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| Iggy 6598th Post
 
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|  "SS Tenkaichi Kenkyakuden new test" , posted Sat 28 May 17:15:
LOCATION TEST REPORT
I'm conflicted now... A lot of people say the game feels great.
Aaaaaaaaw. Is it the Imoya effect ? Is Yuki doing the game after all ? I'M CONFLICTED !
CHARACTERS
So, we have
SS
Hanzô, Galford, Jubei, Ukyô, Nako, Haômaru, Charolette, Tamtam, Kyôshirô, Wanfu, Gen An, Amakusashirô Tokisada [everyone except Assquake]
SSS
Genjurô, Nicotine, Mizuki [everyone except Chamcham, Kuroko and Sieger]
Zan, Ten Samu
Rimururu, Shizumaru, Basara, Gaira, Zankurô, Sôgetsu, Kazuki [everyone]
SS0
Yoshitora, Unpi, Mina, Gedô, Rasetsumaru, Rera, Suijasama, Enjatan, Sankurô, Yumeji, Kyôgoku Hinowanokami Gaô [everyone except Poppy]
Original
Matsuribayashi Sugoroku, Andrew, Karakuri Ochamaro
That’s quite a lot of characters. 36 ? What the… eh.
There are still some unused boxes, but since some characters like Amakusa and Gaô were CPU only, we may have the count ? Maybe 1 or 2 characters left ?
Also, there is a random. And Kuroko should be there.
Ochamaro
Comes out of a box like an automat. Cute. His voice reminds Ojamaru.
He has a move that reminds of the rekkaken (follow up).
Throw ( ?) where he transform the opponent in a doll and make him dance. Extra cute.
His bukitobashi makes him wear a mask like those dances of the lion and run forward.
Extremely cute.
Nicotine
Copipe from SSS. He has a new move where he creates an image of himself, which allows to create traps with the overhead (like with Jojo’s stand).
Mizuki is also a stand user now. (or maybe a little like Chizuru ?). Her nail move changed.
Yumeji
Nearly only new moves. No more morphings. Something like Moriya’s oboro, takes a pose then issen. Her tsubame kaeshi is like Ukyô’s in SSS, with the tsubame flying. Also, it’s slower. In the CPU demo, she composes tanka poetry. New voices, but same VA.
GenAn
Not a lot of reports. He has at least the triangle jump. I think he’s also copipe-d from SSS, but I’m not sure..
Zankurô has a new crouching slash, and 2 new moves.
Gaô’s dash move (I think?) is shorter, but has a new follow up. Also, his mirror move can hit the opponent.
MODES
Like Banchô said, the full list of modes are 剣 (ken) 怒 (ikari) 真 (shin) 斬 (zan) 天 (ten) 零 (zero). One mode for each game.
真 (Shin)
The E button has all the D moves from SS0 except 6D. Big offensive power. The character pauses when his ikari gauge is full, like in the first games. The bukitobashi destroys the weapon, which takes some time to come back on screen (not as much as in SSS, but still). Doll transformation ?
斬 (Zan)
E = evasion, close 6E = that weird dance where you go in your opponent’s back.
In air, E allows you to air guard. It feels like a blocking, it’s very hard to use for now.
AB allows you to charge your gauge. Big offensive power ?
天 (Ten)
E has the same properties on the ground as Zan mode.
AB allows Samurai Combination, at least AAA, BBC and AABBCCC. THE 14 slash may still be here, but the command hasn’t been discovered yet. With the 8 slash move, half of your gauge will fill, so the full combination should fill it completely.
ABC ikari bakuhatsu, ABC issen.
Like in TenSamu, when you ikari bakuhatsu, your ikari gauge will be longer if you have fewer energy. The power of the issen depends of this as well.
零 (Rei)
E = D moves in Zero. AB = meditation. ABC = ikari bakuhatsu. DE mu no kyôchi, ABC issen. The Kyôchi time depletes even faster than in Supisupe.
