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| |  "Re(1):Fighting Game Thread 2023" , posted Tue 24 Jan 21:07  
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New year, new thread!
Granblue Fantasy: Versus is getting a sequel. I guess the franchise itself is still doing well, since the initial Versus game was so hobbled by the initial outbreak of COVID-19 that it never found a long-term audience as a fighting game. Good to see it getting another chance.
More importantly, the game now features the game within a game, Grand Bruise Legends. Chibi versions of the characters will compete in adorable Fall Guys style battles. This mode will not only help the game sell 10 million copies, but it will become the tournament standard instead of that silly fighting mode.
Whoa, this Grand Bruise Legends mode looks very fun! If the fighting game itself isn't enough incentive for buying the sequel, this mode definitely is!
Arc System Works seems to be establishing itself as the main developer to deliver good fighting games with third-party licenses, isn't it? Granblue Fantasy: Versus, Dragon Ball FighterZ, Persona 4 Arena... hopefully all this extra work won't make them forget to make a new Guilty Gear or BlazBlue game from time to time, though (then again, I think GG Strive still has two DLC characters to be announced and delivered, so it seems they are still taking good care of their own franchises).
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| | "Re(3):Fighting Game Thread 2023" , posted Wed 25 Jan 07:21
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Arc System Works seems to be establishing itself as the main developer to deliver good fighting games with third-party licenses, isn't it? Granblue Fantasy: Versus, Dragon Ball FighterZ, Persona 4 Arena... hopefully all this extra work won't make them forget to make a new Guilty Gear or BlazBlue game from time to time, though (then again, I think GG Strive still has two DLC characters to be announced and delivered, so it seems they are still taking good care of their own franchises).
One shouldn't forget that Arc System Works also delivered the bare bones DNF Duel and the even more disappointing Kill la Kill IF.
Oh well... then again, it's not as if other notorious fighting game developers hadn't delivered some pretty bad games themselves, sometimes having even more resources for the development (I'm looking at you, Capcom, SNK and Bamco).
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| | "Here Comes a New JOJO Challenger!" , posted Mon 30 Jan 21:04:
Rudol von Stroheim is the second DLC character.
The trailer seems to indicate that there are two more characters to complete the roster (that is, assuming Bamco doesn't decide to do a Season 2 - but considering this game's age, I doubt they will). Personally, I'd like to see Yasuho and Wonder of U and its user (I won't put the name of the user because I'm not sure if everyone here already knows the identity and that's a major mystery in JoJolion that I don't want to spoil for those that don't know), just so that each Part of JJBA would have its protagonist, deuteragonist and main antagonist in the roster (remembering that no, Joshu is not JoJolion's deuteragonist).
But at the same time, I'm already very satisfied that FF and Risotto were added to the game, so at this point, Bamco can choose the worst possible characters and that's okay for me.
EDIT: another cool possibility would be to add one of DIO's sons from Stone Ocean... with the other two sons acting as his assists (like Pesci to Prosciutto), so that they could meet their father and their fourth brother Giorno in-game. Then again, that wouldn't make much sense, as the three brothers aren't close partners like Prosciutto and Pesci, and if I remember correctly they don't even care about (and barely know) each other.
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| | "Guilty of delaying new releases" , posted Fri 10 Feb 21:33:
It seems there will be a short delay in the release of the next DLC character and stage for Guilty Gear Strive.
That makes me wonder... who could the final two DLC fighters be? I suppose A.B.A. would be a nice choice, due both to her interesting playstyle and to give her story some closure. Then again, there are other possibilities, like Dizzy, Johnny, Slayer (all three of them being fan-favorite characters), Elphelt (so that all the Valentine sisters are together once again) or President Gabriel (he was already shown as a great fighter but was never playable before). Some people are also betting on Delilah; personally, I wouldn't choose her, but Bedman was interesting in Xrd, so maybe she could be interesting, too.
Also, I wonder if, after the final two DLC characters are released (and in the case that Arc System Works decides not to make a Season 3), there will be an extra Story Mode chapter focused on Testament, Bridget and these two DLC fighters, just like they did with Baiken's chapter. Even though, in my opinion, Strive's story (both the main one and the Extra chapter) feels quite underwhelming when compared to Xrd's and its two upgraded re-releases.
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| | "Re(2):Here Comes a New JOJO Challenger!" , posted Tue 7 Mar 19:48
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I seriously can't believe this is real.
