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| Iggy 8127th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Sun 2 Sep 20:33:
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If they include both 96 Geese and RB2 Geese, I'll definitely pick up the game. It would be indeed interesting if pretty much all characters had EX variations this time.
They said there would be several new ura characters.
I think the 4 silhouettes appearing after the two Bôsô in the video might be them (in which case there would be not a lot of "several"). Even if they are but 4, I bet Takuma and Geese at least will have ura. I would love to have ura Chin, but phat chance.
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Speaking of which, I forgot how EX characters based on RB2 (such as EX Terry) behaved in the original KOF'98. Did they have their fake moves and fake supers (usually    and  )? If so, did these fakes allow cancels like in RB2?
They didn't have those. I thought they were based on RB1 ?
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Geese kicks ass.
Well, this goes without saying
You actually liked KOF 96 Geese ? Or SvC Geese ?
Also, they finally gave the Raging Storm the RB1 effects back.
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but I am rather surprised by the positivity emanating from your post (both because I thought 98UM would be disappointing
I think Hakase did a really good job on the port of XI, and what he's been doing so far (a fan taking over his favourite series) is what I hoped Falcoon would do before everything went horribly wrong .
Even the fight between Hakase and Imoya to release the game in the arcades is amusing.
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I thought you wanted to dislike the game very much).
Oh, no no no. I still love 98, and everything that has been added so far sounds great (AND they didn't add any stupid anime opening or crappy HD filter). Plus Geese, Kasumi or Eiji should have been in the game. It's not a remake, it's a kanzenban.
And also, how long has it been since Krauzer was in a game ? 12 years ?
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| chazumaru 480th Post
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| "Re(3):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Sun 2 Sep 21:48:
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They didn't have those. I thought they were based on RB1 ?
Ah, possibly. I remembered that EX Terry had typical RB2 stuff, but I might be wrong. It's been a long time since I haven't played KOF'98 and I probably didn't know RB2 that well at the time either...
However RB2 pre-dates KOF'98 by a few months and SNK's teams have always been very reactive about gameplay changes for characters (ex. a lot of stuff from Ryuuko Gaiden appeared in KOF'96). Also, since the mere concept of "EX versions" first appeared in RBS, I would at least expect the variations (for Garou characters) to be taken from RBS.
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You actually liked KOF 96 Geese ? Or SvC Geese ?
No, I didn't.
(OK now I see your point: "guest appearances of Geese in the KOF engine have often been disappointing, there was no reason to be optimistic." True.)
The reason I am hoping for two versions of Geese is that I do not trust SNKP. Therefore, I am concerned they might start from 96 Geese (or more likely NGBC Geese) as a basis, and add stuff from there that will result in a weird mish-mash. I would prefer that they keep all the good stuff (the "real" Raising Storm, the ↓+C pursuit move i.e. everything that comes from the RB series) in an separate version.
Furthermore, I do not care much about KOF anymore but since KOF'98 is still regarded (as far as I know) as the epitome of the series and since this remake is a testament to these old fans before SNK switches to full-time softporn digico for DS and cellphones, I think it would be fair for true KOF fans who actually prefered KOF版 Geese that they get to play with "their" retardedversion of the character.
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Also, they finally gave the Raging Storm the RB1 effects back.
"Raising". As it raises from the ground. The new graphics are cool. Indeed, it's back to the RB1 "surrounding" version, but it seems to cover more ground as well...
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I think Hakase did a really good job on the port of XI, and what he's been doing so far (a fan taking over his favourite series) is what I hoped Falcoon would do before everything went horribly wrong .
I see. It's true that I heard very good things of the PS2 versions of KOF 2003 and XI (I guess he did 2003 as well?).
Then it's nice to hear that SNKP found the right guy for this job.
Now what bothers me is that all this positive talk about the recent PS2 versions is bringing legitimacy to the PS2 versions/compilations of Neo games in general, which is something I had not planned to interfer with my oh-so-tight budget.
