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|  "Re(5):LUPIN THE THIIIIRD!!! Maou is Coming" , posted Thu 18 Jan 10:07:  
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I think you can get a really solid introduction to Lupin by watching the Hayao Miyazaki movie, followed by watching Cowboy Bebop. I can explain this in greater detail later, or Maou can deeply analyze this content and explain how right it is in the current milieu in spite of being inaccurate in the scheme of the entire oeuvre.
Fear not, Badoor, you need only look to the previous thread!
Spoon is mostly right, and Cowboy Bebop channels Lupin very consciously, but start with Lupin vs. the Clone/Mystery of Mamo. This is the truest the screen ever came to the spirit of the comics. You may or may not like it (you will like it, or else), but this will help determine if you like Lupin as such. Miyazaki's Castle of Cagliostro is one of the finest adventure films ever made, though whether or not it is the best Lupin film in light of its "mellowed out older Lupin" is up for debate. All the other characters are in perfect form.
Even shorter version: watch Clone/Mamo, Cagliostro, select Miyazaki-directed episodes of Part II (Albatross: Wings of Death and Farewell, Dear Lupin), Fuma Conspiracy, Alcatraz Connection, Episode 0: First Contact, and Part IV. But others here can tell you that there are many ways and films with which to enjoy your new Lupantic lifestyle!
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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| "Re(6):LUPIN THE THIIIIRD!!! Maou is Coming" , posted Fri 19 Jan 01:22
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Even shorter version: watch Clone/Mamo, Cagliostro, select Miyazaki-directed episodes of Part II (Albatross: Wings of Death and Farewell, Dear Lupin), Fuma Conspiracy, Alcatraz Connection, Episode 0: First Contact, and Part IV. But others here can tell you that there are many ways and films with which to enjoy your new Lupantic lifestyle!
That's a good listing, although I'm surprised you didn't sneak Dead or Alive onto the recommendation list. Then again, your list is already a good dozen hours worth of Lupin so that should be more than enough for a normal person.
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
Twelve hours is nowhere near enough.
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| | "Re(10):LUPIN THE THIRD! & other spring animes" , posted Mon 26 Mar 00:11:
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Holy mackerel, I turn away for one week, and Lupin III Part 5 finally gets a promo video and an air date of exactly two weeks from now at 1:29am on the 4th, sort of like Part 4, on NTV. GET ON IT
Yeah, the art on the front page is kind of crappy, but the actual design in the trailer looks identical to Part 4, a fine turn of events. Meanwhile:
I always liked Zenigata. He looks like a goofball but he is competent and a good person. The problem is that he has to face terrible monsters INDEED
Ah Nice! So it's basically Lupin vs Social media(SNS), lol. Can't run away from it, it's all over the place! 
And talking about upcoming April animes, quite coincendentally there's also one called the SNS Police https://www.sns-police.com/ ...aaand also another one called Oshiri Tantei, which mean ASS DETECTIVE. We're not talking figuratively here, for anyone who can brave themselves to check the official site. Really, and I thought Pop Team Epic was weird.
For vintage lovers, there's a new Captain Tsubasa, Cutie Honey, and GeGeGe no Kitarou coming up. I don't think Kitarou is too well known though, is it?
Personally I think I'll be looking forward to the Lupin, Persona 5, and Professor Layton spinoff anime. A dark horse which I'm not sure what to make of is Megalobox, which is supposed to be a 50th anniversary tribute based on THE LEGEND OF SUCESS JOE... yes, seriously.
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| "Re(2):Re(10):LUPIN THE THIRD! & other spring" , posted Tue 27 Mar 22:42:
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For vintage lovers, there's a new Captain Tsubasa, Cutie Honey, and GeGeGe no Kitarou coming up. I don't think Kitarou is too well known though, is it?
I'm mostly curious to see how they'll handle the new Legend of the Galactic Heroes series, considering it has only 12 episodes while the original goes well over the 100 mark and part of the charm is how it backs up its huge scope with a high episode count while rarely making any single one feel superfluous, even when it can set a whole episode aside for a history lesson.
