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"Shadow Hearts 2 JP question" , posted Sun 17 Apr 06:56:post reply

I finally took the time to finish SH1, so I watched the trailers of the sequel whose director's cut should arrive between my hands shortly.
And to my surprise, the whole trailer was in english.
The time ? for destruction ? has ? begun.
My question... No, I mean, my demands are simple : someone (Polly ?), tell me the japanese versions has professional japanese voice actors, please, thank you.

On a nearly unrelated subject, Minstrel Song appears more and more interesting, I can't wait.
- 4 days !
the 2ch threads are incredible. We are currently using the 106th thread, and the first post of the 102th thread is only 48 hours old. And the game hasn't been released yet.

And Tengai 3 barely made 70000 in two days, ahaha. RIP Hudson.





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"Re(1):Shadow Hearts 2 JP question" , posted Sun 17 Apr 17:21post reply

I was going to ask you if you were getting Tengai Makyou 3. It looks TERRIBLE. I mean, really REALLY bad. Maybe I'll be able to borrow it from someone to check it out. Maybe I'll

As for Shadow Hearts 2, I actually played the English one, so I have no idea. I "inherited" it when a friend died. I enjoyed the dub very much, though. It played off of the stupid plot and stupid script very well. And although I said "stupid" I mean that in a good way.





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"Re(2):Shadow Hearts 2 JP question" , posted Sun 17 Apr 18:08post reply

Thanks, I think I only have to wait and pray.

quote:
I was going to ask you if you were getting Tengai Makyou 3. It looks TERRIBLE. I mean, really REALLY bad. Maybe I'll be able to borrow it from someone to check it out.

All the negative energy concentrated on Tengai 3 and that Gundam game, so normally RS should be clear. Also, rushing a sequel to a huge game like Tengai 2 to release it before a remake from a minor series like RS says a lot on Hudson.

quote:
I "inherited" it when a friend died.
That's an.... interesting detail.
Hum.





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"Re(3):Shadow Hearts 2 JP question" , posted Sun 17 Apr 18:22post reply

quote:

All the negative energy concentrated on Tengai 3 and that Gundam game, so normally RS should be clear.



That Gundam game? Erm...do you mean One Year War? The Namco one? I thought that was really fun...

What's the word on Tengai Makyou 3? It doesn't look...funny...and that's important. I really would have loved 4 if it didn't have the worst battle system and characters I can think of.





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"Re(4):Shadow Hearts 2 JP question" , posted Sun 17 Apr 18:59post reply

quote:
What's the word on Tengai Makyou 3?


one word ?
地雷





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"Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Mon 18 Apr 22:15:post reply

The Minstrel threads are totally out of control... One new thread (1000 posts) is completed every 5 hours.
The template is extremely well done and full of extremely intriguing details on the system, you can check the RPG board and look for the most recent ミンストレル thread. The official site also has a lot of interesting stuff (check the hidden buttons in the left end corner).

I can't wait to read the complains of the nuru-FF-DQ-gamers who will began with Visual Grey, get slaughtered by some dinosaur on their first fight and scream "kusoge!", or those who will begin with magical prince Al☆bert, get abducted by a sasquatch and say "ウホッ!".