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Oh, no no no. I still love 98, and everything that has been added so far sounds great (AND they didn't add any stupid anime opening or crappy HD filter). Plus Geese, Kasumi or Eiji should have been in the game. It's not a remake, it's a kanzenban.
Well, judging from the niconico video, it seems you can watch the anime intro of the Dreamcast version in the gallery mode. But I see your point. I am sure there will be an optional filter, juste like you can choose between 2D and 3D versions of the backgrounds. As long as it's optional, no hurt is done.
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And also, how long has it been since Krauzer was in a game ? 12 years ?
I know you're being tongue-in-cheek but, for those who really wondered, I think his last playable appearance was Garou Densetsu 1st Contact on NGPC.
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| Iggy 8127th Post
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| "Re(4):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Sun 2 Sep 22:51
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I probably didn't know RB2 that well at the time either...
I STILL don't know RB2 that well either.
And I'm ashamed. So very very ashamed.
Also, I never really liked the Garô/Ryûkô characters in KOF (well, mostly the way they were treated when compared to their original series) to begin with. Beside Joe in 02, I think.
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(OK now I see your point: "guest appearances of Geese in the KOF engine have often been disappointing, there was no reason to be optimistic.
You are the best online Iggy/human dictionary I ever saw.
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The reason I am hoping for two versions of Geese is that I do not trust SNKP. Therefore, I am concerned they might start from 96 Geese (or more likely NGBC Geese) as a basis, and add stuff from there that will result in a weird mish-mash.
I think no one like 96 Geese... But they need to have two versions of him, one with normal Reppûken and the other with short ones.
If they could have one version with his kimono on and the other without, it would be perfect, but they don't have any reason to do that.
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since KOF'98 is still regarded (as far as I know) as the epitome of the series and since this remake is a testament to these old fans
Exactly. I saw several fans saying "KOF 98 was the game that took me into fighting games, and this game will be the last one I'll play".
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before SNK switches to full-time softporn digico for DS and cellphones
Calm down, calm down, they actually have another KOF game to release before that.
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
KOF 02 UM, of course
End of Spoiler
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"Raising". As it raises from the ground.
Oh. Aaaaaah ! Ooho.
Wait !
That make sense !
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I see. It's true that I heard very good things of the PS2 versions of KOF 2003 and XI (I guess he did 2003 as well?).
I haven't heard anything on the 2003 port, but I would rather have never heard anything about KOF 2003 at all, so maybe I'm not the best judge here.
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Now what bothers me is that all this positive talk about the recent PS2 versions is bringing legitimacy to the PS2 versions/compilations of Neo games in general
I don't see why ? On one hand you have a faithful complete edition, on the other you have a bunch of roms, an emulator and a nice original illustration on the cover.
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But I see your point.
Let's get married!
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I am sure there will be an optional filter, juste like you can choose between 2D and 3D versions of the backgrounds.
I don't think so. The filter required actually some kind of work, and nobody liked it, so I think they'd rather think it never happened.
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I know you're being tongue-in-cheek but, for those who really wondered, I think his last playable appearance was Garou Densetsu 1st Contact on NGPC.
Touché !
(puffs of smoke)
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| Ikari Loona
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| "Re(2):Niconicopunch!!" , posted Mon 3 Sep 04:08
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Now we just need Goenitz and Orochi (and maybe Orochi Iori and Orochi Leona) to complete the roster.
Iggy mentioned them in the first post, but I haven't seen the video (I'm not registering there just for this one video...).
I'd find it odd if the Riot characters were in, considering how they were loathed as overpower with the added bonus of getting teammates when playable... still, I liked Orochi Leona's animations and voice quite a bit and it'd be cool to see her return.
Goenitz and Orochi himself (hopefully toned down to playable Mizuchi levels) I can imagine being abused to some extent... then again, Orochi Shermie had the energy-thingy-appearing-at different-distances skill and it didn't break the game... hers wasn't screen-high though...
