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"'Grand Theft' sex content reviewed" , posted Sun 10 Jul 05:46post reply

Pulled from CNN.

I doubt this review will get very far since it's based around a mod to GTA. But there was one line in the article that confused me a bit:

There have been instances where ESRB has discovered undisclosed content in a video game and changed a rating, said an ESRB spokesman, who declined further comment on the current investigation.

When did this happen? Also, is the "undisclosed content" things that weren't initially presented to the ESRB board or code that was in the game but couldn't be accessed through regular means of playing the game?






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"Re(1):'Grand Theft' sex content reviewed" , posted Sun 10 Jul 05:49post reply

Blame Leland Yee. He's hellbent on getting the PC version of GTA San Andreas upgraded to an AO rating and calling it a porno game based on this mod alone. He claims this sexual content was hidden within the game's code and the mod was able to unlock it.

I suggest the rating not change because you could not access the extra sexual content if you just played it by itself.





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"Re(1):'Grand Theft' sex content reviewed" , posted Sun 10 Jul 13:34post reply

quote:
Pulled from CNN.

I doubt this review will get very far since it's based around a mod to GTA. But there was one line in the article that confused me a bit:

There have been instances where ESRB has discovered undisclosed content in a video game and changed a rating, said an ESRB spokesman, who declined further comment on the current investigation.

When did this happen? Also, is the "undisclosed content" things that weren't initially presented to the ESRB board or code that was in the game but couldn't be accessed through regular means of playing the game?



I remembered that this "hidden mode" of GTA:SA was revealed on G4's attack of the show. It's really crude because if I remember correctly, they're all clothed and amounts to nothing more than dryhumping.

Still, that ESRB business is ridiculous.





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"Re(2):'Grand Theft' sex content reviewed" , posted Mon 11 Jul 14:30post reply

Well so far all signs point to that it was not really a "mod" because the scripting and graphics appear to be in-game. All the voice-work of "gettin it on'" were recorded by Rock Star.

Most likely they stuck it in the game and were thinking about including it but didn't have the balls and left it out to get a Mature rating. Obviously they didn't count on people poking around and discovering the hidden code.





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"Re(3):'Grand Theft' sex content reviewed" , posted Mon 11 Jul 15:17post reply

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Well so far all signs point to that it was not really a "mod" because the scripting and graphics appear to be in-game. All the voice-work of "gettin it on'" were recorded by Rock Star.

Most likely they stuck it in the game and were thinking about including it but didn't have the balls and left it out to get a Mature rating. Obviously they didn't count on people poking around and discovering the hidden code.



Granted, the normal game content isn't permissable for minors, let alone this addition (whatever it may be) I still fail to see how it changes the rating. When CJ takes a girl back to their house after several dates and "goes inside", there's still innuendo a six year old would understand as sex. The pictures of sex scenes in GTA:SA look no worse than, say, the sex scenes in the recent rated R hit movie, Sideways. They seem equally comical in their timing.

I remember a time when getting into rated R movies only required a parent's permission at the box office. Then it gradually turned into a necessary parent escort with the minors into the film. Eventually, it turned into a sort of "no more than three kids to a parent" ratio at certain theaters.
This is going somewhere.
I think that sort of mental pause a parent goes through when allowing kids into such a movie, let alone the next step of sitting through the film with them needs to be applied to videogames with M ratings. At least force some reminders upon parental-looking shoppers purchasing M-rated titles. If the clearly-posted ESRB ratings systems in every games store aren't catching the eye of the consumers, something needs to get through.

This isn't a big deal. At least, it shouldn't be and doesn't have to continue to be.





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"Re(1):'Grand Theft' sex content reviewed" , posted Mon 11 Jul 15:44post reply

quote:
Also, is the "undisclosed content" things that weren't initially presented to the ESRB board or code that was in the game but couldn't be accessed through regular means of playing the game?



The ESRB does not play the game.

When a company submits a game to ESRB they basically provide the ESRB with a video showing what the game's content is like. So, for instnace, if the GTA video showed lots of violence and such but DIDN'T show sex with hookers that would be a bad thing.





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"AO bump" , posted Thu 21 Jul 09:38post reply

Pulled from CNN is the news that GTA:SA has been retroactively labeled AO. Rockstar would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling modders.





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"Re(1):AO bump" , posted Thu 21 Jul 10:39post reply

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Pulled from CNN is the news that GTA:SA has been retroactively labeled AO. Rockstar would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling modders.



Does this mean that this game will be 'rare' and hard to buy at game stores? Will we see original versions of the game go for $70+ on Ebay?

