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"Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 09:25post reply

You don't have to be afraid to buy an Apple anymore.

http://www.apple.com/macmini/


[A $100 flash-based iPod has also been announced at the currently ongoing Macworld.]






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"Re(1):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 10:33post reply

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You don't have to be afraid to buy an Apple anymore.

http://www.apple.com/macmini/


[A $100 flash-based iPod has also been announced at the currently ongoing Macworld.]



I don't want to be a stickler, but they're marketing the fact that this new IPod doesn't have a screen (so you can't choose your song) as a 'feature'... "You can randomize it! It'll read your MIND!"

Can't they put a screen on it? IRiver has screens on their smaller models...





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"Re(2):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 10:57post reply

quote:

I don't want to be a stickler, but they're marketing the fact that this new IPod doesn't have a screen (so you can't choose your song) as a 'feature'... "You can randomize it! It'll read your MIND!"

Can't they put a screen on it? IRiver has screens on their smaller models...



It really seems pointless, like a cheap cash-in on the iPod name. I mean, who is Apple trying to target with this? It's not meant to be an iPod accessory - iPods already have a shuffle funtion. Something for those who can't afford iPods? You'd be better off saving your money for an iPod Mini, especially since a 1GB shuffler goes for $149.

The MiniMac, though, looks nice, but it seems a bit underpowered...





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"Re(3):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 12:24post reply

Just get a Creative Nomad Zen Xtra. When you buy Ipod, you are just paying an extra 100-150 for the name only.





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"Re(4):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 13:01post reply

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Just get a Creative Nomad Zen Xtra. When you buy Ipod, you are just paying an extra 100-150 for the name only.



Or, y'know, don't. For one, Creative has the worst tech support of any company I've ever dealt with. No one else has ever yelled at ME because I inquired about drivers that were promised months ago. If that wasn't bad enough, a friend of mine got one of these for Christmas and I was kind of dismayed by everything about it. Cluttered interface, poor button arrangement. Nothing about it was intuitive in the least. Pay the extra money only if you care about getting the best user experience possible. If you don't want to buy an iPod, that's dandy. At least look to iRiver, Archos, anyone but Creative.





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"Re(5):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 13:10post reply

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Just get a Creative Nomad Zen Xtra. When you buy Ipod, you are just paying an extra 100-150 for the name only.


Or, y'know, don't. For one, Creative has the worst tech support of any company I've ever dealt with. No one else has ever yelled at ME because I inquired about drivers that were promised months ago. If that wasn't bad enough, a friend of mine got one of these for Christmas and I was kind of dismayed by everything about it. Cluttered interface, poor button arrangement. Nothing about it was intuitive in the least. Pay the extra money only if you care about getting the best user experience possible. If you don't want to buy an iPod, that's dandy. At least look to iRiver, Archos, anyone but Creative.

The reason why I wouldn't really be interested in getting iPods of any sort is the whole non-replaceable battery thing... The battery lasts for what is it, 180 hours? Then you have to get a whole new one, more or less? Bleh.

But yeah, this is just standard Apple stuff to me... "We'll paint it purple and re-sell it as a new item and Mac fans will love it!" It just seems weird that their selling points for this thing are that you can't tell what the hell it's going to play next and that it's a "tuneful fashion statement." It's cute and all, but just doesn't seem practical at all to anyone but people who like Macs.





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"Re(6):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 13:30post reply

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The reason why I wouldn't really be interested in getting iPods of any sort is the whole non-replaceable battery thing... The battery lasts for what is it, 180 hours? Then you have to get a whole new one, more or less? Bleh.

But yeah, this is just standard Apple stuff to me... "We'll paint it purple and re-sell it as a new item and Mac fans will love it!" It just seems weird that their selling points for this thing are that you can't tell what the hell it's going to play next and that it's a "tuneful fashion statement." It's cute and all, but just doesn't seem practical at all to anyone but people who like Macs.



Seems like a short estimate. I've had my 20GB for 2 years now and the battery's still fine, and it's had a hell of a lot of use. Go figure. I expect it to crap out sooner or later, but that's the nature of rechargable batteries. It is user-replacable, but not easily... and that's the problem. They really should fix that.

