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"ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 13:23:post reply


ADV is shutting down sites that have torrents of licensed anime... the first victims are http://www.boxtorrents.com and http://anime.mircx.com

edit- posted by an anime.mircx.com staff member in alt.binaries.anime-
ADV has requested that we remove a number of torrents and series from
the site.
As a result, the torrent listings will be unavailable until we are able
to sort through them and implement a method to prevent the requested
torrents and series from being automatically indexed in the future.
We apologize for the inconvenience





[this message was edited by Fuchikoma on Fri 11 Jun 13:30]

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"Re(1):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 13:46post reply


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ADV is shutting down sites that have torrents of licensed anime... the first victims are http://www.boxtorrents.com and http://anime.mircx.com

edit- posted by an anime.mircx.com staff member in alt.binaries.anime-
ADV has requested that we remove a number of torrents and series from
the site.
As a result, the torrent listings will be unavailable until we are able
to sort through them and implement a method to prevent the requested
torrents and series from being automatically indexed in the future.
We apologize for the inconvenience

At least they're apparently notifying these site first before they do the RIAA "I WILL EAT YOUR SOUL" method of attack. I'm sure a lot of the sites offering licensed anime torrents probably either don't realize they've been licensed or hadn't updated yet to remove all of the licensed anime from their site or something like that...

So, I think if they're notifying the sites first, then allowing them to clear off the licensed anime and let them stay active, that seems reasonable to me.





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"Re(1):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 13:48post reply


It was only a matter of time, really, with as long as those sites continued to ignore the distinction between licensed and unlicensed series while Animesuki and a.scarywater.net kept their noses clean. This is something that has to happen if American anime companies want to make any money, so I have nothing but support for the action.





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"Re(2):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 13:55post reply


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It was only a matter of time, really, with as long as those sites continued to ignore the distinction between licensed and unlicensed series while Animesuki and a.scarywater.net kept their noses clean. This is something that has to happen if American anime companies want to make any money, so I have nothing but support for the action.
I just hope they don't go too far and end up cracking down on Animesuki and others who have been careful so far. You never know when they might decide that sharing is illegal, licensed in the North America or not.





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"Re(3):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 14:14post reply


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I just hope they don't go too far and end up cracking down on Animesuki and others who have been careful so far. You never know when they might decide that sharing is illegal, licensed in the North America or not.

Yeah, I think that goes without saying. I don't think it will happen, though, as long as sites like Animesuki keep everything clean (which they seem to be really thorough about). They're pretty careful, and I'd assume if they ever did make a mistake and post links to a licensed anime, they'd remove them immediately once they found out. So, I'd say not to worry...





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"Re(1):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 14:52post reply


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ADV is shutting down sites that have torrents of licensed anime... the first victims are http://www.boxtorrents.com and http://anime.mircx.com



Not surprised,considering how fansubs of Chrno Crusade are still appearing despite ADV's announcement that they acquired the series a month or two ago.





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"Burning Ranger get back in here" , posted Fri 11 Jun 15:02:post reply


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Not surprised,considering how fansubs of Chrno Crusade are still appearing despite ADV's announcement that they acquired the series a month or two ago.

i've been searching for episodes for the past few days. the last one i've got is episode 10. if you can supply any links, i'd be grateful. i'll even take Anime-Junkies episodes! i beg you!

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or wait. were you referring to boxtorrents and anime.mircx.com? i should've started my search two weeks ago, before this madness began





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"Re(1):Burning Ranger get back in here" , posted Fri 11 Jun 15:07post reply


Anime-Kraze is still subbing Chrno Crusade... you can still find the torrents on their "non a.scarywater.net" site. ;) Same goes for Paranoia Agent.





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"Re(2):Burning Ranger get back in here" , posted Fri 11 Jun 15:16:post reply


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Anime-Kraze is still subbing Chrno Crusade... you can still find the torrents on their "non a.scarywater.net" site. ;) Same goes for Paranoia Agent.



Hope they don't get burned for that.

