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| Iggy 4417th Post
 
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|  "Midnight Bliss + sabaki"
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Something else : it seems that at the AMShow, both the MB forms and the sabaki forms (with the pharaoh curse) where implented. Grandma's Sun Octopus was there also, even though the guy didn't saw it connecting.
Edit :◆Bliss
Guile wears a top in the american flag, has long hair, is sexy.
Ingrid : heart, candy, looks like some 03 Athena-gothic-loli.
Urien : looks like Makoto with Urien's "clothes".
Rose : like on a gondola in Venezia, she has a oar.
Mukuro : a masked kunoichi.
Hauzer : has Hauzer's head + the body of a schoolgirl. I love the concept, and as you can guess, much hate on this.
◆Sabaki :
Hauzer : a steak with some flame around it. (Monster hunter?)
Nool : baby octopi
Ingrid : baby Ingrid, but seems a little too big, weird. Ing is definitely not well done.
Ryû : the bag he carries around in SF2&3. The tail of a cat goes out of it.
Sakura : the disgusting trophee that appears in the Sakura Ganbaru! manga. Kimoi.
Guile : a red Guile doll with a huge nose. Moeru.
Urien : some olmec statue's head. (has a stone in the forehead.
Vamp and Warzard are like in their original games.
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| Sano 1111th Post
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| "Re(1):Midnight Bliss + sabaki" , posted Sun 5 Sep 14:57
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Something else : it seems that at the AMShow, both the MB forms and the sabaki forms (with the pharaoh curse) where implented. Grandma's Sun Octopus was there also, even though the guy didn't saw it connecting.
Edit :◆Bliss
Guile wears a top in the american flag, has long hair, is sexy.
Ingrid : heart, candy, looks like some 03 Athena-gothic-loli.
Urien : looks like Makoto with Urien's "clothes".
Rose : like on a gondola in Venezia, she has a oar.
Mukuro : a masked kunoichi.
Hauzer : has Hauzer's head + the body of a schoolgirl. I love the concept, and as you can guess, much hate on this.
◆Sabaki :
Hauzer : a steak with some flame around it. (Monster hunter?)
Nool : baby octopi
Ingrid : baby Ingrid, but seems a little too big, weird. Ing is definitely not well done.
Ryû : the bag he carries around in SF2&3. The tail of a cat goes out of it.
Sakura : the disgusting trophee that appears in the Sakura Ganbaru! manga. Kimoi.
Guile : a red Guile doll with a huge nose. Moeru.
Urien : some olmec statue's head. (has a stone in the forehead.
Vamp and Warzard are like in their original games.
HOORAY! I knew Capcom could do it! Tear comes to my eye...
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| NARUTO 2635th Post
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| "Re(1):Midnight Bliss + sabaki" , posted Mon 6 Sep 01:27
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Something else : it seems that at the AMShow, both the MB forms and the sabaki forms (with the pharaoh curse) where implented. Grandma's Sun Octopus was there also, even though the guy didn't saw it connecting.
Good to hear that! Btw Sun Octopus is a Projectile IIRC right?
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Edit :◆Bliss
Guile wears a top in the american flag, has long hair, is sexy.
Ingrid : heart, candy, looks like some 03 Athena-gothic-loli.
Urien : looks like Makoto with Urien's "clothes".
Rose : like on a gondola in Venezia, she has a oar.
Mukuro : a masked kunoichi.
Hauzer : has Hauzer's head + the body of a schoolgirl. I love the concept, and as you can guess, much hate on this.
Curious to see nool.....
◆Sabaki :
Hauzer : a steak with some flame around it. (Monster hunter?)
Nool : baby octopi
Ingrid : baby Ingrid, but seems a little too big, weird. Ing is definitely not well done.
Ryû : the bag he carries around in SF2&3. The tail of a cat goes out of it.
Sakura : the disgusting trophee that appears in the Sakura Ganbaru! manga. Kimoi.
Guile : a red Guile doll with a huge nose. Moeru.
Urien : some olmec statue's head. (has a stone in the forehead.
Vamp and Warzard are like in their original games.
then again curious to see nool or Rose.
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| deisied
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| "Midnight Bliss + gill" , posted Mon 6 Sep 01:47
great stuff there, too bad that's like 70% of the reason anyones gonna say anything good about that game for like 2 months now. you people suck.
as for gill, seriously what the hell? he isn't even cheap. he's really easy, and i'm not just being stupid, there are some tough bosses out there, and i even think bosses are okay that are the type like "i guess you get to die whenever i decide to randomly do this super that ensures your death" type stuff. but gill, he's really really easy.
he isn't even in the catagory of kof bosses, which aren't even hard in a fun way, they're just broke. there's still legitimately harder yet still cool bosses above that.
anyway, i think gill's pretty cool really, calling him laziness by capcom isn't ironic, it's stupid. and as far as i remember, no, few, probably no other characters do the non-mirror thing. How cool is it that his final round winpose depends on which side he's facing? that's beautiful.
here's to hauzer's midnight bliss form being genius.
