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| Tai-Pan
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|  "Re(1):Conspiracy?" , posted Fri 13 May 12:33
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So, anyone else see this disaster? What a waste!
They unvieled the XBox 360 by having some chick walk down some stairs and take it out of a sidebag. Then we get to see the system for all of 5 seconds! Oh boy!
Didn't see it, but I really don't care. At least we're seeing what the console will look like.
As for specs, I was curious about something. I remember that there are arguments saying that there are limits to Moore's Law (a theory saying the CPU processing power increases exponentially over time). Could there also be limits to game consoles? I mean, I remember the Dreamcast being touted as the world's first 128-bit system. Xbox and PS2 never really jumped on this. We also haven't heard whether or not the X360, PS3 or Revolution will be 256-bit systems. What does this mean? Does this mean that there is a conspiracy not to release this information? Are the PS3, X360, and Revolution merely advanced 128-bit systems? Or am I just dumb when it comes to tech things like this?
I had also thought about this before, since I love the tech stuff, and you are right, nobody is talking about the "bits" anymore..hummm
hayaku!!
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| Dr Baghead 3435th Post
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| "Re(1):Conspiracy?" , posted Fri 13 May 13:50:
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We also haven't heard whether or not the X360, PS3 or Revolution will be 256-bit systems. What does this mean? Does this mean that there is a conspiracy not to release this information? Are the PS3, X360, and Revolution merely advanced 128-bit systems? Or am I just dumb when it comes to tech things like this?
We don't hear about bits that much anymore because there's so much more to it now... well there always was (hence why SNES and Genesis, while both '16-bits' looked different) but now it's more obvious.
Since I'm retarded in techincally mumbo-jumbo I'm gonna explain like a retard (a smarter board member will hopefully tell the real story)
if you have a machine that produces 256 ackward looking unsalted potato chips a second, are you better then a machine that can only produce 128 flavored Pringels a second?
like if the CPU of a system is 128 bits but can produce the most amazing jaw dropping graphics because it's got a better polygon generator is it 'inferior' to a system with a 256 bit CPU that can't texture map or make triangles?
Plus there's some discrepencies as to how you classify 'bits'... again with the 'tatorChips. If your machine can cut, wash, and peel 300000 potatoes a second but can only cook, flavor, and stack 128 per second is your output 300000 or 128 per second?
A Dreamcast and an N64 were mostly 64-bits with like one 128-bit part. Nintendo choose to call the N64 a 64 bit system probably because N128 sounds like a science term for some new drug, but also because it wasn't really producing 128 bits. Sega called the Dreamcast 128-bits because it looks a lot nicer then the N64, it's parts were comunicating at 64-bits but it looked nicer and since Joe Average thinks bits=graphics they said "oh it's 128-bits" so people would know "oh! it's better then an N64!" the DC was basically 64-bits but looked much better because it could do more stuff then the N64 could.
... so yeah, I hope I made some sense. Mmmmmm potato chips.
EDIT: And if you're direct your attention to the next post someone smarter then me explained it so much better! YAAY!
Blanka and Dan make for a most excellent tag image (yeah still not funny)
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| CrazyMax 410th Post
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| "Re(1):XBox 360 MTV Special" , posted Sun 15 May 01:04
As it's been noted elsewhere, including PA where Gabe addressed it, the MTV special wasn't for anyone who even handles a game controller more than once a week. It was for the mainstream audience that kinda knows there are more one videogame system, just not what they are & what they do.
All you had to do is look at the crowd in attendance and you knew they were either there to be on MTV, to see the band, both, and maybe 5% wanted to see the new Xbox360, & that includes the journalists invited.
That special was addressed to the videogaming clueless right down to making sure the pro players fit stereotyped demographics, the caucasian guy, the black guy, the girl. M$ has set out to go after the mainstream, like how super hero films count on the core fan base as a given, but try to skew the film so the mr & mrs non comic book fan will want to see the film and not feel intimated or treated like a geek.
They made a concious effort to be out before Sony & Nintendo and they want to try and maximize the amount of people they can reach before Sony comes out with it's well tooled & slick hype machine. Can you blame them? They've put their eggs in a basket and taken a risk. Maybe it'll pay off.
Yeah, the special was lame. The footage was quick, but it wasn't for gamers. Gamers like you have the internet, all that footage 'coincedentally' is NOW available for your own personal viewing pleasure on a slew of websites. Gamers don't want to see footage on tv, they want to watch it on their comp, so they dissect it, tear it apart, critique it, and watch it more than once.