I am kind of amused that the iPod shuffle's selling point is... well, the shuffle. Though you can set it to play straight through the playlist on the unit itself. To me, a screenless flash mp3 player and USB flash drive combo is worth $100. I'd only keep the songs I'd want to listen to while running on it, because running is the only time my HD iPod has ever given me trouble, and having a USB drive in the same package (all smaller than a pack of gum and lighter than 4 quarters) seems pretty nice. I kind of wondered who iPod mini was aiming at (until it sold reeeeally well), but I can see what some people would want from this. Plus it's already been proven that tiny, pretty things sell no matter what they do.





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"Re(5):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 13:46post reply

Mac mini's nice, just on the basis that it's cute and transportable. I like my comps like that. On the iPod shuffle, though, I really would prefer a screen to go with that.

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talk on alternative music options



Or, if you're light on MP3s and don't mind not having the option of having a portable 40 GB HD, you can also just use the money toward a PDA with wireless capabilities. You can listen to net radio stations anywhere there's good wireless access and walk around with it -- and if you really want to listen to a few MP3s, you can use a CompactFlash or SD card for that purpose. (It'll probably be a while until CF or SD cards affordably reach the size of current portable HDs -- but at least on size, we've got at least 4GB CF Cards out right now.)

That, and, depending on the processor and available space, it can be a nice little gaming system. I'm setting up my PDA to play the talkie versions of Sam & Max and Day of the Tentacle with ScummVM.





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"Re(6):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 14:14post reply

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That, and, depending on the processor and available space, it can be a nice little gaming system. I'm setting up my PDA to play the talkie versions of Sam & Max and Day of the Tentacle with ScummVM.



Whoa. That's awesome. PDAs have come a long way since that Palm III I had last, ha. Never saw the need to invest in another one, again. That's pretty cool, though. When I was playing with my Nintendo DS today (just got back from repairs), I was thinking about how cool it would be to have SCUMM games on it, with the point and click thing and all... never knew you could already do it on PDAs. Neat.





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"Re(7):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 16:45post reply

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Seems like a short estimate. I've had my 20GB for 2 years now and the battery's still fine, and it's had a hell of a lot of use. Go figure. I expect it to crap out sooner or later, but that's the nature of rechargable batteries. It is user-replacable, but not easily... and that's the problem. They really should fix that.

Yeah, I'm sure the battery time varies from person to person, but that's the number I've heard. I remember seeing some video of these guys going around and spraypainting "The iPod's non-replaceable battery only lasts 180 hours" or something like that on all of those obnoxious iPod ads in whichever large city they lived in. There was audio with an Apple customer support call at the beginning where the guy basically told him it couldn't be replaced, and it's "cheaper to just buy a new iPod." I've heard the battery is technically replaceable, but it involves taking the whole thing apart, which a majority of the users probably won't be able to do.

Anyway, I'm sure people will buy the iPod McShuffle or whatever, but it just comes across like Nintendo re-selling ancient 8 bit games for $20 apiece on the GBA.





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"Re(8):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 16:51post reply

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problem. They really should fix that.
Yeah, I'm sure the battery time varies from person to person, but that's the number I've heard. I remember seeing some video of these guys going around and spraypainting "The iPod's non-replaceable battery only lasts 180 hours" or something like that on all of those obnoxious iPod ads in whichever large city they lived in. There was audio with an Apple customer support call at the beginning where the guy basically told him it couldn't be replaced, and it's "cheaper to just buy a new iPod." I've heard the battery is technically replaceable, but it involves taking the whole thing apart, which a majority of the users probably won't be able to do.



When you cite that video as a source, I just kind of get irritated. The guys did that for publicity and not much else, yeah, Apple's policy for new batteries wasn't so good then, but the user-replacing really isn't that hard, it's just a matter of poking around online for the battery and opening your iPod. It's not like soldering a mod switch into a GameCube or Saturn or something.

I think iPod shuffle will reach a different market, but there'll also be a lot of repeat buyers. Just like people who bought an iPod mini while they already own a full-size iPod. I didn't need to buy a GBA SP when I owned a normal GBA... well, I did, if I wanted to keep my eyesight. I like the design and I'm going to look at other flash players to see if there's another USB drive/mp3 player combo that's cheaper and still suitable for what I want, and if not, then I'll be grabbing the $99 model and taking it running. I don't think it's a bad deal considering.





