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"MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Sat 19 Apr 23:02

One of the better (non HD) trailers for the game
News and interviews

This could be good or bad. They look like they are trying a few new things with this. As far as I can tell with the trailers, models and textures look better, while the animation still looks stiff. "Freefall" might be a valid mechanic for air combos and flying characters. It looked like it might have drawn some things from UFC games since it looks like it could be a modified ground pound mechanic. Not sure about "Klose Kombat" due to the various super powers for both sides that would seem to work best for a distance or might be extremely broken upclose (Flash's speed). It's interesting that they acknowledge that the idea is unpopular. Hopefully, that combined with the lack of gore will force them to make the actual engine better. It's annoying that they might make the game canon (scowls at imcomplete Armaggedon storyline).

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"Re(1):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Sun 20 Apr 02:05

quote:
One of the better (non HD) trailers for the game
News and interviews

This could be good or bad. They look like they are trying a few new things with this. As far as I can tell with the trailers, models and textures look better, while the animation still looks stiff. "Freefall" might be a valid mechanic for air combos and flying characters. It looked like it might have drawn some things from UFC games since it looks like it could be a modified ground pound mechanic. Not sure about "Klose Kombat" due to the various super powers for both sides that would seem to work best for a distance or might be extremely broken upclose (Flash's speed). It's interesting that they acknowledge that the idea is unpopular. Hopefully, that combined with the lack of gore will force them to make the actual engine better. It's annoying that they might make the game canon (scowls at imcomplete Armaggedon storyline).

No gore? There is no MK universe without gore.

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"Re(2):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Sun 20 Apr 03:53

Please oh please let me be able to decapitate Superman.

Hilarity aside, the idea is kind of absurd but really is it any less over the top than the Hulk or Magneto taking on Ryu and Chun-Li?

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"Re(3):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Sun 20 Apr 12:46

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Hilarity aside, the idea is kind of absurd but really is it any less over the top than the Hulk or Magneto taking on Ryu and Chun-Li?

Seeing as having Magneto and The Hulk take on Chun-li and Ryu didn't require the basic elements of Street Fighter to have to be thrown out, I'd say it is more absurd.

Er.....

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"Re(1):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Sun 20 Apr 15:30

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It's annoying that they might make the game canon (scowls at imcomplete Armaggedon storyline).

I am not too sure if that would REALLY benefit DC or MK to have the storyline linked. Unless it gives reason for a kouple of the big named DC kharacters a reason to come back in MK9 and so on.

On the bright side, we may finally get a good MK komik. There was supposed to be one(IDK if it was going to be good or not) that was supposed to kome out a kouple of years ago, what happened to it? Or better yet some DC Direkt/DCU styled figures.

It will be interesting to see how the Unreal Engine will really influence the gameplay. So far is doesn't seem too different from the past few games. With the lack of Fatalities, I hope we get a twist on the more traditional Super move system that kompensates for this. Or maybe "Friendships" kan kome back.

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"Re(4):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Sun 20 Apr 17:32

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Hilarity aside, the idea is kind of absurd but really is it any less over the top than the Hulk or Magneto taking on Ryu and Chun-Li?

Seeing as having Magneto and The Hulk take on Chun-li and Ryu didn't require the basic elements of Street Fighter to have to be thrown out, I'd say it is more absurd.

The Capcom fighters were absurd, it's a given. But they were also ironic and cartoonish, they din't take them too seriously (see the ending of Ryu and Morrigan in MVC for example).
MK vs DC is a bit different: it's about realistic textures, realistic phisical engine and characters that are somehow "serious" or tend to be dark and aggressive.
Man, this is awful!

But in the end I'm intrigued how the unreal engine works on a fighter XD

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"Re(5):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Sun 20 Apr 22:51

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The Capcom fighters were absurd, it's a given. But they were also ironic and cartoonish, they din't take them too seriously (see the ending of Ryu and Morrigan in MVC for example).
MK vs DC is a bit different: it's about realistic textures, realistic phisical engine and characters that are somehow "serious" or tend to be dark and aggressive.
Man, this is awful!

But in the end I'm intrigued how the unreal engine works on a fighter XD

MKvs.DC is having the same problem than SFIV so far: the negativity of the traditional players (although so far it doesn't seem to be as strong as SFIV's, where people who didn't even test the game yet are already bashing it, most of the time irrationally, and desiring to kill Ono...).

In the case of MKvs.DC (that I'm fine with, as long as it is considered just a spin-off, NOT MK8), it's quite ironic actually to see how many people complain that this game will be stupid and that it will kill the franchise... come on, they bought MK ARMAGEDDON, which had a bad playability, lots of bugs, a rushed and full of holes story, and that generic and trashy Kreate-a-Fatality... obviously most of these people WILL BUY this game.

