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"Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Thu 21 Apr 16:50:post reply

I hereby request that we start a Kinu Nishimura thread. She has always been one of my art heroes. I love her work, but I know next to nothing about the legendary woman herself other than that she was quite respected and feared at Capcom.

I'm sure the Professor and other esteemed posters who are fluent in Japanese have all sorts of tasty morsels of information about her that currently do not exist on the English speaking side of the internet. For instance, I know she's done some awesome doujinshii and visual novels, but I don't know where to get them.

Here is my one interesting story about her from the time me and some buddies got to interview Daigo Ikeno at the Japan Expo 2nd Impact 2014.

According to Ikeno-Sensei, Kinu was very respected and very very feared at Capcom. She and Akiman were the top guns. He said that Kinu would often come over and watch people draw at their desks. She didn't have to say anything. If she had a slightly bemused expression on her face it meant that your work just wasn't cutting it and the shame of that would drive people past their limits. I wish I could have witnessed her wordless thrashings in person.

Daigo Ikeno continues to call her his sensei to this day.






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"Re(1):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Thu 21 Apr 17:35post reply

I adore Kinu's work. Whether it's the colorful (literal and personality-wise) Capcom masterpieces that made the 1990s art books such treasures, the evocative expressions of the Dragon's Crown guest art, or character design so good as to make even a (probably) weak game like Code of Princess look appealing, Kinu's technical skill and sense of fun are unsurpassed in my book. I love that story you heard about her wordless cuts.
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Daigo Ikeno continues to call her his sensei to this day.
As well he should. Weren't those SFIV designs his fault?





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"Re(1):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Thu 21 Apr 18:02post reply

I don't have much to add other than the fact I love her ensemble pieces.

Especially the ones with Devilotte for some reason - her particular character archetype has been done countless times before and after, but subtle things in her design (the harsh-looking thick belt in the middle of an otherwise delicate princess-ish dress and the big forehead giving extra intensity to her gaze, I guess) just make it work really well and kept her around as living memory of Cyberbots in other games like Puzzle Fighter and Project X Zone.
I wish that game's setting and designs got used again beyond the usual Jin and Devilotte, even if in a completely different genre... Super Robot Wars presence when?...





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"Re(1):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Thu 21 Apr 19:45:post reply

Kinu self-admittedly is known to be really good at what's called yojou-han (four-and-a-half straw mat) composition, which simply refers to compositions that are confined to a relatively small space, let it be indoors or outdoors. A few good examples would be this and this.

As a student, Kinu decided to go into art school because of her desire to work in the manga field. But one day she saw Akiman's artwork in an issue of Gamest Magazine and she was stunned that someone that good was in the videogame industry. Long story short, that's how she ended up deciding to work at Capcom.

Until then, she assumed that the road to drawing stuff in manga-style was really hard and long because her impression was that the main market at the time was in the anime field where major artists like Yoshikazu Yasuhiko were around. But realizing that there was also the videogame market where she can try her luck-- and it was a market that felt more realistically feasible to her since the companies were always recruiting for new artists, she decided to take that route.

Ironically, she's tried her hands on manga last year with a solo doujinshi but apparently ran out of gas because it was a new experience, and ended up having OnepunchMan's Murata helping her out on a few pages. I should've picked it up...!!

Little is it known that she's probably even better at drawing with a more realistic touch.





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"Re(2):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 01:04post reply

When you're at the deadline and the person you can get to pinch hit for you is Murata, you're really something.





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"Re(2):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 03:29post reply

I didn't know her name, but recognized her work here and there, than probably around the release of 999 when her name became more popular in the west (more videogames blog&news site used her name explicitly in their posts) I recognized her "hand" and started to link all her works I saw in the past that I liked and didn't know it was hers.
Like the SVC artworks, for example this one posted earlier by the Prof, it's one my preferred artwork ever.
I love how she draw and especially how she use colors.

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... Cyberbots ...
I wish that game's setting and designs got used again beyond the usual Jin and Devilotte, even if in a completely different genre... Super Robot Wars presence when?...



Well, SRW already had Cyber Troopers Virtual-On in the past, it's not completely impossible for Cyberbots to get in a SRW.





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"Re(3):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 06:00post reply

I have an absolutely fascinating long story of love, hate frustration and excitement with Capcom and Kinu is an important piece on all of the ups and downs I had there.

I still remember seeing her SF2 cast illustrations through magazines and grieving that the in-game art didn't look any like that.