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| Grave 838th Post
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| "Re(1):Midnight Bliss + gill" , posted Mon 6 Sep 13:48
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as for gill, seriously what the hell? he isn't even cheap. he's really easy, and i'm not just being stupid, there are some tough bosses out there, and i even think bosses are okay that are the type like "i guess you get to die whenever i decide to randomly do this super that ensures your death" type stuff. but gill, he's really really easy.
here's to hauzer's midnight bliss form being genius.
Yeah, I don't get the "I hate Gill because he's cheap" shit. He does a lot of damage, but you can see most of his moves coming from a mile away. If you can parry and your play style isn't completely retarded, he's not a problem in any way, shape, or form. I could see people complaining about Resurrection if it wasn't a) easy to hit him out of, and b) easy to wait him out until he wastes his meter on something else. I also didn't mind his design and thought the whole non-mirror thing was cool. In a thread about CFJ, I don't know how anything else Capcom has ever done can be called "lazy" in comparasion, but especially not something like Gill's two sides.
And yes, Hauzer's midnight bliss form is the most exciting thing about this game. If it doesn't spawn billions of pieces of fanart when it's better known, I will be greatly disappointed.
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| Undead Fred 1875th Post
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| "Re(2):Midnight Bliss + gill" , posted Mon 6 Sep 14:28
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Yeah, I don't get the "I hate Gill because he's cheap" shit. He does a lot of damage, but you can see most of his moves coming from a mile away. If you can parry and your play style isn't completely retarded, he's not a problem in any way, shape, or form. I could see people complaining about Resurrection if it wasn't a) easy to hit him out of, and b) easy to wait him out until he wastes his meter on something else. I also didn't mind his design and thought the whole non-mirror thing was cool. In a thread about CFJ, I don't know how anything else Capcom has ever done can be called "lazy" in comparasion, but especially not something like Gill's two sides.
Yeah, I think Gill's one of the least cheap fighting game bosses. KOF's bosses have been way cheaper by comparison. Gill's not a problem if all you do is just save a super for the end of the round (when he pulls a Resurrection, fire off the super and stop him), plus I'm sure there are other ways to hit him out of it, too.
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| bemanisuperstar
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| "Re(3):Midnight Bliss + gill" , posted Mon 6 Sep 14:36
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Yeah, I don't get the "I hate Gill because he's cheap" shit. He does a lot of damage, but you can see most of his moves coming from a mile away. If you can parry and your play style isn't completely retarded, he's not a problem in any way, shape, or form. I could see people complaining about Resurrection if it wasn't a) easy to hit him out of, and b) easy to wait him out until he wastes his meter on something else. I also didn't mind his design and thought the whole non-mirror thing was cool. In a thread about CFJ, I don't know how anything else Capcom has ever done can be called "lazy" in comparasion, but especially not something like Gill's two sides.
Yeah, I think Gill's one of the least cheap fighting game bosses. KOF's bosses have been way cheaper by comparison. Gill's not a problem if all you do is just save a super for the end of the round (when he pulls a Resurrection, fire off the super and stop him), plus I'm sure there are other ways to hit him out of it, too.
KOF bosses are my bitch
Gill is tough
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| Spoon 602th Post
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| "Re(4):Midnight Bliss + gill" , posted Mon 6 Sep 15:11
Gill suffers from some of the same AI glitches that plague the rest of the AI controlled cast, notably command throw rape.
Try this with Akuma some time:
make him block something up close like close s.forward, cancel into Demon Flip (DP+K in 3S i think), and then grab him. Repeat until he dies.
The Makoto one he sometimes gets out of, but it's like this:
dash punch (HCF+P, not EX), karakusa, repeat.
If they get hit by the dash punch, there's no need for kara cancelling the karakusa. No, the karakusa does not combo following the dash punch, but the computer rarely escapes.
He will also fall for Alex's elbow rush (blocked for sure, hit I think) super cancelled into Stun Gun Headbutt if you haven't been abusing that during the trip up to him.
Gill sometimes manages to not get hung up on this stuff, but like other CPU characters, that seems dependant on how much you abuse it on the characters leading up to him.