I'm a bit weary of the new designs (although Oberstein at least looks the part), but most of all I'll be disappointed if they leave out Hortense Cazzelnu( sp? Cazerne?), the smartest woman in the universe, who keeps herself safe from the violence on the ground or the exploding ships in space while giving insightful advice to her husband (in charge of logistics, a valuable position in any war or civilian effort) from the relative safety of her kitchen. It's kind of amazing how even the series wiki fails to do her justice, and I can't even find her dialog on Youtube, but just about every time she opens her mouth she quietly beats many a tactician in the series.
i also wonder if they'll make an infamous politician from the series look like someone who's been on the news a lot, since that sort of thing is so frequent nowadays - apparently the new series is basing itself more on the novels and possibly their character description, but how wonder how specific some of those descriptions were...
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| "Re(3):Part 5 goes live" , posted Wed 4 Apr 15:28
Watched it as soon as I saw this, haha.
I was expecting the OP to not compare to part 4 but wow they sure weren't aiming high. The art style seemed like it was trying to imitate something, but I am the opposite of an art expert here so I can't really think of a good excuse for how jittery and awkward it was. Always love the theme music though, and I do have a soft spot for the accordion! The ED music is lovely too, and if I'm not mistaken that's Sawashiro herself singing, but part 4's closer was just so good the bar is set a little too high.
The episode itself was indeed a bit slow, although I liked the (perhaps inadvertently, given what it was setting up) smart touch of Lupin and Jigen adopting disguises even when they're in gallivanting about, which makes logical sense but never seems to happen that much. Also the bold move that acknowledges a great deal of Lupin III's history in the episode itself. I just hope that doesn't mean this will turn into another Red vs. Green situation. The girl character is whatever, as eccentric redheaded computer hackers go she's no Cowgirl Ed and her explanations of her situation and why she wanted to leave seemed really unnecessary, but I guess they needed to establish that she's so "wired in" that she has no common sense.
The Lupin Game idea has me intrigued, though. It could make for either an extremely clever thriller or an incredibly stupid one, depending on the level of tone-deafness it chooses to take with social media. While I don't think it'll last for the whole series, I hope it's given the proper time to develop as a clever threat and isn't just completely outsmarted by the end of episode 2.
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| "Re(5):Part 5 goes live" , posted Tue 10 Apr 11:38
Overdue reaction: hmm. It's impossible to equal the energy that Part IV brought back to the series, even if the animation quality is roughly similar and the music is excellent. There's certainly fun little touches like Jigen being disguised as the old man from Cagliostro, or the "welcome, Mr. (Yuji) Ono" sign by the greeter in the airport. But after the strong sense of place from Part IV, France seems kind of wasted on this high-tech yet depressingly familiar smartphone stuff.
It's a hard formula to balance: Lupin has always been on the cutting edge of things technologically, right down to the first film essentially predicting modern cloning as early as 1978. But on the other hand, the early directors also recognized that the appeal of Lupin in postwar Japan was the sense of the global, a thief who could go anywhere exotic and escape the mundane, which means that even without a series-long geographic setting, the sense of place always matters in the best entries of the series---whether it's globe-trotting through very specific national settings like Lupin vs. the Clone/Mystery of Mamo, or a clearly defined country estate like Cagliostro. Plus here, the high-tech is pretty boring since everyone has it (Lupin needs to be able to teleport to stay ahead of the curve), and the French setting is irrelevant, at least for episode 1.
As for the girl...another tough call. Fujiko was literally a different person each time in the early comics, which isn't that different from the Bond Girl approach that so many animated entries have fruitlessly employed. But after literally sixty years of history (continuity or not) of interation between the main characters, a "new girl" will always feel like a weak add-on unless she has a very strong personality and independent plot arc, like Rebecca did in Part IV. At least Ami chose a very good and Lupintic place to hide her gun.
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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| "Re(6):Part 5 goes live" , posted Thu 12 Apr 13:37
The grievous crimes of shameless Maou-blogging and double-posts are a certainty if the rest of the Cafe doesn't intervene with posts soon!
After episode 2: I still don't think the experimental opening succeeds, even though I was pleasantly reminded of Part IV when I realized that it too made an initial experimental attempt with the blocky police car sequence near the end, but at least the Lupin theme on accordian is probably even better. And like others have said, the ending would be quite good...if only "I Won't Love You If You Don't Say It Right" hadn't been literally the classiest thing to happen to Lupin since the "Treasure of the Flame" opening sequence of Cagliostro.