..... If the MMCafe somehow had a "the men of our dreams" award, I'm sure Kinu would somehow have gotten plenty of nominations; that speaks respect.






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"Re(1):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 11:18post reply

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I hereby request that we start a Kinu Nishimura thread. She has always been one of my art heroes. I love her work, but I know next to nothing about the legendary woman herself other than that she was quite respected and feared at Capcom.



Kinu is actually my favorite Capcom artist. It's hard for me to think of game characters as real people sometimes... I usually tend to think of them as icons or abstract concepts. But the expressiveness Nishimura puts in characters' faces (well, not just the faces) just really sells it for me. When I think of a character outside of playing a Capcom game, if she's drawn them I'm probably going to think of her illustrations. She even makes characters I hardly care about seem super cool.

Which is why her SNK character illustrations for CVS felt like a special present. I also loved her art in Cannon Spike. I would suggest to Capcom a Monster Hunter-like game called Alien Hunter, starring Simone (with or without the rollerblades).

Since Akiman has already been brought up, here's something strange I've noticed. Both he and Nishimura have a similar takes on half-naked battle princesses. I wonder if they sat down and talked about this one day?

"So, what do you think are the most important qualities for a fighting princess to exhibit?"

"Hmm... I would have to say long, blonde hair, and a state of dress close to total nudity. But I guess she does need some armor."

"Well, one should put some super-chunky armor pieces on her, for sure. Just don't cover up anything important."





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"Re(2):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 15:32post reply

Great art selections, Mosquiton. On the subject of Kinu and Akiman, this reminds me: does anyone have some favorites among the myriad Capcom/SF artbooks over the years that feature their work?

I particularly remember a popular one from the mid 1990s that I foolishly never bought, featuring a huge collage of SF/Vampire/other characters on the front. Later, there was the All About Capcom one, a fairly huge recent one, and a number of others. With Kinu and SFV on the mind, I feel like now's the time to fill this gap in my collection: any thoughts?





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"Re(3):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 17:14:post reply

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Great art selections, Mosquiton. On the subject of Kinu and Akiman, this reminds me: does anyone have some favorites among the myriad Capcom/SF artbooks over the years that feature their work?

I particularly remember a popular one from the mid 1990s that I foolishly never bought, featuring a huge collage of SF/Vampire/other characters on the front. Later, there was the All About Capcom one, a fairly huge recent one, and a number of others. With Kinu and SFV on the mind, I feel like now's the time to fill this gap in my collection: any thoughts?



Capcom Design Works is my art bible. If I had to pick just a single artbook to own, that would be it. It has a really great sampling of the best of Capcom's art from the 90s through the early 2000s. It was the first thing I ever ordered from Amazon Japan (along with Katsuya Terada's Monkey King and Kazuma Kaneko's MegaTen books--all worth their weight in gold!).

Here's a nice writeup on Capcom Design works:
http://cdn.halcyonrealms.com/illustration/capcom-design-works-art-book/
If you do decide to order it, might as well do it through that website so they get a little kickback from the link.

If there is a series that you particularly like, I recommend you get the corresponding book for it to go alongside Capcom Design Works.

For instance, the Vampire/Darkstalkers book is excellent and full of awesome illustrations, mostly from Bengus:
http://cdn.halcyonrealms.com/illustration/vampire-artworks-capcom-games-art-book-review/

If you love Kinu and Akiman then your best bet is the 25th Anniversary Art of Street Fighter book:
http://www.parkablogs.com/content/book-review-sf25-art-of-street-fighter

Be careful not to confuse it with the previous, 20th Anniversary book, which has less content:
http://cdn.halcyonrealms.com/illustration/the-art-of-street-fighter-street-fighter-artworks/

Akiman has some really great standalone books too. For instance this one is a collection of his more recent game illustrations, including stuff outside of Capcom:
http://cdn.halcyonrealms.com/illustration/akimando-akira-yasuda-art-works-book-review/

Here's his Turn A Gundam book, full of beautiful impressionistic paintings:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E5%AE%89%E7%94%B0%E6%9C%97-%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0%E3%83%87%E3%82%B6%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BA-%E5%AE%89%E7%94%B0-%E6%9C%97/dp/4048532936/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1461312664&sr=1-1&keywords=%E2%88%80%EF%BC%88%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%B3%E3%82%A8%E3%83%BC%EF%BC%89%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0

He was a real innovator when it came to digital painting, and bringing a classical approach to comics/games/animation art in general.

