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| Rid 6547th Post
 
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|  "The "other" videogame bosses poll" , posted Fri 8 Apr 02:06:
Here are the rules, quite simple ones:
-Straight voting, post up to five (5) choices, in a week or so the one who got more votes wins.
-The character must be a FINAL boss of a game, or at least be before it if he's more important (example: Kuja from Final Fantasy IX is practically the final boss, so he's valid). If the boss is riding a robot or something similar, the pilot is the character that counts (like Dr Wily). Hidden bosses are valid.
-Any gaming genre besides fighting games are valid. Sidescroller beat'em ups are valid.
-Post WHY you like that character, and which game is it from. If you only list them, the votes won't be counted.
-Feel free to comment on other votes, remember that if you flame your votes won't be counted.
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| Iggy 6266th Post
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|  "Re(1):The" , posted Fri 8 Apr 03:26:
Willy (Rockman) because of the two frames animation "eyebrows up, eyebrows down". I used to do the same all the time.
Datatsushi (boss of Siren) because of this.
The thing that destroys (final boss of Romancing Sa.Ga 3, at the bottom of the page) : because of its name. Its appearance is nearly as classy as its name. All its scenario is resumed in it. And it does it so well.
The 7 heroes (final boss of Romancing Sa.Ga 2, bottom of the page as well) : Once you've killed all 7 heroes, you have to destroy their real body, a ball of flesh, and each hero appears like a new member after you inflict enough damage. Sick, but great. Also, I loved the 7 heroes were not just general of the final boss, but the final boss itself.
Also, for both RS bosses, the fight is long, difficult, extremely entertaining, and has the best music of both games which already have some of the best tunes ever created for a RPG. Kawazu knows how to create an ambiance, and RS is one of the rare series where you KNOW you are fighting the last boss, and that it is the final battle, not just a fight against a boss with more HP than the others. I think I would add Saruin to the list after I'll get Minstrel Song, though.
EDIT : 5th is Medusa from Kid Icarus. The first boss I ever saw whose only face took the entire screen, on the poor little NES.
Sorry Devilot.
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| Maou 550th Post
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| "boss!" , posted Fri 8 Apr 03:27:
1.Ghaleon. Ghaleon! GHALEON! Lunar series.
I've never seen a better RPG villain with a more interesting character, particularly as it progresses through the Silver Star remake. More dispairing and misguided than a simple "evil guy," and sets up Lunar's clash between his Hobbesian vision of a guiding ruler/God versus free will humanism really beautifully. His redemption in Lunar 2 gives me chills. Plus his articulate, sneering demeanor and evil laugh are great (Japanese and English alike), and even Square lifted his design a bit for Chrono Trigger's Maou/Magus and Xenogear's Graf. Groovy.
2. Cefca - Final Fantasy VI
In contrast, I also love Cefca's smirking, gleeful nihilism and his laughing sound effect. He makes demented evil FUN to watch, sort of like a video game Richard III. ("And what could be more wonderful than the sound of hundreds of voices shrieking in unison!" Yikes.) Angelic madness at the end is great, too.
3. Dr. Eggman/Robotnik, Sonic series
"Am I evil, or am I a genius? I have all the technology in my hands...it's time for me to take over the world!" So says an Eggman cel for Sonic Adventure. I like his logic, his radical glasses, and his delightfully murderous machines he tries to use against Sonic.
4. Dracula - Akumajou Dracula/Castlevania
He's a classy bastard who's not above donning hideous monster forms in certain games to kick ass. His castle appears out of illusion and mankind's evil heart once every century, I want it.
5. Metal Sonic, Sonic series
(edit, thanks to IronD for reminding me)
In reality, it's the Sonic CD version of Metal Sonic I like, with the cool Stardust Speedway race with him set to radical music (US music was better than the Japanese score, really), but I'll use his appearance as Knuckles' last boss in Sonic&Knuckles to get him into the running. Ah, Sonic memories...