More generally, the enormous shadow of Part IV follows this series wherever it goes. After the consistent Italy setting, France is irrelevant here, and I literally forgot where everyone was half the time...and adding insult to injury, they went to a fictitious country, a crime against the realism that made Lupin a show for adults from the start: real cars, real cigarettes, real guns, real liquor brands, etc. That's an unforced error seen by other recent misfires like Fujiko TV series' pseudo-Cuban Missile Crisis episode.
It's funny, too: the hyper-modern tech really does make everything seem ironically mundane. Maybe this Lupin, with all the net instigation of violence and harrassment, is a little too realistic. Rather than the liberating feeling of a theif who can go anywhere, everything just feels kind of dreary. Or maybe I'm just sympathizing with Jigen and his disdain for idiot children with their tech.
I read in interviews that they were experimenting with displacing Zenigata's high-strung reactions into his new colleague, leaving him rather calm. This kind of reminds me of some early patterns in the comic, but I think that Part IV got the "serious threat but still easily agitated" balance better. Ah well.
On the other hand, I'm pleased to see the end of episode 2 and the episode 3 preview bringing in a classic element that is not tied with tech: GOONS! From the comic to Lupin vs. the Clone to Part III, goofy looking one-off bad guys with ecclectic and impractical weapons have always been a joyous part of the series.
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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| "Re(8):Part 5 goes GOON" , posted Thu 19 Apr 09:59:
Animation analysis: Let’s head back to Part II (red jacket), with this magnificent English article covering the key animators and studios involved! With 155 episodes, it can be hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff, beyond the obvious two superior Miyazaki-directed outings. Sure, you could go with the periodic favorite episode polls, but why not just head directly to the Telecom episodes, or your favorite animator?
Promotional goods: After all the expensive Lupin outfits they’ve been selling for Part IV comes a breakthrough clothing campaign that’s actually practical: “Steal Fujiko’s cleavage!” (I'm not joking.) It’s…a really good idea!
Episode 3: It’s really fun to see Lupin wasting an eclectic cast of random goons from the Nezumi Clan per the comics, and with major enemies like Sherdock and Dr. Furanken among the assassins. The social media stuff still doesn’t add anything for me, though I’m not sure if it’s just that I’m unfairly associating “modern tech Lupin” with the mostly abyssmal 2000s TV specials.
I finally realized that Part V takes the polar opposite approach to Part IV on setting. Part IV's direction let characters wander in and out of a consistent, living setting, with mostly unconnected episodes. Part V’s “France” has been a total red herring so far, with characters converging on a featureless, fictitious country, yet the story continues across each episode. I still feel like it’s a bit of a loss. Even Part II’s scattered episodes could achieve a great sense of place: humble episode 5 mostly centered around trying to smuggle a truck whose body has been replaced with melted down gold bars from Switzerland, but it also shows the struggles to find an open border and literally superimposes a map across the screen as everyone works their way south from Switzerland to Italy. Even if it’s not as vivid as Part IV’s Italy, there’s a lot to say for being somewhere. Part V is kind of fun but it’s…nowhere at all.
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Part 5 goes GOON" , posted Fri 27 Apr 13:16
While I'm still hoping the Cafe will take up the Part II best episode challenge, you're still stuck with Maou-blogging! I'm puzzled by Part V. Because it's the first TV series to use totally linked episodes, rather than the occasional continuity of Part IV, it's really hard to judge the series. It doesn't make for satisfying episodic watching at all, but will it work as one (?) long story?
The featureless settings are reminding me, probably unintentionally, of some of the "puzzle" episodes of the second early comic series, where Lupin would be...somewhere, looking across a booby-trapped area towards a treasure he'd been challenged to acquire. Unlike the globe-trotting TV series, these comic episodes wouldn't be anywhere in particular other than "a field" or "a castle" or something, Lupin at least would have a clear goal or object to steal. Four episodes is a long time to be on the run, while running through indistinct places. I also think that the youtube and niconico viewer comments on this Lupin live-stream, while realistic, are just as annoying as in real life. Are they subtitling them for the English version?