Most of Capcom's artbooks are quite excellent with the exception of the Street Fighter vs Tekken book which has zero art from the luminaries, with the exception of the cover that Akiman phoned in.

If you find yourself split between the Japanese and US versions, I recommend you get the Japanese editions for their superior print quality. For some reason the US editions from Udon tend to be printed on paper that's either too thin like magazine stock or too thick with a weak spine so the pages fall out easily. They ARE in English though, so if you're a super fan (who can't read Japanese) get them both! :D

I wish Kinu would release a collection of her work. Same for Bengus and Ikeno. If anyone has any links to Kinu's self published works I would super duper appreciate that. My body and soul yearn with every fiber for those Kinu x Yusuke Murata books!






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"Re(4):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 19:16post reply

Little known fact (I think?): if you have a Japanese 3DS, you can even buy a digital version of the Capcom Design Works in the Dokodemo Honya-san app. Both the early years tome and the (revised) modern years tome are there, sold separately. I am not sure why you'd do that, but it's possible, and therefore I did it. Unfortunately, the app astutely does not allow screenshots on Miiverse (to prevent people from freely sharing pages of One Piece with each other) so it's impossible to share your love of Kinu that way.





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"Re(4):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 19:47post reply

I had forgotten how good her work on CvS was (especially compared to Shinkiro)(never been a fan of him).
If Capcom is serious about monetizing SF5, they should have "have all the characters on the selection screen drawn by Akiman (500Y), Nishimura (500Y), etc". With the option to mix&match and have Chunli Akiman vs Nishimura Laura.
Ikeno, Bengus, Shinkiro... They could make some good money while giving work to talented people AND celebrating their own legacy, something they're obviously trying to do with the Guile stage.
I would love to see Edayan as well, but he's probably chained in a basement somewhere.

And the last one would be Hiroaki, it would be gorgeous, and the moment the option goes live the game server breaks and Capcom goes under.





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"Re(5):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 20:54post reply

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I had forgotten how good her work on CvS was (especially compared to Shinkiro)(never been a fan of him).
If Capcom is serious about monetizing SF5, they should have "have all the characters on the selection screen drawn by Akiman (500Y), Nishimura (500Y), etc". With the option to mix&match and have Chunli Akiman vs Nishimura Laura.
Ikeno, Bengus, Shinkiro... They could make some good money while giving work to talented people AND celebrating their own legacy, something they're obviously trying to do with the Guile stage.
I would love to see Edayan as well, but he's probably chained in a basement somewhere.

And the last one would be Hiroaki, it would be gorgeous, and the moment the option goes live the game server breaks and Capcom goes under.



Did not realize he illustrated other Capcom games after I seen posts of his other work from the cafe members. His CVS illustrations are cool indeed.

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Here's a nice writeup on Capcom Design works:
http://cdn.halcyonrealms.com/illustration/capcom-design-works-art-book/
If you do decide to order it, might as well do it through that website so they get a little kickback from the link.

That final fight one still amazes me.

Moving out of topic to Shinkiro and a question for the professor, does Shinkiro provide personal illustrations for those seeking art non-gaming wise? Say if a customer wanted Shinkiro to create a picture of his family or so?





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"Re(5):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 21:00post reply

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If Capcom is serious about monetizing SF5, they should have "have all the characters on the selection screen drawn by Akiman (500Y), Nishimura (500Y), etc". With the option to mix&match and have Chunli Akiman vs Nishimura Laura.



I like the idea but each DLC would cost much much more to be realistically feasible.





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"Re(6):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 21:23post reply

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I like the idea but each DLC would cost much much more to be realistically feasible.

Because nobody except a couple of die-hard would buy them?
Ah, or do you mean because you would need to future-proof the concept because of the new characters constantly added to the game?
Well, then... 100Y for a group of 5 characters by this artist, with possible overlap between different artists?





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"Re(5):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 22 Apr 22:10post reply

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I had forgotten how good her work on CvS was (especially compared to Shinkiro)(never been a fan of him).


Indeed, her work in that series is incredible. Unfortunately Shinkiro was in his airbrush-mush-look slump back then. Just compare something he made for the Real Bout series with something from KOF 2000. Ugh. Though I can understand how drawing the same characters on plain white backgrounds every damn year can be a curse.

Her work on the SF3 series is what I appreciate the most. I think she really sold those new characters with her style. Anyone who disagrees with that probably plays IV.





