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"TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 10:52post reply

surprised there hasnt been a thread about this yet. so here we go!

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1215298_1124.html






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"Re(1):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 10:57post reply

quote:
surprised there hasnt been a thread about this yet. so here we go!

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1215298_1124.html



...Already being actively discussed in the Random news thread.

Don't worry, this has happened to me too. ^^; But at least this game will have its own topic now...





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"Re(2):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 12:18post reply

It needed its own topic. I'm not complaining.





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"Re(3):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 15:12post reply

I was really hoping for a 2-D SPRITE fighting game but a cell-shaded looking 2-D game with 2-D mechanics is just as good.

Kind of reminds me of The Rumblefish...

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"Re(4):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 18:50post reply

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I was really hoping for a 2-D SPRITE fighting game but a cell-shaded looking 2-D game with 2-D mechanics is just as good.



I dunno about "just as good", but maybe "acceptable consolation". Casshan looks really nice, almost like a sprite, but Ryu and Chun Li could look a lot better. They have a lot of awkward-looking poses in there. It makes me afraid that it's going to look hideous in motion.





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"Re(5):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 19:01post reply

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It makes me afraid that it's going to look hideous in motion.


Since it's a new VS (interesting how CvS isn't part of the vs series, but), I was thinking the opposite : the game might fast enough so you don't notice the most awkward elements, which might be covered by all the lightening effects and such. Also, the camera seems to be far enough. No close ups is fine with me.





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"Re(5):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 20:59post reply

Yeah! That is the ticket!
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I dunno about "just as good", but maybe "acceptable consolation".






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"Re(6):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 21:16post reply

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Yeah! That is the ticket!
I dunno about "just as good", but maybe "acceptable consolation".



Maybe it's not the point but this game is in a very initial development, so they could improve the graphics (I mean, if they're not the lazy Capcom I used to know).





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"Re(6):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 23:10post reply

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It makes me afraid that it's going to look hideous in motion.

Since it's a new VS (interesting how CvS isn't part of the vs series, but), I was thinking the opposite : the game might fast enough so you don't notice the most awkward elements, which might be covered by all the lightening effects and such. Also, the camera seems to be far enough. No close ups is fine with me.



Agree'd, 100%.

More than likely, this game is not going to win any awards for graphical prowess. The main attraction (as it should be in, games like this), is seeing all the wild shit that's going on, including Ryu throwing around screen filling projectile supers.

On another note, Insert Credit's article made me think...if Dimps is deeply involved with SF4, chances are they couldn't give people away for yet another project.

So, what if it might indeed be some one else, like 8ing (who are finishing up with Fate Unlimited Codes for the 256), Cavia (who did those PSP Fate games) or even K2 (who Capcom just bought, but already has experience on the X2, thanks to the ill-fated Samurai Spirits SEN)?

Depending on who Capcom went to, that might be yet another layer to add to the speculation...as well as another reason to raise or lower my expectations accordingly... ^^;

I would think that 8ing could probably bang out a game like this just fine...K2 and Cavia I might have to be a bit more concerned with...





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"Re(7):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Fri 23 May 23:38post reply

While Ryu and Chun Li don't look very good, the Tatsunoko guys sure seem nice! I never liked the "Capcom vs..." series, and I don't give a damn about ANY Tatsunoko creation, but this game is promising. I think this is the way fighting games should evolve: mixed 3D/2D visuals, cel shaded graphics and an overall cartoonesque flavor.

And there is hoping for a really interesting roster on Capcom's side, much unlike SF IV!





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"Re(8):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 00:53post reply

Since everything in this game from the gameplay to the roster is designed to appeal to nostalgia I want TvC to be ported to the DC.





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"Re(1):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 02:57:post reply

The important question remains: will we see the villainess of Yatterman in this? I think she's popular enough to make it (unlike, let's say, the Yatterman heroes)...





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"Re(7):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 03:11post reply

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I would think that 8ing could probably bang out a game like this just fine...K2 and Cavia I might have to be a bit more concerned with...



You know, 8ing would make sense, the graphics do look pretty similar to the cel-shaded Naruto games they made on the Wii.





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"Re(2):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 03:37post reply

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The important question remains: will we see the villainess of Yatterman in this? I think she's popular enough to make it (unlike, let's say, the Yatterman heroes)...



