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"The SF4 thread" , posted Fri 11 Apr 21:00post reply

The other thread was too long.

16 characters so far :
The 8 SF2 characters
The 4 bosses
C.Viper / Abel / El Fuerte / Rufus

Answer to the two major points concerning Vega :
1) he's neither fat nor slim, between Zero and 2/CvS.
2) He appears to be voiced by Wakamoto again.

Location test report goes there.






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"Re(1):The SF4 thread" , posted Fri 11 Apr 21:48post reply

quote:
The other thread was too long.

16 characters so far :
The 8 SF2 characters
The 4 bosses
C.Viper / Abel / El Fuerte / Rufus

Answer to the two major points concerning Vega :
1) he's neither fat nor slim, between Zero and 2/CvS.
2) He appears to be voiced by Wakamoto again.

Location test report goes there.



Okay, first questions:

1) Can you please describe Rufus's looks and special attacks?

2) How are El Fuerte's special attacks? And is he a strong/slow fighter (like Zangief) or a weak/fast one (like Chun-Li used to be) - or a balanced fighter like Ryu?

3) There was a huge debate in this board about how would Vega's claw be mirrored in SFIV. So, how does it work: does his claw changes to the other hand when he faces the other side of the screen? Does it stay in the same arm (if so, how does it change his gameplay?)?

That's it, for now. I'm glad we got another new character, but I hope he's not the last one... SFIV still needs another new female fighter; plus, adding four new characters to the SFIICE roster isn't much different from what Capcom already did in Super SFII...





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"Re(1):The SF4 thread" , posted Fri 11 Apr 22:13post reply

quote:
The other thread was too long.

16 characters so far :
The 8 SF2 characters
The 4 bosses
C.Viper / Abel / El Fuerte / Rufus

Answer to the two major points concerning Vega :
1) he's neither fat nor slim, between Zero and 2/CvS.
2) He appears to be voiced by Wakamoto again.

Location test report goes there.



How about the music?
It's completely new or there are some arrangements/remixes?
If new, how it's like? It features rock, beat or jazz styled motives?





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"Re(1):The SF4 thread" , posted Fri 11 Apr 23:10post reply

quote:
The other thread was too long.

16 characters so far :
The 8 SF2 characters
The 4 bosses
C.Viper / Abel / El Fuerte / Rufus


SSFIIT - Newcomers + New Newcomers = SFIV!!

Well, at least cast-wise. If it ends up having only 4 new characters, I'm not going to be very happy. 6 is the minimum I'd want to consider it a real SFIV.

Anyway, I'm glad Balrog/Vega is there, and I'm not glad Vega/Bison is. What kind of excuse they'll throw to have him alive? Not that story matters much, but the death of the final boss could have some importance.





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"Re(2):The SF4 thread" , posted Sat 12 Apr 00:15:post reply

quote:
The other thread was too long.
4 bosses are here



Since the beginning, I expected them to put little to none relevance to the previous games storyline, it was quite obvious that this was a 'fit everyone' game since the first pics.

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Rufus is a heart-sama class fatty.


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"Re(3):The SF4 thread" , posted Sat 12 Apr 00:47:post reply

Rufus is MALE. I have confirmed this. He looks like Cheng from Fatal Fury, Bob from Tekken, Heart from HNK... you name it. He looks AMERICAN, but looks like a wanna-be Chinese fat guy. Whoever posted that in 2ch was misinformed.

He is a fat, obviously caucasian who has a half-beard (no growth on the chin, but has hair on the lip). Has one of those chinese hairdos where they are almost bald, but has a ponytail and a patch of hair. He wears a skintight suit that exposes his stomach and a patch of hair where his navel is.

I played him once... he seemed hard to move with but had a few good moves. It was mesmerizing to watch his fat move... he's built like an orange. I called him the "uniboob". It's like if you had a DOA girl, but she had one boob and the boob took up her whole body. With a patch of hair down the middle. That's Rufus all right.

El Fuerte was like Ramon from KOF, but hyper and way fast with the command run. He is dangerous if you knock someone down and play wakeup games, but he is high-risk with his attacks. His Ultra is not very useful, because he will jump in the air and can only catch a grounded opponent from midscreen. It is also slow, ironically. You have to leave yourself wide open to get hit from this.