When I dropped this as my obscure pick for the game like a year ago, I figured it had absolutely no chance of coming true. I mean, I was sincere but... is there anyone, anywhere, in the entire Jojo fandom that even thought to ask for this character besides me?
I feel like I'm in a dream here. This is freaking wild.
Oh wow! That's a great addition!
I always wanted to see what they could do with him, since they managed to do Shigecchi and I'd expect them to face the same design issues.
Also, more new characters while there are still people to port from EOH means the chances for a season 2 are still there somewhere.
And also, yeah, if Keichô is on the table, the wish lists can REALLY expand to even more obscure picks! Bring in Erina Joestar and that weird stone-dog that appears for 2 panels in part 8!
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| | "Re(3):Here Comes a New JOJO Challenger!" , posted Wed 8 Mar 04:51
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I seriously can't believe this is real.
When I dropped this as my obscure pick for the game like a year ago, I figured it had absolutely no chance of coming true. I mean, I was sincere but... is there anyone, anywhere, in the entire Jojo fandom that even thought to ask for this character besides me?
I feel like I'm in a dream here. This is freaking wild.
Oh wow! That's a great addition!
I always wanted to see what they could do with him, since they managed to do Shigecchi and I'd expect them to face the same design issues.
Also, more new characters while there are still people to port from EOH means the chances for a season 2 are still there somewhere.
And also, yeah, if Keichô is on the table, the wish lists can REALLY expand to even more obscure picks! Bring in Erina Joestar and that weird stone-dog that appears for 2 panels in part 8!
He had a cool power, but died quite early (and it's odd how Okuyasu pretty much forgets him afterwards, only remembering him when Akira reveals himself).
Personally, I wouldn't choose Keichô, as Part 4 already has a large number of characters in the game in comparison to Parts 1-2 and 6-8. But he looks cool, so I'm not going to complain about his inclusion, either.
As for obscure characters that could/should be included... I guess I'd choose Part 3's Midler with that design she had in the Capcom game (yes, I know I'm being a hypocrite for saying that I wouldn't choose Keichô because Part 4 already has many characters when Part 3 also has lots of characters in this game). Part 2's Santana would be nice, too. Or that duo of deceased heroes that Dio resurrected as his slaves in Part 1 (fighting as a single character, like Prosciutto & Pesci).
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| | "Re(6):Here Comes a New JOJO Challenger!" , posted Fri 10 Mar 00:43
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Aren't most of them already included in ASBR, anyway?
Well, Debo, Midler, Alesy and all 3 versions of Anubis had different and interesting move sets.
Yellow Temperance wasn't particularly interesting, but I guess there's a way to make it interesting? Maybe?
Midler, Debo, Chaka-Anubis and Polnaref-Anubis at least would be cool additions. But many people would be very upset if we had a season 2 that was full-part 3 (adding N'dour for good measure!).
More reasonnably, if you count Weather in the first season pass, and the last character is from part 1/3/7/8, it would be a good and varied package after Risotto (5), Weather (6), Stroheim (2) and Keichô (4).
Season 2 could be a similar wide spread with characters from 3, 5, 7 and 9 for example.
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| | "Re(7):Here Comes a New JOJO Challenger!" , posted Fri 10 Mar 01:38
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Aren't most of them already included in ASBR, anyway?
Well, Debo, Midler, Alesy and all 3 versions of Anubis had different and interesting move sets.
Yellow Temperance wasn't particularly interesting, but I guess there's a way to make it interesting? Maybe?
Midler, Debo, Chaka-Anubis and Polnaref-Anubis at least would be cool additions. But many people would be very upset if we had a season 2 that was full-part 3 (adding N'dour for good measure!).
More reasonnably, if you count Weather in the first season pass, and the last character is from part 1/3/7/8, it would be a good and varied package after Risotto (5), Weather (6), Stroheim (2) and Keichô (4).
Season 2 could be a similar wide spread with characters from 3, 5, 7 and 9 for example.
That would be great. But is there any chance for this game to get a Season 2?
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| | "GG Strive news" , posted Mon 13 Mar 07:12
Okay, so the next DLC character is... Bedman?
Other than that, there are indications that "That Man" will be the final DLC character... of Season 2. Because yes, there will be a Season 3. That means, more chances for A.B.A. to be rejected in favor of other characters.