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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| "Re(4):Re(10):Part 5 goes GOON" , posted Tue 1 May 00:10
Gee, I thought you were going to start the proverbial ball rolling with the Part 2 discussion so I didn't want to impede on your retrospective. But if I was going to pull an episode out to muse about it would be (checks notes) episode 58 The Border is the Face of Farewell - 国境は別れの顔.
Jigen having a doomed romance with a sophisticated woman is such a go-to plot for the guy it's practically a cottage industry. It's shown up in the anime, tv specials, manga spin-offs, and probably Takarazuka performances for all I know. However, if I was going to pick one of these many times when a writer thought it would be jolly fun to break Jigen's heart it would be this episode.
In spite of having a premise that could lend itself to crime thrillers and international intrigue most Lupin stories are too silly for all that. The positive outlook of Lupin himself often keeps the stories from getting bogged down in too much drama. But when a story calls for a less comical tone Jigen is a good choice for a protagonist. It's been shown that Jigen needs to be around the fun energy Lupin exudes or he immediately turns into a nicotine addicted grump. So the first thing the story does is separate Jigen from the rest of the gang by having him get wounded while on a job in Moscow. He is taken in by a prima ballerina and the two of them make a desperate run for the border. Along the way they journey by train, hide in an abandoned farmhouse and even do an homage to "The Third Man." It's an exciting, romantic plot but what makes the story work is what it tells us about Jigen.
As the couple trek across a superimposed map we learn more about who Jigen is when he's not acting as a foil for Lupin. At one point the ballerina Monika enthuses about all the wonders the West holds the world-weary Jigen opines that it's also a dirty, violent mess. At this point it could be thought that Jigen is simply a cynic when on his own but that's not the case at all. Instead, he's as romantic as Lupin but in a much different way. Lupin loves everything he experiences, including his interactions with women. He loves staring at every skirt he sees on the street, he loves interacting with every guest heroine that shows up and he even loves when Fujiko's weaker side causes her to sell him out. For Lupin life is a gas. Jigen is different. There's a finality to Jigen's world. Back when he was a gun for hire Jigen knew that every action he took possibly meant the death of him or someone else. Jigen also takes the end of any romance personally so instead of being able to bounce off to something new like Lupin he ruminates on yet another tragic ending. It's why Jigen sometimes carries himself as disliking women; even if he would never admit it he knows he's the type who lets himself get burned badly when things fall apart.
What makes the episode so memorable for me is that when Jigen finds himself trapped in this predicament without Lupin's manic example to follow he doesn't fall back on his bad habits. Instead, Jigen's romantic spirit comes to the forefront. It's a more somber an mature view but it's every bit as romantic as Lupin. At one point Jigen remarks that he is pleasantly surprised to find himself walking down a snow covered trail with Monika. It's an understated moment -possibly due to limited animation and budget than anything else- but it comes across as a quiet, grown-up expression of emotion. More often than not when the show calls for a reaction it looks to Lupin. However, it's episodes such as this that shows the rest of the cast are characters in their own right and not just props to help Lupin through his adventures.
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| "Re(6):Re(10):Part 5 goes PINK" , posted Tue 8 May 13:06:
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spoiling things too much, I'm looking forward to next week's episode already!
Truly! If nothing else, perhaps this will give Pink Jacket some of the love it's been so lacking in English, outside of the aforementioned blog's excellent outline of the subject. In any event, it's sort of interesting to see the experiments with continuity and mini-arcs in TV format. When do we get Dectective Melon instead of this other assistant, though?
MMCafe's Favorite Part II episodes: Overdue, but I'm in complete agreement with Jigen Ishmael on what a smart thing the much-beloved episode 58 does with a familiar lovelorn Jigen scenario. I...really need you to tell me where the Third Man homage was (I love that movie (I have not watched it for years)). While the interplay between Lupin and his partner has always been one of the most fun parts of the show, I hadn't stopped to think about what a contrast there is in the way the two handle hardship. "Lupin loves girls, Jigen distrusts them" is a far too simplistic explanation for the way the two are actually just reacting to repeated disappointments. This episode adds to Jigen's character by showing it in isolation, rather than changing it as such. Narrowing down the cast gives directors a chance to develop different sides of cast, while also keeping them in character, a harder challenge than it looks (look at the disastrous Fujiko TV series for proof).
