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"The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Sun 25 Jun 15:08post reply

Here're some interesting threads:

http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19515

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334&page=13 (must have srk account.)






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"Re(1):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Sun 25 Jun 22:41post reply

Parting from the base that characters don't age, you and that the KOF saga was originally a dreammatch, I think people shouldn't bother with contradictions anymore.

KOF has a different canon than the rest of the sagas, that's it.

Good think since I can enjoy of a sexy King forever, even in no time I will be seeing her fighting versus Hotaru Futaba which is... like 30~40 years younger canon-wise?






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"Re(1):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Sun 25 Jun 23:55post reply

Well, like I has said in that S-C thread.

In fact, there aren't any plot holes in the first place, if people've realized that the three stories were happened in their own continuity.

Something like you shoudn't try to merge the story of any Final Fantasy games with Kingdom Hearts series.





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"Re(2):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Mon 26 Jun 01:40post reply

I thought the whole debate died like 8 years ago. This is so pittoresque.
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Something like you shoudn't try to merge the story of any Final Fantasy games with Kingdom Hearts series.

The mere thought someone somewhere might actually want to do this (and has already written several fanfics he might refer to as cannon on various gamefaqs forums) blows my mind.





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"Re(3):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Mon 26 Jun 02:44post reply

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I thought the whole debate died like 8 years ago. This is so pittoresque.
Something like you shoudn't try to merge the story of any Final Fantasy games with Kingdom Hearts series.


In MotW, in the second intro it is clearly stated that southtown went under due to the econimcal issues after Geese's mob went under; nothing more and nothing less, that's the reason the city split in two, the rich and the poor.

Even after 2k/motw; there are even more inconsistences; like geese looking for orochi power and yamazaki being orochi; things that aren't shown in the FF games, they are a lot of more issues; but I had forgotten them with time; the only reason why people think KoF is of any relevance to the other games is because FF and AoF ceased to appear and thus ceased to 'create - continue' their own storylines.

If you think about it is funny; since Rick Strowd and Kasumi appeared in dream-matches / side story games; you could clearly state that they don't even exist in their own games continuity.







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"Re(4):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Tue 27 Jun 09:06:post reply

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In MotW, in the second intro it is clearly stated that southtown went under due to the econimcal issues after Geese's mob went under; nothing more and nothing less, that's the reason the city split in two, the rich and the poor.

Even after 2k/motw; there are even more inconsistences; like geese looking for orochi power and yamazaki being orochi; things that aren't shown in the FF games, they are a lot of more issues; but I had forgotten them with time; the only reason why people think KoF is of any relevance to the other games is because FF and AoF ceased to appear and thus ceased to 'create - continue' their own storylines.

If you think about it is funny; since Rick Strowd and Kasumi appeared in dream-matches / side story games; you could clearly state that they don't even exist in their own games continuity.



I think the problem is that KOF borrows many elements from FF and AoF to make characters from these series look consistent. People generally assume the AOF/FF/KOF timeline works like Street Fighter Zero/2/3 because it isn't always clear where facts still follow FF/AOF and when KOF really starts.

It's really funny how they wrote events that could link at each other with a couple of recaps (now I can only think about Second South appearing in Garou followed by the destruction of South Town in KOF 2000)

Then again, good for Kasumi and Xiangfei, since they 'exist', at least in the KOF timeline.





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"Re(4):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Tue 27 Jun 22:27post reply

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If you think about it is funny; since Rick Strowd and Kasumi appeared in dream-matches / side story games; you could clearly state that they don't even exist in their own games continuity.



Didn't Kasumi make her debut in AoF3?





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"Re(5):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Wed 28 Jun 00:11post reply

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If you think about it is funny; since Rick Strowd and Kasumi appeared in dream-matches / side story games; you could clearly state that they don't even exist in their own games continuity.


Didn't Kasumi make her debut in AoF3?


Yup. The way I've always seen it, the same "events" of Fatal Fury and whatnot happened in the KOF Universe, just at different times.





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"Re(5):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Wed 28 Jun 01:30post reply

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Didn't Kasumi make her debut in AoF3?



eeeerrrr... Rick Strowd and Kasumi appeared in dream-matches / side story games

The original name of AoF3 is Ryuuko no Ken Gaiden: The Art of Fighting... I think that I wrote well enough so that people wouldn't have to refute me

In My book KoFs are the same as a Robot Taisen and / or capcom vs games; KoF take into account the events of AoF & Garou games, but they modify eveything what they set fit; and when we are back to Garou and AoF everyone acts as if KoF never happened, after all the writters for AoF and Garou are different from the ones of KoF , I mean; when Mazinger storyline gets modified for SRW, no one expect that the changes will affect the original storyline.

Let's look at a better example... If I write something about Sherlock Holmes and get the license and I work in the same editorial that most conan doyles books are published; I'll write something, but I rather you shave your head rather than take what I writte as cannon for Conan Doyles books, specially since I modify and change things in the books and continuity itself.







