear the dpad is surprisingly terrible?

Udon PS2 pad
: While it seems insane to buy another one of these and to keep using a PS2>USB converter, it served me well until the...incident.

Hori Fighting Commander (2016)
: This new edition ditched the misshapen design and added a PC switch, but I'm still uneasy about a cross pad as opposed to an 8-way, even though I think Mosquiton or Freeter told me in the other thread to open up my mind.

Decades later, I still suck at joysticks.


The Udon PS2 pad was the only thing closest to a good fighting pad available since at the time, the DC was dead. It was also the time when most of us had to use a Playstation 2 for fighting games. I think I remember one of the buttons falling or not pressable anymore.

I also had the SFIV pad for the X360 and it was great for my fightng games. However, it was so annoying that the mini piece (adapter?) at the end of the cord connecting to the usb always had a tendency of falling off very easily. So many matches I lost thanks to that piece!

The Hori crosspadd might be as good as the DC controller. I believe that was the only original console controller that worked well with fighting games. At least during my time.

Maou, as much as I wanted to buy and own Arcade Sticks, I was never good with one. I did have one but we were told to clamp it down on a table. We did not do that as it would scratch or dent the Arcade Stick.





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"Re(7):Hori's Revenge" , posted Wed 18 Jan 09:53:post reply

Thanks, Cafe! In view of the perils of perishing Madcatz pads and the additional Amazon Japan reference, I've trusted Mosquiton as usual and am about to try the new Hori, certain that reprisals will be swift if this advice fails me...I mean, that it will be wonderful! I will report.

Maybe we can start a general controller thread one day. I'd never thought of the DC controller as one of the greats for fighters, though it's a perfect match for Soul Calibur.
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Wow even this place is out of stock.
They may be out, but this is a great resource all the same, Professor! I love that their mission statement involves bringing love, justice, and human prosperity!





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"Re(8):Hori's Revenge" , posted Tue 24 Jan 10:26post reply

THRILLING UPDATES

I've been breaking in the 2016 version of the Hori Fighting Commander, pleasantly devoid of the ghastly malformed design of the previous edition and the Madcatz product. Now I'm passing my results to YOU, the taxpayer:

I have never seen a cross pad that worked this well! Even my sorry ass can pull of 720s, and that's a good enough test for me! I'm impressed by how much resistance/spring-back the d-pad has, almost like a joystick. This will work just fine until Sega gets over their reluctace to making unlimited money on a Saturn pad reissue.

Not that they matter that much, but the shoulder buttons feel crappy and flimsy. Why?

Like other pads which are not the Udon pad, the face buttons unhelpfully include R1 and R2 rather than R1 and L1, leaving you with unhelpful duplicate R1 and R2 buttons on the right shoulder that you will never ever use, rather than being able to rebind them as a different button/function (grab, etc.) along with the left shoulder buttons. Too bad!

In conclusion, I look forward to continuing to be a B- player of fighting games with you all online, courtesy of this helpful advice. Thanks, Cafe!





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"Re(9):Hori's Revenge" , posted Tue 24 Jan 13:04post reply

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I've trusted Mosquiton as usual and am about to try the new Hori, certain that reprisals will be swift if this advice fails me.



Wow, sounds like Mosquiton's personal reputation as a guy who knows his stuff is on the line!

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I have never seen a cross pad that worked this well! Even my sorry ass can pull of 720s, and that's a good enough test for me! I'm impressed by how much resistance/spring-back the d-pad has, almost like a joystick.....

In conclusion, I look forward to continuing to be a B- player of fighting games with you all online, courtesy of this helpful advice. Thanks, Cafe!



I'm just going to assume this blanket thanks includes an unspoken "no reprisals," then.





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"Re(10):Hori's Revenge" , posted Tue 24 Jan 17:59post reply

Shall we try and turn it into a full fledged controller thread?

Hori granted my wish, a PS4 Noir style stick. I knew it'd happen right after the console Tekken 7 announcement. Given how I'm not a fan of the Viewlix aesthetics, I may waste some serious bucks on this thing in June.





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"JOYSTICKS AND CONTROLLERS THREAD" , posted Wed 25 Jan 10:12post reply

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Wow, sounds like Mosquiton's personal reputation as a guy who knows his stuff is on the line!
I'm just going to assume this blanket thanks includes an unspoken "no reprisals," then.

You are correct! The only reprisals that should be extracted are by you for my (d-pad)cross-doubting ways, I have seen the light! Please come back to SFV and we can test it, I promise to try to make the mod community patch Two-P into the game in the highly unlikely event that he is not already confirmed for Season 2.

JOYSTICKS AND CONTROLLER THREAD NOW
if you want

I'm thinking the Cafe must have some serious joystick buyers, a weighty proposition I've never considered (and not just because I'm better on pad). I recall Professor or Brandon or someone doing some serious button replacement work, and that it was hard to get good parts outside of Japan. What do you use?





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"Re(1):JOYSTICKS AND CONTROLLERS THREAD" , posted Wed 25 Jan 23:30post reply

quote:
Wow, sounds like Mosquiton's personal reputation as a guy who knows his stuff is on the line!
I'm just going to assume this blanket thanks includes an unspoken "no reprisals," then.
You are correct! The only reprisals that should be extracted are by you for my (d-pad)cross-doubting ways, I have seen the light! Please come back to SFV and we can test it, I promise to try to make the mod community patch Two-P into the game in the highly unlikely event that he is not already confirmed for Season 2.

JOYSTICKS AND CONTROLLER THREAD NOW
if you want

I'm thinking the Cafe must have some serious joystick buyers, a weighty proposition I've never considered (and not just because I'm better on pad). I recall Professor or Brandon or someone doing some serious button replacement work, and that it was hard to get good parts outside of Japan. What do you use?