Well, this event was expected. What wasn't expected is that they'd be this late to perform some sort of action like this. Oh well.

Edit: grammar.





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"Re(3):Burning Ranger keep on Burning" , posted Fri 11 Jun 15:25post reply


thanks a lot, Fuchi! your kindness has touched a special place in my heart


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Hope they don't get burned for that.

because of Fuchikoma's actions, Anime-Kraze servers are being disassembled as we speak





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"Re(4):Burning Ranger keep on Burning" , posted Fri 11 Jun 15:53post reply


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thanks a lot, Fuchi! your kindness has touched a special place in my heart


Hope they don't get burned for that.
because of Fuchikoma's actions, Anime-Kraze servers are being disassembled as we speak


Nah I'm a narc... you're all getting sued for downloading teh fansubs! You fell into my trap! Muhahahahaha. I also work for Capcom and I'm suing people with Third Strike animated gifs... you think Fightersgeneration is just over their bandwith limit? You fools! Fear my power!





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"Re(5):Burning Ranger keep on Burning" , posted Fri 11 Jun 16:05post reply


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Nah I'm a narc... you're all getting sued for downloading teh fansubs! You fell into my trap! Muhahahahaha. I also work for Capcom and I'm suing people with Third Strike animated gifs... you think Fightersgeneration is just over their bandwith limit? You fools! Fear my power!

I'm with the Secret Bureau of Un-downloading Anything. Everyone who has posted in this thread will now report to their local law enforcement agencies to have their brains melted.





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"Re(1):Burning Ranger get back in here" , posted Fri 11 Jun 20:38post reply


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Not surprised,considering how fansubs of Chrno Crusade are still appearing despite ADV's announcement that they acquired the series a month or two ago.
i've been searching for episodes for the past few days. the last one i've got is episode 10. if you can supply any links, i'd be grateful. i'll even take Anime-Junkies episodes! i beg you!



Well, it doesn't take much to seek out and find these subs. I know about two other groups (other than Anime-Kraze) that is doing the subs--and some of the fansub newssites out there have links to them (I have seen up to Ep. 23 in one case).

I'm a little bit upset that some fansub groups continue to sub some series despite announcements that these series are licensed. It's not like ADV has lowered quality to TokyoPop standards (at least, I haven't noticed). A good chunk of my DVD collection is ADV stuff. But to think that some groups will continue to sub and distribute licensed titles is just apalling. Then again, I can understand some reluctance to wait for the US releases. Who knows how long ADV will take with Chrno Crusade and other titles?





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"Re(2):Burning Ranger get back in here" , posted Fri 11 Jun 20:51post reply


ya dude the subs are everywhere, but it's finding the earlier episodes that are hard. i found two or three different group sites that are still hosting them, but they've only got the late teen episodes, and are mainly focusing on the 20-something episodes. of course, suprnova's got the early episodes ... in French





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"Re(3):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 21:48post reply


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I just hope they don't go too far and end up cracking down on Animesuki and others who have been careful so far. You never know when they might decide that sharing is illegal, licensed in the North America or not.

ADV has been doing this for a long time, ever since digital fansubs went beyond Sailor Moon and DBZ to pretty much everything. And they've only cracked down on places distroing their titles, though it's a bit annoying that it sometimes takes them more than a year to release them. Still, Animesuki is in no danger.






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"Re(4):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 22:10post reply


Ugh, I guess I'm never going to watch anything subbed by Anime-Kraze ever again if they're going to be doing that. The unspoken rule of fansubbing has more or less been followed better lately, but by doing THIS they're seeking the wrath of lincensing companies upon the entire fansub community as a whole.

Sure, ADV can take a long time to release stuff, but they've goten faster at it lately, especially with the more popular shows. It honestly bothers me that people are risking this just because they can't wait a few months or so for a show to get released. Besides, at least they have quality work instead of putting it out as fast as possible. What happens is you end up with Anime-Junkies "quality" releases, and I don't think anyone wants to pay for that.