All joking aside, I wonder what kind of precedent this sets for other games, even those that don't have hidden content but can be modded to have explicit content (DOAXVB? HalfLife2?)





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"Re(2):AO bump" , posted Thu 21 Jul 11:42post reply

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Pulled from CNN is the news that GTA:SA has been retroactively labeled AO.
OH MY GOD GTA'S GOT SEX AND VIOLENCE?!? This is controversy!

And I don't think they should change the ratings system at all. It's clearly marked and detailed, so it's up to the parents to pull their heads out of their asses.





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"Re(3):AO bump" , posted Thu 21 Jul 13:46post reply

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And I don't think they should change the ratings system at all. It's clearly marked and detailed, so it's up to the parents to pull their heads out of their asses.



That will never happen. Their arses are deeper than the deepest abyss known to man.






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"Re(3):AO bump" , posted Thu 21 Jul 22:45post reply

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Pulled from CNN is the news that GTA:SA has been retroactively labeled AO.OH MY GOD GTA'S GOT SEX AND VIOLENCE?!? This is controversy!

And I don't think they should change the ratings system at all. It's clearly marked and detailed, so it's up to the parents to pull their heads out of their asses.



Hahaha, I agree. I've watched parents buy GTA:SA for their 6 year old kids after I gave them a 15 minute speech about how its filled with bad language and violent content and advised them to at least sit down with their kid and watch the first 15 minutes of the game. Nooooooooooooooo they don't want to listen to me. Stupid parents





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"AO hump" , posted Thu 21 Jul 23:11post reply

I can't stop thinking that this was a marketing strategy to make the game more popular... a new low in game industry promotion standards.





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"Re(3):AO bump" , posted Fri 22 Jul 00:09post reply

quote:

And I don't think they should change the ratings system at all. It's clearly marked and detailed, so it's up to the parents to pull their heads out of their asses.



Agreed. Also consider that these days, parents are usually those who have already been exposed so some form of violent media and/or video games (Atari, NES) themselves. They might not see such a problem with violent content (or are studpid) and would have have no problem about buying a game for their kid. Think of it as a domino effect.





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"Re(4):AO bump" , posted Fri 22 Jul 01:54post reply

quote:

And I don't think they should change the ratings system at all. It's clearly marked and detailed, so it's up to the parents to pull their heads out of their asses.


Agreed. Also consider that these days, parents are usually those who have already been exposed so some form of violent media and/or video games (Atari, NES) themselves. They might not see such a problem with violent content (or are studpid) and would have have no problem about buying a game for their kid. Think of it as a domino effect.



Not really, Most parents are so clueless as to what their kids do and play its amazing. They'll buy them GTA:SA for 2 reasons. 1. It'll shut their kid up, 2. They don't really know what they are buy. During the christmas season you'd be amazed at how many parents come in wanting something and no having a single clue as to what they are getting and grandparents are usually much worse. It really isnt' that hard to just ask the associate at any store you go to what he or she would recommend for a child of a certain age group and get a semi decent response but very few parents do, crap very few parents realize there are ratings on the games themselves.





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"Re(5):AO bump" , posted Fri 22 Jul 10:48post reply

Let's not lump parents into one giant collective here. Some care and some don't. The bottom line is: the ones that don't care are the ones that should NEVER be catered to.





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"What did I miss?" , posted Fri 22 Jul 11:02post reply

So I just got back from Japan and I find this. Is this sex patch also with a nude patch or is it people doing humping or BJ animations with their clothes on?

To be honest, I think the GTA series should go AO or atleast the next one to test the market. I think it has the audience to still sell strong and the little kiddies can use the internet to shop around and just tell their parents they want to buy a game online and use their credit cards, as usual, parents won't care and think it is nothing too bad.





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"Re(6):AO bump" , posted Fri 22 Jul 12:27post reply

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Let's not lump parents into one giant collective here. Some care and some don't. The bottom line is: the ones that don't care are the ones that should NEVER be catered to.



I didn't mean to lump all parents together.There are some parents who refuse to buy their kids any teen games until they are actually teenagers. There are some parents that will buy their kid SA and sit there and watch them play and make sure that their kids don't get any wrong ideas in their head. But those parents are sadly few and far between.

Anyway, today they pulled all the GTA:SA's from Circuit City shelves...and now it has an undetermined release date. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll take out the content and add some new stuff.....hahahahahahahah who am I kidding....





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"Re(1):AO hump" , posted Sat 23 Jul 12:18post reply

quote:
I can't stop thinking that this was a marketing strategy to make the game more popular... a new low in game industry promotion standards.



Good eye. It's just late enough after the release that such "easter eggs" of (imagine bigger quotation marks) "mistakes" would boost sales again.