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"Re(6):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Sat 23 Apr 12:34post reply

Great round-up, Nobi! Now I can get down to the business of acquisition.

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Anyone who disagrees with that probably plays IV.
Heheheh. It's such the perfect cut-down (sorry, Ikeno). While in my mind even Kinu couldn't save SFIII's designs from themselves, her renditions are certainly the most appealing versions of that cast I've seen---I can still remember the exact expressions/poses on certain characters, despite not having seen them for years.





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"Re(7):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Sat 23 Apr 12:39post reply

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Because nobody except a couple of die-hard would buy them?
Ah, or do you mean because you would need to future-proof the concept because of the new characters constantly added to the game?
Well, then... 100Y for a group of 5 characters by this artist, with possible overlap between different artists?



In your scenario, I assume everyone is paid in advance, at the very least via a minimum guarantee on DLC sales until some royalties system eventually kick in (but I don't think they'd even bother with that and simply ask for a flat fee). There are 22 characters to draw minimum. For practicality, let's assume Capcom suddenly gives up and stays at 22 max. That's still quite a hefty workload; hell, it might be more than what Akiman had to do for Star Ocean V.

Even at JPY100 for 5 characters, that's only JPY20 revenue/character/purchase for Kinu, and you have to assume neither Capcom, Dimps nor Sony nor Steam are taking any cut out of this purchase despite the additional costs of integrating and digitally distributing those drawings into the game. And no VAT.

I assume Capcom would want at the very least $40.000 revenue to justify this insane entreprise (and that's practically charity at this rate), which we can convert loosely for the sake of arguemathics into JPY4 Millions. So you'd need to sell 40.000 of those JPY100 DLCs to reach this revenue (again, with no cut for Sony or Steam, and no VAT).

A more realistic figure would be JPY1500 per artist pack, and you get all 22 characters. That raises the value of each illustration to roughly 50~60 yens + tax, everyone can realistically get a very small cut out of it. Still very risky for Capcom but not "sorryJimyouarefired" risky. It could be justified as a PR move or a driver for the digital store's activity.I assume the few people who'd give a damn about this DLC would be OK with that price. Wouldn't you?

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"Re(7):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Mon 25 Apr 15:22:post reply

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Great round-up, Nobi! Now I can get down to the business of acquisition.



Glad I could help!

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Anyone who disagrees with that probably plays IV.Heheheh. It's such the perfect cut-down (sorry, Ikeno). While in my mind even Kinu couldn't save SFIII's designs from themselves, her renditions are certainly the most appealing versions of that cast I've seen---I can still remember the exact expressions/poses on certain characters, despite not having seen them for years.


Your hatred of SFIII from an artistic standpoint is like a dagger through my heart lol!

Re: SFIV, keep in mind that Ikeno actually had some GREAT character designs lined up before they forced him to change things up for god knows what reasons. For instance, King Cobra looked GREAT.

I especially liked the version of him that looked like Kareem Abdul Jabbar in Game of Death.

http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/representation/cobra_kareem.jpg

His NBA sized physique was so cool. Very unique for video games. I love his flamboyant fur lined boxing robes, combined with the hard as nails ball and chain belt. His face looks awesome too. And you can even see that there's something slightly off with his eyes, they're a bit too light because he was probably meant to be photosensitive like the character in Game of Death.

The version of him as a younger man was also awesome:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WRN2c0Z2h0U/VYKXRZSq4CI/AAAAAAAACH8/SdIs4jVCnq0/s1600/king%2Bcobra%2Bstreet%2Bfighter.jpg
It would have been great to have a straightforwardly cool young black dude in a fighting game. This design would have made so many people happy.

Hell, even the version of him as a big fat dude with a spikey fro and gold chains was cool! A fresh take on a well worn stereotype.
http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/howtodraw/rufusconcept01.jpg

But instead we got Rufus.
[url=http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/cobra_rufus01.jpg
]http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/cobra_rufus01.jpg
I don't know what happened. Like, what kind of horrible feedback did they give Ikeno to turn a cool black dude who practices his own original form of martial arts into a disgusting fat white guy who wants to be Chinese? Did someone high up just really love Bob from Tekken? Did they see Bob's hamburger hat and say "yes, that's it!" And why did Rufus have to REPLACE King Cobra? Why not both characters?