I think it's great that ADV did this. If they keep a better grip on the community like this, there will be less stupidity and crap releases in general.





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"Re(5):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 22:30post reply


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Ugh, I guess I'm never going to watch anything subbed by Anime-Kraze ever again if they're going to be doing that. The unspoken rule of fansubbing has more or less been followed better lately, but by doing THIS they're seeking the wrath of lincensing companies upon the entire fansub community as a whole.



Granted, I've been out of the internet's unending, multi-faceted fansubs discussion for awhile now, but I just don't understand this logic. Until a licensing company has licensed an anime, they have no rights to it. They can't punish you for violating some Japanese company's copyrights on a series; they can only punish you for violating their own copyrights to the series, which they obtain when they license it. But after they've licensed it, hardly anyone has a problem with an American company hunting down the fansubbers who continue to release their licensed series. So what possible wrath could the licensing companies have for fansubbers? The wrath of frivolous litigation that will be laughed out of court? The wrath of advising a Japanese company that they should go after the infringements on their copyrights that they already MUST be aware of, and probably have been aware of for many years?

I don't agree with the fansubbers that continue to fansub licensed series (except in the case of series that will obviously be butchered), but I don't understand this feeling of thanks toward the domestic anime translation companies for not "going after the fansub community as a whole"... as if this was something that they could do on a whim. It's like thanking a paper lion for not attacking you.





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"Re(6):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Fri 11 Jun 23:20post reply


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*snip* So what possible wrath could the licensing companies have for fansubbers? The wrath of frivolous litigation that will be laughed out of court? The wrath of advising a Japanese company that they should go after the infringements on their copyrights that they already MUST be aware of, and probably have been aware of for many years?

I don't agree with the fansubbers that continue to fansub licensed series (except in the case of series that will obviously be butchered), but I don't understand this feeling of thanks toward the domestic anime translation companies for not "going after the fansub community as a whole"... as if this was something that they could do on a whim. It's like thanking a paper lion for not attacking you.



That's exactly what they could do. They could go after individuals in a group and basically have the Japanese companies perform an RIAA of crazy magnitude (though not of actual RIAA magnitude, that'd be impossible). They could also be strict as hell and perform an RIAA themselves on anyone caught distroing licensed series (which they are doing now, almost). Essentially it boils down to disdain for fansub groups and they could just shut a group down personally for even subbing it regardless of when the material was made.

Stupid as it may sound, they could actually sue the individuals for making the fansub before they even had the rights to it. Granted it's an unlikely scenario, but it's also a real one. I don't like it either, but that's the way things go sometimes.





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"Re(7):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 00:03post reply


People still ripping and subbing series long after they've been released are just asking for it. However, I hear a lot of hate for ADV, and I just can't see why, when they're stuff is just as good as much of the fansubbing even though the translations can be a tad stiff.





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"Re(5):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 00:09post reply


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Ugh, I guess I'm never going to watch anything subbed by Anime-Kraze ever again if they're going to be doing that. The unspoken rule of fansubbing has more or less been followed better lately, but by doing THIS they're seeking the wrath of lincensing companies upon the entire fansub community as a whole.




Anime-Kraze subbed Last Exile long after it was licensed all the way to the last episode. They also continue to sub Inu Yasha.





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"Re(6):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:05post reply


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Anime-Kraze subbed Last Exile long after it was licensed all the way to the last episode. They also continue to sub Inu Yasha.


Are you trying to say that what they're doing is just? I certainly don't watch either of those fansubbed (LE I don't watch at all, and IY I only watch once in a while on CN just because it's on).





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"Re(7):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:09post reply


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Anime-Kraze subbed Last Exile long after it was licensed all the way to the last episode. They also continue to sub Inu Yasha.

Are you trying to say that what they're doing is just? I certainly don't watch either of those fansubbed (LE I don't watch at all, and IY I only watch once in a while on CN just because it's on).



well i dunno, CN is the best source of anime out there, bar none.