Me ? Like in the original game, I will begin with Sif. I mean, Tsuf.
~~~
         ~~~~                                           CM
          ~~~~~
      ザッ   ~~~~~~~
          ~~~~~~~~
         ⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─   ザッ
   ザッ ─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─
     /⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─⌒─
     ./⌒T 乙ヽ./⌒T 乙ヽ./⌒T 乙ヽ./⌒T 乙ヽ.   ザッ
    /⌒T./⌒T 乙ヽ─、/⌒/⌒T 乙ヽ─、T 乙ヽ─、
  ./⌒T 乙ヽ─、 =_=./⌒T 乙ヽ─、 =_=. ./⌒T 乙ヽ─、  <男はいねぇか~
  (_(⌒ヽl =_=l/~)ノヽ=(_(⌒ヽl =_=l/~)ノヽ= ,(_(⌒ヽl =_=l/~)ノ  あたしのことが好きなんでしょ坊や
     _ .)ヽ= ノ " \/⌒ヽ._..)ヽ= ノ " \/⌒ヽ.._ .)ヽ= ノ      
   /く" \/⌒ヽ )Y○)/く" \/⌒ヽ, )Y○) /く" \/⌒ヽ  
    }= (○Y○)={.:::|l|::〈...}= (○Y○)={ .:::|l|::〈...}= (○Y○)={.  
  /_/] 〉:::|l|::〈\,_ゝ/ヽ_/_/] 〉:::|l|::〈\,_ゝ/ヽ_/_/] 〉:::|l|::〈\,_ゝ 
  (,,u /ヽ/ヽ_,,ゝu)ノ/\(,,u. /ヽ/ヽ_,,ゝu)ノ/\(,,u /ヽ/ヽ_,,ゝu)ノ 
   ,,_L_,,/\-"フ_,,/  |,,_,,_L_,,/\-"フ_,,/   |,,_,,_L_,,/\-"フ  
   \_,,/  |,,_/ _ヲ  l:::::\_,,/  |,,_/ _ヲ  l:::::\_,,/  |,,_/   
    /_ヲ  l:::::ヽ.    `` /_ヲ  l:::::ヽ.    `` /_ヲ  l:::::ヽ. 
        ` - ' .          ` - ' .          ` - ' .
「バルハラントからきた」
「キャプテンホークという人を探してるんだけど、知らないかい?」
「シフっていうんだ よろしくな」


恐怖がやってくる                     ロマンシングサガミストレルソング
                                             4/21日発売
                                                                  「坊や買うんだよ・・・・・」


The old Sif has been replaced by a new character, Tsuf. Tsuf Dandag. I love her.
Also, Aishaタン = 最強のキモ萌えキャラ.
The only question left is wether the legendary scene will still be here or not. (the legendary scene : password saga)

On a semi related note, the U:Saga thread (104th thread when Romamin is around 110 without even being released) sure has an interesting template :

Q : I found the game at ○○ yens, should I buy it?
A : You shouldn't buy the game. Forget it.

Q : I bought it at ○○ yens...
A : You're not up to it. Resign.

Q : I don't understand what is fun in this game ?
A : This game is not for you. Stop now.


It's funny because it's true.





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"Re(1):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Tue 19 Apr 01:20post reply

1000??? I really do want to hear about this game when it comes out, Iggy---when I hear you speak of SaGa, I always have to balance my Iggy主義 with my intense personal hatred for SaGa Frontier, and the rift is splitting my personality in a way that only a SaGa I like can prevent!

SH2 has a goofy story? Rats, SH1 is in the mail and I remember hearing it had sort of a dark if sarcastic story. Hm....





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"Re(2):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Tue 19 Apr 01:22post reply

Saga Frontier never existed.
Period.





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"Re(3):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Tue 19 Apr 02:00post reply

quote:
Saga Frontier never existed.
Period.


Ah! If I just relegate that memory to the SaGa Apocrypha, all my crises of faith will disappear, excellent! And if I just add my love for what Hamauzu did for the recent soundtracks (which I listen to without ever playing the game), I can construct a better SaGa image in my mind, even if it's Ito again for the music this time. Minstrel Minstrel Minstrel Minstrel





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"Re(4):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Tue 19 Apr 02:19post reply

Hamauzu never existed either.
All game music ever written began with Itoken and will end up with Itoken.





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"Re(5):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Tue 19 Apr 03:48post reply

quote:
Hamauzu never existed either.
All game music ever written began with Itoken and will end up with Itoken.



"We have always been at war with our eternal enemies of Eastasia."
I see! Hmm, does Itoken's music for SaGa Frontier get expunged from the book along with the rest of the "game," since it was equally mediocre? (i.e. every track was AABAAB "ten-second melody, same ten-second melody again, short bridge, repeat")

Hamauzu, much like Tidus and Jack the Ripper, may or may not have existed originially, but their interactions with the world have brought them an existence in my mind independent of original reality. Also, Hamauzu is genius, but I can see that Itoken naturally should be composing for a SaGa remake, after all. So was he good back then?





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"Re(6):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Tue 19 Apr 05:39post reply

quote:
I see! Hmm, does Itoken's music for SaGa Frontier get expunged from the book along with the rest of the "game,"

the Saga Frontier soundtrack was a concept album, on the subject of "what if a Saga game had been made on PSone?".
quote:
since it was equally mediocre? (i.e. every track was AABAAB "ten-second melody, same ten-second melody again, short bridge, repeat")
      ブ ン ・ ・ ・ ブ ン ・ ・ ・ ブ ン ・・・ ブ ン …… 
         
       ( ((( ○--=三○ 三三 ○三==--○ ))) ) 
                 / _ _        ___________      
                ∩/__ i__ヽ     /              
                ヽ||・д・∥   < HERESY !!!!!!!!!!
                 \"|V| ゛ニi⊃  \                   
                  リ|__|:|_∥       ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄    
                  /♯♯ヽ   
                  |~|~|~|~
                  H H
                  U U

                         _ __        ____________
                        /_i__ ヽ    /             
     ○------------------⊂iニ ||д・|| |  <   Philistine !!
                      \ リ|∞/ | |    \             
                       ⊂iニ_/_ル       ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄
                         /♯♯ヽ 
                        /~/~~|~|~ 
                        |-|   \\ 
                       ⊂ )   ⊂ )


                        _ __        ____________
                       /_i__ ヽ    /             
                     ⊂iニ ||д・|| |  < I can't tolerate this !
                     i\ リ|∞/ | |    \             
                    ¦⊂iニ_/_ル       ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄
                    ¦ /♯♯ヽ 
                    ¦/~/~~|~|~ 
                     ○ |-|   \\ 
                     ⊂ )   ⊂ )
       
                 o
                 。°  グサッ!
                 ξ    _  
                   _ _〃\      / ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ 
                  / __i__ ヽ\\   <   Ah
                  |||TдT∥  ヾw   \_______
                  川||∞|゛ル          
                 |_|__|:|__L|
                 U♯ ♯U 
                 ¦~|~|~|~|~     
                 ¦ H H
                ○ U U


So, hum, yeah, you summed up Itoken's style pretty much.
You should take a look (a hear?) to the movies on Square's page (especially Battle 4). If you don't like the remix of Sheraha's theme (the boss song, against the octopus) we can pretty much conclude you are not loved by Itoken, hense by the entire RS series.
Don't worry, it's not that dramatic.
It just mean you'll never be loved and will die alone and helpless in a dark alley with last year's fashion collection on the back.





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"Re(7):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Tue 19 Apr 06:26post reply

quote:
the Saga Frontier soundtrack was a concept album


Gahahaha, and somehow the threat of total personal loss has made me want to love Itoken. That, and the music on the Romancing SaGa page sounds very good, completely unlike SaGa Frontier. I can learn to love again...





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"Re(8):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Tue 19 Apr 16:50:post reply

Oh god, the first flying get kami have started their reports. The flood is stronger than in Thailand.
メイドインへヴン!!
スレよ加速しろ!!!

Edit : warota
quote:
うぎゃあああああああああああ

小林 由美子[Aisha's VA]で検索したら顔写真がTOPに出やがったあああああああああああああああ

アイシャ使うのやめた・・



So. The boss are really strong, the normal fights are nearly as hard as those of RS2 = the game is definitely not for the light users.
神ゲキタ━━━━(゚∀゚)━━━━!!!
The hours until my copy travels around the world to my door are going to be a nightmare.





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"Re(9):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Wed 20 Apr 09:09post reply

Thread 121 ! they are insane !
This is my current state :
__ト ̄|○






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"Re(10):Minstrel song and general Saga love" , posted Wed 20 Apr 09:57post reply

quote:
Thread 121 ! they are insane !
This is my current state :
__ト ̄|○



121??! The Saga of SaGa is out of control! Iggy-shugi or not, I may be forced into playing Minstrel through the sheer presence of will in Japan! ...well, and I always did want to see a good SaGa.





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"Re(2):Re(10):Minstrel song and general Saga l" , posted Wed 20 Apr 10:17post reply

quote:
...well, and I always did want to see a good SaGa.



Well, you've always got Romancing Saga 2 I guess?
Besides, "good" and "what SaGa fans like" are not necessarily the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say the game looks bad. I'm pretty interested in it, myself...but SaGa games are just -weird- as are many of the people who like them.





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"Re(3):Re(10):Minstrel song and general Saga l" , posted Wed 20 Apr 12:23post reply

Yeah, I guess the second Romancing SaGa is the one I've actually heard sane people defend as a good game, and Iggy too. I've seen all of fifteen seconds of the game when I briefly watched RTF's (Sega Fantasy) console spoof of the ending. SaGa3 seems to have gotten a mixed review, and then there are those...Sony ones...
In between Iggy and the 1000 Japanese threads, and threats to my life, it's hard not to get excited for Ministrel, though, I have to admit.





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"Re(3):Re(10):Minstrel song and general Saga l" , posted Wed 20 Apr 17:42post reply

123rd thread !
The anti DO arrive and say "it sucks, I began by Grey and got killed by the dinosaurs, how do I kill them, this game sucks, awful balance, a game for masochistic people like Megaten 3, etc". It's so funny.
quote:
Besides, "good" and "what SaGa fans like" are not necessarily the same thing.

I think RS2 is the best of the series. But it's still a Saga, which means really hard, and a free scenario system. The Saga series is a world of its own, with its own rules and all. Maybe RS3 would be better as an introduction to Minstrel since it's a copy of RS1 by part of the FF6 team. And it's easier.
I find ironical how I'm all excited by this Minstrel, when I disliked RS1 so much (dislike for a RS game). Eh.

Also, it's only a matter of time before the "zenmetsu" of Minstrel becomes a joke like patotta, and gets its own AA.

So, hum, I wouldn't tell someone to play Minstrel if the person hasn't already an idea of what he's going to play. Once you've got used to FF and DQ, Saga is so fundamentally different that the first move of many people is to reject it totally and call the game crap.
Which is a spectacle Saga fans absolutely love to point at and laugh.





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"Re(4):Re(10):Minstrel song and general Saga l" , posted Wed 20 Apr 18:19:post reply

I usually play SaGa games and enjoy myself for a while before saying "Who am I kidding? I just don't get it. I'm having fun...but I don't get it."

Ahhhh...but the opening song to Minstrel Song is SOOO cool. It's gotta be the most beautiful opening ever.

EDIT: Wahahahaaaaa...I hadn't bothered downloading the "legendary scene" video before now. Wow...that was amazing. That's real drama.





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"Re(5):Re(10):Minstrel song and general Saga l" , posted Wed 20 Apr 19:01:post reply

The legendary scene seems to be there,
On the other hand, the "don't look at me!" scene with Aisha is gone.

Thread 124 !

EDIT : Thread 126 !

Oh, and now I think of it RS2 isn't that hard when you use Quick Time or Rapid Stream. It's even a breeze.





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"Re(6):Re(10):Minstrel song and general Saga l" , posted Wed 20 Apr 22:57post reply

Thread 127.
ARIENAI.

Claudia : the bear and the wolf are good guys, but she's a real bitch.
Aisha : weird voice, weak, but her way of walking is萌えwウマー.
Grey : ugly, but his katana is too cool for words.
Hawk : weird head, but his partner from the start is of divine quality.
Jamilla : he moves like a pervert, and he dresses as a girl.
Al☆bert : the abduction scene is funny as hell.
Sif :ウホッ!
Barbara : she... has a car?





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"Re(7):Re(10):Minstrel song and general Saga l" , posted Thu 21 Apr 01:42:post reply

quote:

Barbara : she... has a car?


She had a wagon in the original. It was better than walking, even if you could only take it as far as Estameel.

Oh, and question. What weapon types are available?