人間はいつも私を驚かせてくれる。不思議なものだな、人間という存在は．．．
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| Sano 1680th Post
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| "Re(4):Just a suggestion." , posted Fri 8 Apr 06:40:
1. Dracula of Casltevania 1 - Because he used to kick my Ass back in the day, nowadays I beat him in one or two tries. Damn Konami, give me a hard Dracula I beg you! AND NO MORE GAMES WHERE I DON'T FIGHT DRACULA COUGH COUGH LAMENT OF INNOCENCE!!!!!!
Oh and I also love how in part one I knocked the guy's head clean off, thought I won and then he turned into an ugly ass gargoyle bat! This scared the bajesus out of me!
2. Mother Brain in Super Metroid - Oh snap. I thought my Ass was a goner. There she was taking all my energy and I sat there thinking damn, what did I do wrong? Next thing I know my Metroid buddy from the Gameboy game came and saved my Ass. This is one of the greatest events in Gaming History.
3. Dr. Wily, Megaman 2 on the Gameboy - Defeating the old guy and making him bow before you is classic. I wish Capcom would come up with more creative robots for Wily to fight you in but looks like the series is over. That reappearing disappearing joint is hella lame after seeing it in three different games. One of my favorites aside from his hologram in MM2 was his final version in MM2 for the Gameboy. First a plane, then it combined with a tank, and then it combined with another part to create a big robot. That ruled!
4. King Wart in Super Mario Bros. 2 (US Version) - I love his song and curse Nintendo for remixing it and not letting you hear the original version in the Super Nes remake. Just figuring out you have to feed him vegetables when at first you thought you just had to hit him with them. And when you defeated him he turned black and white! Then the dream people carried him away and f****d him up big time! Not to mention in the end you get to see him laugh as Mario dreams making you think he will come back. Super Mario Bros. 2 is still my favorite in the series ESPECIALLY since Princess Peach doesn't get captured for once.
5. Link's shadow in Zelda II the Adventure of Link - Not only did the big slime that landed on you in the final stage scare the crap out of me, there I was. Finally defeated the last Boss. And just when I thought I beat the game, my Shadow comes to life and kicks my Ass! I yelled like a little bitch!
Wow, all my choices are old school and 2D... but they really don't make bosses like they used to. Shout out goes out to my boys Megaman Juno of Megaman Legends 1, Sigma of MMX7, and Sephiroth of FF7. Would of made the list if I had more than five. And I'm sure there are a bunch of 3D ones I'm forgetting about.
Ryu and Chun-Li forever!
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| Iron D 2652th Post
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| "Re(5):Just a suggestion." , posted Fri 8 Apr 08:35
1. Ultros and Chupon (bosses from FFVI): Hey they count as one, because they were one boss fight. Why do I like them? One word: FUNGAAAAAAAAH!
2. Shredder in a machine (TMNT IV: Turtles in Time boss of third stage): It was the first time I saw a boss fight like this. You were looking at the characters you were playing through the view of the guy you were fighting. And you hurt him by throwing foot soldiers at him. Fun as heck, and the Turtles games always had great boss music.
3. End boss from stage 2 of Silhouette Mirage, the big fish girl: I can't remember her name, but that's one of the most f'ed up designs for any videogame character ever. It's fun fighting her just for all of the comments she makes while fighting her. "Smash, smash, smash!". "Mommy! My leg is hit!". Man I really need a tag or avatar for her...
4. Mecha/Metal Sonic (bosses in various Sonic games): Awesome, very evil looking designs, and they were always fun to fight against. And for those who don't know, they are two different entities, but they're similar enough to be thrown together.
5. Bravoo Man (mid boss of stage 1 in Gunstar Heroes): Because he's f'in BRAVOO MAN! Is any more explanation needed?
Waaaaaaaay too many honorable mentions, incuding a host of beat 'em up bosses, RPG bosses, Contra bosses, Mario bosses, Sonic bosses, Reala from Nights, a bunch of Panzer Dragoon bosses....good god. Just too many honorable mentions...