I replaced my default stick with a sample a while back but nothing special otherwise! It's starting to make sounds so I think it needs to be greased..





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"Re(1):JOYSTICKS AND CONTROLLERS THREAD" , posted Thu 26 Jan 07:23post reply

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Please come back to SFV and we can test it, I promise to try to make the mod community patch Two-P into the game in the highly unlikely event that he is not already confirmed for Season 2.



Oh man, if I can catch up with work, find a new apartment, and buy a new television I might try to check out what's up with Claw in season 2.

I am feeling pretty out of the loop with SFV right now, and I haven't even checked out the KOFXIV graphics patch.





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"Re(1):JOYSTICKS AND CONTROLLERS THREAD" , posted Thu 26 Jan 21:06post reply

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JOYSTICKS AND CONTROLLER THREAD NOW
if you want


I'm glad you accepted my suggestion Maou ^^

I'm an occasional stick buyer, and almost all of them are used:
-a Hori Fighting Stick EX2
-two Namco -one's joystick is loose as fuck, probably from savage wiggling on the previous owner's part, and it's a shame because it's Japanese judging from its label; the other is still doing great-
-a Japanese Tekken 5 modded with Sanwa buttons -X, Square, Triangle and L1 match the MVS color layout- and a dark red balltop, a MadCatz Soul Calibur V X360.

The only stick I've bought brand new so far is the HRAP.V Hayabusa I chose to match my PS4.





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"Re(2):JOYSTICKS AND CONTROLLERS THREAD" , posted Sat 4 Feb 19:19post reply

MadCatz Tekken 7 sticks coming

While I was kinda expecting it -not sure because of their recent troubles-, seeing the Noir layout living on in a MadCatz stick is awesome to me.





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"Re(3):JOYSTICKS AND CONTROLLERS THREAD" , posted Wed 8 Mar 18:00post reply

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MadCatz Tekken 7 sticks coming

While I was kinda expecting it -not sure because of their recent troubles-, seeing the Noir layout living on in a MadCatz stick is awesome to me.



Wish they'd have extended it to TE-S+, a much better stick. My custom stick was built off of the old Soul Calibur V TE-S, one of the two prior Noir TEs they did (TTT2 also), feels much more solid than TE2 to me.







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"Re(9):Hori's Revenge" , posted Wed 8 Mar 22:26post reply

Dear Café,

A friend who's been playing Street Fighter as Claw since SF2' is looking for a new pad to start SF5.
Am I right assuming both Mosquiton and Maou recommend the Hori Fighting Commander pad on PC?







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"Re(10):Hori's Revenge" , posted Thu 9 Mar 03:59post reply

MadCatz is still making sticks? I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, I honestly thought they were in such dire shape that they were even going to be around this summer much less put out an entirely new stick.







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"Re(2):Re(10):Iggy's Revenge" , posted Thu 9 Mar 10:51:post reply

I have been very pleased with Mosquiton's expert recommendation. First time a cross pad (as opposed to a full circle) hasn't let me down, showing that it's all in the pad indentation as opposed to the shape.

However Madcatz itself is doing, I remember noticing at least a few people complaining that the d-pads on those SFV Shadowloo-branded pads didn't work well.

For my 10,000th post, who will buy me a genuine SLS Saturn pad for PC?



PS: Dear Iggy, I never get to play against any Claws, please invite him to our next lounge.





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"Re(3):Re(10):Iggy's Revenge" , posted Sat 11 Mar 23:58:post reply

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I have been very pleased with Mosquiton's expert recommendation. First time a cross pad (as opposed to a full circle) hasn't let me down, showing that it's all in the pad indentation as opposed to the shape.

However Madcatz itself is doing, I remember noticing at least a few people complaining that the d-pads on those SFV Shadowloo-branded pads didn't work well.

For my 10,000th post, who will buy me a genuine SLS Saturn pad for PC?



PS: Dear Iggy, I never get to play against any Claws, please invite him to our next lounge.



Is it going to rain handcuffs tomorrow? Maou has changed his avatar in lord knows how long! (Next time I'll use claw.

Madcatz is not doing well. Personal prediction is they'll get delisted next FY.





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"Re(4):Re(10):Iggy's Revenge" , posted Fri 31 Mar 23:57post reply

Madcatz declared bankruptcy. This may not be the end but you can certainly see the end from here.





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"Re(5):Re(10):Iggy's Revenge" , posted Sat 1 Apr 00:05post reply

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Madcatz declared bankruptcy. This may not be the end but you can certainly see the end from here.



Well, I posted it as well in the Fighting Games Thread.

Yeah, everything has gone for worse with Mad Catz.





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"Re(6):Re(10):Iggy's Revenge" , posted Sat 1 Apr 19:26post reply

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Yeah, everything has gone for worse with Mad Catz.


The writing's been on the wall for a while... when I was trying to get TE parts over a year ago (you know, they stocked them in all colors so you could customize!) there was almost nothing in stock. And everything that was in stock was the last of what it was. And this wasn't just TE/TE-S, they had abandoned the TE2 line which had been advertised around that stuff as well. Already!

Logitech bought Saitek from MCZ, but I think only the flight stick stuff- which means the Saitek Eclipse/Mad Catz/Cyborg V5 keyboard is finally dead. I've long since moved on to a mechanical keyboard but I had such fond memories of those. Sad.

ANYWAY... the online store didn't last much longer after the part drought, I don't think, and that's when I kinda figured my next case would not be one of theirs. They lasted longer than I expected. It's too bad, the Noir TE-S enclosure from SCV/TTT2 is still my favorite stick in terms of size and general lap feel out there.