Other than Geese and Takuma (SvC new skill set might be interesting if toned down) do any other possibilities for Ura characters have been pointed out?
Mr. Big is yet to get a full-screen projectile outside AoF... maybe Kim's been through enough changes over the years (and moves inspired by his offspring, like the kick he got in MI2) to get a tweaked version too? Also IIRC Krauser had Geese-like counter moves in the RBs and he didn't use to be able to charge his Kaiser Wave a la Rugal. Oh, yeah, and King's got 2 kinds of Tornado Kick and Surprise Rose, alternate methods to use the Double Strike...
Eh.. now that I think about it, everyone who made it to CvS1 and is in this game might get the Ura treatment as an analogue the the EX version in that game...
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| chazumaru 482th Post
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| "Re(3):Niconicopunch!!" , posted Mon 3 Sep 05:00:
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Other than Geese and Takuma (SvC new skill set might be interesting if toned down) do any other possibilities for Ura characters have been pointed out?
Nothing that clear has been mentioned in the video. We only know there will be more alternate versions than in the original game. Most of the characters' new moves mentioned by Iggy are shown in action in the video. Therefore if you know the game (or at least the character), it is quite easy to notice when something is different. From the video alone, it is impossible to identify whether each new move shown has been added to the original KOF'98 character or comes from a possible new alternate version.
Let me clarify that it has never been alluded in the video Geese had an alternate version. One of the black silhouettes quickly shown (right after the easily identifiable silhouettes of Orochi Leona and Orochi Iori) might be Geese, but when we discussed a possible alternate Geese with Iggy earlier on this topic, it was just my wishful thinking that they don't mix up a single version with different influences.
Concretely, there is little chance they include an alternate version of the Boss team ; I think the alternate versions will come from characters that were already in 98 to begin with. The only credible alternate version for a boss would be Geese because he had so many avatars that there is a lot of material available to create different versions of the character (hell, they could even steal from Young Geese if they wanted).
Mr.Big and Krauser however, have been in very few games. And usually these newer versions only added to the character in order to "modernize" his movelist. If you include NGBC Big, it doesn't really make sense to include 96 Big as well, because the old version has little to no advantage on the recent version (unless you simply make the older version dash out more damage). Same thing with Krauser: he doesn't have enough material available. The RBS/RB2 version includes the counter moves and the charge move you mentioned, but what does it take away? RBS Krauser is not as much an alternative to '96 Krauser (who is based on Garou Spe) as it is a much richer version of the same character.
On the other hand, Kim and Takuma are very good candidates as you mentioned, because they have so many different versions even without leaving KOF (I wouldn't be surprised if EX Takuma happened to be the KOF'02 version of Takuma).
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| Iggy 8128th Post
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| "Re(4):Niconicopunch!!" , posted Mon 3 Sep 07:13
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I didn't mind 96 Geese either. Aside from his infinity he didn't come off as broken as hell or a total cheeseball like most of his other versions.
Sure, but he wasn't the badass character Geese ought to be presented as.
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I'm going to go on record and say I never liked the idea of having multiple versions of playable characters.
It depends on how it's done. CvS1 was retarded, but the 98 thing is good, in my opinion. I know my favourite versions of Chin are his 98 and 02 versions, and they are totally different, both awesome and can't be mixed in one skillist. Same with Kyo 95/98, I guess.
It's like the Shura/Rasetsu characters in SS : some separations were stupid and fused back in one character in Zero (Rimururu or Charlotte) other were interesting because they created completely different types of play, and got separated (Kazuki-Enja, or the obvious Nakoruru-Rera).
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then again, Orochi Shermie had the energy-thingy-appearing-at different-distances skill and it didn't break the game... hers wasn't screen-high though...
Goenitz in SvC was fine (even thought because of Geese and Zero, it's hard to say whether he was balanced or not). His two problems was that he was a n00b killer (but then, what new player is going to play a new version of KOF 98 ?) and that he was shallow. You didn't have lots of things to do with him. But he was Goenitz, so the simple idea of playing as him was awesome.