The Hiôgi and mikiri slide are only for剣(ken) mode. The mikiri allows to charge your gauge for the hiôgi.
The damage has been fixed from the last time. The strong slash deplete energy like it ought to, which means A LOT.
The issen is cool, the screen turns white and the characters are only shadows like in Hibiki’s move.
There is no death, and not even blood.
For now, the last stage is one of Supisupe’s 4 bosses (random ?)
For a reason, the normal throw is harder to do than a command throw like the mozu otoshi.
.................
So... It ... is... a good game ?
I'll wait for the finished product. I think it will be horribly unbalanced with all those modes (I hate the modes in any game) but at least fun to play at a low level ?
Hum.
ねんがんの ネ申ゲーをてにいれたぞ！
[this message was edited by Iggy on Sun 29 May 23:03] |
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| Iggy 6580th Post
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| "Re(3):SS Tenkaichi Kenkyakuden new test" , posted Sat 28 May 20:15
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At the risk of looking stupid, what does copiped mean?
It's a contraction of copy&paste. Which means the sprite is the EXACT same one from SSS, with the colors and proportion that don't match the post Ten-Samu sprites.
Mizuki : Vagina dog is now an air move. Her throw is narrower. Like many other characters, she can connect a middle slash with her bukitobashi. Even with that detail, the game is less combo oriented as the first test, which is good (well, beside the samurai combination, of course).
Unpi : the shichidô has been redone, and has now more directions.
Rasetsumaru appears to be exactly the same, except the shippu retsuzan is a bit harder to follow up.
Enja is not our beloved Enjatan anymore... the tendô only takes 40% of the bar. shobon.
Also, it has a power up version of it (23698741 AB). Meh, Enja not being the weakest character of his game is not our Enjatan !
There is some speach before some fights, like in SS0, but it's not finished yet. 396 has a special dialogue with Genjurô, but Haômaru just has a basic "you seem strong ! do you want to fight with me ?" even against Genj or Nicotine.
Needless to say, the ten gauge is broken and needs severe fixing.
There are 4 remaining characters... Assquake, Chamcham, Sieger, Kuroko ? A new character ? A polysamu character ?
ねんがんの ネ申ゲーをてにいれたぞ！
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| Iggy 6583th Post
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| "Re(1):SS Tenkaichi Kenkyakuden new test" , posted Sat 28 May 21:52:
It is more and more rumoured Yuki is doing the game...
Eh. I still don't like the different modes, the art, nor the different modes. And above all the samurai combination. But mostly the different modes.
Nicotine's thunder shikigami flies at different angles according to the button you push (A = 15°, and gradually higher). The fire shikigami is like in SSS.
The bunshin new move makes the image move forward and hit 3 times, and you can move just before the second slash. The strong invocation makes the stand begin with an overhead.
In his hiôgi, he becomes young (like in his illust in SSS, with the black hair) and makes an issen.
Sugoroku's time up losing pose is just begging for sexual harassment.(;´Д｀)ﾊｧﾊｧ
Even some straight guys went ｳﾎｯ! when they first saw it.
Long story short :
Ken : turtle, evade, until your hiôgi gauge is full.
Rei : Bakuhatsu, kyôchi/issen, lots of E moves = one of the strongest.
Ten : Bakuhatsu, small issen, possibly broken because of the damage, the follow up and the gauge filling facilities of the SC.
Zan : play safe, fill your own gauge, air guard : good if you aim for a time up victory.
Shin, strong, extra invincibility when your gauge is full, weapon destruction, and a lot of E moves. No apparent weakness.
Ikari : Destructive, and the super strong slash can take away up to 80% of the gauge in one hit. Maybe the weakest mode, but at least a fun one.
I liked the zetsumei system... Not as a cheap gore device, but as a system... Bleh.
Also, I forgot Gaô and Amakusa will take a spot, so I think we have 2 unknown characters left, and not four. I think. And I think Kuroko is one of them.
Also, if Yuki is indeed doing the game, Chamcham won't be in it and I'll be happy.