Sure, the idea is completely bizarre. But the teaser trailer is actually quite good. With some hard work in it, this game can be good, as a matter of fact. Again, it's just like SFIV: we can't say these games will be bad until we play them ourselves.

BTW, where is this information that MKvs.DC won't have blood and fatalities from? I didn't find this information in the MK Online news... (not that I care about fatalities; never use them, actually).

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"Re(6):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Mon 21 Apr 01:51

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BTW, where is this information that MKvs.DC won't have blood and fatalities from? I didn't find this information in the MK Online news... (not that I care about fatalities; never use them, actually).

It's briefly mentioned in one of the video interviews that while there might be finishers, there won't be actual fatalities. Likewise, there will be MUCH less blood but the trailer shows that some blood will still be there.

And likewise, I'm not much of a big fatality fan either.

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"Re(7):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Mon 21 Apr 04:17

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BTW, where is this information that MKvs.DC won't have blood and fatalities from? I didn't find this information in the MK Online news... (not that I care about fatalities; never use them, actually).

It's briefly mentioned in one of the video interviews that while there might be finishers, there won't be actual fatalities. Likewise, there will be MUCH less blood but the trailer shows that some blood will still be there.

And likewise, I'm not much of a big fatality fan either.

Honestly, as much as I don't like the idea of not having the one thing that made MK MK, Batman doesn't kill, so they'd have to do something that would end up being stupid to fill it in. That and DC may have told them "Yeah, uh, don't kill our guys, plz."

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"Re(8):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Mon 21 Apr 04:28

Huh, the guys who write the current Jonah Hex comic are stuck with the job of trying to create the semblance of a story for this game. But if this means that the Hex man is going to make it into the roster I'll have to buy this stupid game the day it is released.

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"Re(8):MK vs DCU: Official Thread" , posted Mon 21 Apr 10:57

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as much as I don't like the idea of not having the one thing that made MK MK, Batman doesn't kill, so they'd have to do something that would end up being stupid to fill it in.

Well they can just do like the movies, "oops Scorpion let go of my foot and fell into the pit"

or

"I won't kill you.... but I don't have to save you from that giant dragon about to eat your torso!"

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"MK without Fatalities means it's......" , posted Mon 21 Apr 18:29

KOMBAT TIME!!

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"20 Characters" , posted Tue 22 Apr 05:41:

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So only about 20 characters will be in this game, which isn't that bad since they are messing around with a new engine.

So for iconic characters we will probably get most of the MK1 cast. Maybe they will take out Kano and put in Kung Lao or Shao Kahn.

Is Liu Kang still a zombie?

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"Re(1):20 Characters" , posted Tue 22 Apr 08:35

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Is Liu Kang still a zombie?

I don't know, since they never cleared up the true ending to Armaggedon. As far as the cast is concerned, I think it is safe to guess that Kitana and/or Mileena will make it in (concerning MK2). Jax might have a chance and as you said, Shao Khan. Kung Lao would be cool but I have a feeling he may get the shaft (like usual...)

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"Re(2):20 Characters" , posted Tue 22 Apr 20:27

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Is Liu Kang still a zombie?

I don't know, since they never cleared up the true ending to Armaggedon. As far as the cast is concerned, I think it is safe to guess that Kitana and/or Mileena will make it in (concerning MK2). Jax might have a chance and as you said, Shao Khan. Kung Lao would be cool but I have a feeling he may get the shaft (like usual...)

After Armageddon, he's probably either fully back to life (as a normal human being), or died completely. Yet, I wouldn't be surprised if MKvsDCU would just disconsider the events of Armageddon, happening on an alternate timeline or some time before Armageddon.

Yeah, Mileena and Kitana have good chances of being in it. Let's see who would be the most likely characters:

- Sub-Zero (already confirmed)
- Scorpion (already confirmed)
- Raiden (very popular character)
- Johnny Cage (very popular character)
- Sonya Blade (quite popular character)
- Kano (MK's original badass villain)
- Shao Kahn (MK main villain)
- Goro (MK iconic character)
- Kitana (very popular character)
- Mileena (Mileena's reinclusion in Deception showed that one can't have Kitana without Mileena)

Since Boon said there will be AROUND 10 characters on each side, not EXACTLY 10 characters, there are also good chances for:

- Liu Kang (MK main hero)
- Kung Lao (MK better hero)
- Shang Tsung (MK first main villain)

Now, on DC side, I'm not sure about which characters will make it besides Batman and Superman. Well, Joker and Lobo fit quite well with the MK characters. As for Wonder Woman, if she's in, let's hope one of her special attacks consists on breaking her opponent's neck...