Is it ironic that the very person I bought this game from at Gamestop was on the local news talking about their store changing copies?
At least the local news found some clean-cut twenty-somethings playing holier-than-thou with the violent games issue. (Also while it SHOCKS the audience by reminding us they're the target market for games, now.)





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"Sims under fire..." , posted Sat 23 Jul 12:27post reply

First San Andreas, now Sims 2 is under fire!

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html

It's going to spiral out of control. This whole thing is.





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"Re(1):Sims under fire..." , posted Sat 23 Jul 14:16post reply

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First San Andreas, now Sims 2 is under fire!

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html

It's going to spiral out of control. This whole thing is.



Uh... okay. This guy thinks he's Perry Mason or something. Someone should direct this guy to the Accidental VG Porn archive. I'm sure he'll work himself to death over it.





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"Re(2):Sims under fire..." , posted Sat 23 Jul 18:27post reply

Really now... what bull shit crap is this? I can very remotely see putting an AO rating on GTA:SA (although I still think that is crap, but I can kinda understand where those bastards are coming from even if I don't like it) but the Sims 2? I'm not a big fan of the Sims games, but my younger sister loves the series and whenever I visit home and am really bored, I play the game til it gets boring just like I did Sims 1. EA made a good point, even if you remove the fucking blur, all it is the same as some children's doll. I mean, come on you fucked up crusaders against games, what's next? How about you fucktards go attack Mario for being steorotype of Italians? You all know every fucking game is a some gaming corporation conspiracy against your "family values". Man, all this makes me sick. Out of all forms of media, video games are one of the most tame. Plenty of super violent movies depecting all sorts of crap out there. Before that, all sorts of stories in books telling about all sorts of crap out there too. What about pictures also? Plenty of bad pictures out there too. I bet they're all some plot against you Mr Jack Thompson. They are all "gleefully" spreading their evil values in your fucking utopian world. I know! Why don't we just ban any form of artisctic freedom? That way no one can be fucking offended! Happy?!
NOTE: Very sleepy and hungry. So my apologizes if my language is harsh. But this type of stuff sickens me. They get one victory and try and use it to gain steam for other crap. Worst part is sometimes it works, and that is one scenario I don't want to think about.






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"Or..." , posted Sun 24 Jul 00:00post reply

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Plenty of bad pictures out there too. I bet they're all some plot against you Mr Jack Thompson. They are all "gleefully" spreading their evil values in your fucking utopian world.



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Or... he's just mad because they didn't have video games when Thompson was a kid, and he figures that if he couldn't play games when he was a kid, no one should...
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In other news, it looks like GTA:SA is pulling in $100+ on E-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8205559691&category=62053&rd=1

Could this be the rival to Radiant Silvergun?





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"Re(3):Sims under fire..." , posted Sun 24 Jul 21:00post reply

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Really now... what bull shit crap is this?



Exactly.

"EA is 'cooperating, gleefully, with the mod' community to turn Sims 2 into a porn offering.'"

What in the flying fuck is he talking about? This guy seems like he's just getting greedy now.





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"Re(1):Or..." , posted Sun 24 Jul 23:52post reply

quote:
In other news, it looks like GTA:SA is pulling in $100+ on E-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8205559691&category=62053&rd=1
Oy... that just makes me sick. I can hardly imagine how pathetic that is to buy that game strictly for the sex game.





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"Re(2):Or..." , posted Tue 26 Jul 05:15post reply

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Oy... that just makes me sick. I can hardly imagine how pathetic that is to buy that game strictly for the sex game.



I don't think they're buying it 'strickly for the sex game'... I think they're buying it expecting it to be worth an assload of money in a few years since it's a "rare item"

Granted it's only rare if it's unopened, there are literally millions of opened copies but most of the ones on eBay are being sold as "NEW UNOPENED MIB"

So to a sepectator this is worth some money because:
-It's the 'orginal version' (although I'm sure it's actually revision as so many copies have been pressed they've probably made a few running changes) still marked "M" on the box
-It's the first game to have it's rating changed
-It could be the first step in the Goverments massive wave of attempting to/out right destroying freedom of speach in videogames making it an important milestone in the culture war to come.
-It's mint in the box!!