I know the original had 剣, 大剣, 斧, 小剣, 槍, 弓, 体術 and mace (as opposed to the later hammers/clubs) waza types along with the Holy Grail and the Mage Staff, so is it basically the same idea only with maybe more weapons (i.e. more than just four or so per type?) or is it too early to know?





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"Re(8):Re(10):Minstrel song and general Saga l" , posted Thu 21 Apr 02:51:post reply

Yeah, I mean, that's all she has.
It's not a car, it's those things with two horses that have the carriage behind them. You can't be attacked when you have this, while Aisha can be attacked on her horse.

The list of weapons has disappeared from the template, but there was many, many weapons. The game also has over 300 attacks.


If I'm not mistaken, since monday, we are at about 5000 posts by day, and I'm not counting the kôryaku threads or the anti threads.

EDIT : OMG
The commercials have been put on the official site. Check the ■e logo in the mozaic commercials.






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"The horror" , posted Thu 21 Apr 17:28:post reply

If you leave inside a 5000 miles circle around Paris, you may have been awaken by a scream of despair and hate. It was me who found out PlayAsia had Minstrel Song, but lost TRF and will not send my package for a few more days. If I don't post for a few days, check under the trains in the nearest metro station.

Thread 133, and multiplication of the subthreads ! When will it stop ?

Edit : THE PAIN ! THE PAIN !





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"ellegy" , posted Sat 23 Apr 18:34post reply

The sorrow, the delusion, and Moetan's green underwear so far away. It hurts a lot.
All the 14th century in the world won't be enough to heal my wounds.

Also, Chaz, take your time to send me your stupid phone number, but remember to do it before monday.





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"Iggy's SaGa" , posted Mon 25 Apr 11:14post reply

Looks like Iggy's one of the 150,000 or so who have already bought Minstrel, according to RPGFan and Name No Nai Heya. ...and now I want to hear how it is! Play, man, play!

For the record, this is the best Shadow Hearts thread not about Shadow Hearts, ever.





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"Re(1):Iggy's SaGa" , posted Mon 25 Apr 13:53post reply

I am constantly in this...interesting situation where people say "I want Iggy to tell me this" and I'm perfectly capable of telling them as well. But I think..."Do I have any RIGHT to tell someone anything? After all, I'm not Iggy."





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"Re(2):Iggy's SaGa" , posted Mon 25 Apr 14:10post reply

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I am constantly in this...interesting situation where people say "I want Iggy to tell me this" and I'm perfectly capable of telling them as well. But I think..."Do I have any RIGHT to tell someone anything? After all, I'm not Iggy."


Well, do you have Minstrel Song? I'd like to hear your reactions and such if you do.





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"Re(3):Iggy's SaGa" , posted Mon 25 Apr 15:48post reply

Ah, yeah...I have the game. I'm not sure if my opinion is more or less valid because I'm not a SaGa freak.

I mean, I like the game a lot, but I can't recommend it to someone because it still has unbalanced scenarios, "freedom" which amounts to a feeling of "everything is pointless", system upon system upon system (for better or worse) and limited plot and character development. For people who have only played SaGa Frontier and hated it, I can't really recommend this game.

But in my case, I don't mind the lack of character development as long as the characters look awesome (and they do) and I don't mind the frequent lack of purpose as long as the battle system is awesome (and it is).

The game looks ugly, often animates awkwardly and has the worst camera problem I've ever experienced. You spend a lot of time doing nothing at all and sometimes wonder if you're supposed to do anything.

I expected all of this, and despite the "problems" I find the game horribly addictive. After a while, it doesn't matter what you're doing as long as you're having fun doing it. With all the (sometimes convoluted) systems, there's always something to do and with some of the challenging fights, you may spend a long time doing it.

I have to be able to laugh at the game to enjoy it, but I still like it a lot. I haven't had a ton of time to play it, because I got a very rushed assignment to finish and I also got Demento, which I've been enjoying for no particular reason. I wanted to start a topic on it, but I don't have the time or energy.

Oh...yeah...and the music, as Iggy had anticipated (and the webpage indicated), in Minstrel Song is quite excellent. I'm Sure Iggy will have a completely different analysis full of things that nobody can understand.





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"Polly's SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 01:37:post reply

But of course! I just figured I should be asking Iggy because he singlehandedly helped turn this thread into a SaGa thread. Also, he's the only person I know who really, genuinely seems to LIKE SaGa so I figured that only he would comment. But I definitely want to hear everyone's thoughts who's playing!

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. For people who have only played SaGa Frontier and hated it, I can't really recommend this game.



Uh oh. In actuality, Frontier's complete lack of story/a point wouldn't have been so bad if the detestable 2-frames-of-animation-graphics and lame music weren't compounded by a battle system where you randomly learned moves when two fighters' techniques randomly stuck together. Gah. But if this one is at least prettier, with good music, will I be able to like it? How's the system feel after a few hours? I normally like story-heavy RPG's, but if I could like a gameplay-centered game like EstpolisII/LufiaII or Fuurai No Shiren (Fushigi No Dungeon 2), I could like Minstrel, if the gameplay is actually fun this time around.





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"Re(1):Polly's SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 03:55post reply

quote:

Uh oh. In actuality, Frontier's complete lack of story/a point wouldn't have been so bad if the detestable 2-frames-of-animation-graphics and lame music weren't compounded by a battle system where you randomly learned moves when two fighters' techniques randomly stuck together. Gah. But if this one is at least prettier, with good music, will I be able to like it? How's the system feel after a few hours?



I don't really think the game is any prettier than SaGa Frontier and a lot of the animation in the fights is still jerky or awkward looking. The battle system is very similar as well, in terms of learning/performing moves. There are a lot of other systems that flesh it out more, though. It's not that the game is just like SaGa Frontier. It's not...but for someone who hated Frontier...it's not different enough.

I've only played the game for about...ehhh...5 hours, so things might feel different later. I like the game a lot, but...that does't mean I recommend it.





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"Shut up you." , posted Tue 26 Apr 06:33:post reply

All of you.
Oh well.
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DON'T JUDGE ME!!!
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Yeah, I'm that weak.


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So : just to be sure everyone understands me, after the gorgeous opening, I was nearly crying before the title music began. Not because of the opening, not because of the title : just because of the sheer tension of those 2 seconds of silence between the opening and the title, when you know you're going to hear some new Itoken tune for the first time in year, and it's going to be the theme of RomaSaga. They are my favourite 2 seconds of silence in the world.

So, now you're aware of what kind of person is saying what follows :
Romamin is the best game that was ever released on PS2. This is what a remake is supposed to be. Sega : look and take notes : if you're not willing to do anything close to this, stop NOW.

No, let me rephrase it : Romamin is the best game ever released since RS3.

I'm not a Saga freak, I'm a RS freak, so this game is the messiah to me. strangely, it's RS1, the weakest RS, plus U:Saga, which is... U:Saga, and for a reason, the mix of those two highly dangerous chemicals gave birth to pure bliss. It's like a yaya busu girl that you like even though she's ugly, and she suddenly becomes beautiful. RS1 and U:Saga were ugly little ducks, and they've grown up to become the most beautiful swan that existed.

So, yeah, it has Frontier elements, but they were in U:Saga, so I'll continue to pretend Frontier never existed.
The game is exactly what RS is all about, and it is : a MMORPG without the online and multiplayer part. Which leaves two things : a huge freedom to travel and enjoy absolutely any of the gorgeous places of the game, and a huge freedom for the customization of your team. The game gives you a few scenario elements for the first hour, so you know who you are playing, and then, it's up to you. it's a game where you play the role of a character, and you adapt it to your mood and the places you visit. There's no need for more scenario than those 3 sequences at the beginning : that's what a free scenario game is all about. You're not the character following a scenario, you're the character making it.

The loss of one party member is not that terrible, and with all the new things you can do with the characters, you would never have had enough money anyways (you already don't have enough).
The graphisms are nice. I stopped finding the designs uglys ages ago, and even Alu☆beru is tolerable after a few hours of game. I wonder what Garahage will look like, though.
The grounds are beautiful, and wide. They are a pleasure to explore, and you can just walk there to look for treasures and precious stones and herbs. MMORPG didn't existed in the SFC days, but they are extremely close to RS. It's a MMORPG for sociopath : I never played a MMORPG because the levelup was too slow, and because I didn't want stupid assholes ruining my pleasure with their l33t skills and languages. Romamin offers what many MMORPG say they offer and very few do : the pleasure to travel through huge worlds, and tons of level ups after every fight. If you're receptive enough, Romamin will indeed suck you up in a world immersive enough to allow you to do whatever you want, and without the 12 years old AOLers to remind you "this is just a game".
This is indeed just a game. But not a game about numbers that go up. You're happy when your characters get more love and seduction at the end of a fight, but it's more than that. MMORPG, like the DQs and other games, are "just videogames". Romamin is "just a game". And it's quite different, and so much more valuable.

Polly is being a horrible person because he wishes he had boobs as monstruous as the Demento slut, but no, the graphisms are far from ugly, and the animations don't have the slightest problem. The camera is not perfect, but you quickly learn to deal with it, like with everything in a Saga game.

My biggest concern is that the game might be too easy after you've mastered the different systems. Having myself a reasonably big level of RS1 knowledge and U:Saga knowledge, I was already feeling at home after 6 hours of game (well, I guess, I'll still be learning a lot of things when the Ultimania will be out, but still). I died 4 times in the two first hours, but I haven't died in the last two hours (I'm at 8 now). We'll see when I'll fight the 4 heavenly kings, Jeraha, Death and Saruin.
Also, I knew what I was doing, and I began with my beloved Sif, so it might explain my feeling. If the feeling persists, I'll try with Aisha on my second run, we'll see.

Of course, I'm saying "easy" in a "easy like RS2 when you know the game by heart" meaning. Which means I've been close to death more than once, and that's why I can't stop loving RS. That difficulty, the rush you feel when a character hirameki-s a new devastating move during a boss fight when everything seems lost, and delivers the final blow with it; or when the boss is too strong, and you die, losing the new move and you mourn and swear you'll have your revenge, that's the roman, that's the Saga..
The game is definitely not for those who find Megaten difficult. Megaten's difficulty is cheap, beacuse it is based on random luck. You didn't protected your hero against that particular spell, too bad for you. Romamin, like all the RS game, is simply hard, without small tricks. It's a raw game, that fucks you more violently than anyone ever did; if you have your lube with you, you will ask more over and over until you collapse, and if you don't, you will call an ambulance because your ass is bleeding.
There is no bad luck involved in the numerous zenmetsu you'll get in the game : you deserve your death, because you weren't careful enough. Once you're being careful and know what to spend you money and gems on, everything is alright. I don't know what it will give for someone who doesn't know RS1 and U:Saga, on the other hand, and frankly : I don't care.