Oh, also, they added the 02 guardcancel-roll to the game, so he shouldn't be that much of a trouble.
Now I think of it, Goenitz and Eiji in this game might be annoying for Mature. They have most of her moves... Oh well.
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Nothing that clear has been mentioned in the video. We only know there will be more alternate versions than in the original game. Most of the characters' new moves mentioned by Iggy are shown in action in the video.
I think during the show from last year, they mentioned both the normal and ura characters have been changed (I think one version of Terry that didn't have the Buster Wolf now has it, and the other one got... another move ? I don't remember exactly, I loathe Terry). I hope Ura Joe will be... well... at least not the worst character of the game.
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From the video alone, it is impossible to identify whether each new move shown has been added to the original KOF'98 character or comes from a possible new alternate version.
Beside Yuri's Saiba, since only the Ura version had it (or they could give it to the normal version, but that would be retarded).
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If you include NGBC Big, it doesn't really make sense to include 96 Big as well, because the old version has little to no advantage on the recent version (unless you simply make the older version dash out more damage).
Ura BIG will be the same, except he won't be able to jump !
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Same thing with Krauser: he doesn't have enough material available. The RBS/RB2 version includes the counter moves and the charge move you mentioned, but what does it take away? RBS Krauser is not as much an alternative to '96 Krauser (who is based on Garou Spe) as it is a much richer version of the same character.
Now I think of it, in last year's show, Krauzer was not the boring character he was in 96. He had several old-new of moves (not the counters, I think ?), and was really rethought from a global Garô Densetsu perspective, using only the 96 sprite as a base.
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On the other hand, Kim and Takuma are very good candidates as you mentioned, because they have so many different versions even without leaving KOF (I wouldn't be surprised if EX Takuma happened to be the KOF'02 version of Takuma).
I think it's safe to bet on 6 ura characters : Iori and Leona being the bôsô versions, and the 4 silhouettes in the video. They hinted about much more, but that is the minimum we know we will get.
Likely candidates would be... Kim, Takuma, Geese, Clark... Has Ralf changed as much as Clark over the years? Chin could be added just for me. Maybe Kensou without his powers ? It would be tied to the post 98 storyline, so maybe not... Mary of course... I think Ura Mature and Vice might be a stretch, but a version with their 96 stances and fewer but better moves (not to the extend of 96 Mature, but in this spirit) could be done, after all, they are popular characters...
Too many !
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| chazumaru 484th Post
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| "Re(9):Niconicopunch!!" , posted Mon 3 Sep 14:11:
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in garou 3 almost every move had a feint (not 2 or 3 moves like in the rb series); plus, they where performed similary to the normal move; (por example, fireball with b+d will produce the feint of the fireball +c move, that applied to the desperation moves as well).
True, however feints in Garou 3 were quite retarded on practice (too tough to input for their utility, sometimes buggy like Andy non-screaming fake super that gave it away, etc.). But you're right, all RBs had the fake anyway, so the non-implementation of fakes was definitely a choice from the designers.
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XIAN FEI !?
Hmmm it would be nice but I am not convinced. I mean, we could even go wild and say the second one from the right looks like a hat-wearing character, and by that you know I mean <spoilerz>PLAYABLE SMART CHOI OH MON DIEU!!!!</spoilerz>. But to be honest I really can't figure out who these people are supposed to be.
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| chazumaru 485th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Niconicopunch!!" , posted Mon 3 Sep 22:12:
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By the way, were those feints any useful ?
In short, yes.
Garou 3 was trying too hard to become at the same time the richest 2D fighting game ever and a(n im)possible alternative to what 3D fighting games were bringing to the genre. Therefore it included tons of crazy shit, such as these fake moves (and these "tons of crazy shit" are what makes Garou 3 simultaneously fascinating, dumb like a dick, very interesting to study, tiresome, underestimated and completely boring to play). I am far from being an expert of Garou 3, but most people agree that the fake moves were only really useful for a few characters.