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"Re(6):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:13post reply


The more I look Fuchikoma's sig, the more I think it cruely lacks Kagaribi and Mizuki love.





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"Re(8):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:16post reply


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well i dunno, CN is the best source of anime out there, bar none.



Oh, I agree with you so far as it just "being there" in the US. It's free and requires little more than a basic cable package.





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"Re(7):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:20post reply


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The more I look Fuchikoma's sig, the more I think it cruely lacks Kagaribi and Mizuki love.



Well dump SS0Special and I'll do something about it actually I'm working on a remix sig with servebot.

Anyway what I was saying about Anime-Kraze... they've always subbed their titles after they were licensed... so Chrno Crusade and Paranoia Agent are no suprise. Aoi and a couple other groups continue to sub Full Metal Panic, Kaizoku just released One Piece 98 today even though 4kids has licensed it. Licensed anime will always be available to download... hell if I wanted the ADV DVD version I can download that also... in fact I just recently downloaded and burned Read or Die.





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"Re(8):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:23post reply


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... hell if I wanted the ADV DVD version I can download that also... in fact I just recently downloaded and burned Read or Die.


And you can justify doing so how? Other than the requisite "I can't afford it" or "because I can" responses, of course.





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"Re(8):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:25post reply


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hell if I wanted the ADV DVD version I can download that also... in fact I just recently downloaded and burned Read or Die.



too true. hell, why buy it when i can d-load it, right?





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"Re(8):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:39post reply


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well i dunno, CN is the best source of anime out there, bar none.



No, that would be the internet.
I'm trying to create something awesomely funny involving how the internet now has had it's status downgraded by ADV's actions, but I'm too tired to.

My friends have two opinions on the "buying" of anime:
One will buy the series that he likes, saying that it's important to support releases in NA. The other will buy ONLY the chinese pirate releases, stating that he absolutely refuses to put forth moneys that could be interpreted as the support of crappy dub jobs (he hasn't met one English dub he liked for any series he likes).

Also, our group agrees that goofy Chinese dubs beat the tar out of mediocre english dubs, clarity be damned.

I've got a semi-large rant here on this subject (subtitling and commercial releases, not Chinese dubs...), but it's quite funny and I'd rather save it for later.





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"Re(9):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:42post reply


I'm sorry if I have overlooked this answer but I wanna know...is this an issue with ADV and thei Anime or all licenced Anime?

I hope it isn't the latter since I still want to finish Fullmetal Alchemist...I mean, I will buy the DVDs when they come out but I'm on episode 32, I want to finish the series!!





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"Re(9):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:59post reply


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... hell if I wanted the ADV DVD version I can download that also... in fact I just recently downloaded and burned Read or Die.

And you can justify doing so how? Other than the requisite "I can't afford it" or "because I can" responses, of course.


I don't justify it... I wanted it, it was available for download, and I downloaded... same goes for DVD isos, PS2 isos, and roms... and so far the feds haven't busted down my door or anything. It might be different if it were actually hard to obtain these things... but it's not, so I continue to make the baby jesus cry with my theivery.





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"Re(2):Burning Ranger get back in here" , posted Sat 12 Jun 02:01post reply


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Then again, I can understand some reluctance to wait for the US releases. Who knows how long ADV will take with Chrno Crusade and other titles?



I think scanlations of Hana Yori Dango stopped somewhere around volume 35, before the series ended. I heard that it was going to end not long after (maybe one or two volumes? maybe less?).

In any event, even if Viz (licenser) were to release HYD at the prodigious rate of 1 volume a month, it would take THREE WHOLE YEARS to catch back up to the point where the scanalations stopped. I think that the whole "I can't wait" "excuse" (whoa mad quotations) (fug, gotta stop with the parenthesis) (dammit.) sounds just a lot more reasonable in cases like this.





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"Re(9):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 02:47post reply


quote:

well i dunno, CN is the best source of anime out there, bar none.