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| EternalNewbie
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| "Re(1):" , posted Fri 8 Apr 08:49:
1) Dr Wily (classic Megaman games): He's been one of my role models since I was a kid. That, and as Iggy put it, you gotta love the eyebrows thing.
2) Dr Robotnik (classic Sonic games): Again, my love for lazy evil scientists continues. You gotta love his whacky creations (Death Egg, Mecha-Sonic) and his funny running away sprites.
3) Sturm (Advance Wars 1 and 2): In the first game he looked like an evil mechanical snifit that blew smoke out of his mouth and he had a huge army. Second game he had cool underlings which he abused and had an even bigger army and his gigantic Death Ray. Any boss is made cooler when you give him a Death Ray.
4) Deathevan (Breath of Fire 2): Ahhhh, good old Saint Eva. Really, my liking of him comes less from his actually design and more from his role in the whole story. A benevolent ancient god that wishes to give the world peace through death, because we all know that the dead can't kill each and do violence (well, the undead can, but that is different).
5) Cefca/Kefka (Final Fantasy VI): Gotta love the laugh, his oh so yummy evilness, and the fact that when he does get power, he seems more bored than anyone else and still does what he loves (Gigantic beams of Judgment at random).
Note: I may change my last two votes later. Trying to think about all the bosses I have loved is kind of hard, but I think this is a pretty good top 5.
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| Iron D 2653th Post
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| "Re(7):Just a suggestion." , posted Fri 8 Apr 09:52
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Good call on liking those guys, IronD, but aren't a lot of them not FINAL bosses like Rid said? I was trying to find a way to put Metal Sonic as my fifth vote...he could kinda count since he's in Knuckles' version of Sonic and Knuckles. Shredder was way cooler in his 3D machine (I died so many times before throwing soldiers at him), but thanks to his being the (less cool) last boss too, seems like he can still count!
If Chupon/Typhon and Ultros/Orthros, despite their mistranslated names, had been last bosses in FFVI, I woulda gone crazy. Awesome.
Aaarrgh! Next time I'll pay more attention. I didn't see that FINAL boss part. In that case:
1. Mecha Sonic: Because he was Knuckles' last boss in S&K like Maou said, plus isn't he the last boss of Sonic Heroes (I own SH, but I'm not even going to try to get all of the emeralds for the last stage)?
2. SEPHIROTH: I like Kefka, but I always thought he was overrated. Sephiroth has the legendary theme, and is the only last boss cool enough to have an orchestra named after him. PLUS, he's so evil, he can't be contained as a difficult boss in just one game.
3. Dr Eggman/Robotnik: For the above mentioned reasons. He's the epitome of the "evil genius who wants to take over the world" character.
4. Super Shredder (TMNT: Turtles in Time/Hyperstone Heist): Awesome theme song, and that whole teleporting around thing was just too darn cool. Plus nothing screams "climatic last battle" like fighting in front of a misplaced statue of liberty.
5. Mr. X (Streets of Rage series): The epitome of "the bad guy that won't quit". You beat the crap out of him in twice, only to have him show up again as a brain in a container in the third game! Mr. X rules!
And, as before, many, many honorable mentions.
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| EternalNewbie
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| "Question" , posted Fri 8 Apr 13:45
Quick question, what about bosses that were the mastermind behind everything, but never were fought or were fought but were just a puppet for the greater evil? Reason I ask is that if they are ok, I would like to change my last two votes. I am mainly curious about Dr Doppler from Megaman X 3 and Dr Weil from Megaman Zero 3. I love those two crazy scientists. I mean, Dr Doppler was cool and you fought him at the end, but was just a puppet for Sigma who took the place of last boss battle because it is his job to do that. I mean, Sigma was cool, but never had a real good "thing" going for him throughout the series like Wily. Sigma was always the last boss, but wasn't really in charge of anyone but the thing he was manipulating. Wily also did that now and then, but he was a crazy old man with a flying saucer and stern eye-brow raising look. As for Dr Weil, he was in charge of EVERYTHING that went down in Zero 3, but you only fought his creations all the way through the game (which he wasn't really piloting, he just let them attack Zero). Although, he might be the boss of the next game Zero 4 which comes out at the end of this month, we don't know yet. So those two OK choices?