RB and its sequels streamlined this very cleverly. First, you can only fake one move and the S-power attack (a few characters actually fake their P-power instead of their S-power). To take Geese's case as an example, that means you can only fake the Reppuken and the Raising Storm. To compensate, they made the faints very easy to pull out at anytime and harder to distinguish immediately from the real move than in Garou 3.
Being able to fake S-power moves is expecially important in the Real Bout series because you need to remember that when one player loses his first life gauge, he gains unlimited access to S-power moves. So if we follow the case of Geese once again, it means a Geese player in difficulty can suddenly pull out a real Raising Storm or fake one anytime, which becomes an essential aspect of Geese's strategy.
For example, a Kim player (like our Tristan from Boulette) will have no trouble connecting his insanely fast Hôô-kyaku between the beginning of a Raising Storm animation and the apparition of the energy wave, which would normally strongly penalize Geese because he would then lose most of his mind game. However if Kim launches his Hôô-kyaku on a fake Raising Storm, the Geese player will have the time to guard (lame!) or to pull out a jôdan ateminage and counter the Hôô-kyaku (awesome!).
But wait! It happens that Kim's own fake super is a fake Hôô-kyaku. Therefore - and you probably see where I am going - a good Kim player can fake that he got fooled by a fake Raising Storm and then punish Geese while he is doing a useless jôdan ateminage (awesome²). Unless Geese knew that and launched a Reppuken instead of his counter... Unless it was a fake Reppuken! Add the temporary plane shifting aspect to all this, and two RB2 players who know each other very well can sometimes spend five good seconds without any contact between their two characters. And these five seconds are usually five super tense seconds of pure mind gaming awesomeness.
And I did not even bring up the most useful characteristic yet, which was either introduced in RBS or RB2 (I need to double-check... Anyway, it is for sure in RB2). You can chain fake moves into your combos. In that case, they act like "fake cancels" allowing to interrupt the normal combo with a completely different move, which opens up quite a lot of possibilities. Great example here. Check out the fake Raising Storms at 00:04, 00:09 and 00:10.
So in less short, fuckyes.
[edit] Another nice example of clever fakes: Geese vs. Lawrence.
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| "Re(4):Re(10):Niconicopunch!!" , posted Tue 4 Sep 03:25
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Check out the fake Raising Storms at 00:04, 00:09 and 00:10.
Woh.
Wooooooh.
OK.
But then, these fake moves can also be used in combo like a dokocan/roman cancel, if I get it right ?
Since the new activation of KOF 98UM seems to have the same properties (which may be risky for the game) I guess you could pull out such a combo... Except you can only activate one gauge, and the deadly rave seems to be automatic (or maybe not, or maybe there will be an Ura Geese automatic and normal Geese manual, or...)
I really, really regret missing the RB2 party train.
I remeber about the feint moves in RB2... It was really interesting.
I remeber watching a fight long time ago, the 2 dude were playing like Chaz said, with 5 sec or more of mind gaming in a Xiang fei / Duck king fight. They did pull out some crazy stuff, so impresive that I didn't even guess how they did it. I was then just watching them with big eyes, and some twinkling stars around me...
Fortes fortuna juvat...
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| Toxico 4285th Post
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|  "Re(6):Re(10):Niconicopunch!!" , posted Tue 4 Sep 13:28:
To further add on the 'feints' subject.
Example for Zero and Zero special.
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Haômaru had a projectile feint, and I never understood the usefulness of it.
You might have been trying to fake the enemy from full screen; in order to "make" the enemy jump.... That's retarded.
The feint itself is good at close combat; at a certain distance (a little less than "round start" distance), a blocked senpu retsu san recovers slowly when the enemy block it, and since it's close, some characters can't jumping or if they see the move the move too late, they will rather block the whirlwind and then attack you; when you make that happen; you can feint the move, and then do a running throw.