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| deisied
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| "Re(2):Midnight Bliss + sabaki" , posted Mon 6 Sep 19:10:
dude, gill eats a simple HK into anything like 90 percent of the time. after that, what are you gonna hit by, besides a really close up chariot rush whatever thing?
and yeah he never ever has to do ressurection, assuming you loop him to death, not gonna happen. if not, wait like 10 seconds for him to use a super (probably the stupid meteor one, in which case you just sweep him and he's done) if not, what? he jumps for like 50 minutes into the divine light thing, and there you go.
anyway, i'm staring at that necro picture into infinity, and i seriously can't begin to know what you're talking about.
edit: doctored eh...i knew i shouldve actually turned on the game, which was less than an arms reach away from me. like a...not lazy person.
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| Grahf
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| "Boss cheapness" , posted Mon 6 Sep 20:50
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Gill-specific strategies
To me, what's annoying about a cheap boss in a fighting game is that you have to apply cheap strategies that take advantage of the AI to beat them (OK, you don't have to apply them, but it makes things a lot easier). Using these strategies sort of takes all the fun out of playing a fighting game.
It's not all that fun to play against the computer if all you're doing is short AI-stumping loops over and over again. It also doesn't really hone your skills for playing against other people, which is one of the main reasons I play fighting games single-player in the first place.
In Gill's case, even if you're not using loops to beat him, you have to do things like constantly look out for his hit-you-anywhere-on-the-screen-for-extreme-damage super, save a super bar to knock him out of resurrection, etc. I'll admit he's not even close to being the most annoying boss around, but he's certainly not the least annoying either.
Now I realize that in some cases, changing your strategy to beat a boss is all part of the fun. Anyone who's any good at fighting games alters their strategy for every character to some degree. When it becomes annoying is when the gameplay comes to a screeching halt as soon as you reach a boss, and you feel the need to resort to breaking the AI.
So I guess my point is that sure, it's easy enough to beat Gill (and many other bosses) if you use the right strategies, but is it any fun to do so?
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| Spoon 604th Post
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| "Re(1):Boss cheapness" , posted Mon 6 Sep 21:29
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Gill-specific strategies
To me, what's annoying about a cheap boss in a fighting game is that you have to apply cheap strategies that take advantage of the AI to beat them (OK, you don't have to apply them, but it makes things a lot easier). Using these strategies sort of takes all the fun out of playing a fighting game.
It's not all that fun to play against the computer if all you're doing is short AI-stumping loops over and over again. It also doesn't really hone your skills for playing against other people, which is one of the main reasons I play fighting games single-player in the first place.
In Gill's case, even if you're not using loops to beat him, you have to do things like constantly look out for his hit-you-anywhere-on-the-screen-for-extreme-damage super, save a super bar to knock him out of resurrection, etc. I'll admit he's not even close to being the most annoying boss around, but he's certainly not the least annoying either.
Now I realize that in some cases, changing your strategy to beat a boss is all part of the fun. Anyone who's any good at fighting games alters their strategy for every character to some degree. When it becomes annoying is when the gameplay comes to a screeching halt as soon as you reach a boss, and you feel the need to resort to breaking the AI.
So I guess my point is that sure, it's easy enough to beat Gill (and many other bosses) if you use the right strategies, but is it any fun to do so?
There is fun in abusing the AI, but sometimes it's not very fun.
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| JJWE 436th Post
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| "Fuck off, Dante,,," , posted Mon 6 Sep 22:45
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Oh, that pic that JJWE posted is doctored. Capcom really did draw Necro's knees for both sides.
You can accuse me of many things, but when someone starts calling me a liar, that _really_ pisses me off. That shot is taken straight from the game, without any doctoring whatsoever (except that it's shrunk, but that should be obvious).
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| Grahf
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| "Re(1):Fuck off, Dante,,," , posted Mon 6 Sep 22:49
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Oh, that pic that JJWE posted is doctored. Capcom really did draw Necro's knees for both sides.
You can accuse me of many things, but when someone starts calling me a liar, that _really_ pisses me off. That shot is taken straight from the game, without any doctoring whatsoever (except that it's shrunk, but that should be obvious).
Yeah, that's exactly how I see Necro on my Dreamcast too. His sprite is flipped so that his knee closest to the foreground always looks the same. If Capcom drew two sets of sprites, then they aren't used in the DC version of Third Strike, at least.
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| Grave 840th Post
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| "Re(3):Fuck off, Dante,,," , posted Mon 6 Sep 23:17
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If Capcom drew two sets of sprites, then they aren't used in the DC version of Third Strike, at least.
Just checked myself.. yeah, he's the same either way.