They have to have Yatterman characters in this. It's so fondly remembered, plus they're making a live action movie right now (directed by Miike!):

http://twitchfilm.net/site/view/takeshi-miikes-yatterman-has-its-female-lead/


http://twitchfilm.net/site/view/kyoko-fukada-to-be-doronjo-in-takashi-miikes-yatterman/

And odds are, if they make anyone playable, it'll be Doronjo assisted by her henchmen. Or at least, that's the first thing I think of.





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"Re(5):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 06:59:post reply

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I dunno about "just as good", but maybe "acceptable consolation". Casshan looks really nice, almost like a sprite, but Ryu and Chun Li could look a lot better. They have a lot of awkward-looking poses in there. It makes me afraid that it's going to look hideous in motion.



The awkward poses are probably from inbetween frames calculated by the computer. Some frames look pretty good. I assume those are the keyframes and they seem to be referencing Third Strike for Ryu and Chunli, which is a nice touch.

The posture of the characters overall is a bit too square for my liking though, even on the Tatsunoko characters. Their shoulders look stiff, but this is a problem in most 3d games in general.





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"Re(6):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 08:11post reply

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The posture of the characters overall is a bit too square for my liking though, even on the Tatsunoko characters. Their shoulders look stiff, but this is a problem in most 3d games in general.



It's probably confounded by the fact that the actual polygon count of those models is probably pretty low.

Sure, that cel-shading looks nice, but it won't be able to hide the fact those models probably will have shoddy animations and such.

Ah well...even the latter MAHVEL sequels didn't have that much in the way of good 2D animation. MvC2 even had the nerve to cut frames that were present in MvC and a number of other games where those characters originally appeared.





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"Re(7):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 09:31post reply

Guess I am just too white, I honestly wasn't familiar with Tatsunoko's stuff which is surprising because I wikipedia-ed them and didn't realize they were behind Speed Racer & Macross.

I'm just curious, to any Japanese Cafers out here, do you remember when the first X-Men v.s SF hit Japanese shores, did you guys somewhat feel the same way about Marvel? like "I know who they are but DON'T know who they are..." because I think it has only been the last 2 decades that Marvel comics have trickled over from US shores officially?





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"Re(8):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 11:19post reply

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Guess I am just too white, I honestly wasn't familiar with Tatsunoko's stuff which is surprising because I wikipedia-ed them and didn't realize they were behind Speed Racer & Macross.

I'm just curious, to any Japanese Cafers out here, do you remember when the first X-Men v.s SF hit Japanese shores, did you guys somewhat feel the same way about Marvel? like "I know who they are but DON'T know who they are..." because I think it has only been the last 2 decades that Marvel comics have trickled over from US shores officially?


Well, it was easy to feel that way, since some of the Marvel characters they used were fairly obscure (Shuma Gorath), but then again during that era, there were cartoons featuring many of them, so by Marvel vs Capcom they weren't so mysterious.

As for Tatsunoko, they're still VERY popular in Japan, and in many countries overseas (and there was an american Battle of the Planets comic a couple of years ago, right?), but it's their individual properties that are recognized, and not much themselves as a brand for what I've seen.

Oh, and there was a new (and fun) Yatterman anime that ended a few weeks ago, only the first two episodes are fansubbed sadly.





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"Re(8):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 17:46post reply

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I'm just curious, to any Japanese Cafers out here, do you remember when the first X-Men v.s SF hit Japanese shores, did you guys somewhat feel the same way about Marvel?

I don't know if I'm allowed to answer, but the only Marvel character I'd heard of back then was Spiderman.

On the other hand, I had friends who were buying comics since they were 10, so maybe I'm in the minority here.





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"Re(9):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 20:20post reply

I thought any US release would be impossible because of the huge tangled web of legal issues Gatchaman was stuck in for North America, but when verifying I noticed this issue is apparently solved since eraly 2007. That might explain the rebirth of so many Tatsunoko licenses lately. Now, I don't know about the status in Italy...





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"Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sat 24 May 21:00post reply

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Now, I don't know about the status in Italy...


It can't be worse than Tôei.
NOTHING can be worse than Tôei's status anywhere outside Japan.