Let's say that the enemy saw you, then you can feint the whirlwind, and do a running A or a running strong slash; OR you could have made the whirlwind instead of the feint, or even better yet, you could add another feint after the initial feint.
The fact that hao is a lose cannon when running with quick attacks and long attacks works in advantage of the feint; also the fact that in korin and musouken the whirlwind was too damn abusable; and the feint itself can bring a change of pace the gameplay that actually makes the character both; more interesting to play and have a bigger edge on the offensive; but as previously stated; you have to tame your enemy after many hours of play and perhaps days and months, so that he can realize what choices does he have, and what possible "solutions" can he come up with.
More games need feints :P
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| Bata kun 3097th Post
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| "Re(7):That horrid emotion system." , posted Sat 8 Sep 07:34:
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From what I recall the faces reflect the relationship between characters, and that only affects how much stock they have at the beginning of a match (for example, Iori's on bad terms with everyone so he'll always start with no stock - I don't remember how it is in extra though, maybe the bar's shorter or longer, since that's affected betwen round anyway; a character that follows someone (s)he's neutral to will retain stock from the previous round and a character on good terms will get one extra level of stock); I think it also affects if a yet-unused character from the same team in the background will assist during a dizzy if you press ABC, but it's not something I've seen happening in 98...
In "1997", if you were in Advanced mode, it affected the number of stocks you'd receive tremendously and it affects the actions of the team members. For Extra mode, only the latter is implied. In "1998", this is the case as well for both modes. However, unlike in "1997", "1998" is more lenient because if you lost with three stocks in the end with Rugal for example, you'd start the next round with two stocks instead of none. Regardless of relationships, the bar keeps getting shorter in Extra mode when you lose.
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Actually, there are two emotion systems : the one in the Neo Geo - PS1 version, and the DC version, which is based on the same friendship system as the assist.
I guess there will be the option to choose between "original" and "DC" (and hopefully "none", since nobody liked either).
Oh yeah. I forgot about the DC version. It's been years since I've played it. Never the less, I'd figure that you already have the chance to remove the advantage anyway.
うぐう！
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| Iggy 8161th Post
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| "Re(1):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Sat 22 Sep 05:06
I can't list everything that's reported (also I don't think people would be interested in so many details in a game that's still in development)(and people who are know where to find the information) but the list of the changes keeps coming, and it's incredible. The only bad things so far are the gauges (which don't look so great) and the fact the characters waiting in the background have disappeared (that's a bit lame).
Several characters have new moves, lots of mild changes, and lots of new demo (Terry/Geese, Billy/geese (the same as in RB), Rugal/Goenitz (Rugal is crouched with his hand on his eye, then he stands up with his eye red, laughing like mad), Shermie/Brian...) . Lucky has changed completely, and while ura Joe is still lame, he has a few new moves.
I just can't wait.
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| Ikari Loona
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| "Re(5):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Sun 23 Sep 22:49
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"Raising". As it raises from the ground. The new graphics are cool. Indeed, it's back to the RB1 "surrounding" version, but it seems to cover more ground as well...
It's actually raging レイジング and not raising ライジング.
We all should know for sure since Rock Howard has both Raging Storm and Raising Tackle in Garou, and you can even clearly hear the difference in his speech. :)
His team move with Terry makes it sound like it's Rising for both moves: he starts by saying "rising", performs the rising tackle, then the victim's sent Terry's way, who uses buster wolf, I think, then rock finishes with the R***** Storm, only saying "storm" - so he just ends up saying "rising storm".
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| Iggy 8166th Post
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| "Re(10):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Mon 24 Sep 06:25
Important change : EXT 95 Kyô and Mai can't do their special air moves during a step.
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He is speaking of Yama's real bout 2 pursuit, where he used a 3 hit combo to kick of his enemy from the ground; using it was rather.... satisfactory.
Oh, Ok. Let's see...
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Apparently, Ura YAmazaki has it, and (like most of the new moves(for example, Eiji has a new move where he throws daggers in the air which uses his air frame and looks lame) it reuses existing sprites (in this case, some animations of his Drill move).