He has an anti-air command throw, some moves he can do while running and that's pretty much it. We are trying to figure out how to make him successful, but it will be difficult because if he's running, he's very vulnerable.

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"Re(4):The SF4 thread" , posted Sat 12 Apr 03:32post reply

Thanks for the impressions. I'll be curious to see how Rufus turns out since it sounds like he's going to be the first non-grappler big guy in SF. But the idea that he is consciously trying to look like one of those fat guys from Fatal Fury... wow, that's quite the fashion statement.

Having six new characters playable for this test was quite the surprise. It makes me curious to see how many more characters Capcom plans on putting into the game before its release if they felt confident enough to stuff half a dozen new characters in at once.





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"Re(5):The SF4 thread" , posted Sat 12 Apr 10:27post reply

quote:
Having six new characters playable for this test was quite the surprise. It makes me curious to see how many more characters Capcom plans on putting into the game before its release if they felt confident enough to stuff half a dozen new characters in at once.



Me too... I hope there are at least two more new characters in it, to make SFIV's cast look more like a new SF cast, instead of SSFII with other new challengers.

And I hope there are at least two more female characters (at least one of them being new to the series). Didn't Ono say that he would balance the representativity of both genders in SFIV. So far we just have two women and 14 men, so the girls need some backup...





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"Re(4):The SF4 thread" , posted Sat 12 Apr 18:05:post reply

quote:
Whoever posted that in 2ch was misinformed.
Or more likely, was misunderstood by the person who reported it.

I don't know if they will add more characters, but if they add even one more my money is on Gôki first, and Cammy close second.

Rufus has a girlfriend. His moves have great names, Kyûseishû kick, ginga tornade, spectacle romance, space opera symphony...
There are a lot of new background, including a very bright shadoloo base where they look like they are producing wine (which might be a nice reference to Capcom's ex CIO).
The faces look better, especially Ryû/Ken.
Vega acts like a mix between both versions, floating in the sky and talking as a big undefeated boss.
The selection screen looks good and full, 8 upward, 8 downward. Not good for any further addition.
Balrog looks good, and plays well. The direction holding works fine. He can loose his claw, and has metallic sounds when he guards with it.





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"Re(5):The SF4 thread" , posted Sun 13 Apr 00:47post reply

More posted on shoryuken.com, especially important for Rufus and Vega/claw fans.





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"Be quick to watch, my friends..." , posted Sun 13 Apr 03:51post reply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbewQKWf-Xs <- El Fuerte vs Zangief

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ljf8DK2gP4 <- Rufus vs Blanka

I guess we need to thank The_Reno from the Shoryuken.com forums for that!

Rufus looks weird... even more weird than I thought! And he's REALLY fat - I mean, he makes E.Honda looks like Hilary Duff... Still not sure if I like him, but at least he's more original than I thought.

El Fuerte is GREAT!! Brilliant moves!





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"Re(5):The SF4 thread" , posted Sun 13 Apr 04:36post reply

El Fuerte looks great and Rufus certainly looks like he has that Cheng Sinzan thing going on. Out of all the information that's come out the only thing that disappoints me is the news that they are fixing Ryu's face. I was looking forward to playing ugly, crazy Ryu.

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There are a lot of new background, including a very bright shadoloo base where they look like they are producing wine (which might be a nice reference to Capcom's ex CIO).


I hope at some point barrels of wine start tumbling around in the background in a nod to that SF2 bonus round.





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"Re(6):The SF4 thread" , posted Sun 13 Apr 06:46post reply

I have another question for EddyT and Iggy: what are the nationalities of Rufus and El Fuerte?

Wikipedia says El Fuerte is from Mexico, but I didn't find anything else confirming this. And since people say Rufus is Chinese-American, I wonder which country he's from...





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"Re(7):The SF4 thread" , posted Sun 13 Apr 07:10post reply

quote:
I have another question for EddyT and Iggy: what are the nationalities of Rufus and El Fuerte?

Wikipedia says El Fuerte is from Mexico, but I didn't find anything else confirming this. And since people say Rufus is Chinese-American, I wonder which country he's from...