No, that would be the internet.
I'm trying to create something awesomely funny involving how the internet now has had it's status downgraded by ADV's actions, but I'm too tired to.

My friends have two opinions on the "buying" of anime:
One will buy the series that he likes, saying that it's important to support releases in NA. The other will buy ONLY the chinese pirate releases, stating that he absolutely refuses to put forth moneys that could be interpreted as the support of crappy dub jobs (he hasn't met one English dub he liked for any series he likes).

Also, our group agrees that goofy Chinese dubs beat the tar out of mediocre english dubs, clarity be damned.

I've got a semi-large rant here on this subject (subtitling and commercial releases, not Chinese dubs...), but it's quite funny and I'd rather save it for later.



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"That's no good....." , posted Sat 12 Jun 08:15post reply


Well, I have shown my stances on other posts of the like.....

For example if I steal aples I don't go screaming on the streets 'you got no proofs, you can't catch me, ńańa-ńa ńa!!!' or if I ever told someone 'Hey, last month I stealed some apples' I don't want him to scream 'POLICE!!! Arrest this commoner!!!' to the four winds...

So, I rather save my own guilt, my own remorse and have my very own fears pursue me to my grave... Save my very own skeletons on my very own closet. And save the topic it self under a tight lock, so no people has to fight over it again

It's ironical how you can find tons of free mp3s, movies and games, may they be legal or illegal; but if you want to actually look up for some interesting things as art reviews, books and 'self learning courses' you have to be a magician; 'Screw you tommy, the young people doesn't like these things, we don't rip/dub shit'.

For the record here in sudamerica your only choice is chinese DVDs, because US release just don't make it outside the US.







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"*cough cough*" , posted Sat 12 Jun 08:55post reply


This is the same damn argument about all copyrighted forms of entertainment online. Remember all the hubbub about ROMS being online? I remember when Nintendo went on their crusade to rid the net of all their roms...only to re-release those same NES for $20 a pop on the GBA. The same with ADV trying to secure its titles so it can secure a profit in DVD sales (or attempt to).

Now, from a legal standpoint, these companies have a right to do this. This is their intellectual property. How they respond, however, is something else. Take the RIAA for example... they've become the equivalent of Nazi's in their quest to purge the world of P2P and Mp3s. Here they waste buku amounts of money to try to stop online piracy--on top of the 'losses' they lose every year from lack of CD sales. When you think about it, wouldn't it have been smarter to just let this battle go? Let it go and adapt to changing times... maybe charge less for CDs?

The same with ADV's actions--couldn't they just adapt and maybe release a superior product... maybe give buyers something that the fansubs won't give them? Lately, they've tried with those collector sets--but sometimes a free T-shirt just won't cut it. Also consider the price. At release, an ADV title (usually one volume out of many) will cost between $25-$30. Compare this to a Hollywood movie DVD which on the first week of release can cost between $15-$22. Also consider that in a lot of cases, ADV sells volumes in a series. At $25-30 per volume, the cost will add up. My Bubblegum Crisis 2040 DVD set cost me in excess of over $140 for all 6 volumes. And only rarely will ADV release collections (Only after I bought all 6 BGC2040 volumes did ADV release a $60 BGC premium collection).

But I guess, this is all small compared to the bigger picture. Personally, I'm convinced of a widespread capitalist ideology that everyone has. Everyone wants to maximize their gains while minimizing losses. The companies want to maximize profits, so they go after fansubs. Some viewers want a lot of anime, but don't want to pay.





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"Re(1):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 10:58post reply


I really don't understand why their whining about this. I bet most people who watch fansubbed anime buy it on dvd because you get it in the best quality picture, get extra's, and get it in english and japanese. And every fansubbed anime series I've downloading I pick up on dvd once it comes out.

Also didn't fansubbing exist even before the internet was mainstream? If it weren't for these old school fansubbers, I doubt anime wouldn be as popular outside of Japan as it is today, if it weren't for them what would the american anime industry be like?

But what do I know.... just putting in my two cents.