PD0 got all the attention since it's M$ game and there won't be a Halo game at launch. They got to throw themselves some props somewhere. I know it didn't sell the game to me, I was to busy looking at Need for Speed: Most Wanted & Ghost Recon 3.
The special was garbage even for Spike TV, but I know it wasn't for me. My only worry is that the thing came off so lame, it'll turn off potential gamers who may try the system. I'm taking the diehard xenophobic fan boys who only embrace the system they spent all the summer lawn mowing money on or that the parents got 'em for Xmas, so it must be the best system ever. That special that was basically a bad infomercial in the vein of the old 3DO one, just gives ammunition to the narrow minded, to justify why their Atari Jaquar or whatever is still the only system to own.
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| KTallguy 615th Post
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| "Re(2):XBox 360 MTV Special" , posted Sun 15 May 21:44:
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They made a concious effort to be out before Sony & Nintendo and they want to try and maximize the amount of people they can reach before Sony comes out with it's well tooled & slick hype machine. Can you blame them? They've put their eggs in a basket and taken a risk. Maybe it'll pay off.
I do admit that marketing-wise, Microsoft is very smart and savvy. They are doing a lot of dual marketing, to both the mainstream gamer (MTV), and the hardcore (ourcolony.net), and it's paying off very well. I can see Microsoft doing very well this upcoming generation. If there is a few good killer apps for the new X-box, Mr. John Fratboy will buy it. The new Madden (although it's a video, they probably don't know it), is going to look good, and most of the general population that plays games don't care as much as our demographic about new gameplay, innovation, etc. Our demographic is smaller than the mainstream, therefore our demographic is not focused on. It's business.
However, however, however...
I trust in Sony and Nintendo to deliver the most innovative and 'different', 'revolutionary' games. Why? Because of simple business. Sony and Nintendo are Japanese companies, and in general, stockholders of Japanese companies are much more 'long-term thinkers' than US company stockholders (it's changing in favor of western style, but slowly)... this means that when Microsoft's shareholders sign up, they expect results, and the board of directors expects profits, and profits now. I can almost 99% guarantee that the people on that board do not play games... or care about 'games'.
In contrast, Sony, and esp. Nintendo have the opportunity to take more risks, be more inventive, because they have more breathing room.
I don't know who will win this upcoming generation battle. X-box 360 getting out the door early is not stupid at all, and if they can sell enough hardware, then they might be able to capture a sizeable portion of the market....
but but but...
I remember lots of people selling their PS2 when the original X-box came out. Whats to say that can't happen again?
... gamemarket = hollywood = sucks ...
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| Time Mage 2126th Post
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| "Re(3):XBox 360 MTV Special" , posted Sun 15 May 21:55
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I trust in Sony and Nintendo to deliver the most innovative and 'different', 'revolutionary' games. Why? Because of simple business. Sony and Nintendo are Japanese companies, and in general, stockholders of Japanese companies are much more 'long-term thinkers' than US company stockholders (it's changing in favor of western style, but slowly)... this means that when Microsoft's shareholders sign up, they expect results, and the board of directors expects profits, and profits now. I can almost 99% guarantee that the people on that board do not play games... or care about 'games'.
I disagree: Microsoft still hasn't earned a single Dollar from the original XBox, they're still in red numbers. XBox's goal was to introduce themselves in the console's market, and they did it quite good. If that's not a long-term strategy, I don't know what is.
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| CrazyMax 411th Post
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| "Re(1):XBox 360 MTV Special" , posted Mon 16 May 04:51
I think the point is still being missed. M$ is practically admitting they don't want a head to head matchup with Sony & Nintendo. They've made it clear their priority isn't to rule the videogame domain, they mean to use the videogame console as an entry to the living rooms of the mainstream. They aren't concerned with the history of videogaming, and whether who entered the field last, first, 23rd, or whatever is the one who won the battle.
They redesigned their console with the Japanese consumer in mind, by making it smaller, with changeable faceplates to suit moods or decor. The interface of Live is even changeable, all with the eye of going after the non - gamer.
M$ wants the headstart to make inroads on the non intiated, the time they get as the 'only game in town' is all the opprotunity they want. Besides, they know hardcore gamers will probably get a Xbox360 if they can, then turn around and get a PS3 as well. Just as Sony made sure to put the PSP early to hike their quarter earnings, they also wanted to make sure it had no competition when it was released. M$ wants a nice open field of it's own. Do they care that PS3 may make the coffee cup that that the coffee it brews as well as play videogames? No.
They care that people bought a Xbox360 and didn't have to decide between choosing it and a PS3.
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