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| DarkZero 821th Post
 
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|  "Re(5):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites"
, posted Fri 11 Jun 22:30
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Ugh, I guess I'm never going to watch anything subbed by Anime-Kraze ever again if they're going to be doing that. The unspoken rule of fansubbing has more or less been followed better lately, but by doing THIS they're seeking the wrath of lincensing companies upon the entire fansub community as a whole.
Granted, I've been out of the internet's unending, multi-faceted fansubs discussion for awhile now, but I just don't understand this logic. Until a licensing company has licensed an anime, they have no rights to it. They can't punish you for violating some Japanese company's copyrights on a series; they can only punish you for violating their own copyrights to the series, which they obtain when they license it. But after they've licensed it, hardly anyone has a problem with an American company hunting down the fansubbers who continue to release their licensed series. So what possible wrath could the licensing companies have for fansubbers? The wrath of frivolous litigation that will be laughed out of court? The wrath of advising a Japanese company that they should go after the infringements on their copyrights that they already MUST be aware of, and probably have been aware of for many years?
I don't agree with the fansubbers that continue to fansub licensed series (except in the case of series that will obviously be butchered), but I don't understand this feeling of thanks toward the domestic anime translation companies for not "going after the fansub community as a whole"... as if this was something that they could do on a whim. It's like thanking a paper lion for not attacking you.
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| Spoon 450th Post
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| "Re(8):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 01:39
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well i dunno, CN is the best source of anime out there, bar none.
No, that would be the internet.
I'm trying to create something awesomely funny involving how the internet now has had it's status downgraded by ADV's actions, but I'm too tired to.
My friends have two opinions on the "buying" of anime:
One will buy the series that he likes, saying that it's important to support releases in NA. The other will buy ONLY the chinese pirate releases, stating that he absolutely refuses to put forth moneys that could be interpreted as the support of crappy dub jobs (he hasn't met one English dub he liked for any series he likes).
Also, our group agrees that goofy Chinese dubs beat the tar out of mediocre english dubs, clarity be damned.
I've got a semi-large rant here on this subject (subtitling and commercial releases, not Chinese dubs...), but it's quite funny and I'd rather save it for later.
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| Hagen de Merak 664th Post
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| "Re(9):ADVision cracks down on torrent sites" , posted Sat 12 Jun 02:47
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well i dunno, CN is the best source of anime out there, bar none.
No, that would be the internet.
I'm trying to create something awesomely funny involving how the internet now has had it's status downgraded by ADV's actions, but I'm too tired to.
My friends have two opinions on the "buying" of anime:
One will buy the series that he likes, saying that it's important to support releases in NA. The other will buy ONLY the chinese pirate releases, stating that he absolutely refuses to put forth moneys that could be interpreted as the support of crappy dub jobs (he hasn't met one English dub he liked for any series he likes).
Also, our group agrees that goofy Chinese dubs beat the tar out of mediocre english dubs, clarity be damned.
I've got a semi-large rant here on this subject (subtitling and commercial releases, not Chinese dubs...), but it's quite funny and I'd rather save it for later.
kent, i'd be lying if i said my men we'rent commiting crimes.
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| Toxico 3704th Post
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|  "That's no good....."
, posted Sat 12 Jun 08:15
Well, I have shown my stances on other posts of the like.....
For example if I steal aples I don't go screaming on the streets 'you got no proofs, you can't catch me, ńańa-ńa ńa!!!' or if I ever told someone 'Hey, last month I stealed some apples' I don't want him to scream 'POLICE!!! Arrest this commoner!!!' to the four winds...
So, I rather save my own guilt, my own remorse and have my very own fears pursue me to my grave... Save my very own skeletons on my very own closet. And save the topic it self under a tight lock, so no people has to fight over it again
It's ironical how you can find tons of free mp3s, movies and games, may they be legal or illegal; but if you want to actually look up for some interesting things as art reviews, books and 'self learning courses' you have to be a magician; 'Screw you tommy, the young people doesn't like these things, we don't rip/dub shit'.
For the record here in sudamerica your only choice is chinese DVDs, because US release just don't make it outside the US.
Tekkenshu -> Los movimientos que nunca existieron y siempre quisistes tener!
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| Burning Ranger 813th Post
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| "*cough cough*" , posted Sat 12 Jun 08:55
This is the same damn argument about all copyrighted forms of entertainment online. Remember all the hubbub about ROMS being online? I remember when Nintendo went on their crusade to rid the net of all their roms...only to re-release those same NES for $20 a pop on the GBA. The same with ADV trying to secure its titles so it can secure a profit in DVD sales (or attempt to).
Now, from a legal standpoint, these companies have a right to do this. This is their intellectual property. How they respond, however, is something else. Take the RIAA for example... they've become the equivalent of Nazi's in their quest to purge the world of P2P and Mp3s. Here they waste buku amounts of money to try to stop online piracy--on top of the 'losses' they lose every year from lack of CD sales. When you think about it, wouldn't it have been smarter to just let this battle go? Let it go and adapt to changing times... maybe charge less for CDs?