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complete lack of story/a point
battle system where you randomly learned moves
I normally like story-heavy RPG's

Go play FFX. This game is not for people like you.

I wouldn't recommand the game to anyone. The game is a Saga. Nobody is allowed to choose a Saga game : the game chooses you or it does not. This is a sovietic game. It's a game that orders : "PLAY!" and you're already dreaming.

Also, if Saruin's battle song is indeed what I heard a few days ago, I know I'm going to cry everytime I fight him.

I hate Pollyanna even more now, because I just prooved him right.
meh.

Conclusion : so, I'm poor, but I'm going to cancel everything I was supposed to buy in the next 2 month, including food (beside Vampire Collection, but I'm not even sure of it) and buy a HDD instead. The loadings are not terrible, but if I burn hundreds of hours on this, I'll definitely need it. NxC, various DVDs and books, go to hell, I don't need games when I have this Game.





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"Saga of SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 06:57:post reply

Ah, it's Iggy! 暗黒のサガ狂信支援者、参上!
Hearing this game described as an offline MMORPG is the most exciting thing I've ever heard about SaGa! Well, that and infinite zenmetsu beatings. I admit that getting abused by real difficulty was one of the few enjoyable things about SaGa Frontier.

I think the game looks pretty on the main page so I have no graphical complaints, and this is the second (and best) Itoken I've ever heard in preview.
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go play FFX

Hooo, SaGa fans' prideful, haughty, abrasive love of their franchise tempts me. SaGa Frontier sounded brilliant in concept and chose me, and I played it twice before it ultimately failed me, but I want to be chosen again, this time by a worthy game. This may fit the bill.

Besides, I told you that when the RPG system is just that good, I DO play RPG's without stories. Unless Shiren had some huge plot development involving the philosophical meaning of being a Fuurai vagabond and Estpolis expanded on the phychological liberation achieved through proper grappling hook use. Which they didn't. In other words, I can take it. Tell me more~

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"Re(1):Saga of SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 07:02post reply

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"Re(2):Saga of SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 07:18post reply

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ヌルゲーマー発見!
You have no idea of what you're going to face.



否!
By that I mean I finished it twice, with two different guys. I know the demons I face...

I also hear there might be some sidequests that only appear depending on the number of battles (??) you fight? This sounds more and more excitingly like the offline online RPG you describe.





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"Re(3):Saga of SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 07:22post reply

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By that I mean I finished it twice, with two different guys. I know the demons I face...

I know. I finished each of the seven characters, and some twice, before I decided the game didn't exist actually. It loved me, but I did not.

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I also hear there might be some sidequests that only appear depending on the number of battles (??) you fight?
I'm not sure yet, but that was the basics of RS1.
Also, you know, the game is in japanese. Real japanese. It's not because there is no character development that there is no text. I even find the game a little too much explicative. It's the opposite of U:Saga; I liked U's toughness. Oh well.





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"Re(4):Saga of SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 07:46post reply

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Also, you know, the game is in japanese. Real japanese. It's not because there is no character development that there is no text. I even find the game a little too much explicative.


What do you mean? I kind of expect my Japanese RPG's to be in Japanese, my English RPG's in English, etc. Do you mean that Minstrel explains what to do/where to go too much for your liking, or that the characters have started talking too much maybe? I think random events sound kind of exciting, meanwhile.





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"Re(5):Saga of SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 13:54post reply

Which "Demento Slut?" Fiona or Daniella? If it's Daniella (who has the bigger breasts anyway) then yes. I want to be like Daniella in every way, because she's the coolest game character ever.

Anyway, Iggy, you're just going to hate me no matter how I feel. If I said I hated the game, then you could maintain your elitist superiority and mock me for "not being chosen", but since I like it I'm a threat to your individuality. (like: "What? A piece of trash like that can't possibly appreciate the greatness of this game!")

I still think the characters are gross-looking and the animation is choppy. Some of the moves the characters do have good design, though. When someone complains about the choppiness in SaGa Frontier I feel obligated to mention that the animation in Minstrel Song isn't very fluid. It doesn't bother me much...well...excluding Jamil's run.

The backgrounds and many of the enemies look great, though...and graphics aren't everything. The camera I cannot forgive, though. Someone or something can be half an inch to my left and I'll be totally unable to see them. It's preposterous and there's no reason (that I can tell) why you shouldn't have some tiny degree of rotational control. It doesn't ruin the game, but it's a stupid mistake to have in a good game.

The other complaints are not problems that -I- have with the game, because if I had those problems, I wouldn't like the game. However, they are VERY IMPORTANT WARNING SIGNS to anyone considering getting the game.





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"Re(6):Saga of SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 13:59post reply

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Anyway, Iggy, you're just going to hate me no matter how I feel. If I said I hated the game, then you could maintain your elitist superiority and mock me for "not being chosen", but since I like it I'm a threat to your individuality. (like: "What? A piece of trash like that can't possibly appreciate the greatness of this game!")



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"Re(7):Saga of SaGa" , posted Tue 26 Apr 14:03post reply

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Ladies. Let's remember that even if not everyone likes Minstrel Song that we're still united in our like for other games people hate.



I think the exact opposite is the problem. Since I DO like Minstrel Song, now Iggy is forced to be associated with me in another way.





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"Re(1):Shut up you." , posted Tue 26 Apr 17:25post reply

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: a MMORPG without the online and multiplayer part.



There is one game exactly on the PC which was this, and that was Inner Space (1992), and it is one of the greatest games ever made. In fact, there were a few other games of that style... and they were all for PC-like platforms, way back in the day.

It's actually interesting how far back this idea goes in PC/Amiga/whatever-the-hell-ZOMG-occidental-non-dedicated-gaming computer games.

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it's up to you. it's a game where you play the role of a character, and you adapt it to your mood



This is the reason why X-COM and Ultima VII are two of the greatest games ever made. Oh wait, Inner Space is in that category, too. Goddamn, I'm a broken record.
Well, Iggy has his RS, and I have my DOS games.

In fact, aside from a few small screens of text, there is no story in X-COM. However, the tales and drama that emerge from the escapades of the randomly generated and randomly named soldiers through their battles and the events of your global campaign are memorable beyond all. I will never forget the extremely talented rookie who enlisted late in the campaign, became one of my most formidable soldiers, but had a single hidden weakness: the psychic stat (not normally visible). And so, in the final battle, my longtime sharpshooter who guarded this rookie through the campaign was forced to kill her when the aliens took control of her mind. I loaded and loaded and kept trying to find a way to save her, but I couldn't. Nor can I forget the captain who would only participate in one mission a month, because he would absorb attacks that we swear he had a statistical probability of close to 0.0% of surviving, and kill a ton of aliens, and then would end up in the hospital for a month. Yet every month, he would come back stronger than ever, and perform yet another impossible feat of bravery.

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The game is definitely not for those who find Megaten difficult. Megaten's difficulty is cheap, beacuse it is based on random luck. You didn't protected your hero against that particular spell, too bad for you. Romamin, like all the RS game, is simply hard, without small tricks.


That sounds really good to me.
However, is the game predicated on having you fight an endless number of these battles at a very frequent rate? Do you have the option of simply walking around enemies in your travels so that they don't interrupt your exploration?





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"Re(2):Shut up you." , posted Tue 26 Apr 19:55:post reply

Polly : of course I would have hated you no matter what. It's like when two person arrive at a party with the exact same dress.
DRAMA !

Also, I was talking of the heroin of Demento... I find the size of her boobs compared to her body totally gross. There's no way she can walk with this unbalanced body. That, and the size of her skirt.
But the game is good, then? I was interested by the interactions with the dogs, but the design of the heroin really threw me off (that, and RS being released the same day).

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However, is the game predicated on having you fight an endless number of these battles at a very frequent rate?

Quite the contrary. The RS series makes the time flow by counting the number of encounters, and the more fight you make, the stronger the ennemies become, so you must be careful when you enter a dungeon.
However, RS1 is even more strict with this, because the ennemies go stronger WAY faster than in the other games. Also, as the time goes (the fights go) some events are triggered, and some others end (if you take too much time to save a village, the village will be destroyed). In the SFC game and, I guess, in this game as well, there were 3 periods, and most events were specific to one or two of these; if you fight too much, you won't necessarely be stronger (because you create moves when you fight strong ennemies, and when you're in a desperate situation) and you will miss the events of the first two periods.
That's the reason why the monsters are visible on the map, and why there are no random encounters : running through a field in a RS game is like running through a room full of zombies in Bio Hazard.

Also, I take back my fear of the game becoming too easy; even with the holy grail, the vampire nearly killed me, and the power demon who I encountered twice already can kill any of my characters in one move. I think I even got two zenmetsu in the last hour or so.
Damn, I love this game.

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"Re(3):Shut up you." , posted Tue 26 Apr 20:08post reply

Yeah, Fiona's breasts are really...the wrong size. They don't fit on her and they stick out too much. I don't mind sexy designs, but when they look so forced it bugs me a bit. I like her costume and her face, though. She has the best in-game render I can think of.

But Demento isn't good, it's just enjoyable. It looks very nice and the direction is good and Daniella is the best thing in the world ever.

You can't really do much with Hewie, though. You can kick him if you hate him, scold him for no reason and compliment him for no reason as well. Once I shook with him and that was cute. The only thing you need him for is pressing the "solve the dog puzzle button" to solve the dog puzzles. In battle, if you can get the enemy between you and Hewie (with you in the front) then you've got a guaranteed victory as long as Fiona doesn't freak out. I have noticed that he's become more reliable as the game has progressed. Also, his bark noise is very fake.

The battles are stupid, especially since it takes a lot to beat up an enemy and they're only down for a few seconds as a result. Still, I LOVE fighting in the game simply because Fiona attacks by kicking enemies in the shins. It's just too much fun to have Debilitas screaming because he's got a dog on him while I'm repeatedly kicking his shins.