Speaking of which, the level 5 is easier to do : you just have to pump up to the level 4 and push ABC as fast as possible.
His baigaeshi  or appears to be different : it's like Anakaris's kotodama gaeshi. First time, he swallow the projectile, and the second time, he shoots it. If this is true, Athena rape is in the air. (by the way, Athena seems to have a new super projectile. Weird.)
It is extremely easy to escape normal throws now, and it includes grabs. This is going to hurt Choi, Chin and Joe... (maybe that is the reason of Chin's new super throw ?)(he may also have a new super counter. Why not)
Speaking of my chara, Shermie hasn't changed a bit (too bad, but at least she won't show her panty every 5 seconds like in 02) beside the fact the Shermie Cute won't miss when done too close to the wall.
Mature's weak Dicide (dayside? deicide?) throws the opponent in the air, so you can follow up with a heaven's gate.
Also, her MAX heaven gate appears to be like in 96.
Vice has new antiair super.
Also, several (all ?) ura characters appear to have their own BGM. Ura King seems to have the 95 female team theme, Ura Mary her RB3 theme, and Ura Yuri her diet theme, but that would be too wonderful for my little fairy heart and I refuse to believe this before I hear it with my very hears.
Keep in mind some of this information might be wrong, or is subject to change, etc.
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| kofoguz 563th Post
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| "Re(9):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Mon 24 Sep 08:00
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TreIII : Ura Yamazaki has his Drill level 5, is that the move you're talking about ? I don't know Yama very well.
World heroes gorgeus's art is gorgeus.
Unfortunately, it is not. When you watch it closely (there was a scan of it somewhere) you see it was drawn by some second rate eroge artist. Jeanne and Ryôko are just random moe females, and Hanzô looks like an average virgin 15 years old male protagonist. Such a bummer after the brilliant arts of the other compilations.
No I didnt mean the flyer/poster/cover, I meant the promo art of the characters,Jeanne , Hanzo, Rasputin, Bruce Lee guy and the viking guy. I guess they were drawn by ogura.
this one By The Way that kyo,iori, billy, athena, vice, mrbig poster is awesome.
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| TreIII
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| "Re(10):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Mon 24 Sep 09:51
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I can only hope that maybe they'll give Yamazaki his "stompy stompy" special from RB2 as well, either in his default or his EX.
TreIII : Ura Yamazaki has his Drill level 5, is that the move you're talking about ? I don't know Yama very well.
He is speaking of Yama's real bout 2 pursuit, where he used a 3 hit combo to kick of his enemy from the ground; using it was rather.... satisfactory.
Ye-up! That's the one! ^_^
And...I just realized! With this game, I can FINALLY live out my dream of having my Team "Code Black" (Mr. Big, Lucky and Heavy D)! Huzzah!
Speaking of which, I wonder how far they will go with the "special team endings" this time around. With the likes of Eiji, Kasumi, the 96 Boss Team, as well as Goenitz and Orochi added into the mix, that definitely means that we should have at least a few more special ending pics to unlock. I expect to see my "95 Antagonist Team" and "96 Women's Team" pictures, to say the least.
Two more questions: who is doing Rugal's voice this time? Is it Norio Wakamoto (a la 2002), or is it back to the original guy? Also, will the "Evil!" versions of the New Face team actually have AI patterns this time around (as in, you may be able to fight them in Arcade mode)? It just wouldn't be the same without being able to re-live my favorite "Boss Fight" from any KOF game (Vs. Evil New Face in 97).
Dokuganryu wa Date jya ne you see?
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| Toxico 4291th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Mon 24 Sep 10:20:
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Speaking of which, I wonder how far they will go with the "special team endings" this time around. With the likes of Eiji, Kasumi, the 96 Boss Team, as well as Goenitz and Orochi added into the mix, that definitely means that we should have at least a few more special ending pics to unlock. I expect to see my "95 Antagonist Team" and "96 Women's Team" pictures, to say the least.
