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"KOF XII October Thread" , posted Fri 3 Oct 04:54:post reply

Current roster : [as of 11/27, thanks to the Professor's post]

Ash ShenWu Elizabeth
Kyo Benimaru Daimon
Leona Ralf
Ryo Robert
Terry Andy Kim
Athena Kensou Chin
Iori
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At least 20 characters (2 more left). K' heavily rumored since he is on the 15th anniversary logo.
No story. Classic 3 on 3. Game scheduled for April

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"Re(1):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Fri 3 Oct 19:27post reply

question Iggy, at your own guess will ther be New characters in this KOF? I mean each episode always had between 3 and 5 brand new characters so will this happen for this episode?

And new Raiden isn't new, it's a "1st appearence" KOF, when I mean new it's, Heidi, Lin, Ramon...






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"Re(2):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Fri 3 Oct 22:40post reply

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And new Raiden isn't new, it's a "1st appearence" KOF, when I mean new it's, Heidi, Lin, Ramon...



This is like asking what character was brand new in neo wave, 2002 or 98







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"Re(2):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Fri 3 Oct 23:53:post reply

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question Iggy, at your own guess will ther be New characters in this KOF? I mean each episode always had between 3 and 5 brand new characters so will this happen for this episode?

And new Raiden isn't new, it's a "1st appearence" KOF, when I mean new it's, Heidi, Lin, Ramon...




I have this weird feeling that, out of total wild guess, the last boss could be Rugal...





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"Re(3):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 00:08post reply

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I have this weird feeling that, out of total wild guess, the last boss could be Rugal...



That would be EPIC







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"Re(3):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 00:14post reply

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I have this weird feeling that, out of total wild guess, the last boss could be Rugal...


Now that I thought about it, it wouldn't make any sense for any other character to be the boss when there's no storyline!





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"Re(4):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 00:21post reply

Speaking of characters, now that it's been confirmed that there is no story I'm almost willing to bet that Elizabeth doesn't make it into the final game.





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"Re(5):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 00:34:post reply

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Speaking of characters, now that it's been confirmed that there is no story I'm almost willing to bet that Elizabeth doesn't make it into the final game.



The perfect official SNK database (a japanese site run by SNK, who's url I happen to forgot) already list her on "appearances -> KoF XI & XII". I checked something like 3 days ago, aiming to confirm how real that Raiden pic was.

On an unrelated note, be blessed


Edit : site, I was mistaken, it's not an SNK site :P It's funny to see how they added Athena's music lyrics to her profile.







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"Re(3):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 01:53post reply

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I have this weird feeling that, out of total wild guess, the last boss could be Rugal...



I'd like to see that happening, especially he was more 94-ish/CVS-ish, but I have my doubts SNK would bother with a character they'd be unlikely to use in the next game in the series, which should be more plot-relevant...

Unless, of course, they twist thing to confirm Rugal as being alive after all...

Or they'll just roll with the 2003 KoF plot point of Geese still being alive in that timeline.





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"Re(4):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 02:08post reply

When we didn't know yet the game wouldn't have any story, I thought the most logical boss would be Rose. She is supposed to have turned evil, and she's a girl: people will want to play her, so she can return in later games, like Chizuru or Saishu. Maybe more of a mid-boss, then.

But since I suppose every character of this game will return in KOF XIII, I think Heidi is a good compromise between Rugal and Rose (or between boss and playable character). After all, he has never been a normal character yet... Plus, he always was pretty damn ugly as a sprite, so a face lift couldn't hurt him.





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"Re(4):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 05:18post reply

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I'd like to see that happening, especially he was more 94-ish/CVS-ish, but I have my doubts SNK would bother with a character they'd be unlikely to use in the next game in the series, which should be more plot-relevant...

Unless, of course, they twist thing to confirm Rugal as being alive after all...


Maybe they'll think of Adel. He's not dead, is he? He could easily be used in future games. He's Rugal-ish, and fits in the weird way of being a new Rugal for a new generation of the game.

A new story-relevant boss honestly doesn't make much sense for a non-story game, as said boss would already be old by the time they got introduced in a real game. It would be pretty anti-climactic.





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"Re(5):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 06:17post reply

And what about a super-powered Ash? He's always been pretty ambiguous (in many ways, yeah), and a what-if Ash with all the three treasures powers could be interesting.

That, or Geese.





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"Re(6):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 06:56post reply

Ok, who the fuck is Heidi? I never played XI, and I assume she's in it?