El Fuerte is definitely from Mexico. Rufus is more than likely an American, but wants to be Asian (like Sodom, he butchers the Japanese language).

Everyone is hating on Rufus and his looks, but I think he's a bit of all right. Even though I am getting my ass handed to me when I play him, he's quite fun to mess around with.





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"Re(8):The SF4 thread" , posted Sun 13 Apr 07:22post reply

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El Fuerte is definitely from Mexico. Rufus is more than likely an American, but wants to be Asian (like Sodom, he butchers the Japanese language).



When you put the cursor in the select screen over Rufus, which flag appears? United States, China or another one? If it's the U.S. flag, I guess we can say he's American.

He seems interesting, however his outfit makes he look clowny and silly (and not in a good way). I hope my opinion on him will change (after all, I didn't like both Viper and El Fuerte when I saw their artworks, but now they look like great characters).





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"Re(9):The SF4 thread" , posted Sun 13 Apr 07:43post reply

Regarding Rufus, only one thought comes to mind. A Blanka quote from SF: The Later Years.

"WHAT. The FUCK. MENG?"





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"Re(8):The SF4 thread" , posted Sun 13 Apr 09:23post reply

Not much info on Vega(Claw), but everything I've read is simply AWESOME. Maximum Spider-esque Ultra? That's one of the most awesome supers ever, so... WOHOOO! EX Wall dive hitting on the way up? That's just amazing! I would have never thought of adding that property to his EX dives. And has a badass taunt, too.

Also, from the vids, El Fuerte looks even better in movement! I'm really surprised with this character, I think I'm going to like it a lot.

Regarding Rufus... Well, so far, I don't like him. Maybe when I see more pictures and videos of him, I'll dig the design, but so far he looks horrible.





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"Re(9):The SF4 thread" , posted Sun 13 Apr 10:15post reply

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Regarding Rufus... Well, so far, I don't like him. Maybe when I see more pictures and videos of him, I'll dig the design, but so far he looks horrible.



I don't like him either from what I've seen, but so far I've had at least a little bit of nasty stuff to say about everything in the game, and the combination of time, screenshots and loketest reports have changed my mind about almost everything, so... it's hard not to be open about it, I guess!





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"Rufus, Fuerte videos" , posted Sun 13 Apr 16:27post reply

Rufus vs Blanka

El Fuerte ve Zangief





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"Re(1):Rufus, Fuerte videos" , posted Sun 13 Apr 18:39post reply

quote:
Rufus vs Blanka

El Fuerte ve Zangief



Well, the game looks better than the previous loc-test, it seems really good even in these bad resolution vids.
About the charas: I like El Fuerte al lot; he seems a hybrid between Ramon and Blanka, and the style is very interesting. Pretty well animated too.
Rufus is REALLY a giant boob ^^'
I don't like his design much but it seems fine to me gameplay-wise. His animations are also good, exept for his boob-body, so absurd.

Now I want more new characters, especially girls.
And please, Cammy and Gouki are fine, but STOP WITH THIS SF2 TRIBUTE!!!





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"Re(8):The SF4 thread" , posted Sun 13 Apr 18:42post reply

quote:
Everyone is hating on Rufus and his looks, but I think he's a bit of all right.

I think he goes perfectly with the designs of the rest of the SF2 cast. Which is is sort of why I don't like them to begin with.





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"Re(2):Rufus, Fuerte videos" , posted Sun 13 Apr 19:03post reply

quote:
STOP WITH THIS SF2 TRIBUTE!!!



I share your sentiment, but it's way too late to say that now.

Well, I can't say the game looks bad anymore, but it doesn't appeal to me at all outside of "I like fighting games".





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"My band called the SF2 Tribute" , posted Sun 13 Apr 20:00:post reply

I just came home and posted the rest of my report in srk.com. The game is coming along nicely. The only thing I worry about is that the two newcomers (El Fuerte and Rufus) are lacking a bit in moves. They have a lot of potential if they added more stuff to them, and oddly enough it's good that this game is in 3D because that means that it's much easier to add/subtract things in the game. For example:

* Abel's super is completely changed
* C. Viper now has a few useful kicks that actually can hit out in front of her, if she jumps forward.
* Some characters look much better, some look the same, but hopefully the final version will give everyone equal love (no C.Viper love in this loketest apparently)

I understand the general public and their concern of this game being too much like SF2 in 3D. And really, it is an opinion that is very valid. The game plays like Super Turbo, with speed of gameplay similar to 3S (except for Fuerte, who is on crack).