Either way, I'll play it for the moe. Sugoroku's ass and Gaira's bald head moe, of course.
I would like to be convinced by the game beside the moe, but... you can't trust a hand that hit you so severely so many times.
On the other hand, Nejibako, this and KOF XI will be tested several month before the release, they seem to listen to their fans... Is Yuki really making the game ? Is Imoya really changing ? Can I trust you, oh potato spirit ? I would like to trust you so much...
ねんがんの ネ申ゲーをてにいれたぞ！
[this message was edited by Iggy on Sat 28 May 22:05] |
| Shingo The One 545th Post
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| "Re(2):SS Tenkaichi Kenkyakuden new test" , posted Sat 28 May 21:58
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It is more and more rumoured Yuki is doing the game...
Eh. I still don't like the different modes, the art, nor the different modes. And above all the samurai combination.
Nicotine's thunder shikigami flies at different angles according to the button you push (A = 15°, and gradually higher). The fire shikigami is like in SSS.
The bunshin new move makes the image move forward and hit 3 times, and you can move just before the second slash. The strong invocation makes the stand begin with an overhead.
In his hiôgi, he becomes young (like in his illust in SSS, with the black hair) and makes an issen.
Sugoroku's time up losing pose is just begging for sexual harassment.(;´Д｀)ﾊｧﾊｧ
Even some straight guys went ｳﾎｯ! when they first saw it.
Long story short :
Ken : turtle, evade, until your hiôgi gauge is full.
Rei : Bakuhatsu, kyôchi/issen, lots of E moves = one of the strongest.
Ten : Bakuhatsu, small issen, possibly broken because of the damage, the follow up and the gauge filling facilities of the SC.
Zan : play safe, fill your own gauge, air guard : good if you aim for a time up victory.
Shin, strong, extra invincibility when your gauge is full, weapon destruction, and a lot of E moves. No apparent weakness.
Ikari : Strong, and the super strong slash can take away up to 80% of the gauge in one hit. Maybe the weakest, but at least a fun mode.
I liked the zetsumei system... Not as a cheap gore device, but as a system... Bleh.
Also, I forgot Gaô and Amakusa will take a spot, so I think we have 2 unknown characters left, and not four. I think. And I think Kuroko is one of them.
Also, if Yuki is indeed doing the game, Chamcham won't be in it and I'll be happy.
Either way, I'll play it for the moe. Sugoroku's ass and Gaira's bald head moe, of course.
I would like to be convinced by the game beside the moe, but... you can't trust a hand that hit you so severely so many times.
On the other hand, Nejibako, this and KOF XI will be tested several month before the release, they seem to listen to their fans... Is Yuki really making the game ? Is Imoya really changing ? Can I trust you, oh potato spirit ? I would like to trust you so much...
Well Iggy-san, if we can trust SNK Playmore to do fantastic shit besides SS5S and KOF2003, now's their chance to prove it.
There is a difference between doing it FIRST and doing it RIGHT.
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| Stifu
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| "Re(2):SS Tenkaichi Kenkyakuden new test" , posted Sat 28 May 21:59:
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Also, I forgot Gaô and Amakusa will take a spot, so I think we have 2 unknown characters left, and not four. I think. And I think Kuroko is one of them.
No, look... There's the 28 originally announced characters (including Andrew and the others). From there, there's 14 slots left, 2 of them being question marks (roulettes), so that makes it 12 free slots left. Add the Robot, Nicotine, Gen-An, the 4 SSZS bosses and Yumeji, that's 8 characters...
Conclusion: 12 - 8 = 4
Edit: Shingo, SS5S hasn't been done by Playmore... ¬_¬
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| Shingo The One 546th Post
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| "Re(3):SS Tenkaichi Kenkyakuden new test" , posted Sat 28 May 22:17
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Also, I forgot Gaô and Amakusa will take a spot, so I think we have 2 unknown characters left, and not four. I think. And I think Kuroko is one of them.