I hope it's not a nickname for Heidern. Without him, I would have never touched kof in the first place. Chargerz 4 lyfe, chargerz are BADASS





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"Re(7):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 07:35post reply

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Ok, who the fuck is Heidi? I never played XI, and I assume she's in it?

I hope it's not a nickname for Heidern.


No, it's a nickname for... What's his name, again ? Rugal's putative son. Adelsomething. Adelheidi.





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"Re(1):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 07:48post reply

i have to admit so far i'm kinda disappointed by this game. its the best looking 2d fighter i've ever seen, theres no denying that. but they showed this game 2 years ago and we're only getting 20 characters and no story!? and its not even due out until april 2009? weeeeeak.





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"Re(2):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 08:21:post reply

Yeah it's really too bad KoF has such spoiled fans. 20 is by far the LARGEST amount of characters ever in a first-generation high-res/high-def fighter, especially when you consider so far not a single one of them is a palette swap, head swap, or copied over from another game. It's just too bad this game was made to try and satisfy KoF fans, of all people.





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"Re(3):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 10:13post reply

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Yeah it's really too bad KoF has such spoiled fans. 20 is by far the LARGEST amount of characters ever in a first-generation high-res/high-def fighter, especially when you consider so far not a single one of them is a palette swap, head swap, or copied over from another game. It's just too bad this game was made to try and satisfy KoF fans, of all people.



Fighting game fans are spoiled in general. Battle Fantasia's got, what, 12 characters? I've heard countless people who never touched the game bitch about how few there are. Learn some first! Then cry! Not that many people are going to touch BF to begin with... jerks. Anyway, I blame games like MvC2. And MvC2's brain-dead Mango Sentinel fanbase. Naturally a lot of us aren't going to be able to play our favorites, but the roster so far certainly isn't what I could call bad. No Kula or Joe? Sad. Leona and pizza delivery Terry are back? Very happy!

I guess people are down because KOF was always just a mess of characters, and it is kind of disappointing that the first venture into HD doesn't even have a story, but if the game plays half as good as it looks, I think it'll shut a lot of people up. I just hope the home version has an option for KOF XI-y high speed tag matches.





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"Re(3):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 18:19post reply

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Yeah it's really too bad KoF has such spoiled fans. 20 is by far the LARGEST amount of characters ever in a first-generation high-res/high-def fighter, especially when you consider so far not a single one of them is a palette swap, head swap, or copied over from another game.


And so far, SF4 has 19 characters, and people complained a lot about them, but not about the number or anything.
And Arcana Heart 2 has 20, and it seems HUGE.

Strange as everything seems different in KOF.





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"Re(4):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 18:24post reply

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Fighting game fans are spoiled in general. Battle Fantasia's got, what, 12 characters? I've heard countless people who never touched the game bitch about how few there are. Learn some first! Then cry! Not that many people are going to touch BF to begin with... jerks. Anyway, I blame games like MvC2. And MvC2's brain-dead Mango Sentinel fanbase. Naturally a lot of us aren't going to be able to play our favorites, but the roster so far certainly isn't what I could call bad. No Kula or Joe? Sad. Leona and pizza delivery Terry are back? Very happy!

I guess people are down because KOF was always just a mess of characters, and it is kind of disappointing that the first venture into HD doesn't even have a story, but if the game plays half as good as it looks, I think it'll shut a lot of people up. I just hope the home version has an option for KOF XI-y high speed tag matches.



That's just what I mean though. If it was a new Garou, people would probably be ecstatic to hear about 20 characters completely redrawn in high-res. Or maybe I'm just completely overestimating Garou fans.





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"Re(5):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 19:05post reply

It's probably because you use three characters at a time in KOF, so 20 characters might feel like... 7 characters for some people, I guess.





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"Re(2):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 21:21post reply

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i have to admit so far i'm kinda disappointed by this game. its the best looking 2d fighter i've ever seen, theres no denying that. but they showed this game 2 years ago and we're only getting 20 characters and no story!? and its not even due out until april 2009? weeeeeak.



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"Re(5):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 21:41post reply

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That's just what I mean though. If it was a new Garou, people would probably be ecstatic to hear about 20 characters completely redrawn in high-res. Or maybe I'm just completely overestimating Garou fans.



If they'd just make a new Garou, I'd probably be fine with it even if it only had 4 characters. Even if all of them were Rock.





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"Re(4):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sat 4 Oct 23:31post reply

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Strange as everything seems different in KOF.



Well, I don't know about arcana, but you have too look at the previous game 98' UM had a cast that perhaps goes in the lines of the 50s, and XI was for about in the 40s, for the fans such a cut in the cast most likely give the feeling "my favourite characters got replaced by Elizabeth and Raiden? Fuck them". Also, from the most uneducated fans I have heard things like "'94 rebout was Hi res with 25 characters, I was expecting 3 times that for this game".