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"Re(3):20 Characters" , posted Wed 23 Apr 02:13

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Now, on DC side, I'm not sure about which characters will make it besides Batman and Superman. Well, Joker and Lobo fit quite well with the MK characters. As for Wonder Woman, if she's in, let's hope one of her special attacks consists on breaking her opponent's neck...

I hope for any Vertigo's character NOT TO BE INCLUDED. It would be really sad.

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"Re(3):20 Characters" , posted Wed 23 Apr 15:36

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Now, on DC side, I'm not sure about which characters will make it besides Batman and Superman. Well, Joker and Lobo fit quite well with the MK characters. As for Wonder Woman, if she's in, let's hope one of her special attacks consists on breaking her opponent's neck...

It's be nice if DC's side was:
-The Goddamn Batman (regular Batman's fine, but the goddamn Batman would *really* enjoy Mortal Kombat)
-Any of Batman's supporting cast or villians except: Riddler, Vantriloquist, Barbara and Commissioner Gordon, Alfred. (All of Batman's other villians are psychos who are both capable of and would LOVE to rip people apart with their bare hands. All his other sidekicks are accomplished martial artist well suited to this sorta deal)
-a possessed Superman (as in Hush or the episode of 'the Batman' that stole heavily from Hush, I can't see Superman under his own free will taking part in MK, but under someone else's control he'd make TOTAL sense in the game)
-Wonder Woman (like regular Batman, Wonder Woman would fit into a game about kicking ass just fine, but use Frank Miller's man-hating bitch Wonder Woman and you've got something special)
-Lobo (obvious)

No the Flash, no Green Lantern, no Martian Manhunter, ESPECIALLY no Aquaman. The game does not NEED the enter JLU, just the trinity and some bloodlusting crazies.

so pretty much I'm biased and just want "Frank Miller's Crazy Ass versions of Batman's cast Vs MK + LOBO!!!" but that's really the only way this could work when you think about it.

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"Re(1):20 Characters" , posted Wed 23 Apr 16:38

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The explanation for a weaker Superman doesn't quite work. Magic doesn't make him weaker. He just doesn't have superhuman resistance to it.

Not that it matters. Heck, it doesn't even matter in the comics, which are quite variable in Supe's strength and abilities and who or what can give him a fight.

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"Re(4):20 Characters" , posted Sun 27 Apr 01:28

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Now, on DC side, I'm not sure about which characters will make it besides Batman and Superman. Well, Joker and Lobo fit quite well with the MK characters. As for Wonder Woman, if she's in, let's hope one of her special attacks consists on breaking her opponent's neck...

It's be nice if DC's side was:
-The Goddamn Batman (regular Batman's fine, but the goddamn Batman would *really* enjoy Mortal Kombat)
-Any of Batman's supporting cast or villians except: Riddler, Vantriloquist, Barbara and Commissioner Gordon, Alfred. (All of Batman's other villians are psychos who are both capable of and would LOVE to rip people apart with their bare hands. All his other sidekicks are accomplished martial artist well suited to this sorta deal)
-a possessed Superman (as in Hush or the episode of 'the Batman' that stole heavily from Hush, I can't see Superman under his own free will taking part in MK, but under someone else's control he'd make TOTAL sense in the game)
-Wonder Woman (like regular Batman, Wonder Woman would fit into a game about kicking ass just fine, but use Frank Miller's man-hating bitch Wonder Woman and you've got something special)
-Lobo (obvious)

No the Flash, no Green Lantern, no Martian Manhunter, ESPECIALLY no Aquaman. The game does not NEED the enter JLU, just the trinity and some bloodlusting crazies.

so pretty much I'm biased and just want "Frank Miller's Crazy Ass versions of Batman's cast Vs MK + LOBO!!!" but that's really the only way this could work when you think about it.

Good choices. I've been thinking about who will appear in this game as well. Considering Boon said only the most iconic characters from both sides will appear, I guess some of the names below will be in it:

MK:

1) Sub-Zero (confirmed)
2) Scorpion (confirmed)
3) Baraka
4) Liu Kang
5) Raiden
6) Sonya
7) Johnny Cage
8) Kitana
9) Mileena
10) Goro
11) Shang Tsung

DC:

1) Batman (confirmed)
2) Superman (confirmed)
3) Wonder Woman
4) Lobo
5) Jonah Hex
6) Joker
7) Catwoman
8) Green Arrow
9) Black Canary
10) Flash
11) Bane

I know, Lobo and Jonah Hex aren't really iconic DC characters. But since the game plot will be made by Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Grey (really BAD idea, by the way...), I guess Hex has good chances of appearing, since these writers have produced some Hex stories (plus, Hex is very cool). As for Lobo, come on, he's the most fittable DC character to face the kombatants...