While the later Telecom episodes are all obvious choices for favorite Part II episodes, a much earlier episode I like quite a lot for similar reasons is Episode 20: Cornered Lupin. Here, Lupin and Fujiko are under siege in a fortress in a fascist country, and share a surprisingly understated and tender moment in what appears will be their last---uncharacteristic in a series where the hero always has something up his sleeve. Whether or not he did, it's interesting to see the two of them appear ready to say goodbye. Where weaker TV episodes and TV specials simplify their relationship into the easy comedy of having Fujiko repel Lupin's advances every time, here we have a dynamic that recalls the scenes of just the two of them in Clone/Mamo where they remark on how it's been a long time since they've had time alone together. Clone actually came out later that year, though it's hard to know which was planned first.
In addition to the characterization side of things, this episode, as noted in that same blog analysis, has some great animation courtesy of a pre-Telecom Tomonaga Kazuhide, our hero who later brought us Part IV, among other things. The fascist leader's movements are hysterical while making a political point about the insanity of it all.
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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| "Re(1):What happened to Spain" , posted Thu 10 May 08:29:
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So part 5's first chapter ended last week and instead of going straight to the next Spain arc, we get an intermission episode that is so... Showa era Japan 
W, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS TOWN
I chuckled here and there, but I think I laughed a lot more at various Part IV episodes, especially "Lupin's Day Off!" As Ben's blog above would note (which I will keep quoting until he is compelled to post here), studios today aren't quite brave enough to produce truly off-model, free-form Lupin in the vein of Part III, so this episode felt strange to me. I guess it's a clever idea to have an "intermission," but I still don't get Part V's plan. Ah well, next week, seven episodes in, we might actually make it to the much ballyhooed France...or not.
Part II: For actual Part III-style antics, I will instead direct the Cafe to take Mamou Kyousuke's time machine back to Part III's most obvious antecedent and another favorite in Part II, Episode 117: The Chewing Gum Disguise Operation, featuring animator Aoki Yuuzou at his freewheeling best. Here we have Lupin inexplicably hanging out in a Prohibition/Las Vegas-looking America, making disguises out of chewing gum with his new buddy, all while running away from the entire US military who are somehow doing the bidding of a local night club owner crime boss because he gives them free tickets, with some good breaking of the fourth wall. Like Legend of the Gold of Babylon, it might be one of the stupidest Lupin outings ever made, but at least it's only 25 minutes long, and as META-LUPIN in which the director is making a completely different show while merely riffing on Lupin as basically a genre, it's hysterical.
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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| "Re(2):What happened to Spain" , posted Sat 26 May 01:53
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Part II: For actual Part III-style antics, I will instead direct the Cafe to take Mamou Kyousuke's time machine back to Part III's most obvious antecedent and another favorite in Part II, Episode 117: The Chewing Gum Disguise Operation, featuring animator Aoki Yuuzou at his freewheeling best. Here we have Lupin inexplicably hanging out in a Prohibition/Las Vegas-looking America, making disguises out of chewing gum with his new buddy, all while running away from the entire US military who are somehow doing the bidding of a local night club owner crime boss because he gives them free tickets, with some good breaking of the fourth wall. Like Legend of the Gold of Babylon, it might be one of the stupidest Lupin outings ever made, but at least it's only 25 minutes long, and as META-LUPIN in which the director is making a completely different show while merely riffing on Lupin as basically a genre, it's hysterical.
Upon rewatching that episode I now know why I wasn't impressed with it; they never do anything creative with the gum. Given the start of the episode I was expecting a finale where everyone found themselves turned into Lupin or something else huge and absurd that felt like a proper climax. Instead, the gum was used as a prop for the occasional visual gag even though the show was more than happy to do wall-breaking jokes without any sort of explanation. Episode 117 felt like a cartoon from the 1930's where an animator would draw a gag and then pass it on to another animator who would draw an unrelated joke. I don't mind Lupin being stupid but at least be consistent in the stupidity!
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"Re(8):LUPIN THE THIIIIRD!!! Maou is Coming" , posted Sat 20 Jan 06:42
who follow the path of a warrior
The mid-budget landscapes of Europe has suddenly changed to low budget cell-drawn Japan and we're back to the days of Lupin loosening his belt for a Fuujiko-chaaaan! moment. 
