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| Pollyanna 2265th Post
 
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|  "Re(5):New 2D fighter from Capcom Japan?" , posted Tue 3 Jul 10:56
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Judging by your current and past Avatars which have included obscure art by Akiman and Kazuma Kaneko, I believe you are crying out of the glimmer of hope that Capcom just might return to their glory days and make a new game of ultimate good taste. If that is correct then I fully sympathize. Until then I have Odin Sphere to keep me warm at night.
Well, I love the characters in Sengoku Basara (as well as the art), but I don't think "good taste" describes it especially well.
Although they don't make any of my favorite fighters, I don't have anything against Arc Sys, either, so I don't have any reason to believe this won't be satisfactory at the very least.
"Capcom fighter" doesn't mean anything anymore, since I'm sure all the relevant people are gone anyway (some to Arc Sys), but even if they're outsourcing, I'm hoping this will lead to some sort of revival. Still, I think the idea of "returning to the glory days" is a pipe dream at best.
(Also...I think Odin Sphere is pretty, but sloppy and overrated.)
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| Pollyanna 2267th Post
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| "Re(7):New 2D fighter from Capcom Japan?" , posted Tue 3 Jul 11:15:
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I'm surprised people here are still ignoring Battle Fantasia, which continues to seem solid and comparatively balanced. I'd plunk down for it too, if I wasn't moving so soon (and if I could actually find a place that sells a fucking X2.)
I think people are less excited about Battle Fantasia because it doesn't have sprites. I mean, it could be great, but when I saw it in motion, it LOOKED awful. So it's like...uhm...reverse graphics whoring?
I'll be excited just to see the Basara characters in 2D, and if the game ends up only being as good as Hokuto no Ken...well, that's good enough to last me a few months, which is as much as most games. I can't expect every fighting game to be a classic.
I'm not saying that to contradict anything you're saying, that's just how I feel.
Edit: Also, and this is just a general statement, it usually takes several games in a series to get it right. Not every game can be Super Turbo or 3rd Strike, and even fewer (if any) can achieve that right off. One of the most exciting ideas behind this is potential. Not only potential to launch another great fighting game series, but potential to see Capcom involved in future fighting game series, or new episodes from older ones.
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| Red Falcon 5836th Post
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| "Re(8):New 2D fighter from Capcom Japan?" , posted Tue 3 Jul 11:16:
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I'm not saying that to contradict anything you're saying, that's just how I feel.
I got ya, but have you actually seriously seen Battle Fantasia, as in clearly? It's quite nice looking. A game doesn't have to be sprite-based to be lovely (did I just say that? I'm a traitor to my own kind!)
Edit: I'll up some BF vids in a bit, uh... to... that place where people upload stuff. I'll post a link here.
Edit edit: Perhaps "lovely" was too strong a word, but "good looking" works. Then again, I like the way TRF 2 looks and people complain about it all the time; I guess I'm not particularly picky in reality. Despite all my whining about balance I also love a number of thoroughly broken fighters, like Fighter's History Dynamite. God, it's so silly you just have to love it, ha ha ha. Just had to get that off my chest. ANYWAY, vid one: both of these vids are from a recent Japanese tourney, I just happened to still have them handy as I think Donvalve and Face are both awesome. Freed is pretty cool for being essentially a Bison clone, too.
Did this work?
Face vs Ashley
One last one of much lower quality, from an earlier tournament. Looks like Coyori has the same cross-up glitch on Donvalve Jam has on Potemkin... oh, the pain of being big.
Cat girls, arrrrgh!
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| nobinobita
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| "Re(6):New 2D fighter from Capcom Japan?" , posted Tue 3 Jul 17:34
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Well, I love the characters in Sengoku Basara (as well as the art), but I don't think "good taste" describes it especially well.
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(Also...I think Odin Sphere is pretty, but sloppy and overrated.)
Haha, I guess I was just projecting then.
What I meant by "good taste" is that Capcom has a very specific feeling and attitude in their classic games. For instance, I know alot of people consider Third Strike's cast boring, but I love all those characters as much as the original SF2 cast. They weren't all just "cool" looking, they had completely different personalities that came through their art, their sprites, their animation, their movesets and gameplay style.
For instance, look at Makoto. A lesser company would have made her the obvious little girl who hits hard. But look at her body type, she's short and squat and athletic, with big hands and feet and muscular forearms. She's built like a tough asian woman... you know, like someone's mom. But somehow that makes her awesome. Also her move set is based off of the legendary Mas Oyama. But they don't throw that in your face, you just sorta figure it out if you pay attention to her move set.
I mean, Capcom's new games rock (RE4 4evrz!!! and all that), but they don't have the same amount of character as their "glory days" (SF2-3, Demons Crest etc).
Also, I don't think Odin Sphere was overrated because everyone was curiously critical of it and the internet has become more jaded and less fanboyish over the years. That's not an attack on you or anyone else on this board. I just thought it was weird that there wasn't more ... i dunno, joy? over the game.
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| Pollyanna 2267th Post
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| "Re(7):New 2D fighter from Capcom Japan?" , posted Tue 3 Jul 20:00
Red Falcon
Well, it still looks awkward and ugly to me, but after seeing it played by people who know what they're doing, I'm at least a bit more interested in the game, even if I'm not sold on the presentation.
But see, if I say it's ugly, then that puts you in a good position, because 2D fans say "it's not about the graphics", but complain when they aren't how they like them. You, on the other hand, are perfectly happy with a game that could look a lot better.
Somehow that didn't come out funny. It was supposed to be funny.
nobinobita
I have concluded from your post that we live in two completely different worlds. Excluding the posts on this board, which have been either positive or realistic, I've heard nothing but raves about Odin Sphere. I've seen magazines give it scores that it does not deserve based on nostalgia factor and its excellent presentation. It's not a bad game, but it's not really exceptional either.
Similarly, the worst thing I've ever heard about 3rd Strike is that the balance isn't as great as it could be. Of course, a lot of the characters failed to catch on, but I would find it hard to call any of them "boring", excluding perhaps Ryu. At any rate, I totally agree with what you're saying about the characters.
This reminds me of an occasional conversation that comes up, where someone will ask what the most underrated game ever is, and someone else will answer "Final Fantasy 7" based on the notion that all they hear are people bashing it. In that respect, they're right, but I guess it just depends on where you go.
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| Maou 1161th Post
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| "Re(9):New 2D fighter from Capcom Japan?" , posted Wed 4 Jul 02:49:
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If they just made the game 30 hours instead of 60, it would be 1000x more fun. But then the bullet points on the back of the box wouldn't ring true enough :(
KTallguy's on the money with this one. This is actually the story of my life for RPG's lately. Keeping things good and concise can actually improve the characterization and sense of adventure, it turns out! Whether it's Final Fantasy XII or Tales of the Abyss, both of which I've enjoyed, RPG's could be vastly improved by nixing the fetch quests and confining them to 'extras' at most.
Ironic that from the height of the 16-bit era onward, much-hated elements like fetching and level grinding were eliminated in favor of concise stories and gameplay that were 30-40 hours at most(FF VI-VIII, Lunar 2, Chrono Trigger, and Grandia II come to mind), only to have these vile things resurface in the current era in the name of longer play time.
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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