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| ONSLAUGHT 3760th Post
 
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|  "Twilight Princess" , posted Sat 22 Nov 07:19
Yes, I know I'm way behind you guys, but I just played Wii Zelda that a friend of mine gave it to me since it came out.
Keep in mind that this is my first 3D Zelda and that I just played it for 30 minutes.
Ok guys, is there a reason to keep playing this game?? I haven't encountered anything I like in it. So far I've just herded goats, called a hawk that takes like 10 minutes to come (damn, takes as much time as a summon) and cannot fetch a goddamn cat! and talked with people about epic themes like monkeys and craddles.
The controls are absolutely horrible! I was trying to jump and the stupid kid just won't land where I want it to.
Riding the horse is a pain in the ass, I can't believe how stiff the horse is. After playing Shadow of the Colossus I was expecting my videogame horses to be as smooth as Agro, but sadly, they're not.
The sound is OK I guess, except the sounds that come from the tiny speaker in the wiimote, it sounds so horrible! Reminds me of Teleroboxer, a Virtual Boy game.
Graphics are... fucking UGLY! Shadow of the Colossus, a game from an inferior console looks at least 10 times better than this!
The game looks so blurry, so dark, there are no vibrant colors, the screen looks so stretched... ugly I tell you! Perhaps the problem is my TV, but somehow, I doubt it, since EVERYTHING else looks fine on it.
Anyway, I ask you again, is there any reason to keep playing this game? does it get better or am I going to hate it even more? I honestly want to like it, but so far, the game refuses to cooperate...
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| Time Mage 2719th Post
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| "Re(1):Twilight Princess" , posted Sat 22 Nov 09:52
Eh, you're playing the inferior 3D Zelda, in my opinion. Ocarina was really innovative at the time, plus the dungeons and the whole game were really well thought. Wind Waker was extremely charming and had the best world of the three, in terms of people and places. Having everything happen in that vast sea was unfortunate. Plus, it had the best graphics of the three, in my opinion.
And then there's Twilight Princess that, while not being a bad game at all, tries too hard to appeal to the Ocarina fans, so much that at many times it looks like a remake. Plus, the dark tones don't fit very well on the Zelda franchise. It is a very solid game, but lacks charm and originality. And yes, the beginning is really slow.
Now that I think of it, I almost forget about Majora's Mask. This one was really good, too, although the dungeons were too long and there was very few of them... Not a good combination. Still, very original and worth playing.
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| Pollyanna 2588th Post
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| "Re(1):Twilight Princess" , posted Sat 22 Nov 10:10
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Graphics are... fucking UGLY! Shadow of the Colossus, a game from an inferior console looks at least 10 times better than this!
The game looks so blurry, so dark, there are no vibrant colors, the screen looks so stretched... ugly I tell you! Perhaps the problem is my TV, but somehow, I doubt it, since EVERYTHING else looks fine on it.
Do you have an HD TV? Like, not a tube one that downscales?
Ever since I got a nice HD TV, everything on Wii has looked absolutely atrocious. When I have some more disposable income I'll have to get a dinterlacer.
I had to stop playing Mario Galaxy, even though I loved it, because it was too hideous.
Speaking of which, I liked Zelda okay, but I think Mario Galaxy did everything better. The puzzles were reasonably clever in Zelda, but Mario Galaxy had the same "take cues from your environment and figure things out" system with much richer environments and interesting enemies. The enemies in Zelda are poorly designed, poorly rendered and absolutely no threat at all. I guess they just put them there to prevent you from being completely bored.
I guess it seems odd me saying that Mario and Zelda are kind of the same, but they both gave me the same experience. If you keep playing Zelda, you might get some enjoyment out of the dungeons, but if you finish the first dungeon and still don't like it at all, I wouldn't hold out for it getting better.
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| Shin ATproof 1222th Post
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| "Re(2):Twilight Princess" , posted Sat 22 Nov 10:29
I thought ZeldaTP was really, really good. Its actually part of my top 5 favorites in the franchise (ALttP, OoT, TP, WW and MC).
I have the GC version since I don't own a Wii but I've seen/played the Wii version and my friend who has an HDTV, the game still looks good. I think saying SotC looks better than ZeldaTP is a gross exaggeration. Although...there clearly is some inspiration with the level design.
As for the beginning of the game, yes, it gets better. Like many of the Zelda games, the game is trying to get you used to the system and controls. This is especially important for people starting on the Wii controls. For GC players, its probably more...irksome(?) since if you've played a 3D Zelda game before, you already know the drill.
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| ONSLAUGHT 3761th Post
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| "Re(3):Twilight Princess" , posted Sat 22 Nov 10:54
Thanks for your input everyone.
Yeah, I have an HD TV, and my PS3 and 360 games look absolutely gorgeous (even that Assassin's Creed piece of shit) in it, the Wii however, looks horrible... I'll try to mess with the settings to see if anything improves, but so far, the Zelda world looks grim, bland, colorless, uninteresting even... And I've played PS2 games on the very same TV, and they look great (and yeah, SotC looks a LOT better), why can't the Wii do the same?