But I mean, the game is just one uninteresting puzzle after another in a pretty place. The plot is nothing, the music is lame and in the end, the enemies just stop you from solving your puzzles that aren't any fun anyway. It's not a BAD game, though...it's just a pretty game that doesn't have anything especially good about it. So if someone says "Is Demento a good game?" I have to say "No. It's a pretty game that can be enjoyable." It's definitely not bad, though...and people who say it is either had unrealistic expectations for it or don't know what a bad game really is.





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"Re(3):Shut up you." , posted Tue 26 Apr 22:21post reply

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I find the size of her boobs compared to her body totally gross.


I know this won't happen before the Minstrel Song DVD melts and evaporates inside your PS2 after 72,000 consecutive hours of furious spinnings, but when you try The Rumble Fish, check out Garnet's sprite. It's... indécent.





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"Re(4):Shut up you." , posted Tue 26 Apr 23:56post reply

Anyone know is Romancing Saga is coming stateside?





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"Re(4):Shut up you." , posted Wed 27 Apr 00:07post reply

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Also, I was talking of the heroin of Demento... I find the size of her boobs compared to her body totally gross. There's no way she can walk with this unbalanced body.


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Yeah, Fiona's breasts are really...the wrong size. They don't fit on her and they stick out too much. I don't mind sexy designs, but when they look so forced it bugs me a bit. I like her costume and her face, though. She has the best in-game render I can think of.


I have to disagree. I think the fact that she's extra-buxom but doesn't have the face and demeanor of a sexpot makes the design interesting. To me it's an eyecatching, skillfully done render.

And hey, she isn't exactly rail thin or anything. It may be an unlikely body type, but top-heavy gals certainly do exist in real life. Certainly not something I find offensive.





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"Re(4):Shut up you." , posted Wed 27 Apr 00:23post reply

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I know this won't happen before the Minstrel Song DVD melts and evaporates inside your PS2 after 72,000 consecutive hours of furious spinnings, but when you try The Rumble Fish, check out Garnet's sprite. It's... indécent.

You know what ? I might very well do it. To preserve the lifespan of the game and the console, I force myself to stop the PS2 every 5 hours.

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It's on PS2 as well, right?





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"Re(4):Dementooo" , posted Wed 27 Apr 00:35post reply

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It's... indécent.


Hahahah, and to investigate these criticisms about Demento, I checked the Japanese screenshot section...where they seem to be very happy about their screenshot slideshows labelled "!!!". Hmmmm.





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"Re(4):Shut up you." , posted Wed 27 Apr 05:17post reply

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Rumble Fish, check out Garnet's sprite.



Her enormous knockers don't look obscene, they just look silly.

However, you should instead spend your time tearing off the clothes of Sheryl.





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Spoon : we don't speak the same language, but our heart is the same! Let's unite in the love of non MMO MMORPG !


I wanted to post that picture of the Ietate guys doing the armlock in order to express our brotherly kinship.

But then I remembered just how GAY that was.





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"Re(5):Shut up you." , posted Wed 27 Apr 05:22post reply

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I have to disagree. I think the fact that she's extra-buxom but doesn't have the face and demeanor of a sexpot makes the design interesting. To me it's an eyecatching, skillfully done render.

And hey, she isn't exactly rail thin or anything. It may be an unlikely body type, but top-heavy gals certainly do exist in real life. Certainly not something I find offensive.



I see where you're coming from and I agree with you on all points but one. I love Fiona's design (and non-offensive) and her render is great, but I still think her breasts don't look right. They come out too much in addition to being large. I don't have a problem with characters with big breasts or sexy characters or whatever. Ah...OK, let me rephrase my complaint. I won't say "Fiona's breasts are too big" I'll say "it looks like Fiona has prosthetic breasts or implants". I know it's not just me, because a lot of people comment on this. Her breasts don't look NATURAL.





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Spoon : we don't speak the same language, but our heart is the same! Let's unite in the love of non MMO MMORPG !



BETRAYAL!
And right after I bought my tickets to europe!!

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"Re(4):Shut up you." , posted Wed 27 Apr 05:34post reply

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and Daniella is the best thing in the world ever.




She's a bit anorexic looking (as in moreso than the average supermodel video game girl)... kinda like CvS King. But that means that she's still cool.





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"Re(5):Shut up you." , posted Wed 27 Apr 05:41post reply

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She's a bit anorexic looking (as in moreso than the average supermodel video game girl)... kinda like CvS King. But that means that she's still cool.



Yeah, Daniella's proportions are way off, but she said that she was made to be the perfect woman. Her voice actress, lines and animations are soooooo great, though. ESPECIALLY the laugh she does when you die.





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"Re(4):Glory" , posted Wed 27 Apr 08:25post reply

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I wanted to post that picture of the Ietate guys


Spoon, I'd gladly post Ietate because I too feel the bond of kinship...I'd completely forgotten to bring up the fun of classic PC RPG's, which have the real role-playing element that Minstrel also apparently has. The American series Quest for Glory was indeed glorious like it implied, what with its deep, atmospheric, and sometimes humorous/sometimes creepy world to explore. I remember thinking its scenario progression was just perfect in that you had some vague plan (defeat the Brigands, etc.) but that only by dealing with certain people and exploring the unknown could you find your way and develop a plan. Exploration with a goal, but with sooo much variety. Just great.

Meanwhile, as a friend and colleague (?) I assert my full support for Fiona's breasts, their character, their political record, their ethics and integrity, and their commitment to a stronger nation. Er.





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"Digital breast discussion" , posted Wed 27 Apr 09:11post reply

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I have to disagree. I think the fact that she's extra-buxom but doesn't have the face and demeanor of a sexpot makes the design interesting. To me it's an eyecatching, skillfully done render.

And hey, she isn't exactly rail thin or anything. It may be an unlikely body type, but top-heavy gals certainly do exist in real life. Certainly not something I find offensive.


I see where you're coming from and I agree with you on all points but one. I love Fiona's design (and non-offensive) and her render is great, but I still think her breasts don't look right. They come out too much in addition to being large. I don't have a problem with characters with big breasts or sexy characters or whatever. Ah...OK, let me rephrase my complaint. I won't say "Fiona's breasts are too big" I'll say "it looks like Fiona has prosthetic breasts or implants". I know it's not just me, because a lot of people comment on this. Her breasts don't look NATURAL.



Ah, I understand what you're saying. The breasts are the weak link in regard to the overall realism of the 3D model.

I still really dig the character design... and I suppose I'm just used to slightly 'gamey' looking characters, but you're right, the boobs don't quite match.

It might be less obvious if Fiona had less obvious proportions, or if she were more stylized, but I don't think anyone has really perfected 'natural' looking boobs on an in-game character model. Like facial expression, this is a lot more complicated than making a realistic looking hand or kicking animation.





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"Re(1):THE HORROR" , posted Wed 27 Apr 21:08post reply

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...teehee

I don't know when you'l be coming, but the hidden cameras around Moetan's bed were installed a few days ago when everyone where sleeping.
You know... for your... security, so nobody tries to kill you while you sleep, you know. Security purpose.

As for TRF, Garnet's breasts make me think of Al Parker's balls.
And Orville sama is a character that has been created for me.... as long as he keeps these glasses on. KEEP THOSE GLASSES ON!


My Romancing moment of the day : I was sucked in a maelstrom of events (that means : 3 different events) that involved a city that was destroyed before I could even see it before the volcano exploded, then I got rid of Myriam and took Geraha to follow one event, but then I had to fight huge cyclops that killed me several times before I finally managed to kill them (after an epic battle involving Geraha creating new moves every turns, so I decided to keep him and never hire Myriam again) and when I finally killed the cyclops, with only Sif still standing, I had the marvelous message "only 9 monsters left!". After I stopped laughing, I found the second monster, a huge dragon, that killed all my party in one breath.
And after I was done playing with dragons, I went to do some shopping at West End only to find it totally destroyed by the Jewel Beast while I was not paying attention, and it also killed my party in one turn.
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"Re(2):THE HORROR" , posted Wed 27 Apr 21:27post reply

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As for TRF, Garnet's breasts make me think of Al Parker's balls.
And Orville sama is a character that has been created for me.... as long as he keeps these glasses on. KEEP THOSE GLASSES ON!


You really like those pointy orange glasses?

Also, does his garment destroy or whatever it's called really destroy as much as I think it does? Or does fanart lie?

quote:

My Romancing moment of the day : I was sucked in a maelstrom of events (that means : 3 different events) that involved a city that was destroyed before I could even see it before the volcano exploded, then I got rid of Myriam and took Geraha to follow one event, but then I had to fight huge cyclops that killed me several times before I finally managed to kill them (after an epic battle involving Geraha creating new moves every turns, so I decided to keep him and never hire Myriam again) and when I finally killed the cyclops, with only Sif still standing, I had the marvelous message "only 9 monsters left!". After I stopped laughing, I found the second monster, a huge dragon, that killed all my party in one breath.
And after I was done playing with dragons, I went to do some shopping at West End only to find it totally destroyed by the Jewel Beast while I was not paying attention, and it also killed my party in one turn.
That's the Roman!


Ah, events based on the number of battles you've been in. Genius.

Also, which characters are you using?





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"Re(3):THE HORROR" , posted Wed 27 Apr 22:06post reply

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You really like those pointy orange glasses?
Not as much as I fear what they hide.

quote:
Also, does his garment destroy or whatever it's called really destroy as much as I think it does? Or does fanart lie?
I don't know, I'd have to see the fan art in question to give you a perfectly accurate answer.

quote:
Also, which characters are you using?

I began with Sif, got a barbarian to help her for the few missions, then Al☆bert. Then I got Jamil, for no particular reason except he was there (I hate south Estamil as much in the remake). Then Barbara, who I really like, but unfortunately I made her use taijutsu + water + magic, and the only class that use a combination of taijutsu and water is one of the hidden ones, so she's a little tame for now.
After that, I ditched the barbarian to get Myriam, but since I didn't know what to do with her I got Gera=ha who is perfect. Everyone who complains about the designs should see what they did to Gera=ha.