Also, El Fuerte was SO MUCH COOLER when he was an stocky middle aged mexican man:
http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzwqq6kub61qfnmveo1_500.jpg

In any case, Daigo Ikeno is awesome and although I have no love for SFIV as a game, I do love the art he produced for it.

I don't understand how Capcom can still have artists like Ikeno, Bengus and Edayan on staff, but for SFV they decide to farm everything out to people who are accustomed to doing art outsourcing for FPS games. And I really don't understand why so much of the fan base is lapping it up.






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"Re(8):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Mon 25 Apr 15:37:post reply

God, that King Cobra transformation is the saddest thing I've ever seen. Only thinking about Kinu could make me feel good again after that! Speaking of which:
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Your hatred of SFIII from an artistic standpoint is like a dagger through my heart lol!
Ha, never fear, our tastes are still closely aligned (and did you see Oju's stuff I e-mailed you?). And never fear, even if I hate nearly all of SFIII's character designs, I have such huge respect for the quality of the animation and the art itself that it evens out. Think of it in terms of Capcom's 90s Marvel games: I don't like superheroes at all, but they look magnificent there, the best they could possibly look. III characters done by Kinu are similar for me. The New Generation art is especially interesting.

Meanwhile, I'm carefully weighing whether the 120% markup rate on the 25th anniversary artbook is worth the trouble, or whether I'll feel like a sap when the 30th anniversary artbook comes out next year and is even bigger.





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"Re(9):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Mon 25 Apr 20:37post reply

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Your hatred of SFIII from an artistic standpoint is like a dagger through my heart lol!

Class of 2116, pay attention: people from the early XXIst century used to add emoticons and seemingly meaningless words such as "LOL" on the internet to send thinly veiled threats.
A modern translation of the sentence above will be "If one day the police finds your dead body in a dark alley strapped onto an arcade machine of SF4 and you look like you've been forced to play Rufus until your fingers fall off, they won't be able to trace it back to me".

The King Kobra travesty is still a huge mystery for me. Even more is the fact none of the new SF5 characters are black. Fortunately none of them are white either so that's a bit of diversity, but I fully expected someone at Capcom USA to at least read all the positive responses to Kobra on the net, send them back to Japan and push to re-introduce the character.
Apparently, the new black bystander in Guile's stage will be featured in the scenario mode, so maybe he's a contender for being upgraded to playable character in the future? He looks so underwhelming compared to all these Kobra designs...
I boggles my mind that a series so centered on the US market only has 4 black characters in total, only 1 of them American, and all of them were introduced before Capcom US took the direction of the franchise. What is the US branch doing?

I have a lingering doubt that part of Gouki's popularity comes from the fact he's one of the rare badass-for-15-years-old dark-skinned character featured in the game.





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"Re(8):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Mon 25 Apr 22:02post reply

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His NBA sized physique was so cool. Very unique for video games.


Lucky Glauber was already based on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar back in 94 - they just decided to emphasize the basketball factor because apparently they feared he'd look too plain - could have been less of an issue in 3D with the possibility of alternate outfits...





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"Re(10):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Tue 26 Apr 01:14post reply

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Your hatred of SFIII from an artistic standpoint is like a dagger through my heart lol!
Class of 2116, pay attention: people from the early XXIst century used to add emoticons and seemingly meaningless words such as "LOL" on the internet to send thinly veiled threats.
Heheh, while I would probably need police protection if I went to Shoryuken.com while mentioning how I think SFIII is even less enjoyable than Virtua Fighter, I know I am safe with Nobi as long as I underline how 3S Chun-Li's 1000000 frames of animated perfection still make me want to play a game I don't like.

Moving this back towards Kinu, I'd love to avoid the cheap Google route and ask people what other huge games they remember her work from. Her joyously vibrant style is a perfect match for Rockman and I know she's drawn him in various Capcom collages, but not sure about her actual involvement in various projects over the years. Inform me~





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"Re(2):Re(10):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thre" , posted Tue 26 Apr 04:52post reply

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Her joyously vibrant style is a perfect match for Rockman and I know she's drawn him in various Capcom collages, but not sure about her actual involvement in various projects over the years. Inform me~



I guess I will have to double dip here. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this given the huge amount of love on this board for JoJo and Dragon's Crown, but Dungeons & Dragons: Shadow over Mystara has some pretty cool art.

Welcome to the D&D World!


Cheers, the whole group is hanging out at the tavern. It's what adventurers do, after all.