Yeah, I had to check the PS2 version before... doesn't really surprise me, though, considering Oro and everything else in the game. But still, if someone wants to call Capcom lazy in a CFJ thread, 3S is not the best example to use. :P
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| Ammadeau 1137th Post
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| "Re(4):Fuck off, Dante,,," , posted Tue 7 Sep 00:11
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Yeah, I had to check the PS2 version before... doesn't really surprise me, though, considering Oro and everything else in the game. But still, if someone wants to call Capcom lazy in a CFJ thread, 3S is not the best example to use. :P
They didn't bother rescanning in the art to bump the sprites up to high rez for the PS2/Xbox ports. Yep, they're lazy. :p
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| Undead Fred 1877th Post
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| "Re(1):Boss cheapness" , posted Tue 7 Sep 02:09
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To me, what's annoying about a cheap boss in a fighting game is that you have to apply cheap strategies that take advantage of the AI to beat them (OK, you don't have to apply them, but it makes things a lot easier). Using these strategies sort of takes all the fun out of playing a fighting game.
It's not all that fun to play against the computer if all you're doing is short AI-stumping loops over and over again. It also doesn't really hone your skills for playing against other people, which is one of the main reasons I play fighting games single-player in the first place.
In Gill's case, even if you're not using loops to beat him, you have to do things like constantly look out for his hit-you-anywhere-on-the-screen-for-extreme-damage super, save a super bar to knock him out of resurrection, etc. I'll admit he's not even close to being the most annoying boss around, but he's certainly not the least annoying either.
Now I realize that in some cases, changing your strategy to beat a boss is all part of the fun. Anyone who's any good at fighting games alters their strategy for every character to some degree. When it becomes annoying is when the gameplay comes to a screeching halt as soon as you reach a boss, and you feel the need to resort to breaking the AI.
So I guess my point is that sure, it's easy enough to beat Gill (and many other bosses) if you use the right strategies, but is it any fun to do so?
Well, I agree. I've had trouble with certain KOF bosses in the past (I remember having to use a steady stream of earring bombs on Krizalid's second form the first time I tried to beat him). I don't really consider Gill to be all that cheap. He didn't constantly throw the same fireball over and over and over when I fought him, and the Resurrection super wasn't too bad if you can stop it. At least his gimmick can be as simple as saving a super bar instead of infinite cheap damage madness tactics. I don't mind if people have to use those to beat bosses (it's the CPU, who cares if you have to be cheap), but I do know what you're saying about not being able to sharpen your skills and all that. I just don't really think Gill's one of the cheapest bosses I've played against.
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| deisied
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| "Re(4):Boss cheapness, Hauzer's Head" , posted Tue 7 Sep 11:09
jedah is absolutely the man, i-no almost fits into part of that category for xx, but not really, she's excellent though too.
at any rate, good points there yeah, but it stands that the whole "screeching halt" thing is kind of an exaggeration considering it's just 40 seconds of stupid boss battle.
as you said, you have to change your strategy for everyone, and really, when you get to high level play, it comes down to sinking 1-3 major openings in a specific character and following with the strongest possible combo thereafter. just because gill is an idiot doesn't make that any different. the only difference here is that he doesn't do anything human to make things that 2 percent more interesting, that piece of thrill we look for for every match. you KNOW what he's going to do, down to about 2 variables per situation, it can't even begin to be a big deal fighting this guy, and trust me, i suck hard at 3rd strike at the moment.
and every retard is gonna hop on a message board and go OMG CHEAP 15 times before they actually use their head and figure it out, that doesn't really mean anything to me.
if you ask me, gill doesn't even try that hard to win really, capcom just pretended he's igniz and had him sit there and throw stuff out everyonce in a while like he's really that beat-all. he honestly doesn't have that much priority. seriously try to break this guys pattern down people, really.
again, i still respect me some gill, it's not his fault really. since when have any 2-d fighters had any AI? Which reminds me, how does your argument really hold up at all? Everything about a single player match turns your hands into mush compared to an actual vs human match, so if you're gonna say anything about gill, might as well just say, use training mode, or play a friend. which is more or less what i do. every once in a while you get neat guilty gear xx mission modes that i'm glad to hit, but if you think of that, the entire idea of the thing is basically constructed to kill any chance of flowing gameplay from you.
you gotta pick and choose i guess.
god damn fighting games are awesome.
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| Ultima 386th Post
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| "Re(6):megalomania" , posted Thu 9 Sep 20:58
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A note: All those who don't think Gill is cheap: Do you play in the arcade, or are you referring to the DC version? I could be wrong, but I think the arcade version is a lot harder. I don't recall getting my ass handed to me repeatedly in the DC version like the arcade version does.