While I'm not very well-versed in the Guilty Gear series, it's nice to see Arc System Works is still supporting it. Once Strive is over (which fortunately won't be happening until 2024 - or even later, in case it gets a Season 4), I wonder what the next step will be... Guilty Gear vs. BlazBlue, perhaps?
(...nah, their mechanics probably wouldn't mesh well together)
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| | "Re(2):GG Strive news" , posted Mon 13 Mar 20:43
First, I adore the name. It's not "Delilah", it's not "Bedman Mk2", it's "Bedman?" and I'm here for the GG insanity.
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I'm wondering where a new Guilty Gear would go, as the Strive has continued to write characters to "happy" endings. Even though characters' stories can of course be continued and expanded, Strive would honestly be a pretty natural end to the series.
I feel that there is a real possibility Strive was supposed to be the last of the series, or the last of the era at least, with a major change in cast both as characters and as developers for the next one. As you say, the fact most long-standing narrative arcs get resolved all in one go feels pretty definitive.
But again, as Maou says, nothing prevents them from creating a new threat coming out of nowhere and characters are forced out of retirement.
Also, I wonder how much the unexpected success of the game (compared to previous GGs) changed their plans. For a long time, GG was more or less their company card to get some contractor job with other people's properties, and even though they finally made it big with DBF, Strive's success on their 100% owned IP must have given them more to think about, if only to consider supporting Strive longer than initially planned.
All in all, a happy problem to have for everyone involved!
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| | "Re(1):Black Dahlia joins Skullgirls 2nd Encor" , posted Sat 1 Apr 22:43
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considering all the issues and fights involving the creator and developers of Skullgirls, I guess we should be glad that it's even getting new content at all.
I do wonder if there is a future for the franchise.
While they call it Season 1 Pass, with the obvious implication being that there is at least the idea of the possibility of a Season 2. It's had "Encore" and "2nd Encore" releases, but the base game will be 11 years old this month. That is a long time for a series to go without a legitimate sequel. At the same time, is there a combination of an IP owner, designers, and coders that both desire and have the ability to create a sequel that wouldn't ultimately be considered a disappointment in some fashion or another?
Okay, Virtua Fighter 5 is approaching its 17th anniversary, but that arguably is an example of the issue at hand. VF5 has seen long periods of no visible support by Sega, while occasionally getting recycled and re-released because Sega wants to keep making money from fans but seemingly have no interest in actually continuing the series.
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| | "Re(2):R# Kombat" , posted Fri 19 May 09:11
So, Mortal Kombat is being rebooted... again. Let's see how many games Boon's team will release until the next reboot.
Considering the choice at the end of MK11's Aftermath story, I'm disappointed that NRS went with the easier solution of following Liu Kang's ending instead of Shang Tsung's. Or, considering how MKX and MK11 were so focused on each kombatant having different "variations", they could even have both endings being canon, with the timeline being split in two during their battle and leading to different worlds fighting for supremacy over the other. Oh well.
And the gore is as graphic as ever, it seems. Lovely; I guess I may skip this one.
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Ha! But wait, wait, who will be responsible for playing through Mortal Kombat…Mythologies…? An action RPG featuring Sub-Zero?? I’m pretty sure I didn’t just see this in a strange dream but actually saw a preview in a US magazine as a kid?
The sad thing is, Mythologies isn't even the worst MK game. That distinction goes to PS1's Mortal Kombat Special Forces. Jax is one of my favorite MK kombatants, but even he couldn't save that awful excuse for a video game.
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| | "Re(3):R# Kombat" , posted Fri 19 May 18:29:
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Considering the choice at the end of MK11's Aftermath story, I'm disappointed that NRS went with the easier solution of following Liu Kang's ending instead of Shang Tsung's. Or, considering how MKX and MK11 were so focused on each kombatant having different "variations", they could even have both endings being canon, with the timeline being split in two during their battle and leading to different worlds fighting for supremacy over the other. Oh well.
My understanding is that it's exactly that: both endings happened, so both universes exist and it's going to be one universe against the other.
I'm curious about their concept of "Kameo". I understand it's a way of adding more obscure characters without making a full-fleged one (like Smash's assist trophies) and also of course adding more DLC. Will they be unplayable strikers like MvC1/KOF2000? It's a strange decision to take the series towards. Maybe also a way to add more guest characters where the rights owners don't want to see their character evicerated? So you could have Batman or Sarah Michelle Gellar in the game doing brutal stuff, but no violent murder and not being brutally murdered?