However, the gameplay is very solid, even moreso with the small tweaks they have done this time around.

Maddy and I had a similar argument before I actually tried the game 4 months ago, but what he said to me made sense. Capcom needed to go back to the basics, bring back the players that loved the game years ago, and make it really fun to play without having to learn so many complex new things. Games like Tekken, VF and even the later SF games just got too complicated and scared off new players. IV is very very accessible and fun for both new players and expert players.

If you liked 3S and hated ST, yeah you will hate the game. Unfortunately, it does go old school with zoning being a main game tactic, but there are some new school tricks that opens up the game much more than ST did.

Maddy was right... he's always right. He is probably God on Earth.





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"Re(3):Rufus, Fuerte videos" , posted Sun 13 Apr 20:03post reply

Did you already know that you can view higher quality videos on youtube by pasting &fmt=18 at the end of a youtube video URL?

I learned about it yesterday. It seems to be a semi-hidden option at least for now. If you watch the high quality version video, you can see a TV icon next to the "Views" counter. If you click it you can choose now between high or standard quality.

Give it a try it with those SF4 videos. This option might not work with older videos.





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"Re(4):Rufus, Fuerte videos" , posted Sun 13 Apr 22:05post reply

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Did you already know that you can view higher quality videos on youtube by pasting &fmt=18 at the end of a youtube video URL?


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"Re(3):Rufus, Fuerte videos" , posted Mon 14 Apr 02:44post reply

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Well, I can't say the game looks bad anymore,



I must say that I'd like to know what has brought about this change of heart.





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"Re(1):My band called the SF2 Tribute" , posted Mon 14 Apr 04:00post reply

Personally i'm somewhat glad to see the classic roster back. I liked SF3 but I always thought in my head "I wish I was playing with Guile or Sagat in this style" right now.

My only disappointment is they didn't mix in a few Alpha & SF3 characters or Final Fight guys, I could do without E. Honda or Balrog/Bison for example.





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"Re(2):My band called the SF2 Tribute" , posted Mon 14 Apr 06:34post reply

If it hasn't mentioned before, Rufus is American CONFIRMED. Profile flag is American.

A lot of complaints all over the board from SRK. It's a little crazy:

* Why aren't 3S/Alpha/New Challenger characters in the game?
* Rufus is a waste of space character
* People hate it because it borrows from ST too much
* People hate it because it borrows from 3S too much
* Ono is the devil, the Anti-Christ, and the biggest liar... all rolled up into one person


And this is before the game has been finalized, with only less than 1000 people who have had some experience with a build of the game.

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"Re(4):Rufus, Fuerte videos" , posted Mon 14 Apr 09:01post reply

quote:

Well, I can't say the game looks bad anymore,


I must say that I'd like to know what has brought about this change of heart.



Just for the record, "looks" means "seems" in this case.

But I feel that way mainly because of positive reports and updates to the game. I don't know if all the little graphical hiccups are fixed or not, but I know the renders are being updated, and the animation has certainly improved from the earlier footage.

Before, the only reports I had were nothing but hype from the general gaming press, which is the last source I trust. Now that more people have sat down with the game, have nice things to say, and those nice things seem to be evident in the videos, the game seems solid enough.

I still don't like...well...just about everything about it, but it doesn't look like a bad game. Before we had much information (or information from sources I could trust), I think that fear was justifiable.





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"Re(5):Rufus, Fuerte videos" , posted Mon 14 Apr 10:46post reply

quote:


Just for the record, "looks" means "seems" in this case.



Ah, there's the rub.

Because I was wondering exactly what part of the game's look you now found so much better than before, at least going from "bad" to "positive".





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"Re(6):Rufus, Fuerte videos" , posted Tue 15 Apr 02:04post reply

Is Abel French? Cause he looks like this guy (same colors but wrong nationality):

http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/ripofffolder/ripoffpage1.html#Abel





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