And Gill, at least arcade version, *is* cheap. He may not be, say, Igniz or Omega Rugal cheap, but he's still cheap: He reads your inputs and reacts with inhuman speed, and he's just plain better than every other character in the game, inflicting HUGE life and stun damage and all his moves have a ton of priority (whoever said he doesn't have much priority was talking out his ass, really). You have to rely on a lot of stupid patterns to beat him, because you can't fight him straight up like you could in, say, 2I.
re: CFJ
Well, it's a small consolation, but I guess it's good that the unique MB and Curse forms are in. I'd rather more characters though...
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| deisied
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| "Re(7):megalomania" , posted Thu 9 Sep 21:11
then you're using cheap relatively, and i don't really care. why should an unplayable final boss be "Balanced", not overpowered, or on the same level as a normal character you can pick? In a tournament? He's cheap. As for fighting a stupid boss, you just jump in with a combo. It's really not that complicated.
DC - PS2 (max difficulty), arcade, if there is any difference, it doesn't seem to matter too much, he just really doesn't have anything that's a big deal. Nothing he does is fact except the chariot rush thing like i said, he has unexpected hits, like that flying move thing with the delayed as hell hits, but like I said, not too big a deal. Yeah you have to use tactics, good, i don't want to fight a boss that just stands there and does stuff sometimes. Who enjoys arcade ai anyway? Not sure why you want him to act like stage 4 dudley or whatever, why even be a boss?
For a boss, he's a wimp, if he was a normal character, i'd be like wtf?
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| Spoon 624th Post
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| "Re(1):Boss woes" , posted Mon 13 Sep 19:38
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And I'm with Ultima on the Gill issue. He's cheap. I've seen plenty of the "inhuman speed" in reacting to player commands. I call him cheap, because I'm a bigger fan of a boss that fights really well (see: Shin Akuma) than one who just flaunts his obvious advantages over normal characters.
Unless you count CvS2 Shin Akuma, who is one half smart (nice use of that speed to get tick throws), and one half retarded stupid priority and damage. It landed a DP combo on your R1 character, hooray, you've just lost like 50% of your life.
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I usually try to use the "wait for him waste his super meter on another super" strategy, but I'm telling ya, the guy just never ends up using them. In fact, he uses the Meteor super as an anti-air, so whenever I am caught by that move it's because I'm in the air.
Bastid.
This would be called "being smart", something which is indeed infuriating.
Q needs a healing super. I know Total Destruction is a barrel of laughs (see: Chun molestation), but if Total Destruction were replaced with Elena's Healing or some such, it'd be even funnier.
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| Ultima 388th Post
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| "Re(8):megalomania" , posted Tue 14 Sep 09:27
> As for fighting a stupid boss, you just jump in with a combo. It's really not that complicated.
Against *Gill*? It depends very much on what character you're using. MOst of the time when *I* play Gill, every time I jump at him he either randomly hits me with b+strong, c.fierce, headbutt (x2), or does nothing and just blocks everything. Some characters do get to jump in on him, but far from most.
> DC - PS2 (max difficulty), arcade, if there is any difference, it doesn't seem to matter too much, he just really doesn't have anything that's a big deal.
Yeah. Except his priority, life and stun damage, and little recovery.
> Nothing he does is fact except the chariot rush thing like i said, he has unexpected hits, like that flying move thing with the delayed as hell hits, but like I said, not too big a deal.
What about when he walks forward, reads your inputs, and counters/out-prioritizes your every attack?
> Yeah you have to use tactics, good, i don't want to fight a boss that just stands there and does stuff sometimes.
You're insane. The tactics you use against Gill are rubbish for the most part. Hugo beats DC Gill by knocking him down once, then doing c.roundhouse as he gets up, which he mysteriously doesn't block (which doesn't work in the arcade BTW). Yang had another equally stupid pattern that I forget. Oh, and Urien beats Gill by doing nothing but MK Chariot Tackle, c.forward, repeat. YEah, wonderful tactics there.
Also, to prove that Gill reads your inputs: Start mashing jab with your character when Gill is half a screen away. Gill has patterns that are based on what button your press. Mashing Jab actually confues him and causes him to switch patterns. It's how I beat him with Hugo, since if he does something I don't like, I just mash jab and hope he switches to a pattern (like dash back to the Knee Drop, or throwing a strong FB) that I can take advantage of. It doesn't work all the time though, and sometimes he remains an absolute bastard who just walks forward and trades all hits with his s.strong or c.forward.
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