It's Lucia and... Moriah. Absolutely no nuts and bolts concealed in her clothing. There may be a few gems, knives, and flaming oil bombs, though.

Also, the 2P design for the thief (Shannon) is hanging out to the left of the larger illustration.

One more thief, because she looks great.

I also like Mystara's wizard. A bit of arcane power in the hair.





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"Re(3):Re(10):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thre" , posted Tue 26 Apr 20:28post reply

Oh yeahhhh! More great selections, Mosqui-tan. Like the real D&D, I've only played the arcade D&D for the briefest of moments but have enormous respect for it given the things I love that built on them (all RPGs for the former, Dragon's Crown for the latter).

Kinu's work on those characters is beautiful. Her appreciation of the female form is fantastic, and backed up by wonderful design choices, and (bringing back the Dragon's Crown connection) the American internet has no hope of understanding it.





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"Re(2):Re(10):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thre" , posted Wed 27 Apr 00:57:post reply

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Class of 2116, pay attention: people from the early XXIst century used to add emoticons and seemingly meaningless words such as "LOL" on the internet to send thinly veiled threats.Heheh, while I would probably need police protection if I went to Shoryuken.com while mentioning how I think SFIII is even less enjoyable than Virtua Fighter, I know I am safe with Nobi as long as I underline how 3S Chun-Li's 1000000 frames of animated perfection still make me want to play a game I don't like.



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Ah man always loved those games! I grew up playing D&D with my brothers. Capcom did such an amazing job translating the D&D experience to an arcade Beat em Up. I could go on and on bout the gameplay, but this is the Kinu thread so I'll focus on the art.

GODDAMN ITS SO GOOD.

Her take on each character class is so fresh and so iconic. That's the word I find myself using over and over again when describing what the legendary Capcom artists did best.

Like the Fighter. He's wearing lots of plate mail, but he doesn't look like a knight that belongs to a kingdom. He looks like an adventurer. The way his chunky armor hangs over his muscular frame is balanced so well. It looks so natural in Kinu's style. I think this design (and this game in general, but particularly this design) must have had a huge impact on the guys at Blizzard. Warcraft (Nov 1994) came out a year after Tower of Doom (1993). I mean Blizzard definitely primarily drew upon Games Workshop for inspiration, but my intuition tells me Capcom was a big influence too.

The Wizard is so flippin cool. A far cry from the usual awkward frail medieval nerd. This guy looks like he could have been in a 90s post-hardcore punk band. He still feels like a wizard though. His look of absolute seriousness tells you he's a very studious person.

And the Thief! Oh man, she was my favourite! Thieves are typically smarmy, raggedy men concealing knives. But Kinu's thief is an awesome, athletic dark skinned woman wileding a broad sword. She still looks like a thief though, in her iconic hood, thick utility belt and overall free spirited demeanor.

I think this may have been the first game I can recall where I liked using a girl character the best. As a kid I just didn't like using girly characters typically. The thief was just awesome. Not cos she was pretty or sexy (nothing wrong with those things), but cos she was COOL in the same way that all the guy characters I tended to like were cool (she was the closest thing the game had to a ninja).

Kinu made a spiritual successor to her in Code of Princess, in the thief character Ali Baba.

That game had a great cast too! And a great sense of humour! It's a shame that so many people in the US are so quick to call it sexist, cos it very much feels like a game made from a more female perspective. Like Master T Drakkhen isn't obviously sexualized at first glance, but somehow I get the feeling he is touching on Kinu's personal fetishes (strong older brother kungfu fighting bondage man)

If that game had better in-game graphics that actually looked like Kinu's art, it would probably be one of my favourites.

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According to Wikipedia, Kinu actually wrote the story to Code of Princess! I can't read Japanese, so I can't really verify this, but playing the game I really did get the sense that a woman must have written it cos the women actually feel like women while the men did not feel like characters that a dude would come up with (in a good way though).






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"Re(3):Re(10):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thre" , posted Wed 27 Apr 03:58post reply

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"Re(9):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Wed 27 Apr 06:35post reply

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SFIII's character designs ... 90s Marvel ... Kinu


One of the reasons why Necro is one of my all time favourite Street Fighter characters is because he has that 90's superhero vibe going on.

And when I see him drawn by someone else than Kinu I usually think "wow, that is the worst character design ever."





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"Re(4):Re(10):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thre" , posted Wed 27 Apr 10:49post reply

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cos
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please think of the children you're influencing

Hahaha, never fear, Spoon, "cos" is merely a healthy way of showing vereration for MOK-KOS.