I will give it another chance, and finish the first dungeon as suggested.
Oh yeah, the camera sucks.
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| sfried 290th Post
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| "Re(4):Twilight Princess" , posted Sat 22 Nov 10:56:
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Thanks for your input everyone.
Yeah, I have an HD TV, and my PS3 and 360 games look absolutely gorgeous (even that Assassin's Creed piece of shit) in it, the Wii however, looks horrible... I'll try to mess with the settings to see if anything improves, but so far, the Zelda world looks grim, bland, colorless, uninteresting even...
If your game is looking more like the image on the right, then you NEED those component cables badly.
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And I've played PS2 games on the very same TV, and they look great (and yeah, SotC looks a LOT better), why can't the Wii do the same?
I still don't know if you're just trolling...
More Component vs. out-of-the-box composite comparisons.
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| Grave 1143th Post
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| "Re(6):Twilight Princess" , posted Sat 22 Nov 11:32
Even with the proper cables, Wii games still look like garbage on HDTVs. It's just the way it is. I'd rather play garbage-looking Excite Truck over Motorstorm any day, though.
That said, all the 3D Zeldas have stupid overly long introductory scenes, so that's nothing new! As far as this shit goes, Twilight Princess is pretty decent. Not as good as Wind Waker. That said, it still seems to take itself way too seriously and pretends at having a good story for a number more hours than I was willing to go along with, and I was forced to quit. But it's not nearly as bad as Ocarina of Time, and that's something! This series is way past due for another reinvention, though, considering the best game in the series is over 15 years old now. It probably won't get one because retards keep drooling all over the 3D Zeldas as it is.
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| ONSLAUGHT 3763th Post
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| "Re(9):Twilight Princess" , posted Sat 22 Nov 12:15:
Thanks again guys.
And no sfried, I'm not trolling.
Well, I tried to like this, but I guess it's not my type of game. I just rescued some monkey with a kid in a cage and while the gameplay seems to improve a little, I just don't like the combat system and entering menus for a lantern, then for a slinkshot and so on.
What's really stopping me though, are the graphics, they literally hurt my eyes. I rather have pixelated but crisp graphics than this dulled enviroment that looks like it was covered in molasses. Everything is blurry, and no, I'm not buying cables for this.
Now I am afraid, because I also have The Umbrella Chronicles and No More Heroes, but if they also look like this, I won't even take them out of their package.
Thank you Nintendo!
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| Pollyanna 2590th Post
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| "Re(3):Twilight Princess" , posted Sat 22 Nov 12:19:
EDIT: Yes, No More Heroes looks terrible as well. Very "muddy". Not AS bad, but not how it's supposed to look.
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You wouldn't happen to have the special component cables (the ones not included in the system) hooked up, would you? If you did, you might have forgotten to put the display to Progressive Scan in the Wii System Settings.
I hope this doesn't come across as condescending, but yeah...it'd be kinda crazy to have an HDTV and use composite cables (instead of component or HDMI). It's crazy that they still package TVs with those.
That being said, I used to have an HD tube TV that would downscale properly and the Wii (with component cables) looked excellent. Well, I mean...the games looked like they were supposed to. However, with my new TV, as well as most HDTVs, they look rotten.
While I'm sure some HDTVs deinterlace better than others, many of the people who say "the Wii looks great on MY HDTV" are probably just ignorant.
For those of you looking for a cheap (if imperfect) solution to the problem, I have heard good things about this:
http://www.hdboxpro.com/eng/public.htm
As for the PS2 looking better...it depends on the game. I recently played Persona 4 and it looked fine, but I can't say the same for every game. Even Wii games differ. From my experience, Nintendo's games seem to look the worst.
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| Tai-Pan 314th Post
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| "Re(1):Twilight Princess" , posted Sun 23 Nov 01:39
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Yes, I know I'm way behind you guys, but I just played Wii Zelda that a friend of mine gave it to me since it came out.
Keep in mind that this is my first 3D Zelda and that I just played it for 30 minutes.
Ok guys, is there a reason to keep playing this game?? I haven't encountered anything I like in it. So far I've just herded goats, called a hawk that takes like 10 minutes to come (damn, takes as much time as a summon) and cannot fetch a goddamn cat! and talked with people about epic themes like monkeys and craddles.
The controls are absolutely horrible! I was trying to jump and the stupid kid just won't land where I want it to.
Riding the horse is a pain in the ass, I can't believe how stiff the horse is. After playing Shadow of the Colossus I was expecting my videogame horses to be as smooth as Agro, but sadly, they're not.
The sound is OK I guess, except the sounds that come from the tiny speaker in the wiimote, it sounds so horrible! Reminds me of Teleroboxer, a Virtual Boy game.
Graphics are... fucking UGLY! Shadow of the Colossus, a game from an inferior console looks at least 10 times better than this!