Now, I have to make room for Captain Hawk, take his map then ditch him, but I don't know how many battles you have to spend to make a character appear again at his bar, so I'm afraid. Maybe I'll skip the event.
Also, Captain Hawk is as....Orvillian as I hoped he would be.

I guess Polly began with Jamil?





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"Re(2):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 00:34post reply

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I don't know when you'l be coming,



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"Re(6):Shut up you." , posted Thu 28 Apr 00:58post reply

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ESPECIALLY the laugh she does when you die.



WHAT
the impression I got from the game is that the moment you die, your killer rapes your warm corpse with much grunting. Daniella doesn't do this? I'm disappointed.





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"Re(4):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 01:05post reply

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I don't know, I'd have to see the fan art in question to give you a perfectly accurate answer.


He seems to lose his pants and keep the metal or whatever part around his crotch. Does that happen in the game?

...and people thought Garnet was fanservicey.





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"Re(5):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 02:16post reply

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I don't know, I'd have to see the fan art in question to give you a perfectly accurate answer.

He seems to lose his pants and keep the metal or whatever part around his crotch. Does that happen in the game?

...and people thought Garnet was fanservicey.



It's more like this:
he wears pants and it looks like he has a codpiece colored like his shirt (it's probably part of it?). That can get torn, but you see that that just covers the metal codpiece.

He's not losing his pants or whatever.





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"Re(6):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 02:30post reply

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It's more like this:
he wears pants and it looks like he has a codpiece colored like his shirt (it's probably part of it?). That can get torn, but you see that that just covers the metal codpiece.

He's not losing his pants or whatever.



Somebody better lose their pants in this game.





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"Re(7):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 02:38post reply

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It's more like this:
he wears pants and it looks like he has a codpiece colored like his shirt (it's probably part of it?). That can get torn, but you see that that just covers the metal codpiece.

He's not losing his pants or whatever.


Somebody better lose their pants in this game.



Lessee... hmm.

Some pants get damaged, but I don't think anybody loses them outright.

You could just go tearing the clothes off of Sheryl, though. That'll do for most people.





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"Re(3):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 04:41post reply

exodus : according to Hotmail, you're junk.
Eh. At least one Microsoft service that's doing things right.

My surreal moment of the day : just when I thought Romamin couldn't get any better, I went into a cavern in Sif's region (an Ice montain), just to find there a cute pink piggie, who was looking for her baby piggies. and to save all her babies that were about to be eaten by the monsters, I had to fight an evil Penguin Baron and his Penguin Baroness. And I was thanked by the pig mother, who thanked me and went away, without any reward. Because watching Sif talking to pigs as if they shared the same language (they stare at each other for quite a long time) is priceless as it is.
I must say that after a series of events I totally screwed, ending by the destruction of 2 villages, it felt good.





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"Re(4):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 06:34post reply

I've put the most time into Jamil, but I've got Grey and Aisha games going as well. I haven't had time to play past my initial 6 hours or so. I've been horribly busy with work and band practice. The DVD I'm writing for is 4 episodes instead of 3, so it's killing me. By the time I get a chance to play Minstrel Song, Namco X Capcom will be out.

As for raping and Demento, no...it's not that shameless, though Daniella seems decidedly turned on when she kills you and...I don't know...skins you?





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"Re(4):Penguinated" , posted Thu 28 Apr 07:52post reply

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an evil Penguin Baron and his Penguin Baroness


Somebody call Juan...or JJJ...or both. This is amazing, and if you were to promote this scene and get the Penguin Lobby behind Minstrel, you could increase the forces of SaGa here by some 50% I'd think. I know I'm a believer now.





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"Re(5):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 16:36post reply

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By the time I get a chance to play Minstrel Song, Namco X Capcom will be out.

Oh. You'll say how it is then, since I won't get NxC, at least not immediatly. Maybe according to your opinion, I'll get it a few weeks/month after it.

(Hooray ! I was afraid I fought too much and I was already in the last era of the game, since the Minstrel told me to go to the Old Castle, but Theodore's Madness just happenned, which may mean I'm only in the middle section, feeeew).





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"Re(6):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 16:44post reply

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Oh. You'll say how it is then, since I won't get NxC, at least not immediatly. Maybe according to your opinion, I'll get it a few weeks/month after it.



I'm surprised my opinion matters. Happy, but surprised.

Ah, I have a question about Minstrel Song, though. If you have 5 people in your party, will you miss out on potential party members? Some show up as short events when you enter a pub...so will those events not occur if you're full? Or will they occur and the character will give a "I won't join your party" response until you kick someone off?

I actually got a chance to play for a bit today (on Aisha's scenario), so I was pleased, even though I didn't get very far.





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"Re(7):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 17:04post reply

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I'm surprised my opinion matters. Happy, but surprised.
Oh, please.

quote:
If you have 5 people in your party, will you miss out on potential party members? Some show up as short events when you enter a pub...so will those events not occur if you're full? Or will they occur and the character will give a "I won't join your party" response until you kick someone off?

Unfortunately, yes (I think it was the same in the original?)
It can be ridiculous when, for example, you need Captain Hawk's map. If you have him in your party, you have to fire him, then go see the gekko who says "I sold the map to Captain Hawk", then go take Hawk back in your team. And if you don't want him, you have to kick someone out, take Hawk to have his map, and then wait for the other character to return. The problem is that characters don't appear immediatly in the pub, you have to make a few fights before (ten maybe ? more?).
Also, I don't know if I've said it, but the voice acting job is not very good. I'm surprised by Square; but on the other hand, every quote of Sif is priceless. SHE'S SO FEMININE AND CUTE BEAAAAAARG WHERE IS MY BEER.





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"Re(8):THE HORROR" , posted Thu 28 Apr 17:31:post reply

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Also, I don't know if I've said it, but the voice acting job is not very good. I'm surprised by Square; but on the other hand, every quote of Sif is priceless. SHE'S SO FEMININE AND CUTE BEAAAAAARG WHERE IS MY BEER.



The voice acting is....weird. Some people totally suck (Neidhardt comes to mind) and other people sound totally messed up (countless NPCs), but most of the main characters are decent at least.

But man...anything is good after Ys3. That had the worst voice acting I've ever heard. Adol was OK (though he has no business talking), but everyone else was awful.


Edit: Oh, and thanks, but now I won't be able to enjoy the game as much, because I'll be afraid I might miss someone.





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"Re(9):THE HORROR" , posted Fri 29 Apr 00:39post reply

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Edit: Oh, and thanks, but now I won't be able to enjoy the game as much, because I'll be afraid I might miss someone.


Oh, don't worry, you won't be able to complete all the events anyways. Even if it was possible to see all events (and it's impossible if you don't plan everything very rigorously like "I go there, but I finish the mission with 3 fights, then I go there, then etc), since there are the 3 path at the end depending on your actions, you won't be able to see everything anyways. You may even have missed one or two destiny stones already.
The point is not to depress you, but just to relax. The point of the game is to have fun, not to make a perfect save. It's not important if you don't see and get everything, you'll try to have the other events happen during your next parties. come and play this game with us, for ever AND EVER.

Also, because of the tiny hidden details that stay when you start the game again, like the level of the shops, the number of times you've talked to Jeraha is kept as well. Which means you may have to finish the game with 5 or 6 characters to have the privilege to have your party whipped with an energy wave that makes 999 damage to everyone.





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"Re(7):THE HORROR" , posted Fri 29 Apr 01:00post reply

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I'm surprised my opinion matters. Happy, but surprised.



hahahaha emo.





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"Re(8):THE HORROR" , posted Fri 29 Apr 06:19post reply

Polly : I have to appologize, the camera screwed me several times during my infiltration mission in Milzabourg, and it's really annoying when you play stealth.
eheheh.
A stealth RPG.
I love it.

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"Re(9):THE HORROR" , posted Fri 29 Apr 07:07post reply

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Polly : I have to appologize, the camera screwed me several times during my infiltration mission in Milzabourg, and it's really annoying when you play stealth.
eheheh.
A stealth RPG.
I love it.

(Opale and ruby get!)



Haha...well, I -really- just hate not seeing those damned kids coming in South Estamir. Actually...I just hate Estamir...or any town I get lost and disoriented in because I can't properly look right or left. That's my problem as well as the game's though.





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"Re(10):THE HORROR" , posted Sat 30 Apr 10:09:post reply

I think there must be around 10 different fight themes in the game. It's quite incredible, since all of them are really great and say "you're fighting a fucking dangerous and angry monster", but each of them say it in a quite different fashion.
The more new themes I hear, the more I believe that that awesome symphonic heavy metal song (w) will indeed be the theme of Saruin.

The latest music I heard is the minion boss fight music. It begins like some flamenco theme, with accoustic guitar and all.
It's weird, especially for a boss fight, but like with the others it's incredibly exciting to fight with this music.





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"Romamin sells well" , posted Mon 2 May 02:30post reply

From Namae no nai heya : 95% of the stock has been sold and it's totally sold out in several places.

Currently thread 186, plus dozens of other threads. The flood is comparable to the one created by Gyakuten 3.





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"Re(1):Romamin smells swell" , posted Tue 3 May 07:00post reply

Wheee...I got to play again and finally decided on Aisha's scenario because her skipping makes me happiest when I'm totally lost (which is all the time).

I keep half-finishing quests then picking up new ones, but one has been really bugging me. The guy in Melville, who's daughter is missing...you're supposed to look in Mazewood, right? I spent a whole damned hour skipping in circles to pretty music ( in a pretty place) and can't help but think I'm missing something.





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"Re(2):Romamin smells swell" , posted Tue 3 May 17:22post reply