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"Re(2):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 11:36post reply


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Also didn't fansubbing exist even before the internet was mainstream? If it weren't for these old school fansubbers, I doubt anime wouldn be as popular outside of Japan as it is today, if it weren't for them what would the american anime industry be like?

But what do I know.... just putting in my two cents.



This comment is WAY to US related. We in sudamerica had tons of anime before even the interenet come out; we got a nice dubber studio that dubbed the series and sold them nicely to the TV, we get to watch almost every neat classic.... Same goes for europe, Italy & France are well know because they broadcasted WAY to many stuff.

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"Re(3):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 11:47post reply


quote:

This comment is WAY to US related. We in sudamerica had tons of anime before even the interenet come out; we got a nice dubber studio that dubbed the series and sold them nicely to the TV, we get to watch almost every neat classic.... Same goes for europe, Italy & France are well know because they broadcasted WAY to many stuff.



Indeed, this is very true. I remember as a kid going to Spain and seeing Japanese stuff on TV. Caballeros Del Zodiaco was a popular series there, but in the US, we're just now discovering and getting it as Saint Seiya.

With the US, the industry only really picked up when companies realized they can make a lot of money with it. Popularity of Anime didn't begin with fansubs--it began when some corporate bigwigs learned they can make a lot of profit on Dragonball and Pokemon. Why else do you see these kinds of shows in mainstream television and not others... Corporate entities will only put anime on TV that is most profitable. And surely, the same holds true for Anime--but some anime publishers in the US believe that anything with big eyes will sell... and therefore license all they can.

I guess I'm just anti-establishment, that's all





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"Re(4):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 11:59post reply


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I guess I'm just anti-establishment, that's all



Don't see such clever comments as a bad thing..... It's the system the one that's awfully corrupted and needs to be destroyed XD







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"Re(4):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 13:08post reply


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Saint Seiya.




Around here it gets called Knights of the Zodiac.





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"Re(5):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 15:46post reply


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Saint Seiya.



Around here it gets called Knights of the Zodiac.


where do you live? in the states, one company (DiC?) released it as Knights of the Zodiac. i think its that same work that they show/showed on Cartoon Network. but ADV also picked it up and kept it as Saint Seiya


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Caballeros Del Zodiaco was a popular series there, but in the US, we're just now discovering and getting it as Saint Seiya.

i thought Saint Seiya was the original Japanese name. or was it something else?

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"Re(6):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 18:01post reply


I had a response posted, but it got too big so I shot it dead.





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"My 2 en" , posted Sat 12 Jun 21:01post reply


Okay! Here's my two en. Ha ha ha!

Can ADV do anime? Depends on what aspects you're asking for. If we're talking about getting good series, the answer is yes. If we're talking about how they handle originals of anime series, until I see the translations of Ousaka's lines, I have to say "to a degree", which is not the same answer as "yes". It's more like "maybe". (If you want to see a "yes" here, they better make her translated lines in world-wide English or you'll see the answer for my next scenario.) If we're talking about dubs, they're inconsistent. Oh sure, I think Kain of" Lost Universe" sounds okay, but Akito of "Nadeisco" sounds...pathetic. Not convinced? In "Bubblegum Crisis's" television series, Priss's is good I suppose, but Lina's is not that great.

As for Kraze, I only get their fan subbed material. The last unethical fan sub series I got from them as well as unethical fan sub series for that matter is "Samurai Champloo". The only reason I did this was to check each version of first episodes and see if I need to keep having my dose of "Samurai Champloo" weekly or if I should wait. Honestly, I'd rather do the latter and you people should do that too because the groups are either too inconsistent or they were never good right from the start.

So, I'm stopping at 2 not because it's a bad series per se, though I say that the music is tolerable. It's because the groups can't make a version where it'll match Pioneer's version. I mean, Geneon's. Side note: even though I like Kraze's stuff, despite doing well in every category, for a high quality group, they made too many mistakes in their first episode; thus I wouldn't really recommend theirs strongly. I'd only tell people to get this version if they like their scripts to be sassy.