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| Rid 6547th Post
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| "Re(1):Question" , posted Fri 8 Apr 19:07
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Quick question, what about bosses that were the mastermind behind everything, but never were fought or were fought but were just a puppet for the greater evil? Reason I ask is that if they are ok, I would like to change my last two votes. I am mainly curious about Dr Doppler from Megaman X 3 and Dr Weil from Megaman Zero 3. I love those two crazy scientists. I mean, Dr Doppler was cool and you fought him at the end, but was just a puppet for Sigma who took the place of last boss battle because it is his job to do that. I mean, Sigma was cool, but never had a real good "thing" going for him throughout the series like Wily. Sigma was always the last boss, but wasn't really in charge of anyone but the thing he was manipulating. Wily also did that now and then, but he was a crazy old man with a flying saucer and stern eye-brow raising look. As for Dr Weil, he was in charge of EVERYTHING that went down in Zero 3, but you only fought his creations all the way through the game (which he wasn't really piloting, he just let them attack Zero). Although, he might be the boss of the next game Zero 4 which comes out at the end of this month, we don't know yet. So those two OK choices?
The bosses you fought: while the mastermind behind all may be the "boss", he isn't the "game final boss"
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| CHAZumaru
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| "tough choices" , posted Fri 8 Apr 21:59
1.The obvious choice: The Boss from MGS3
Splendid background, great music, unfathomable drama, right after an hour and a half of intense rushdown ...completed while wearing a Kabuki face paint. Summarizes the game quite well.
2.The hype choice: XIGA from Radiant Silvergun
BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS...
1 : BE PRAYING
2 : BE PRAYING
3 : BE PRAYING
...aaah the class, the fear, the excitement. He's also here as a PR of all those fantastic Saturn boss fights such as the dragon of Dragon Force II, the last bos of Azel, King Dragon from Falcom Classics Xanadu, PepsiMan in Fighting Vipers... no wait, actually...
3.The "secret boss" choice: Pepsiman from Fighting Vipers
He's got it all: class, strengh, glucids. Also, I love how you actually needed to lose a perfect round in order to get the chance to meet him. I am impressed to be able to remember pretty well how I met him : I got my ass scrapped by Raxel in his elevator stage, through a guitar hit that knoked me out of the glass wall. I can even remember where that was and when : at a friend's house, at sunset. Hell, I can evn remember the peculiar smell of that flat. Pepsiman was my favorite character in Fighting Vipers, and a good reason to despise FV2 even before it came out.
4.The underground choice: the final form of the final Boss in Hell from Doukutsu Monogatari
I don't really remember if the boss was that great, but it wasn't a let down, which is a miracle considering how intense and impressive the whole game was. So, if only for not being a let down, that final boss was a great achievement.
5.The lazy choice: Kefka from FFVI
I don't give a f*** about the character, but that scrolling background boss idea was awesome.
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| emagius
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| "Behold my true form!" , posted Sat 9 Apr 11:34
1. Shadow Link - Adventure of Link. Difficult, unexpected, and yet so fitting (and cool).
2. Dragon Lord - Dragon Warrior/Quest I.
More of a personal choice there, as it was the first time I'd seen the now cliche "true form" bit used.
3. Dracula - Castlevania.
I needn't explain this.
4. Bowser - Super Mario Bros.
While I wasn't a huge fan of SMW, the SMW Bowser just rocks. Sure, that battle was half just a tech demo for the SNES, but there's still a real "whoa" factor to the third form even today.
5. Mr X - Resident Evil 2
Okay, you've still got Birkin's last form to unload your leftovers on, but Mr X gets the last real *battle*. He's been chasing you through the second half of the game without saying a word, and when he climbs out of that vat of molten metal all in flames and the music swells, you know you're in deep. Ada's appearance at the end just cements Mr X right here.