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I keep half-finishing quests then picking up new ones, but one has been really bugging me. The guy in Melville, who's daughter is missing...you're supposed to look in Mazewood, right? I spent a whole damned hour skipping in circles to pretty music ( in a pretty place) and can't help but think I'm missing something.

Have you cleared the mystery of the death of the item shop guy?
police -> item girl ->item guy (2nd floor) -> when comes the night, follow the Saruin priest in the sewers and kill them -> get the girl. I think it's her...? Is it another event ?

Currently, I'm with Gray (I'm trying to do one character I like/one character I don't), and everything is getting smoothly. My team has Galahage, Claudia, Captain Hawk, and someone else who's being kicked out of the party every now and then until I can get Fara's sister (Frile?). Currently, it's Diana, who is nearly as ugly as her brother.
I'm rediscovering that feeling I had in RS2 of playing threw a game I know by heart.
Except I can't trigger the assassin guild, and it bugs me off. A lot.


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(also, I was a bit disapointed in the final battle. So-so music, and weak Saruin because I had too many destiny stones. I should try to leave him the obsidian blade and a few others one time, now that should be more interesting).
Also, the reward for finishing all 8 characters is said to be WTF, but I don't know in which way... Soemone says you get a new character who is you (the reason why they ask your name and sex in the beginning). I'd love that to be true... Oh how would I love that.


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"Re(3):Romamin smells swell" , posted Tue 3 May 17:46post reply

I heard that


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Neidhart

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was one of the hidden characters?

That'd be a lot worse than what you're describing, which sounds AWESOME and is all the more reason for me to buy the game.





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"Re(4):Romamin smells swell" , posted Tue 3 May 18:13post reply

Speaking of hidden characters... Dark is hard to wake (I haven't).


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You have to clear several events (including the Assassin Guild) and then your next character will meet him. Once you have him, he'll regain memory while getting new powers, it does look interesting.

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And I hope it's not who you said, since I only met him with Sif because Al☆bert asked, and I won't with Grey or anyone beside those who have to.
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"Re(5):Romamin smells swell" , posted Tue 3 May 18:31post reply

See, when Iggy describes Minstrel song, it comes out like its some classic PC RPG with all the freedom and everything.

Hmm URL button no worky.

But then somebody else plays the game, and looses some real concerns with it. Let's ignore the complaints about the visuals.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/609/609224p1.html

What says pollyanna and iggy to this?
And more than just, "This game is not for you. Retire."

That part about what happens after you die is pretty f'd up.





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"Re(6):Romamin smells swell" , posted Tue 3 May 19:13post reply

First...Iggy:Thanks, though I think it might be a different quest. This is the guy in the building next to the entrance that's missing his daughter...then you go to the pub, see the notice about it, return to him and Mazewood opens. I can only assume she's there, though maybe I'm totally backwards on this. I did it a while ago, so I might have forgotten. I've moved on since then anyway, but it's been bugging me.

Spoon: Second, everything the guy in the review said is pretty much true. Unlike Iggy, I'm not going to say that Minstrel Song is a great game, just that it's a strangely enjoyable one. If you like SaGa games, then you're probably a little messed up, because SaGa games ARE messed up. This game, while still decidedly messed up, (in my opinion) is the most enjoyable in the series.

If I were to detail my experience with Minstrel Song (or any SaGa game), it would sound like nothing but pain. For many players, this is indeed the case. There are so many oddities and counterintuitive design choices in the game that I can't possibly praise it, I can only say that I like it.

I think that everyone should take Iggy seriously when he says "this game is not for you." Don't get caught up in the "roman" and Iggy's love for the game. Everything about me tells me that the game isn't for me, but I can't stop playing it all the same. I have a feeling that one day I'll say "Why the hell did I spend all those hours playing Minstrel Song?" Then a new SaGa game will come out and I'll play it just as much.

I can't believe they're bringing it to America, though. It's going to confuse and frustrate everyone who will think that it's safe or has a certain standard because it's a Square game.





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"Re(7):Romamin smells swell" , posted Tue 3 May 21:16post reply

Ah, I knew those articles were going to appear, I love them. I'm sad he doesn't talk about how the game is crazy by making you fight big ugly dinosaurs in Gray's story.
Yeah, some bosses don't kill you. Big deal. Some bosses are fix and some other are random. Wow, big surprise. The guy doesn't understand the point of quick save at all. Eh.

And I especially like it when he says "The people who made Romancing Saga should be forced to play the game ". This is one of the best Saga game, maybe even at the level of the original RS2, it has been multi tested from one side to the other, it's even richer, deeper, but he doesn't understand anything to it, so he thinks naturally there is something wrong with the game, not with him. I love it when I'm prescient.

His reading of the game is, of course, totally wrong. The direction of the game is perfectly clear : it's what both Saga Frontier games and U : Saga tried to accomplish and totally missed. I can't explain how the direction of the game is brilliant without saying again and again what I said until now.
Just that the game is a free scenario RPG, it's a game that requires you to understand each and every system that the game offers to you, so a good knowledge of U : Saga and the original title are required. It's a remake for fans of the original game, not a remake for people who were too young to play it at the time. The original game was confusing, but with the systems from Frontier and U : introduced in it, I don't see how a totally new person to the series can take it. The game only explain the new elements (divine intervention, etc) but you're supposed to know the rest. There are explanations inside the game done very nicely, but it's too complex to sit there and read all this for 20 minutes. The game tries to be nice to newbies, but it doesn't ever abandon anything to be more easy to swallow. It's a game for people who are 15 years older then when they played the first game, and there is no concessions done to it.

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Now if Square Enix would get around to polishing up the rest of the game prior to its American release, there may be a game worth getting.

Haha, sucker.

Or, even thought you don't want me to say it, "the game is not for people like these". It is not, at the very least, a game for a country where people playing japanese RPG think everything must be like FF, or a country where RS1 hasn't been released.

This is the kind of article I could write if I had to review a game of a kind I know nothing of but hate without playing it, like, I don't know, Iggy's views on "NFL street champions 2006".





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"Re(8):Romamin smells swell" , posted Wed 4 May 01:03post reply

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I don't know, Iggy's views on "NFL street champions 2006".


INSERTCREDIT REQUEST!

Also, the reviewer's inability to even spell an English word like "dying" correctly, not once, but twice, makes me question his ability to speak Japanese well enough to understand and enjoy Minstrel. Like Karsh at TMOL would say, "you are not ready."





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"Re(8):Romamin smells swell" , posted Wed 4 May 05:00post reply

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The guy doesn't understand the point of quick save at all. Eh.




What exactly IS the point of quicksave in this game, then?

Hmm. I tried typing that out 3 times and sounded like an ass each time anyway. Don't take that as a challenge; it's just a question.





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"Re(9):Romamin smells swell" , posted Wed 4 May 06:17post reply

Yeah, I guess I should have explained more, but I didn't want to write even more than I did. Also, I make it sound like it was an awesome feature when it's just... well, a quick save.

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What exactly IS the point of quicksave in this game, then?

Well, it's exactly what it seems it is. First, the game is difficult and knows it, so you can save before and after each difficult battle "just in case". Also, since the moves can be created during any battle, by pure chance, you may want to save there after creating that awesome new move. The game enphasizes the use of the two saves (the quick one and the normal one, at the Inn), and tells you to use both of them in parrallel.

Also, RS is a very old school game, very unforgiving. (Real old school, not Vagrant Story old school). It's a game created before the massive use of Internet and Game FAQs and 2ch, where you can turn to and ask as soon as you're having the slightest problem. How can I explain...
I made maps.
Here. This is the first time since the SFC era that I needed to draw maps, write down things like what is in each town, what the combination of spells created powerful double or triple fusions, where the characters and some items were, how the ecosystem worked, etc. And god do I love it. It's really a game like nobody make them anymore.

Ugh, what was I saying. Yeah, maps. Romamin is an unforgiving game, with all that limitation on the number of fight and the difficulty and everything. So, for example when you have two path to follow, one on the right and one on the left, you quick save, go to the left, see what's there (monsters, treasure, nothing, the rest of the dungeon) then reset (the game has a L+R+start+select reset, like in the old time, to make it easier) and go check the other path. It's really a game based on tries, misses, and learning from them. You want to know if something changed at the bottom of that dungeon ? Quick save, go talk to Flame Tyrant, nothing changed, reset, and you're back just before the volcano and you don't have to do all the back tracking or to begin again from the Inn. Or you can begin again from the Inn if you want. That double level of save, that was not in the other games (well, you could use several save slots, but it was unpractical)ŕ emphasizes again this use, you're walking in a room full of monsters, quick save, you walk your way through the middle of the room unattacked, quick save, you continue, shit a monster attacks you, reset and retry until you either manage to cross the room or decide to see if you can survive a huge 5 chain fight.
Well, bad example, since the game allows monster to move a fraction of seconds before you when you start again, so it can be tricky. But still.

Ah, Pollyanna : I checked, actually I missed it because triggering the Ucom event (or clearing it?) ends up that particular event. Stupid Marin.
So, I don't know, but I think you should try to talk to everyone in Melville first (like, in the Inn, at the pub, etc). I may be wrong, of course ; if you say you were teleported inside the mayoi no mori, then there will be something to do there...
Sorry, I can't help. If you wait a few days, I'll finish Gray and see what I get with my 3rd character (ehe). Or just let her die and try something else, there are plenty of shit to do in the beginning of the game.





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"Re(10):Romamin smells swell" , posted Thu 5 May 17:41post reply

Assassin Guild destroyed ! But the monsters who protect the Jewel Beast before it's awake are too strong... orz

Also, talking to Marlin to begin the event of the Ucom statues seems to shut down many small scale events... But it's so funny.

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"I WON'T LET THIS THREAD DIE !" , posted Mon 9 May 05:43:post reply

Gray finish ! Raphael is cute, but Galahage is annoying as hell. I'll kill him everytime I play through the game from now on.
Next character : Aisha. Her music is adorable.

My new favourite move :

Claudia :
"Let's see... I have that bow, and I have that arrow, and there is that monster over here I want to kill.
And I have to use that bow. And that arrow. What should I do ?
   \  __  /