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"Re(9):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 17:31post reply

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When you cite that video as a source, I just kind of get irritated. The guys did that for publicity and not much else, yeah, Apple's policy for new batteries wasn't so good then, but the user-replacing really isn't that hard, it's just a matter of poking around online for the battery and opening your iPod. It's not like soldering a mod switch into a GameCube or Saturn or something.
Well, yeah... I meant that more like "this is what I've heard about it" and all that. I don't actually own an iPod, but I would still probably go with something that plays MP3's and not AIFF's anyway (again, this is something I've heard about it, but not totally sure if it's right).
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I think iPod shuffle will reach a different market, but there'll also be a lot of repeat buyers. Just like people who bought an iPod mini while they already own a full-size iPod. I didn't need to buy a GBA SP when I owned a normal GBA... well, I did, if I wanted to keep my eyesight. I like the design and I'm going to look at other flash players to see if there's another USB drive/mp3 player combo that's cheaper and still suitable for what I want, and if not, then I'll be grabbing the $99 model and taking it running. I don't think it's a bad deal considering.

$99 isn't totally bad for regular MP3 player as far as I know, but I guess I just thought the lack of a screen was a little bit... eh, I don't know. I figured they would sort of owe their customers a screen, especially since "shuffle" is one of the oldest features on digital music and CD's. I guess I'm just saying that it sounds about like a car company bragging that their new car comes with air conditioning. And the car's windows don't roll down.





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"Re(9):Mac mini" , posted Wed 12 Jan 17:38post reply

The Mac Mini is a good move on Apple's part.

Its especially marketed for switchers. No keyboard, mouse or monitor is included unlike Apple's other stuff besides the power mac. Its basically a remarketed Cube with a better price point. Mainly matter just replacing your old PC's tower with the mac mini granted nearly everything is usb. It makes switching more cost effective if you already have a good monitor, keyboard, two button mouse and .

Its also attractive to ppl dismayed crappy low end pcs. The mini's performace would be solid if you up ram(OSX needs more), and plan to use it for general purposes.

Also the Ipod shuffle is for ppl who want an ipod and can't afford one. There are better products out there, its all just ipod memes.





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"Re(10):Mac mini" , posted Thu 13 Jan 00:59post reply

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Well, yeah... I meant that more like "this is what I've heard about it" and all that. I don't actually own an iPod, but I would still probably go with something that plays MP3's and not AIFF's anyway (again, this is something I've heard about it, but not totally sure if it's right).


iPods play MP3s just right. What they also play are AAC (MP4), not AIFF.





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"Re(2):Re(10):Mac mini" , posted Thu 13 Jan 01:44:post reply

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iPods play MP3s just right. What they also play are AAC (MP4), not AIFF.



They can handle AIFF too, as well as WAV.

The shuffle feature isn't the selling point for the iPod Shuffle, really. It's the small size and low cost... it's the budget iPod for those who don't want to lay down multiple hundreds of dollars for an MP3 player. I think that's obvious. A screen would only jack up the price, completely defeating the purpose of this model. I think it's smart, and will get their name out there even more than it has been in the past year. They are just covering all possible bases.

[I think it would be useful for even those who already own an iPod.. there are plenty of times when you don't want to risk damaging your player by bringing it somewhere in particular, but this thing is so small that there is almost nothing to worry about.]

The Mac Mini is smart, too. Like B_H said... It's not going to blow anyone away with the specs, but for those looking to get away from their problem-laden Windows machines, this thing closes the deal. It's hardly an investment at $500, and has enough features for normal computer users. [Get a 1GB stick of some Crucial RAM, though.]





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"Re(3):Re(10):Mac mini" , posted Thu 13 Jan 01:46post reply

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[I think it would be useful for even those who already own an iPod.. there are plenty of times when you don't want to risk damaging your player by bringing it somewhere in particular, but this thing is so small that there is almost nothing to worry about.]



Another feature I like that I found out about last night: it can fill itself with random songs from your iTunes library to your specification, such as highest rated ones, etc. So every time you plug it in you can end up with a different list of songs, which is a pretty cool idea indeed for a low capacity player.