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| Phoenix 783th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Just a suggestion." , posted Mon 11 Apr 14:59:
So I'm reporting to this thread as I said I would...first the obvious ones.
1. Ghaleon (Lunar SSSC): "Not Ghaleon, dear Quark... MAGIC EMPEROR GHALEON!" Yes yes that brilliant quote sums up his aura quite well. This guy pissed the hell out of me cuz the bastard's tough. His sense of humor is like the RPG's equivalent of Krauser- brilliant.
2. Kefka (FF6): Totally insane, totally evil...this guy pissed me off not with his toughness but with his twisted mind. And I really like his theme music. Much more so than even Sephiroth's theme if you don't mind me saying so. When he descends on you slowly from heaven- I was soooo pumped up to kick his ass to oblivion. Oh, and he has "goner" and "fallen angel." Brilliant moves.
Who else? Let's see...
3. Liquid Snake (MGS): I'm still in the beginning of MGS3 so... But Liquid...this bastard NEVER dies. He has that Geese syndrome which seems to be going around now adays and has successfully infected Heihachi. I wouldn't want to see how diehard Liquid becomes in old age.
4. Deus (Xenogears): Granted, the final boss is Urubolous but he's just part of Deus anyways I think... Anyway, quite possibly the coolest multi-part boss ever. And freakin TOUGH to beat. Hmmm, what's with me and tough bosses. Anyhow, all the sub-bosses and the strategies involved in taking Deus down were quite memorable. Good music too. Xenogears had some really awesome sub-bosses too- whose names I have forgotten for some reason.
5. Dracula (Castlevania): "You take men's souls and make them your slaves! Perhaps the same can be said of all religions. Your words are as empty as your soul." Why is that dialogue so memorable anyway? Is it cuz it's sooo corny that I can't help but remember it? It's great that he transforms and stuff though. That's always a plus.
Honorable Mentions: Mr. X, Gyabba, Alma...
Special Remark: I had heard that Star Ocean 2 had this hidden final boss who is supposedly infamous for the difficulty level. I seek his head.
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| Undead Fred 2296th Post
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| "Re(1):dialup sucks...anyways..." , posted Mon 11 Apr 17:18
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-Ganondorf. And yes, I'll be honest. A major part of it was seeing that "DUDE, GANON IS A NEGRO!!!" But Ganondorf is cool regardless of race. Seeing him in Smash Bros. Melee was an awesome bonus. I regret not having LoZ:OoT anymore.
Heh heh heh. Man, I didn't think he was of African descent, or from the human race, for that matter. Besides, isn't his skin... like, green anyway?
Anyway, my choices would have to be:
Pyramid Head (Silent Hill 2)- Creepy, unstoppable, and a great design. Very imposing, too. My favorite version was the one with the giant knife.
Gouji Rokkaku (Jet Grind Radio)- Not that tough of a boss fight, but the game was so great, that it was a great way to finish off the game: an epic battle on a giant turntable over Tokyo.
Volgin (Metal Gear Solid 3)- I know he's pretty new, but I thought he was a good boss fight. Plus, the electricity and Bryan Fury look won points with me.
And I also vote for Dr. Wily. I liked fighting his creations more, but it never got old fighting him again.
I can't really think of other ones (or better entries)... I'm too tired. But runner up to Ultimecia from FF8 for the most gigantic pain in the ass fight I've ever had in a RPG. And yes, I'm sure there are much worse in other RPG's, but I haven't seen them yet.
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| EternalNewbie
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| "Re(2):dialup sucks...anyways..." , posted Mon 11 Apr 18:21
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But runner up to Ultimecia from FF8 for the most gigantic pain in the ass fight I've ever had in a RPG. And yes, I'm sure there are much worse in other RPG's, but I haven't seen them yet.