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"Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sun 25 May 00:12post reply

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I thought any US release would be impossible because of the huge tangled web of legal issues Gatchaman was stuck in for North America, but when verifying I noticed this issue is apparently solved since eraly 2007. That might explain the rebirth of so many Tatsunoko licenses lately. Now, I don't know about the status in Italy...



Why Italy?
Here we have a lot of anime crap done in the 60s or 70s that is a cult between older otakus. The majority of Tatsunoko series aired here on tv, so are well known. But about the license thing, Capcom should have done something to release the game all over Europe, and thinking about different countires, it will be nearly impossible.

I hope this game wil have a PS3 version, so I don't care about licensing issues.





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"Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sun 25 May 01:49:post reply

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I thought any US release would be impossible because of the huge tangled web of legal issues Gatchaman was stuck in for North America, but when verifying I noticed this issue is apparently solved since eraly 2007.


From my current country situation, I have always noticed that licences are a "season thing" wich grow void until X years and no contract renewal, so even if the many series are tangled with many studios, unless they renewed the contract for distribution rights, the licences could be free; I don't imagine Us networks broadcasting G Force on Sundays right now; at least here it's been a good 10 years since I enjoyed of Galactor pseudo-masculine moan.

Also, I remember FOX broadcasting marvel studios productions, and I don't remember FOX being credited on the US ports of the VS games, so it might also be an issue of "what kind of contract & licencing" was agreeded.





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"Re(2):Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sun 25 May 04:12post reply

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Now, I don't know about the status in Italy...

It can't be worse than Tôei.



Shounen Jump is pretty bad too.





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"Re(2):Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sun 25 May 05:17:post reply

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Why Italy?

Because Tatsunoko stuff was big in Italy, therefore there are probably some legal issues, given how poorly these IPs and contracts were handled back in those days. Same thing with Tôei stuff in France and so many other countries.


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Shounen Jump is pretty bad too.

Really? It seems Shueisha are the only ones who actually paid attention to what they were doing, at least in Europe. Was there any problem in the US?





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"Re(3):Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sun 25 May 05:21post reply

How popular were the vs games in Japan when compared to their popularity overseas? I've always been under the impression that the vs series had more of a following outside of Japan. Since TvC is giving off the same vibe as the vs games and there continues to be a vocal faction who wants MvC3 I can't imagine that Capcom wouldn't consider getting this game published outside of Japan. Eh, I guess it's all up to the trademark lawyers and the occasionally murky decision making process game companies use.





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"Re(4):Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sun 25 May 06:01post reply

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I've always been under the impression that the vs series had more of a following outside of Japan. Since TvC is giving off the same vibe as the vs games and there continues to be a vocal faction who wants MvC3 I can't imagine that Capcom wouldn't consider getting this game published outside of Japan.



But remember, Marvel was much bigger in the US (and maybe Europe) than in Japan.
Tatsunoko is much bigger in Japan than anywhere else.





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"Re(3):Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sun 25 May 07:32post reply

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Shounen Jump is pretty bad too.
Really? It seems Shueisha are the only ones who actually paid attention to what they were doing, at least in Europe. Was there any problem in the US?



yah, that's why the Jump DS games can't come out here...the rights are all scattered, and the game rights (for those properties that have games) are already parsed out to different people as well.





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"Re(4):Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Sun 25 May 10:32post reply

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yah, that's why the Jump DS games can't come out here...the rights are all scattered, and the game rights (for those properties that have games) are already parsed out to different people as well.



Oh, that. Well, of course in the case of the Jump DS games, the different deals for each series complicates things.
But otherwise, Shueisha's situation is much less of a problem than what Tôei or Tatsunoko had to deal with. At least Shueisha still retains the rights to their own IPs...





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"Re(5):Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Mon 26 May 08:44post reply

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But otherwise, Shueisha's situation is much less of a problem than what Tôei or Tatsunoko had to deal with. At least Shueisha still retains the rights to their own IPs...



wow, the others don't? fools!





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"Re(6):Re(10):TATSUNOKO VS CAPCOM!!" , posted Mon 26 May 09:05post reply

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wow, the others don't? fools!



Anything that was released worldwide from the 70's and 80's is in some form of rights hell or the rights are in control of the US company. See the whole Macross/Robotech fiasco.





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Today's OtonaFami magazine has revealed some new characters!!

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