Well since they got a drawer for the game; "worst case scenario" we should asume that there it will be an art gallery; we can only pray for them to evade a "generic universal ending" for 1p play
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Also, will the "Evil!" versions of the New Face team actually have AI patterns this time around (as in, you may be able to fight them in Arcade mode)? It just wouldn't be the same without being able to re-live my favorite "Boss Fight" from any KOF game (Vs. Evil New Face in 97).
*I think* that in the AES 98' game they had a AI patterns written for 'alter' survival mode.
In 94 re bout had "improved" AI and was "a little" more difficult than the original game. I wonder if we'll get incredible hard AI bosses and enemies, I remember that clearing this game was obscenely easy :P
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| "Re(3):Re(10):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Mon 24 Sep 10:28
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well since they got a drawer for the game; "worst case scenario" we should asume that there it will be an art gallery; we can only pray for them to evade a "generic universal ending" for 1p play
Agreed. I mean, while the programmers have a bit of work cut out for them, every body else has it rather easy. Some cute script writer could possibly write some more win quotes for the characters if they were so inclined. And the artist only has to basically "fill in the gaps" that would be alloted because of the new entrants to the cast.
Aesthetics-wise, there really isn't much excuse for them to not go as above and beyond as the programmers seemingly are doing so. I would be much more understanding if this was a new game, but they're using an established product as a basis, so I'm expecting a bit more.
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*I think* that in the AES 98' game I think they had a AI patterns written for 'alter' survival mode.
94 re bout had "improved" AI and was "a little" more difficult than the original game. I wonder if we'll get incredible hard AI bosses and enemies, I remember that clearing this game was obscenely easy :P
Well, anything that they could do, with the possibility of expanding playtime, would be welcome, in my opinion. But it would just make sense, at the least, to make it so that, if you were in arcade mode, and were on your way to being able to fight Orochi, you'd have to go through the New Faces first.
Of course, if they wanted to be complete bastards about it, and made it so you had to fight Omega Rugal, Goenitz, the Orochi New Faces AND then a suped-up Orochi as the grand finale, ALL IN A ROW, I wouldn't be at all opposed to that either. ;)
Dokuganryu wa Date jya ne you see?
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| Toxico 4291th Post
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| "Re(4):Re(10):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Mon 24 Sep 23:36
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It wouldn't be SNK if the CPU wasn't psychic. I guess someone, somewhere likes that sort of thing.
Most likely they keep doing it, because it is "old school", and is something most game companies forgotten. But we are in different times now, I don't think the now day player has enough on in them to do something like learning al the AI patterns variations and creating (usually) boring strategies to counter the enemy. In most cases, the AI was so cheap, that any kind of change to the orinal pattern meant death, it was something like "if you go out of the rule book, you taste defeat" thing.
If you ask me, they should drop these methods; but most likely is easier to make a "counter everything" AI pattern than an AI that actually seems intelligent and can put the moves to creative uses.
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| shin ramberk 308th Post
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| "Re(5):Re(10):The KOF 98UM Thread" , posted Tue 25 Sep 00:46
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It wouldn't be SNK if the CPU wasn't psychic. I guess someone, somewhere likes that sort of thing.
Most likely they keep doing it, because it is "old school", and is something most game companies forgotten. But we are in different times now, I don't think the now day player has enough on in them to do something like learning al the AI patterns variations and creating (usually) boring strategies to counter the enemy. In most cases, the AI was so cheap, that any kind of change to the orinal pattern meant death, it was something like "if you go out of the rule book, you taste defeat" thing.
If you ask me, they should drop these methods; but most likely is easier to make a "counter everything" AI pattern than an AI that actually seems intelligent and can put the moves to creative uses.
Didn't Sega put a VF a few years back that had the fighting styles of famous VF players programmed into their VF game? I think Sega also had an AI system that learned from your patterns and actively worked to counter them so you had to continually change / modify your style. I could be misremembering here.
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