Oh, and I'd choose also one non-selectable boss for each side:

MK Boss: Shao Kahn
DC Boss: Darkseid

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"Re(5):20 Characters" , posted Sun 27 Apr 09:56

Although unlikely, I would really like to see Black Adam. Even though he has gotten a lot of coverage over the last couple of years, it seems that the big three plus their main villains will take up the majority of the cast.

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"Re(6):20 Characters" , posted Wed 30 Apr 03:03

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Although unlikely, I would really like to see Black Adam. Even though he has gotten a lot of coverage over the last couple of years, it seems that the big three plus their main villains will take up the majority of the cast.

Black Adam is very cool (unlike most of the other characters from the Captain Marvel's comics), and he actually fits very well in the MK universe with his violent behaviour and all. Unfortunately, as you said, his chances are compromised since he's not a "superpopular main DC villain" (plus, his presence would most likely mean Captain Marvel's inclusion as well, and C.Marvel isn't one of DC's nice designs, in my opinion...).

Nevertheless, I hope he has a chance to be in it.

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"Re(7):20 Characters" , posted Fri 9 May 22:35

Scorpion

Looks alright. Some people are doing the usual bitching. But maybe they did try a little too hard with the ribcage face mask.

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"Re(8):20 Characters" , posted Sat 10 May 06:41

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Scorpion

Looks alright. Some people are doing the usual bitching. But maybe they did try a little too hard with the ribcage face mask.

Wow, it's looking good, but at the same time it's a bit too much for the outfit itself. The theme is fine and all, but there's almost too much detail to it, my eyes are too distracted with everything going on with it.

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"Exoskeleton" , posted Sat 10 May 08:57

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Scorpion

Looks alright. Some people are doing the usual bitching. But maybe they did try a little too hard with the ribcage face mask.

The "ribcage" is probably Midway's attempt to put an actual scorpion on his face. If you look at his head, the top has an almost insect-like texture.

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"Re(9):20 Characters" , posted Sun 11 May 04:34

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Wow, it's looking good, but at the same time it's a bit too much for the outfit itself. The theme is fine and all, but there's almost too much detail to it, my eyes are too distracted with everything going on with it.

The MK designs often end up being a smidge too busy so I guess this is consistent at least. For example, in MK:Deception Scorpion's mask on the in-game model looked like the air filter out of my car.

Speaking of MK, the other day I was talking with a friend about how seemingly indestructible the MK franchise is. It was during that conversation that I realized that the MK brand had not only survived against all odd into the present day but that it would probably continue to thrive well into the future. Not only would Scorpion and Sub-Zero be around for years to come, those two dumb-asses would still be chasing each other around long after I'm gone. When I'm old and gray in a retirement home will I be given MK paraphernalia by the staff in order to remind me of the good old days of my youth? It was a sobering, discouraging line of thought.

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"More artworks" , posted Tue 20 May 04:39

Today, Midway has posted two stage artworks at the Worlds Collide website. One of them shows the Hell stage (including two UFC fighters fighting each other, but I guess they're just there to represent the kombatants and superheroes/villains), and the other one shows the Metropolis stage (VERY cool).

And although this wasn't officially revealed, it seems that some people already had access to Superman's render as well...

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"Re(1):More artworks(Chuck and Rampage)" , posted Tue 20 May 09:58:

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Today, Midway has posted two stage artworks at the Worlds Collide website. One of them shows the Hell stage (including two UFC fighters fighting each other, but I guess they're just there to represent the kombatants and superheroes/villains), and the other one shows the Metropolis stage (VERY cool).

And although this wasn't officially revealed, it seems that some people already had access to Superman's render as well...

Hopefully Metropolis is 1/4th as cool as the render makes it out to be.

If you look at the hell stage fighters it is Quinton "Rampage" Jackson knocking out Chuck Liddell from their last fight

Pic here

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Superman Render

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"Re(1):More artworks" , posted Tue 20 May 11:13

It intrigues me that the arena is called Hell not Netherrealm. I'm probably reading WAY to much into that though.

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"Re(10):20 Characters" , posted Tue 20 May 16:51

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When I'm old and gray in a retirement home will I be given MK paraphernalia by the staff in order to remind me of the good old days of my youth? It was a sobering, discouraging line of thought.

Honestly do you think teenagers who grew up reading Superman in the 1930s/40s ever imagined seeing him 80 years later in the cinema being a peeping tom and running from earth abandoning his unborn baby?

Expect your beloved franchises to be alive and kicking after you are gone, and very different from what you remembered.

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"Re(2):More artworks(Chuck and Rampage)" , posted Tue 20 May 18:43

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Superman Render

Wow, Bruce Campbell wearing a muscle suit? Midway is in desperate need of real talent. Awful renditions of Alex Ross's art is not what I want to see. Can't wait to see Stiffman animated Midway-style..

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