Nobi, you're right that Kinu did indeed do the original story design for Code of Princess, though hard to tell how much the director impacted after that. I always wanted to play the game based on her designs, but the in-game pictures I saw didn't draw me in. Am I missing out on a beautiful Kinu World?





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"Re(5):Re(10):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thre" , posted Thu 28 Apr 00:25post reply

There is much to love about the D&D games but one thing I found charming was how it handled 2P characters. Graphically they were just recolored bodies with modified heads but they felt and looked like distinct characters. It's too possible to mistake which character is which when using palette swaps but the D&D characters rarely had this problem even when the screen was filled with action. Being able to build an entire secondary cast out of such limited pieces was a neat trick.





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"Re(volt):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Thread" , posted Fri 6 May 22:07post reply

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I might be missing on some smartphone app collaboration but I believe Kinu's next game-related involvement will be in Culdcept Revolt this summer.


Well then. No idea if we'll hear more about her involvement but it was highlighted as something important in the reveal trailer.





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"Re(1):Re(volt):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Th" , posted Sat 7 May 05:58post reply

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I might be missing on some smartphone app collaboration but I believe Kinu's next game-related involvement will be in Culdcept Revolt this summer.

Well then. No idea if we'll hear more about her involvement but it was highlighted as something important in the reveal trailer.



Wow thats awesome news! Thank you so much for sharing that! Did I hear it correctly? The announcer seemed to say that Kinu is doing the character desing as well as the story?






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"Re(2):Re(volt):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Th" , posted Sat 7 May 07:56post reply

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I might be missing on some smartphone app collaboration but I believe Kinu's next game-related involvement will be in Culdcept Revolt this summer.

Well then. No idea if we'll hear more about her involvement but it was highlighted as something important in the reveal trailer.


Wow thats awesome news! Thank you so much for sharing that! Did I hear it correctly? The announcer seemed to say that Kinu is doing the character desing as well as the story?



Culdcept deserves the love, and deserves the Kinu as well. At least the main characters will have better haircuts than last time.





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"Re(2):Re(volt):Kinu Nishimura Appreciation Th" , posted Sat 7 May 18:04post reply

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Did I hear it correctly? The announcer seemed to say that Kinu is doing the character desing as well as the story?

Unfortunately no, she only did the designs.
But you might know Nishimura Kinu-san because of her work on the Story...t fighter series.





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"Kinu card battle" , posted Wed 11 May 21:03post reply

Here is the link to the Culdcept Direct. Not much said about Kinu but you see a lot of her designs (featuring a sorceress with Kinu-worthy cleavage and a lovable putz named Zonks), and they have increased their efforts on the contents of the scenario / single player part so players will actually have a decent motivation to see them in-game. Once again, enemy characters will become playable pawns ("scepters") in multiplayer after they are beaten. It does not seem Kinu is involved in any card's design, but I guess that would have been weird since her characters represent "real life". On the other hand, her character designs featured prominently on the game's cover.

It seems a pretty big demo of the game will be made available on the (Japanese) eShop today.

(As a general sidenote, I think the Direct does a really good job at showing where and how they improved the game. I don't know if it will be the "FE Awakening" of the Culdcept series but I could see it catch the attention of new players. It certainly pumped me up to try the demo tonight. I have been shit at Culdcept since the Saturn version but I will probably give it one more try, especially if some friends also get into it like we did for Monster Hunter. The contents of the DLC packages also make sense. Also this video shows the promotion of the game is going in the right direction.)





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"Re(1):Kinu card battle" , posted Thu 12 May 03:27:post reply

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Here is the link to the Culdcept Direct. Not much said about Kinu but you see a lot of her designs (featuring a sorceress with Kinu-worthy cleavage and a lovable putz named Zonks), and they have increased their efforts on the contents of the scenario / single player part so players will actually have a decent motivation to see them in-game.



It's impossible to ignore the cleavage, but the color-scheme and face are also quite lovely, in my opinion.

EDIT: Not directly Kinu related, but I see they're adding a card upgrade mechanic as well (seemingly limited to specific "breed" cards), possible microtransactions for customization items via "net shop," and a different way obtain cards to opening "packs." Not completely unexpected, and the series really did need to do something about the way cards were obtained (or not) since it was previously impossible to obtain certain cards without grinding long matches on particular stages. I'm personally hoping for a way to "recycle" cards you don't need, as well.