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"Re(6):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Wed 28 Jun 06:28post reply

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eeeerrrr... Rick Strowd and Kasumi appeared in dream-matches / side story games



A side-story is a bit different from a dream match - it just means it's not as important as the main established story line, but doesn't mean its events didn't take place...

Also, RB2 is said to be canon to an extent, considering the (rather small) plot points it contains in its endings (namely those of Kim, Tung, the Jins and possibly Geese).

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In My book KoFs are the same as a Robot Taisen and / or capcom vs games; KoF take into account the events of AoF & Garou games, but they modify eveything what they set fit; and when we are back to Garou and AoF everyone acts as if KoF never happened, after all the writters for AoF and Garou are different from the ones of KoF ,



Well, Chang and Choi do appear here and there in the FF games...

The way I see it, everything that doesn't cause a direct contradiction is valid in both (dang MI...) all universes.





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"Re(1):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Thu 29 Jun 01:13post reply

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In My book KoFs are the same as a Robot Taisen and / or capcom vs games; KoF take into account the events of AoF & Garou games, but they modify eveything what they set fit; and when we are back to Garou and AoF everyone acts as if KoF never happened, after all the writters for AoF and Garou are different from the ones of KoF , I mean; when Mazinger storyline gets modified for SRW, no one expect that the changes will affect the original storyline.


My thought exactly, KOF is something that set in the world like Super Robot Taisen that characters in different time-line can meet each others (in their original games story age).



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A side-story is a bit different from a dream match - it just means it's not as important as the main established story line, but doesn't mean its events didn't take place...

Also, RB2 is said to be canon to an extent, considering the (rather small) plot points it contains in its endings (namely those of Kim, Tung, the Jins and possibly Geese).


Agreed, example is Bible Black Gaiden. (Oops!)

About RB2, here is the prolougue from "A. A. GAME HISTORY SERIES VOL.2: ALL ABOUT SNK Taisen Kakutou Games 1991-2000" that was translated by Dash no Chris @ SRK:

"With a body built as a casino show-boxer, Rick Strowd has finally become the world champ. However, knowing that these fights do not quench his heart's thirst, naturally, he resolves to set out in search of fights. Hungry wolves are waiting, in the city of madness...."




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Well, Chang and Choi do appear here and there in the FF games...


Chang&Choi only appeared in Kim's RB1 ending,

which I think that it's more or less just a cameo (like Hayete&Eagle and Kaede&Moriya in Hukutomaru's stage).





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"Re(1):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Thu 29 Jun 12:59post reply

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"Re(2):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Thu 29 Jun 18:31post reply

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Chang&Choi only appeared in Kim's RB1 ending,

which I think that it's more or less just a cameo (like Hayete&Eagle and Kaede&Moriya in Hukutomaru's stage).



Choi also appeared tied up in the Kim/Tung stage in RB2 - considernig the circumstances, it's a bit more relevant than camoes referencing characters from the previous or next century.





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"Re(3):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Thu 29 Jun 18:47:post reply

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Choi also appeared tied up in the Kim/Tung stage in RB2 - considernig the circumstances, it's a bit more relevant than camoes referencing characters from the previous or next century.


Maybe they exist in FF series, it's not contradict to any universes anyway.




Some random useless facts (which maybe you guys already know all):

http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=425735&postcount=12
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=425987&postcount=19
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=425998&postcount=40
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=426025&postcount=41
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=424369&postcount=33





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"Re(4):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Thu 29 Jun 21:17post reply

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Some random useless facts (which maybe you guys already know all):

http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=425735&postcount=12
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=425987&postcount=19
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=425998&postcount=40
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=426025&postcount=41
http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=424369&postcount=33



On the topic of Eiji's AoF2 ending, it's more or lesss widely known it doesn't actually mention Mai - I do wish that someone would bother to translate the proper japanese ending, since I sure can't read it. And the other endings that don't match, as it's said Lee's also doesn't...





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"Re(5):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Thu 29 Jun 23:53post reply

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On the topic of Eiji's AoF2 ending, it's more or lesss widely known it doesn't actually mention Mai - I do wish that someone would bother to translate the proper japanese ending, since I sure can't read it. And the other endings that don't match, as it's said Lee's also doesn't...



I think the Spanish translation was way more accurate; he speaks of how he has a life time obligation to show the superiority of his style and how he will always be alone in walking the path of the ninja and things like that.







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"Eiji's ending translation by Saiki." , posted Sun 2 Jul 12:37post reply

Here's the translation by Saiki, from a really old post @ SRK:

Kyokugenryu Karate........an art not even worthy of my time. My fists/art is superior in the heavens and earth. Anyone who will surpass men, I shall destroy them,
My path is the path of the Shura. To walk the path that I believe in .






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"Re(4):The contradictions in SNK storyline" , posted Sun 2 Jul 14:01post reply

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In MotW, in the second intro it is clearly stated that southtown went under due to the econimcal issues after Geese's mob went under; nothing more and nothing less, that's the reason the city split in two, the rich and the poor.


Just to clarify the thing up.

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