Anyway, back to ArcSys: I'm glad someone heard all the complaints about the game being too normal and the characters being too simplistic by ArcSys standards, because Asuka is totally insane. I barely have enough brain cells to play Leo, but I look forward for the craziness in tournaments.
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| | "Re(4):R# Kombat" , posted Fri 19 May 21:59
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My understanding is that it's exactly that: both endings happened, so both universes exist and it's going to be one universe against the other.
I hope you're right.
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I'm curious about their concept of "Kameo". I understand it's a way of adding more obscure characters without making a full-fleged one (like Smash's assist trophies) and also of course adding more DLC. Will they be unplayable strikers like MvC1/KOF2000? It's a strange decision to take the series towards. Maybe also a way to add more guest characters where the rights owners don't want to see their character evicerated? So you could have Batman or Sarah Michelle Gellar in the game doing brutal stuff, but no violent murder and not being brutally murdered?
Honestly, this system is the part that least interested me. I'm not saying that it's going to be bad or anything, but I don't see it really fitting with MK's identity, nor sticking for more than one game (just like MK9's tag battles; they were actually decent, but the MK audience quickly grew bored with them and then MKX dropped the tag system).
The only advantage I can see for "Kameo", at least for now, is the possibility of bringing obscure MK characters like Moloch, Nitara or Havik and thus pleasing the (few) people who like them, without having to dedicate time and effort to develop them as full-fledged kombatants.
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Anyway, back to ArcSys: I'm glad someone heard all the complaints about the game being too normal and the characters being too simplistic by ArcSys standards, because [url=Considering the choice at the end of MK11's Aftermath story, I'm disappointed that NRS went with the easier solution of following Liu Kang's ending instead of Shang Tsung's. Or, considering how MKX and MK11 were so focused on each kombatant having different "variations", they could even have both endings being canon, with the timeline being split in two during their battle and leading to different worlds fighting for supremacy over the other. Oh well.]Asuka is totally insane. I barely have enough brain cells to play Leo, but I look forward for the craziness in tournaments.
Yes, while I'm not a GG fan, Asuka looks very interesting. It seems that all the years people waited for him to become a playable fighter were worth it, after all.
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| | "Re(8):R# Kombat" , posted Thu 25 May 04:06
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This reminds me: Iggy, how is MK perceived in Europe? ...is it...even sold in Europe? Obviously it's a very "American" game which is totally unknown and unsellable in Japan today, but I'm curious about its global reach, in between the extreme violence and the "confused American view of Asia" aesthetic, that could either be fun (as it was to the vanishingly small number of Japanese players during the series' verrrry brief history there) or too strange to appeal.
I can't talk for all of Europe, but I can say that at least in Western Europe it's sold and is fairly well known. MK1 on Megadrive and MK2 on SFC were very successful, some fringe parents association probably cluched their pearls but no one really cared, and I remember seing it in arcades up to MK4.
So, it exists, but from what I remember from recent sales number, the overwhelming majority of modern MK sales are in North America, so I can't vouch on the overall popularity with modern European people. Tekken dwarfs it for sure, and Street Fighter or DBF sell more also.
There's also the issue that the other half of their production is Injustice, and DC comics, while known, really doesn't have the same appeal in Europe as the MCU, and I think I remember it selling far less than MK here [citation needed].
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| | "Re(1):And the final JJBA:ASBR DLC character i" , posted Thu 1 Jun 18:19
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...Part 7's Alternate World Diego Brando.
As weird as it may sound, considering that this is basically Diego with a different Stand, I actually liked this choice.
Now the question is whether there will be more content added to the game after Alt. Diego, or if there will be another JoJo game (not necessarily a fighting game) more focused on the new universe (Parts 7-9, although Part 9 has just started), or if this is the last news involving JoJo's Bizarre Adventure in video games for a long time.
It's a weak last character after a very strong DLC pack (I mean, anything with Risotto would be strong, but Keichô was such a nice surprise!). 2 new characters, 2 recycled EOH characters is not bad, all things considered!
They're already teasing some news for next week, so I guess the chances of a season 2 are high? N'dour and Joshu are still recyclable, and Abbacchio and Yotsuyu had 3D models but were unused so there's definitely material to start with. And as Keichô showed, anything is possible really.
All in all, Jojo is an evergreen franchise, so as long as Araki is working, we'll have games to come! Good or bad, it's all in Bamco's hands.
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