*shudder* I absolutely HATED Ultimecia. Out of everyone I knew, I am the only one that seemed to have a problem with her, but everyone else I know doesn't believe me when I tell them about her cheap ass tactic she used against me alot. Did anyone else have the problem where she would cast Hell's Circle (you know, that move that brings everyone's HP down to 1) and then Meteor? I had Ultima maxed out on my people's special defense so they absorbed any elemental spell, but Meteor was always non-elemental. I know I was a bit unfair to her other incarnations (really, I just used Aura and then Lion Heart limit break each time), but that last form would always just do that stupid game-over combo of Hell's Circle followed immediatly by Meteor. Grrrrrr........ *hides in corner mumbling to self* 
NOTE: I did eventually beat her, but it was like my 20th try and after that, I have never touched the game again.
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| Undead Fred 2299th Post
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| "Re(1):totally boss" , posted Tue 12 Apr 02:42
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*shudder* I absolutely HATED Ultimecia. Out of everyone I knew, I am the only one that seemed to have a problem with her, but everyone else I know doesn't believe me when I tell them about her cheap ass tactic she used against me alot. Did anyone else have the problem where she would cast Hell's Circle (you know, that move that brings everyone's HP down to 1) and then Meteor? I had Ultima maxed out on my people's special defense so they absorbed any elemental spell, but Meteor was always non-elemental. I know I was a bit unfair to her other incarnations (really, I just used Aura and then Lion Heart limit break each time), but that last form would always just do that stupid game-over combo of Hell's Circle followed immediatly by Meteor. Grrrrrr........ *hides in corner mumbling to self*
NOTE: I did eventually beat her, but it was like my 20th try and after that, I have never touched the game again.
Eternal Newbie: I agree, Ultimacia was delightfully difficult, probably the toughest last boss Square's ever had next to Xenogears' Deus...the multi-part fun and the last form were mind-blowing. It's especially fun since in VIII, it was surprisingly easy for your guys to suck at the end of the game if you didn't pay attention...great stuff. I voted for others just because she isn't as memorable character-wise despite her tragic predestined fate to be defeated thanks to time looping.
Heh heh heh. Fun??? Man, I'm all for a good challenge, but fighting Ultimecia was that kind of fun like, chewing your own arm off fun. I don't mind when a boss changes forms and makes things harder, but Jesus... FOUR forms? And each one is more cruel than the last... I think what made her fight so unbearable was that it took several hours to get through those other forms, so when she pulls that cheap Hell's Circle + Meteor combo (I did get killed by that once or twice)... it just makes you want to smash your controller into the wall.
At least the ending was very satisfying. But like Newbie said, after beating her, I never touched the game again. Heh heh.
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| tenguman
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| "Re(3):dialup sucks...anyways..." , posted Tue 12 Apr 03:23
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But runner up to Ultimecia from FF8 for the most gigantic pain in the ass fight I've ever had in a RPG. And yes, I'm sure there are much worse in other RPG's, but I haven't seen them yet.
*shudder* I absolutely HATED Ultimecia. Out of everyone I knew, I am the only one that seemed to have a problem with her, but everyone else I know doesn't believe me when I tell them about her cheap ass tactic she used against me alot. Did anyone else have the problem where she would cast Hell's Circle (you know, that move that brings everyone's HP down to 1) and then Meteor? I had Ultima maxed out on my people's special defense so they absorbed any elemental spell, but Meteor was always non-elemental. I know I was a bit unfair to her other incarnations (really, I just used Aura and then Lion Heart limit break each time), but that last form would always just do that stupid game-over combo of Hell's Circle followed immediatly by Meteor. Grrrrrr........ *hides in corner mumbling to self*
NOTE: I did eventually beat her, but it was like my 20th try and after that, I have never touched the game again.
Is that so?
I always used the Meltdown - Aura - Renzokuken (the last level of it, which name I can't remember right now) and never had trouble beating her.
And the ending is reall well made, but FFVIII = Crappus Maximus.