The game looks so blurry, so dark, there are no vibrant colors, the screen looks so stretched... ugly I tell you! Perhaps the problem is my TV, but somehow, I doubt it, since EVERYTHING else looks fine on it.
Anyway, I ask you again, is there any reason to keep playing this game? does it get better or am I going to hate it even more? I honestly want to like it, but so far, the game refuses to cooperate...
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| Maese Spt 451th Post
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| "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF..." , posted Sun 23 Nov 18:48
Lately it seems I have a lot more in common with Onsy than I thought. Whether that is a good thing or not, I will leave it to the reader's imagination. If there is actually someone who reads these lines, I mean.
Cointidentally enough, I came to play TP for the first (and last) time only a few months ago, this summer. After waiting for it about two years, I borrowed it from a friend and I could at last give it a try.
Be warned that I am a HUGE Zelda fan. I consider A link to the Past as he best videogame ever created. I've played and loved all the games on the series so far (the ones made by Nintendo, at least). Count me as one of those brainless morons who love OoT too, as one poster pointed out earlier.
I was eager to play and love this TP, even realizing that it was little more than a remake of OoT with better graphics.
But no mater how I tried, I could not manage to extract a single little piece of entetraining from it. It was like being addicted to heroine. I kept playing not because I was having any real fun, but only because I thought I must to.
I began to think that I just didn't like videogames anymore. I mean, how comes *I* can not enjoy a Zelda? But it seems I was not the only one.
I cleared one zone and I couldn't help but thinking "man, how boring", but then just kept going for the next challenge with the vain hope of things getting better. But they didn't. I beat more than 3/4 of the game before realizing the futility of my pursuit. I finally snapped and quit. Good for me.
I knew I was doomed when I realized that I was having more fun by teasing the girl of the fishing shop than playing the fishing minigame itself. In fact, that was the only funny thing I found during my whole play time.
TP is way worse than OoT and MM, by the way, conceptually similar games which were released almost 10 years ago. You are VERY limited on the actions you can perform. You can't jump off wherever you want, you can't climb when you feel like it, you can not even travel the land at ease. And let's not talk about those HORRIBLE seed collecting missions early on in the game. Oh, the pain.
One can argue how other Zeldas used to have something innovative, unique on them. But everything TP tries to do has already been done, far better and in a more funnier way, in the past.
Every inch of Zelda TP screams "I don't have a soul, but damn, I am trying". And sure it tries really hard, maybe too much. It is probably the Zelda with more "story" so far, but that story is completely dull and boring, hardly making any sense, even for a series where the script has never been exactly brilliant nor exciting.
So no, things won't get better even if you fix your TV's image settings and get prettier, sharper graphics.
Oh, well.
Last, but not least, I want to thank Onsy and other members if the Cafe for giving me this wonderful opportunity to rant to my heart's content. I really needed it. Phew~
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| Pollyanna 2592th Post
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| "Re(8):Twilight Princess" , posted Sun 23 Nov 20:31
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I'm going to have to keep my SDTV for Wii and PS2.
Noooo! It's not like SDTVs look GOOD! You really should look into the HD Box Pro I mentioned earlier. I can't find the pictures I saw of people who did "before and after" shots with it, but I can say that the example picture they have on their webpage is accurate. Someone made a youtube video as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3uHHSHUc2Q
This isn't especially telling except for the Mario Galaxy footage, so I'll use that as an example.
Before I got my new TV, I had an older HD tube TV. It looked best in 1080i, but would not run 1080p. Everything looked perfect on it...or rather, there was no "distortion" or "muddy" look on any game. That is to say, Mario Galaxy looked like it does in the video.
On my new 1080p LCD TV, non-HD stuff started looking terribly muddy. Mario Galaxy in particular looked so bad that I couldn't stand playing it any more. I tested the system out on several other LCD TVs/monitors to get the same result.
For me, playing HD games on an SD TV is like a sin. I want my games to look exactly how they look on the back of the box, you know? So I would say, if you're iffy about getting an HDTV, either get a deinterlacer, or buy an older tube HDTV if you aren't interested in saving space/1080p.
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| Baines
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| "Re(1):Twilight Princess" , posted Mon 24 Nov 12:42
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Ok guys, is there a reason to keep playing this game?? I haven't encountered anything I like in it. So far I've just herded goats, called a hawk that takes like 10 minutes to come (damn, takes as much time as a summon) and cannot fetch a goddamn cat! and talked with people about epic themes like monkeys and craddles.
For some strange reason, the game is intentionally front-loaded with a padded overlong tutorial section. They actually thought this is a *good* thing, including its length.
The idea was that it would teach the player everything needed at the beginning of the game, so that there would be no need to teach the player wouldn't have to learn these things later. Except... As long as the tutorial section is, it still doesn't teach the player everything. The player still gets tutorial sections later.
As for jumping, the 3D Zeldas are designed so that you don't need a jump button. A jump button would even arguably make the actual jumping parts harder, as they are all designed around the guaranteed autojump distances.
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