No, look... There's the 28 originally announced characters (including Andrew and the others). From there, there's 14 slots left, 2 of them being question marks (roulettes), so that makes it 12 free slots left. Add the Robot, Nicotine, Gen-An, the 4 SSZS bosses and Yumeji, that's 8 characters...
Conclusion: 12 - 8 = 4
Edit: Shingo, SS5S hasn't been done by Playmore... ¬_¬
Oops, my bad.Thanks a lot stifu for the correction.
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| Abster
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| "Re(6):SS Tenkaichi Kenkyakuden new test" , posted Sat 28 May 22:59
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There's still hope for Cham Cham...
First, it's not sure at all that Yuki is doing the game... Second, even if Yuki is doing it, "only" 2 of them 5 don't think Cham Cham fits in SS, which means there are potentially 3 of them who may want her back.
Also, maybe they have no choice and Playmore just told them to bring everyone back...
As for blood and fatalities, it sucks they aren't back yet, but that doesn't mean they'll never been implemented... I remember SSZS loke tests where suicides were left out, but they were put back in the end.
Lets see, if 4 character slots were still left, then if logic follows putting all the SS chars in, that would mean Athquake, Cham Cham, Sieger and Kuroko would fill the remaining spaces, but there's always that possibility that SS64 chars will show up, and given that Shiki and Asura are likely candidates, it appears Cham Cham will be left out after all.
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| Iggy 6584th Post
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| "Re(6):SS Tenkaichi Kenkyakuden new test" , posted Sat 28 May 23:09:
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Second, even if Yuki is doing it, "only" 2 of them 5 don't think Cham Cham fits in SS
Wait, wait, the core team behind SS0 was of 5 person. When the development of the game went further, more people worked on it. 5 guys alone didn't do ALL SS0, just the basic plan in the beginning.
But the Chamcham hate seems to be the general opinion of the team.
And yeah, as someone points out, if Imoya had decided to get rid of Yuki, they wouldn't have made Gaira bald.
ねんがんの ネ申ゲーをてにいれたぞ！
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| Iggy 6585th Post
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| "Re(2):Arcadia scans !" , posted Sun 29 May 01:00:
No, no story, it's a matsuri game.
And because it's the matsuri, Sugoroku and Ochamaro make sense as new characters (they are matsuri-ish, plus they have a strong Edo flavour, I like it).
And so does the lack of blood (it's not the same kind of fight, as Sugoroku says, it's 喧嘩, not 死闘).
Andrew, on the other hand... Meh.
In that case, I think it may be OK if the game has the exact opposite atmosphere of Supisupe. But damn, if they could do something to the art... Or release a Tenka Special a few month later, with Supisupe's in-game artist...
Also, from Ochamaro's movelist :
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傀儡回し壱の幕 632146＋A（コマ投げ）
傀儡回し弐の幕 一の幕中にA・A・B＋C
傀儡回し参の幕 弐の幕中にC・C/A+B+C
傀儡回し四の幕 参の幕中にA・B・C・B・A+B+D
the throw where you turn the opponent into a doll is actually a chain throw like Jûzô's. And as you input the right command, you make the little dolls dance. I can't wait to try this.
ねんがんの ネ申ゲーをてにいれたぞ！
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| Shingo The One 548th Post
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| "Re(3):Arcadia scans !" , posted Sun 29 May 01:24
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No, no story, it's a matsuri game.
And because it's the matsuri, Sugoroku and Ochamaro make sense as new characters (they are matsuri-ish, plus they have a strong Edo flavour, I like it).
And so does the lack of blood (it's not the same kind of fight, as Sugoroku says, it's 喧嘩, not 死闘).
Andrew, on the other hand... Meh.
In that case, I think it may be OK if the game has the exact opposite atmosphere of Supisupe. But damn, if they could do something to the art... Or release a Tenka Special a few month later, with Supisupe's in-game artist...