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| Red Falcon 5444th Post
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|  "Re(3):dialup sucks...anyways..." , posted Tue 12 Apr 12:01:
Ganondorf is a Gerudo, a race characterized by only having male children once every 100 years... and enormous noses. He also had a stint as a blue pig man back in the day, although he was originally a bearded man (he became a pig because of the Dark World crud I forget about). I don't think Nintendo really had any intent to have references to real ethnic groups in these games; Japan isn't a country that really has much interest in PC; it's monoethnic, so different ethnicities tend not to be a focus. I mean, one could hardly claim the gorons or zoras were a reference to any real group of people... and truthfully, if a chara is cool, should his ethnicity really matter?
Edit: BTW, anybody notice how his name keeps getting longer and longer? First it was Ganon, then it was Ganondorf, now it's "Ganondorf Dragmire"... soon we'll have "Ganonindorf Krebulin Dragmireson The Fourth, Esquire and Attorney at Law" on our hands.
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| EternalNewbie
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| "Re(4):dialup sucks...anyways..." , posted Tue 12 Apr 12:24
I was always under the impression Ganondorf and the Gerudo people were a slight take off Arabic type people. I mean, the whole dark but not black skin thing, the almost belly-dancer get up for some of the girls, the living in the desert. I don't know, that was always my take. I mean, not to be racist or anything, but if I had to create a steorotype of Arabic people, it would be kind of similar to the Gerudo, but with turbans. Well, that and the fact that also the Gerudo people are mainly female rather than Arabic male run type stuff. Well, actually, are the Gerudo mainly a female or male dominated race? I mean, they are almost all female run and organized, but wasn't Ganondorf still their king, as was tradition for that one male born every 100 years?
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| Red Falcon 5444th Post
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| "Re(5):dialup sucks...anyways..." , posted Tue 12 Apr 12:37
I guess it's visible in the "belly dancer garb" as you say, but they largely lack any traits in common with a real people. It's difficult for people to create TRULY "different" cultures, so things that really exist are often used as a reference point, even if the end result isn't actually supposed to be anything like them. This is the same with aliens in sci-fi, they often have many human characteristics despite their appearances. If you want to read something about a species that is.. well, TRULY different, read something like Hal Clement's "Cycle of Fire". Anyway, back to the point; Americans tend to assume the rest of the world is as varied as the U.S. is ethnically, but more often than not this isn't the case, and thusly their respective country's entertainment focus is different. Watch any Indian or Chinese movie and look for how often non-Indian or Chinese people show up. But ANYWAY, back to the REAL POINT of this thread. I'll add some honorable mentions!
Honorable Mentions:
Mother Brain: A big ol' brain in a glass jar and a criminal mastermind!
Lassic/Lashiec: The first RPG boss I remember as truly being "cool". Seeing him return in 4 was a real treat!
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| ZamIAm 1507th Post
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| "Desert Jungle Action" , posted Tue 12 Apr 21:55
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I was always under the impression Ganondorf and the Gerudo people were a slight take off Arabic type people. I mean, the whole dark but not black skin thing, the almost belly-dancer get up for some of the girls, the living in the desert. I don't know, that was always my take. I mean, not to be racist or anything, but if I had to create a steorotype of Arabic people, it would be kind of similar to the Gerudo, but with turbans. Well, that and the fact that also the Gerudo people are mainly female rather than Arabic male run type stuff. Well, actually, are the Gerudo mainly a female or male dominated race? I mean, they are almost all female run and organized, but wasn't Ganondorf still their king, as was tradition for that one male born every 100 years?
The "who runs things" is an intriguing question. I know in Africa, a though women are considered "lower" in status, they are almost always the ones in charge of commerce, can usually own land, and are able to participate in the legal system--things arabic women are usually denied. I'm pretty sure that though the Gerudo aren't officially black or arabic it just seems like that was the inspiration. Miyamoto is known for hiding in jokes and referencing homages. To my understanding, "Gerudo" is actually an ancient god from India while "Ganondorf" is supposed to be a homage to Lord Of The Rings.
And maybe I am a little biased in my opinion but as stated, though I like black characters they don't have to be black to be cool (points at Eggman, Carmen)
They're outsourcing Elmo and putting Cookie Monster on a diet...WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO?!?
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for the universe I'm not sure....