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      |ミ|
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I know !
I'll throw away the bow and the arrow, then I'll close my eyes, and I will imagine there is a harp-shapped golden bow before me; then I will imagine an arrow with cute little wings flying through the bow, and also lots of flowers and grass and butterflies on the ground, because they are cute and I love things that are cute.
And then, I'll imagine the arrow is shot by the bow, and somehow, it will make the monster being hurt for real ! Also, for a reason, a green eye will appear over my head and stay there for the rest of the fight.
It's so simple, why haven't I thought of this basic fighting technique earlier ?"


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"Re(1):I WON'T LET THIS THREAD DIE !" , posted Mon 9 May 11:28post reply

i have played plenty a saga game and hated even more (i couldn't stand rs3) but this thread is too good a read not to torture myself again orz





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"Re(1):I WON'T LET THIS THREAD DIE !" , posted Mon 9 May 15:28post reply

Ultima VII has the greatest move ever.

You open inventory, and that pauses the game.

So you can move stuff between backpacks... take stuff lying around you... move stuff out from your inventory to the world around you...

So you do things like carry a whole bunch of explosives, finda group of enemies, go ZA WORLD!!! and plant them all around them, then detonate the bunch.





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"sales IMPACT" , posted Tue 10 May 06:36post reply

I'm predicting that this thread will be directly responsibile for selling at least three English language copies of Romancing Saga.

I think Iggy's true talent lies in marketing.





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"Re(1):sales IMPACT" , posted Tue 10 May 06:39post reply

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I'm predicting that this thread will be directly responsibile for selling at least three English language copies of Romancing Saga.



I'm predicting that at least two of those people will be dissatisfied with their copy and the third will be dead before they can even play it.





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"Re(1):sales IMPACT" , posted Tue 10 May 07:02:post reply

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I'm predicting that this thread will be directly responsibile for selling at least three English language copies of Romancing Saga.

Not to me! Not this time, anyway. I usually like trying out games that critics hate but that manage to find a fanbase somehow, and SaGa has been part of this. I tried SaGaFro 1 and 2 out of curiosity and came away confused and dismayed, tried USaGa in order to try to figure out if it was that bad and found a nice-if-obtuse game that could have used some polish. Romamin is definitely not for me, judging by Iggy's comments. It frightens me, actually.





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I'm predicting that at least two of those people will be dissatisfied with their copy and the third will be dead before they can even play it.


But business is business!! That's three copies sold!





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"Re(1):sales IMPACT" , posted Tue 10 May 08:31:post reply

I will be probably one of those people buying a copy.

The game seems interesting and (most importantly) HARD.I am sorta getting bored of easy RPGs so im up for the challenge.
Also, I like the ugly characters designs.

(BTW , im one of those people who bought and beat Siren because of Iggy's evil marketing scheme. I loved it. )





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"Re(2):sales IMPACT" , posted Tue 10 May 08:58post reply

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(BTW , im one of those people who bought and beat Siren because of Iggy's evil marketing scheme. I loved it. )


Holy cow, sold on both games! Iggy's minions are growing, and it's cheaper to do it this way than to hire an army of clones/undead! The SaGa continues.





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"Re(1):sales IMPACT" , posted Tue 10 May 14:44post reply

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I'm predicting that this thread will be directly responsibile for selling at least three English language copies of Romancing Saga.

I think Iggy's true talent lies in marketing.



Don't worry, I won't be buying a copy, since I'm saving up for a Duran Duran disc.

I was going to make some lame joke about how effective a weird gay man is in selling weird games to people, but the whole thing started to sound really creepy and I stopped.





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"Teh answer" , posted Tue 10 May 17:19:post reply

I find it totally appropriate to use this 101th post to reply to my question in the first post : yes, Shadow Hearts 2 is in japanese, fewwww. (also, it's HDD compatible... Weird, just when I buy one for RomaMin, thinking no other game will ever use it, I get this game and Vampire).


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I was going to make some lame joke about how effective a weird gay man is in selling weird games to people, but the whole thing started to sound really creepy and I stopped.
Don't forget the Ie, Tatemasu! copies I sold, to the point the game is now completely sold out.

Also, I won't be held responsible for any complains from people who bought Romamin after reading this thread. They're all grow adults, and besides, I told in my first post after I got the game that I was already out of my mind about this game while listening to the seconds of silence before the music begins.
On the other hand, this will be the first game where I won't say "you have to play it in Japanese, the english dub is crap even if never heard it" since it is also the first japanese game with what I could call "a poor dub". You see something new every day.

Also, for those who will buy the game : don't start with Aisha. Not only is she extremely weak, but also the places she can go to are extremely limited, so if you don't know exactly what you are doing, you'll just kill monsters in the sewers until the end of the game. I'm currently at 2 hours of game, and I only made one fight (an event fight) ; the rest was just about running around the world on my horse, trying to make new locations appear on my map, and trying to find Barbara, Sif and Albert(and the last little bastard, feeling all the hate I have for him, still hasn't shown up).





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Don't forget the Ie, Tatemasu! copies I sold, to the point the game is now completely sold out.




The gay community at large owes you a debt of gratitude.

Somehow, I think that's an accolade that most heterosexuals would be uncomfortable with.





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The gay community at large owes you a debt of gratitude.
Somehow, I think that's an accolade that most heterosexuals would be uncomfortable with.

As long as I don't have nightmares about the volume of ejaculation produced by the games I helped selling falling on me bukkake style, I can live with myself.





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"Re(1):Teh answer" , posted Tue 10 May 18:59post reply

I found that pretending that you were someone else is the best way to play Aisha. Get kidnapped, and suddenly you're in Estamir and you've started with Jamil's game! Pick up Grey and do his starting quests!

You -did- get kidnapped in the beginning, right? It was funny dying in a fight and getting a cinema/plot element, only to leave the town, die in a fight and get more plot. Aisha's good at dying...and being happy...and I guess that's it. Grey and Jamil rule my team and everyone else just does what they can.





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"Re(2):Teh answer" , posted Tue 10 May 19:15post reply

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You -did- get kidnapped in the beginning, right?

Yes, of course, I wanted to see what the end is going to look like now Uhanji is dead (since of course I decided to kill him).
My Aisha is going to make an onslaught. I decided I would kill Galahad and the 4 kings with her, and maybe Death if I feel like it. And if I'm lucky enough to get Jeraha, she'll die as well. HA !
My team has Jamil, Sif and Barbara, because Barbara is nice to poor Aisha when you meet her, and Sif has this cute scene in the intro with Aisha where she talks to the giant. I want Nithalt or whatever his name is, because I'll try to have every character at least once, and maybe I'll dump Jamil for someone more interesting later in the game, like Frile or Silver.





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"My Romancing moment of the day" , posted Fri 13 May 05:14post reply

Well, of yesterday actually.

So, there's that octopus you may have seen in the videos of the official site, which’s guarding the Aquamarine. The point is, if you want to have the destiny stone, you have to be strong enough to beat the octopus; but if you wait too long, the asshole of Crystal City will hire someone else to get the stone, and you'll never be able to have it. You have to go there early enough to be the first to take the stone, but late enough to be able to beat the boss.
BUT.
But Ika sensei has an interesting particularity: he's the only boss of the game (to my knowledge) that you can stun. Which mean, with luck, you can go there with a very low level party, a few stun moves, and get away with it.
And since you create moves according to the difference of power between your party and the monster you face, it is possible to learn literally dozens of moves in one fight. The drawback is that Ika sensei can kill you - if you die, there is no re-match, and all your moves are lost.
So, I made barely 20 fights, and I'm with Aisha, which means I'm extremely weak, and only two of my characters can stun the opponent, with a very low probability of doing so. Needless to say, Ika sensei can kill several of my characters in one turn - the non-stunning ones have to resurrect the others.
So, after 4 turns, Ika sensei was still kicking, and everyone in my team was dead beside Aisha, who could die in one third of a hit. She had just enough magic to try to stun it, like she unsuccessfully tried the 4 first turns, and it was useless to cure anyone. I tried the magic... and this time, it worked.
I cured a character, then both cured two other characters, and the learning began... I learned maybe 10, 12 moves, nearly one every attack, it was ecstatic... until Ika sensei woke up. Everyone changed their strategies and began to stun him again, and it worked (after a total of 6 other death, followed by 6 resurrections).
Another learning festival. Thank you Ika sensei.
Then, he woke up, and this time, impossible to stun him again. He kills my other stun character, then my healers, and quickly it's again just Aisha and him standing, Aisha only having enough MP to try one last stun magic, like the first time.
I try.
And I miss.
And Aisha dies.
Game over.
All the moves are lost.

The fight was so intense I even forgot to curse the boss; I had so much fun during those ten minutes of mutual slaughter it didn't matter if I lost.
Damn, I love this game.





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"Re(1):My Romancing moment of the day" , posted Fri 13 May 06:04post reply

I had a similar experience with Tinyfeather. Even though I knew I probably couldn't win, I kept doing the fight over and over, because it was so fun. I was in bad shape, too...I had 2 new party members and Aisha had just gotten confused and BROKEN HER WEAPON.

Even though I could only heal every other turn and I had 2 people with crap starting equipment, I managed to make the fight last half an hour (on my last run). It was the best, most dramatic fight I've ever had in an RPG. It made my heart leap.

As a whole, I have mixed feelings about Minstrel Song. I say "I enjoy it, but I don't know why". But that time...I knew why, and it was awesome. It was true "roman".





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"Pirates !" , posted Wed 18 May 21:44post reply

Yeay ! It is possible to go to the Coral Coast even if you don't play as Hawk !


Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
After the pirate attack on Melville, you just have to go in the sewer in the pirate headquarters; there, a pirate will remain and will lead you to the Coral Coast, where Silver will be recrutable if you've beaten her beforehand.

End of Spoiler


And even if you don't want her in your party, it's still the easiest way to hear the awesome pirate theme anytime you want.
If you haven't heard it, it's a song where the pirates just sing "we are pirates" over and over again, it's hilarious.
O-RE-TA-CHA-KA-I-ZOKU
O-RE-TA-CHA-KA-I-ZOKU
O-RE-TA-CHA-KA-I-ZOKU
O-RE-TA-CHA-KA-I-ZOKU
O-RE-TA-CHA-KA-I-ZOKU
(tan, tatatan, taan, tatataaan!)
O-RE-TA-CHA-KA-I-ZOKU
O-RE-TA-CHA-KA-I-ZOKU
O-RE-TA-CHA-etc.

One of the best theme in the game.





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