For Nintendo's gig, what they did was a blessing and a bother. You may disagree, but will they ever release games like "Contra" and "Doki Doki Panic" again? "Contra", I'd give it three years at most. "Doki Doki Panic", don't count on it.

CN, the best station to show anime if we're not dealing with the Internet? Have you guys seen the International Channel? As far as I know, it's the only station to show subtitled anime as well as raws (though they haven't done that as of late). Can any other station do that pair of tasks? No.





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"Re(1):*cough cough*" , posted Sat 12 Jun 22:19post reply


About the RIAA: Half the scientists in a room say illegal downloads are bad for the music industry. The other half of scientists say its actually helping the music industry. I personally believe its helping the music industry because MP3s are actually letting people get to know more types of music. Its the 'new radio'.

What the RIAA is afraid of is losing distribution control and listener control. If there were no internet, the RIAA would have almost total control over what people listen and buy in the US. Yes, indy (non-RIAA) music exists, but its underground, hard to get to.

So the absolutely funny thing we're gonna see in the next decade is the eventual decline and minimization of the RIAA. The RIAA is fighting against a better future. Its gonna be funny watching this.

As for anime. Someone argued that anime costs more then regular Hollywood movies and that's bad. Well, anime has extra costs such as the licensing and the subbing/dubbing, plus anime has a much smaller audience so there has to be a markup to offset that.

The thing some people forget though, is that we are all hardcore fans of niche products. And because of that, we have to deal with higher then average prices (because price is offset by the number of units sold). We also have to deal with delays and limited releases. And with crooked companies. All of this is compounded because we like these niche products. So my point? Its just part of being in the hardcore minority.

Maybe that's should be my new catch phrase: Its just part of being in the hardcore minority.






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"Re(6):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sun 13 Jun 03:00:post reply


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Caballeros Del Zodiaco was a popular series there, but in the US, we're just now discovering and getting it as Saint Seiya.


i thought Saint Seiya was the original Japanese name. or was it something else?

PEGASUS FANTASY!



LOL yeah Knights of the Zodiac is a title that was used outside of Japan for the series otherwise known as Saint SeiyaADV has done a really good job on the series. The dub is even better. Pegasus Yuseiken!





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"Re(2):*cough cough*" , posted Sun 13 Jun 08:21post reply


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What the RIAA is afraid of is losing distribution control and listener control. If there were no internet, the RIAA would have almost total control over what people listen and buy in the US. Yes, indy (non-RIAA) music exists, but its underground, hard to get to.



I'll agree with this--the music industry controls what the masses listens to. Radio Stations are the obvious examples. Even MTV too--TRL playlists really aren't chosen by listeners, but by corporate entities that are teling us what is #1 and what is hot and not. Hell, even MTV has lost its way, bowing to corporate interests and showing us Entertainment rather than music. Anyone remember when MTV actually had music on it? I do.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Look at TV, sports, movies, etc etc.





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"Re(3):*cough cough*" , posted Sun 13 Jun 13:39post reply


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I'll agree with this--the music industry controls what the masses listens to. Radio Stations are the obvious examples. Even MTV too--TRL playlists really aren't chosen by listeners, but by corporate entities that are teling us what is #1 and what is hot and not. Hell, even MTV has lost its way, bowing to corporate interests and showing us Entertainment rather than music. Anyone remember when MTV actually had music on it? I do.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Look at TV, sports, movies, etc etc.

Exactly. MTV's lost its way a long, long time ago. It's just the same greased-up celebrities, stupid high school bullshit, "reality" shows, and spring break specials. No more music. They had to divide like bacteria and make another channel just to play music... and even THAT channel is starting to have shows creep into the lineup. MTV is full of shit in every way. Don't watch it, it's poisonous and bad for your health. Too much forced hipness, popularity contests, and mind control in terms of what we're supposed to like. Blech.

"Just because the word 'music' is in the name, doesn't make it true."