The game looks pretty good so far, it feels like they're putting a lot of effort into the production overall.





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"Re(1):Kinu card battle" , posted Thu 12 May 11:45:post reply

Kinu's stuff is perfect, as usual. On principle, I like the clearly Matsumoto Leiji-derived Captain Harlock-esque Saik (Psych? Seich?) at 2:52. Oh, and Clint Eastwood Night Hawk is fantastic, right down to the squint! Almost helps overcome the sort of dismal-looking in-game graphics. I was just complaining about this for Code of Princess, too, come to think of it. Why can't Kinu work for Vanillaware and have her work featured in lavish gorgeous 2D extravaganzas?





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"Re(2):Kinu card battle" , posted Thu 12 May 15:54post reply

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Kinu's stuff is perfect, as usual. On principle, I like the clearly Matsumoto Leiji-derived Captain Harlock-esque Saik (Psych? Seich?) at 2:52. Oh, and Clint Eastwood Night Hawk is fantastic, right down to the squint! Almost helps overcome the sort of dismal-looking in-game graphics. I was just complaining about this for Code of Princess, too, come to think of it. Why can't Kinu work for Vanillaware and have her work featured in lavish gorgeous 2D extravaganzas?



Having Kinu様 joining Kamitani's ranks would be too awesome to be true. That would finally close the circle and the old Capcom guard that made the Dungeons & Dragons arcade miracle possible would be reunited again. Somehow, I don't see that happening anytime soon, though...






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"KAISER PENGUIN" , posted Thu 12 May 16:09:post reply

ye gods

in addition to Kinu's delightful Captain Harlock and Clint Eastwood lookalikes, there is a giant KAISER PENGUIN available in this game





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"Twitter" , posted Fri 13 May 11:22post reply

You can follow both the official Culdcept twitter as well as Kinu's Twitter to see more of her art (and various artworks such as cards designed by the author of Gunnm). She has been posting a bunch of rough drafts and character illustrations from Culdcept Revolt since the broadcast.

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"Famitsu" , posted Thu 19 May 12:12post reply

Yup.





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"Culdcept" , posted Wed 22 Jun 07:31post reply

I thought this month's (or rather next month's (so actually the August issue of)) Dengeki Nintendo would be all about Culdcept but it's actually spending almost all its energy on Fire Emblem Cypher (the card game), even giving away some cards as a gift. There are a bunch of pages about Culdcept but they don't feature any new art by Kinu and rather focus on the game's mechanics. Last week's Famitsu (the E3 issue with a lot of Nier Automata inside) did feature a bunch of new characters from the Story Mode. No full frame illustrations unfortunately. There is a new Culdcept Direct tonight June 22nd at 20:00 JST which might also feature new characters.





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"Re(1):Kinucept" , posted Sun 19 Feb 18:02post reply

Culdcept Revolt for 3DS will arrive in the west this summer.
Never played any game in this series, but the Kinu artworks can convince me to buy it.





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"Re(2):Kinucept" , posted Mon 20 Feb 00:56post reply

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Culdcept Revolt for 3DS will arrive in the west this summer.
Never played any game in this series, but the Kinu artworks can convince me to buy it.



Culdcept is the coolest and dorkiest game you will ever play. Do it.





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"Re(2):Kinucept" , posted Mon 20 Feb 02:53post reply

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Culdcept Revolt for 3DS will arrive in the west this summer.
Never played any game in this series, but the Kinu artworks can convince me to buy it.

Exact same feeling. But yeah super glad this one's being localized.





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"Re(3):Kinucept" , posted Mon 20 Feb 04:33post reply

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Culdcept Revolt for 3DS will arrive in the west this summer.
Never played any game in this series, but the Kinu artworks can convince me to buy it.


Culdcept is the coolest and dorkiest game you will ever play. Do it.



The 3DS game will be a good starting point?





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"Re(4):Kinucept" , posted Mon 20 Feb 10:41post reply

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Culdcept Revolt for 3DS will arrive in the west this summer.
Never played any game in this series, but the Kinu artworks can convince me to buy it.


Culdcept is the coolest and dorkiest game you will ever play. Do it.


The 3DS game will be a good starting point?



I think it might be. I think you can hold more cards, roll two dice instead of one (less likely to crawl across the board... you can still roll a 1 though), and there are some other changes as well that don't seem like dumbing down but may make the game a little smoother.

So... Maybe!





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