The same with ADV's actions--couldn't they just adapt and maybe release a superior product... maybe give buyers something that the fansubs won't give them? Lately, they've tried with those collector sets--but sometimes a free T-shirt just won't cut it. Also consider the price. At release, an ADV title (usually one volume out of many) will cost between $25-$30. Compare this to a Hollywood movie DVD which on the first week of release can cost between $15-$22. Also consider that in a lot of cases, ADV sells volumes in a series. At $25-30 per volume, the cost will add up. My Bubblegum Crisis 2040 DVD set cost me in excess of over $140 for all 6 volumes. And only rarely will ADV release collections (Only after I bought all 6 BGC2040 volumes did ADV release a $60 BGC premium collection).
But I guess, this is all small compared to the bigger picture. Personally, I'm convinced of a widespread capitalist ideology that everyone has. Everyone wants to maximize their gains while minimizing losses. The companies want to maximize profits, so they go after fansubs. Some viewers want a lot of anime, but don't want to pay.
Advanced Cyborg E. Branger AKA Burning Ranger
"Never underestimate the predictabilty of stupidity." -Vinnie Jones from SNATCH
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| Jazzie D 2331th Post
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| "My 2 en" , posted Sat 12 Jun 21:01
Okay! Here's my two en. Ha ha ha!
Can ADV do anime? Depends on what aspects you're asking for. If we're talking about getting good series, the answer is yes. If we're talking about how they handle originals of anime series, until I see the translations of Ousaka's lines, I have to say "to a degree", which is not the same answer as "yes". It's more like "maybe". (If you want to see a "yes" here, they better make her translated lines in world-wide English or you'll see the answer for my next scenario.) If we're talking about dubs, they're inconsistent. Oh sure, I think Kain of" Lost Universe" sounds okay, but Akito of "Nadeisco" sounds...pathetic. Not convinced? In "Bubblegum Crisis's" television series, Priss's is good I suppose, but Lina's is not that great.
As for Kraze, I only get their fan subbed material. The last unethical fan sub series I got from them as well as unethical fan sub series for that matter is "Samurai Champloo". The only reason I did this was to check each version of first episodes and see if I need to keep having my dose of "Samurai Champloo" weekly or if I should wait. Honestly, I'd rather do the latter and you people should do that too because the groups are either too inconsistent or they were never good right from the start.
So, I'm stopping at 2 not because it's a bad series per se, though I say that the music is tolerable. It's because the groups can't make a version where it'll match Pioneer's version. I mean, Geneon's. Side note: even though I like Kraze's stuff, despite doing well in every category, for a high quality group, they made too many mistakes in their first episode; thus I wouldn't really recommend theirs strongly. I'd only tell people to get this version if they like their scripts to be sassy.
For Nintendo's gig, what they did was a blessing and a bother. You may disagree, but will they ever release games like "Contra" and "Doki Doki Panic" again? "Contra", I'd give it three years at most. "Doki Doki Panic", don't count on it.
CN, the best station to show anime if we're not dealing with the Internet? Have you guys seen the International Channel? As far as I know, it's the only station to show subtitled anime as well as raws (though they haven't done that as of late). Can any other station do that pair of tasks? No.
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| Burning Ranger 819th Post
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| "Re(2):*cough cough*" , posted Sun 13 Jun 08:21
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What the RIAA is afraid of is losing distribution control and listener control. If there were no internet, the RIAA would have almost total control over what people listen and buy in the US. Yes, indy (non-RIAA) music exists, but its underground, hard to get to.
I'll agree with this--the music industry controls what the masses listens to. Radio Stations are the obvious examples. Even MTV too--TRL playlists really aren't chosen by listeners, but by corporate entities that are teling us what is #1 and what is hot and not. Hell, even MTV has lost its way, bowing to corporate interests and showing us Entertainment rather than music. Anyone remember when MTV actually had music on it? I do.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Look at TV, sports, movies, etc etc.
Advanced Cyborg E. Branger AKA Burning Ranger
"Never underestimate the predictabilty of stupidity." -Vinnie Jones from SNATCH
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| Undead Fred 1686th Post
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| "Re(3):*cough cough*" , posted Sun 13 Jun 13:39
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I'll agree with this--the music industry controls what the masses listens to. Radio Stations are the obvious examples. Even MTV too--TRL playlists really aren't chosen by listeners, but by corporate entities that are teling us what is #1 and what is hot and not. Hell, even MTV has lost its way, bowing to corporate interests and showing us Entertainment rather than music. Anyone remember when MTV actually had music on it? I do.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Look at TV, sports, movies, etc etc.
Exactly. MTV's lost its way a long, long time ago. It's just the same greased-up celebrities, stupid high school bullshit, "reality" shows, and spring break specials. No more music. They had to divide like bacteria and make another channel just to play music... and even THAT channel is starting to have shows creep into the lineup. MTV is full of shit in every way. Don't watch it, it's poisonous and bad for your health. Too much forced hipness, popularity contests, and mind control in terms of what we're supposed to like. Blech.
"Just because the word 'music' is in the name, doesn't make it true."
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