It's like buying "the Death of Superman" comic when it first came out. You think "oh this gonna be worth a lot! An icon died!!!" but then later you find out millions of millions of copies were made and when the hype died down no one wanted it any more... it's only worth something to other spectators who think "OH! That HAS to be worth something in the future!" so it keeps passing hands selling for more and more not because it has real worth, but because people think it will gain a real worth and want to profit from it.

and speaking of GTA:SA, I had to work in electronics the yesterday because apparently I destroyed the Photo machine (GOOOOOOOOO BAGHEAD!) and a mom comes in looking for the game for her son... K-Mart had already sent it's copies back and I explained it to her, but let's play "guess why her son suddenly wanted GTA:SA"!!! was it:
A-He legitmately wanted to play the game and was worried if he didn't get it now he'd never get a chance
B-He wanted to see the 'hot sexy action' that's not hot or sexy
C-He wanted to sell it on eBay

I'm guessing B or C myself.






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"Re(2):Or..." , posted Thu 28 Jul 00:06post reply

THE SIMS IS THE DEVIL.





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"Re(3):Or..." , posted Thu 28 Jul 00:34post reply

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THE SIMS IS THE DEVIL.



That's funny =) hahahaha... I love the icons on the top...





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"Re(4):Or..." , posted Thu 28 Jul 01:44:post reply

Do they still sell the game in Canada? (US Fed law doesn't apply here, fortunately!) I'll have to check at my local store... (not that I care about it, I have the game)

Different issue, but it was kinda funny to see ALL the games from the stores where I live getting removed from the shelves last year (or was it 2 years ago already?). The reason? There's a law in the province of Quebec that says that the manual and cover of the game have to be available in both English and French. (The law does not apply to games only, but it's a violation of that law to sell a game without those conditions met) Since very few game companies were doing it at the time, the stores had to basically remove all games from their shelves... (I didn't care much, since I'm on the border with Ontario, I just had to drive 2 miles longer to buy my games...) What they do now is they include a black and white version of the manual in (often poorly translated) French along with the game, put a bilingual sleeve and seal the whole stuff in plastic (easier for them than to open each box and add the manual...)





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"Grandmother sues . . ." , posted Fri 29 Jul 01:08post reply

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/331981p-283686c.html

What kind of damages were there?

"OMG my grandson saw that crappy looking sex mini-game! I was trying to raise him to be a good boy!"

I am sure if you looked at the kid's IE history you would find tons of porn sites.





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"Re(3):Sims under fire..." , posted Fri 29 Jul 02:25post reply

quote:
Really now... what bull shit crap is this? I can very remotely see putting an AO rating on GTA:SA (although I still think that is crap, but I can kinda understand where those bastards are coming from even if I don't like it) but the Sims 2? I'm not a big fan of the Sims games, but my younger sister loves the series and whenever I visit home and am really bored, I play the game til it gets boring just like I did Sims 1. EA made a good point, even if you remove the fucking blur, all it is the same as some children's doll. I mean, come on you fucked up crusaders against games, what's next? How about you fucktards go attack Mario for being steorotype of Italians? You all know every fucking game is a some gaming corporation conspiracy against your "family values". Man, all this makes me sick. Out of all forms of media, video games are one of the most tame. Plenty of super violent movies depecting all sorts of crap out there. Before that, all sorts of stories in books telling about all sorts of crap out there too. What about pictures also? Plenty of bad pictures out there too. I bet they're all some plot against you Mr Jack Thompson. They are all "gleefully" spreading their evil values in your fucking utopian world. I know! Why don't we just ban any form of artisctic freedom? That way no one can be fucking offended! Happy?!
NOTE: Very sleepy and hungry. So my apologizes if my language is harsh. But this type of stuff sickens me. They get one victory and try and use it to gain steam for other crap. Worst part is sometimes it works, and that is one scenario I don't want to think about.



According to his logic, the first Superman movie caters to pedophiles too, since it shows young clark naked for a second when he is found. We need to petition to give Superman a NC-17 rating! I'm sure there are other examples of PG movies showing babies or young children naked. We need to crack down on them all!







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"Re(1):Grandmother sues . . ." , posted Fri 29 Jul 04:21:post reply

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http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/331981p-283686c.html

What kind of damages were there?

"OMG my grandson saw that crappy looking sex mini-game! I was trying to raise him to be a good boy!"

I am sure if you looked at the kid's IE history you would find tons of porn sites.



"A grandmother upset that she bought the video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" for her 14-year-old grandson..."

Given the game's original M rating for people ages 17+ -- thousands of dollars in attorney's fees later, she'll be right back where she started, with nowhere else to put the blame but herself.

Really now -- where does this misunderstanding begin? Is it because of a persisting stereotype that video games are children's toys instead of media?* And do they just ignore the ESRB rating outright because of it?

I'm just hoping the "OK to Play?" PSAs that the ESRB is putting out will do some good.



* Granted, there have been debates among gamers as to whether or not, with the "media" label, game producers try to make titles like other kinds of media, and they resultedly forget to focus on the actual game aspects of titles. But that's a tangential discussion for another thread.






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