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"Re(4):Re(10):Mac mini" , posted Thu 13 Jan 01:59post reply

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Another feature I like that I found out about last night: it can fill itself with random songs from your iTunes library to your specification, such as highest rated ones, etc. So every time you plug it in you can end up with a different list of songs, which is a pretty cool idea indeed for a low capacity player.



Exactly. I forgot to mention that, but that is in large part the reason for the "Shuffle" name.

Also... about iPod batteries... anyone with some patience can probably change their own, and there are a few companies who sell replacement batteries. Some replacements even last longer and provide longer battery charges than Apple's, apparently.





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"Re(5):Re(10):iPod Shuffle" , posted Thu 13 Jan 10:44post reply

From the time I leave my house in the morning to when I get back in the evening, I spend about an hour driving in the car five days a week. I don't listen to the radio (nothing that suits my interests). My car has a CD player, but it's old and doesn't play CD-RW or MP3 discs. Even if I put in an 80 minute CD, it gets old after a week, especially since I hear the majority of it each day.

I could burn a new CD every week or whatever, but that seems like a waste really, mainly because I'd need to use a new CD-R each time. It seems that the iPod Shuffle would suit my specific needs perfectly.

The $99 model holds about 3 hours (low-ball figure) of music at a time, which works fine because I would only use it in the car mainly (with a cassette adapter). That gives me my hour of drive time plus enough extra music that I can skip songs I don't want to hear and still not loop. I don't need a screen because I'll be driving when its in use most of the time. The device would change its contents around when I sync it each evening, giving me new stuff for the drive the next day. It's small enough that I can keep it in my pocket when I'm at work (because there's no way in hell I'm leaving it in the car). And it's cheap enough to make it a reasonable option to buying a new car stereo.

As much as I agree with the sentiments about overpriced saturation and such, I can't deny that this particular one is tempting.





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"Re(6):Re(10):iPod Shuffle" , posted Thu 13 Jan 13:11:post reply

from amazon:
Creative Labs Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra 40 GB MP3 Player: $250 (retail: $300)

Apple 40 GB iPod M9268LL/A: $400.00

I've been using a 30gb creative labs for about a year now.

Dropped it one or two times on a tile floor naked, and it still works fine. It also comes with a super durable teflon looking cover. I imagine it could probably take a bullet or two if you keep it in that thing.

Haven't gotten around to comparing the sound with an ipod, but I think the creative sounds OK, and I've heard it actually sounds better than an ipod.

My only complaints are that

1.) The battery lid comes off too easily (if your using it naked without the protective cover it comes with.)

2.) The spring loaded menu scrolling dial thing on the side feels flimsy, however it has not broken in a year.

3.) The cursor scrolling and video screen interaction will lag when a song is playing, but it seems to be pretty responsive when its not.

4.) Songs are a bit difficult to organize and sort.

I haven't gotten the chance to give an ipod a good once over, so I can't really compare. I don't have any major complaints against the Creative though, and I am still happy with it. I can't imagine the ipod being $150 better, if it is at all.





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"Re(7):Re(10):iPod Shuffle" , posted Thu 13 Jan 13:23post reply

Weird. I got a Creative Nomad Zen for Christmas, which worked for a few months and then crapped out. Despite buying a new battery, it wouldn't start - the problem ending up being a circuit being blown inside.

So far my iPod's working well - it like it better than the Zen. I think the iPod sounds much better, but I'm making an unscientific comparison, purely based on memory. Navigating around is easier with the iPod, too. Though I do miss the Zen's option to play just one song and add songs to a queue (iPod's On-the-Go playlist isn't the same).





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"Re(8):Re(10):iPod Shuffle" , posted Fri 14 Jan 13:44post reply

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Weird. I got a Creative Nomad Zen for Christmas, which worked for a few months and then crapped out. Despite buying a new battery, it wouldn't start - the problem ending up being a circuit being blown inside.

So far my iPod's working well - it like it better than the Zen. I think the iPod sounds much better, but I'm making an unscientific comparison, purely based on memory. Navigating around is easier with the iPod, too. Though I do miss the Zen's option to play just one song and add songs to a queue (iPod's On-the-Go playlist isn't the same).



They both seem solid to me. I wouldnt mind having both of them. I may buy a mac mini for my girlfriend but i doubt she will get to use it much.
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