Also, from Ochamaro's movelist :
傀儡回し壱の幕 632146＋A（コマ投げ）
傀儡回し弐の幕 一の幕中にA・A・B＋C
傀儡回し参の幕 弐の幕中にC・C/A+B+C
傀儡回し四の幕 参の幕中にA・B・C・B・A+B+D
the throw where you turn the opponent into a doll is actually a chain throw like Jûzô's. And as you input the right command, you make the little dolls dance. I can't wait to try this.
No story, eh?If so, then I think this franchise has nothing to offer for a story anymore.Thanks as always Iggy-san.
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| Iggy 6585th Post
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| "Sugoroku haa haa" , posted Sun 29 May 01:45
Of course Pakupaku is Tamtam. Chamcham is just too stupid to notice it.
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No story, eh?If so, then I think this franchise has nothing to offer for a story anymore.
No, because people die too much in SS.
Nako dying in SSS was a horrible mistake that plagued all following games.
In 0, they really made it even clearer the characters wouldn't return in any regular sequel (all the others SS, actually) : Yunfei dies, Yoshitora possibly dies, Suija and Enja are sealed until Polysamu 2, Mina was supposed to either die or make some Talimish tonfas out of Champuru's bones...
Hense the need of a festival where you don't care for who is alive and who is not. I really like the idea of creating new "matsuri" characters for a matsuri game. And Andrew has nothing to do here. Andrew is the antithesis of "fun" and "party".
Speaking of matsuri... Sugoroku report :
Karuta ! 214D
Sugoroku's spouse comes from behind the screen and loads his weapon (it turns red). If you move after you called her, she won't be able to load the canon.
Sometimes, their daughter (Okoma) will come instead of her mother, but the effect is the same.
After some time, the loaded weapon will explode in your hands. If you are hit while you hold the loaded weapon, Sugoroku will drop it.
But while it's loaded, you can use the "matsuribayashiko hanabi - Edo no hana" (632146D) It's a throw where you put the opponent in the canon and fire him against the other side of the screen, where he falls with lots of fireworks. Ta-maya-- !
It's the n°1 move you want to use, but it will be very easy to see what you are trying to do, and it's extremely risky since you can also drop the weapon or explode with it. But it seems very fun. Of course, when the Edo no Hana explodes, the weapon is not loaded anymore and you don't risk any explosion.
Also, the other moves can still be used while loaded, but it doesn't reset the timer of the explosion, so you have to be careful.
I hate Andrew, but I love the two others. I really think Yuki is doing them - they look like the SS0 original character, especially Yoshitora. Yoshitora and Sugoroku are from a fun Edo universe.
When has Imoya created an original or interesting character ?
My Yuki feeling grows as new reports come.
ねんがんの ネ申ゲーをてにいれたぞ！
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| Stifu
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| "Re(1):Sugoroku haa haa" , posted Sun 29 May 01:56
I don't think Yoshitora is supposed to die at the end of SS5... I just think he accepts his right to rule Japan and therefore stops fighting (his last battle being with Haohmaru), so logically, he shouldn't be in any SS game the story of which happens after SS5...
So yeah, the only way to make an SS game with a new story would mean giving up many characters, which would suck...
The new SS5 characters have been made so they're not supposed to come back afterward, to explain the fact none of them are in SS1, the next SS after SS5 storyline-wise... So, most of them die or retire... And I think Gedo is the only one that has nothing to prevent him from coming back.
The only way they could get out of this story mess would be to rewrite the story, the way Capcom did with Street Fighter, changing established elements...
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| Iggy 6586th Post
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| "Re(2):Sugoroku haa haa" , posted Sun 29 May 02:05
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I just think he accepts his right to rule Japan and therefore stops fighting (his last battle being with Haohmaru), so logically, he shouldn't be in any SS game the story of which happens after SS5...
No, because he's not the shogun during SS-SSS events. I think he beats Gaô, then he has the serious fight against Haômaru like he wanted, and, well, Haômaru wins.
I'm not sure, mind you, I should check, but if I recall correctly, that's what happens.
Speaking of rewriting the story, I still don't understand the point of making Nako and Rimu not sisters. Damn did that made people scream.
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