My take on the issue? It's better to take the cast with a grain of salt and enjoy it, my main worry is how many characters they might be able to pull out in the next dream match (more than 40? or less than 30?) whatever it is, it seems that we are close to 10 years to find out anything about it

Also, I hope that redrawing the characters will have a certain amount of effect on how the characters are handled, giving -perhaps- a much needed 'fun factor' boost to some members of the cast.







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"Re(6):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sun 5 Oct 02:37post reply

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It's probably because you use three characters at a time in KOF, so 20 characters might feel like... 7 characters for some people, I guess.



Another way to look at it is that the cast is even smaller than KOF'94.





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"Re(1):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sun 5 Oct 03:26post reply

my whole thing is that kof has always had a lot of characters, so thats what i've come to expect. for a kof game 20 isnt that much, but for garou or street fighter thats pretty big.





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"Re(2):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sun 5 Oct 06:44post reply

It shouldn't be that hard to be satisfied with a new hi-res SNK fighting game that has 20 characters just because it's Kof, since there is no new Garou in sight, and SFIV is what it is. I guess you can lay all your hopes on BlazBlue or whatever else is coming out.

Or is this just a phase in the mind of a typical omg-animu-kof-storyline-streetfighter-sota-figure-idiot? First comes the roster nagging, but when the game that is nothing unlike your irrational dream match is finally out, you love it.

Funny how SNK redrawing everything doesn't seem to be enough for some. Before the game is out, that is.





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"Re(3):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sun 5 Oct 07:08post reply

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Or is this just a phase in the mind of a typical omg-animu-kof-storyline-streetfighter-sota-figure-idiot?


Don't fail to remember that previously, every complain was on the lines of "Iori's sprite has 10 years!" or "why can't they animate the characters like in Garou!" and "Daddy didn't gave me a mercedes this year, the bastard!".

Along these lines, I'm glad that by this time none of the cast seems to share their "faces" nor their "skeletons", like half of the cast did in '94.







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"Re(4):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sun 5 Oct 13:38post reply

I would have been happy with another old school pixel KOF that ended the story.

My standards are low.





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"Re(5):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sun 5 Oct 16:40post reply

It's not that I'm not excited about the game, but I still play KOF XI regularly, and I don't know if it can really replace it with such a small cast. I mean, I use 18 characters in KOF XI and none of my big favorites (from XI or other KOFs) have made it to XII yet.

So far, I have 4 characters I kind of like in XII. I'd like at least one to be totally excited about and maybe 2 more I'm "okay" with.





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"Re(6):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sun 5 Oct 17:08post reply

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It's not that I'm not excited about the game, but I still play KOF XI regularly, and I don't know if it can really replace it with such a small cast. I mean, I use 18 characters in KOF XI and none of my big favorites (from XI or other KOFs) have made it to XII yet.

So far, I have 4 characters I kind of like in XII. I'd like at least one to be totally excited about and maybe 2 more I'm "okay" with.



I don't really understand why XII has to replace XI for anyone. Two different games. You can play both. You can even have DIFFERENT FAVOURITES in XII! Think about it.





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"Re(5):KOF XII October Thread" , posted Sun 5 Oct 18:33post reply

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Well, I don't know about arcana, but you have too look at the previous game 98' UM had a cast that perhaps goes in the lines of the 50s, and XI was for about in the 40s, for the fans such a cut in the cast most likely give the feeling "my favourite characters got replaced by Elizabeth and Raiden? Fuck them". Also, from the most uneducated fans I have heard things like "'94 rebout was Hi res with 25 characters, I was expecting 3 times that for this game".

My take on the issue? It's better to take the cast with a grain of salt and enjoy it, my main worry is how many characters they might be able to pull out in the next dream match (more than 40? or less than 30?) whatever it is, it seems that we are close to 10 years to find out anything about it

Also, I hope that redrawing the characters will have a certain amount of effect on how the characters are handled, giving -perhaps- a much needed 'fun factor' boost to some members of the cast.

The probleme for me didn't comes from the limited cast, there will be a(many) boss(es) after all and they'll maybe turn playable like the TRC characters from KOF 11. What disturbs me the most it's the dream match feeling, even with a low cast I was expecting for a solid story and some brand new charactrers. Of course this may happen as well, and this is why I'm waiting for th game. But I do fear that SNKP may gives us a KOF HD with just old KOF or SNK fighter which would lost a bit of interest as well IMO, since one of my pleasure in each KO