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| DarkZero 901th Post
 
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|  "Re(2):Phantom Brave"
, posted Wed 1 Sep 00:55
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yeah i'm generally a never give up kinda guy, but i got a bit lazy on the magnificent 5 and still havent really beaten them, i was thinking i may wimp out and wait til i could buy a bunch of items or something, but i dunno.
Gameplay, not story spoiler:
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
I broke down and took a look at GameFAQs, and, just like in the first few hours of Devil May Cry, I found that the key to all of my problems lies in an obscure move that the designers hoped that we would all notice. In Devil May Cry, it was Air Raid. In Viewtiful Joe, it's "Slow Zoom Red Hot One Hundred", essentially getting in the boss's face and holding Slow + Zoom + Punch. Does a Hell of a lot more damage than anything else. After I learned this, I breezed through all of the bosses, including beating Another Joe without losing a life... or much health.
No clue on the final member of the Magnificent Five, though. I'm fighting him right now and I haven't done ANY damage yet.
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| Pollyanna 475th Post
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|  "Re(4):Phantom Brave"
, posted Wed 1 Sep 00:59
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sugary as in wacky like disgaea? or actually YAY! NYAAAN!! time? or uh, just like "heart warming" type shit all the time or what?
Heart warming. Lots and lots of heartwarming, predictable stories. However, if you really thought the Disgaea story was great, then my opinion is invalid. While there were great elements of the Disgaea story, the (relatively shallow) core theme took 5 minutes to grasp, even though they spent hours on it. I'm not saying it was crap, and it doesn't even TOUCH the repetitive sappiness in Phantom Brave, but it's not great writing either.
However, at any rate, the story in Phantom Brave prevents it from achieving greatness...it doesn't ruin the game. (and the soundtrack, for the most part, is excellent).
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| deisied
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| "Re(5):Phantom Brave" , posted Wed 1 Sep 01:12
listening to the soundtrack now, it is pretty interesting. but yeah, i dunno, maybe i was just sorta caught by suprise by not-lame translation and not-that-horribly-americanized, and just sorta fun characters, i probably don't need all the sappy parts of disgaea stacked up and tossed at me, i'll probably enjoy me some gameplay anyway.
as for viewtiful joe, yeah, i know about that move, when it came out i went over to a friends house, and we painfully trudged through the game, i had to leave before he finished the M5, when i bought the game later, i got to the m5 in like 30 seconds and then tried like 3 times and turned it off is basically the thing, i'm sure i have it in me definitely, it's more the fact that, the first few bosses are so damn easy at this point, but both either still take way too much god damn time, or is annoying if i do screw up on the early ones for some reason that losing that kind of health on nothing is a pain in the ass that i didn't have the patience for it maybe. sorta like the one other thing i didnt just sit there and knock the hell out of the way right away, dizzy story 2 or whatever, that i-no fight, even though it's only like 5 minutes in or so that's still kind of a pain in the ass. but i dunno, i was thinking about getting back at joe today, so i may do it tomorrow, since sf3 didnt get in today.
but yeah, that move is pretty funny.
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| DarkZero 903th Post
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| "Re(7):Phantom Brave" , posted Fri 3 Sep 00:23
My only concern, which I don't think anyone has really addressed yet:
Is there a 4 to 10 hour expanse of absolute drudgery between the end of the game (and the one or two secrets after it) and the vast pile of secret content that must exist in every Nippon Ichi game? To me, the expanded content of Disgaea was the one part where it really failed. I was asking you guys how to get to it and even searching GameFAQs and the answers all disgusted me. I kept seeing shit like, "If you keep at it, you'll only have to keep levelling up in the Cyclops level for four hours straight", "Yeah, once you get to the later levels, it's probably better to just get Laharl to Level Bajillion and have him solo it", or "Just get like 10 weapons to Level 100 in the Item World and it'll do a lot more than levelling up -- but you still have to level up a bit". It kept me from ever putting in the effort to see the La Pucelle characters.
And yes, I did give it a try before I gave up. And for me, at least, it really did suck.
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| Pollyanna 489th Post
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|  "Re(8):Phantom Brave"
, posted Fri 3 Sep 01:29
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My only concern, which I don't think anyone has really addressed yet:
Is there a 4 to 10 hour expanse of absolute drudgery between the end of the game (and the one or two secrets after it) and the vast pile of secret content that must exist in every Nippon Ichi game? To me, the expanded content of Disgaea was the one part where it really failed. I was asking you guys how to get to it and even searching GameFAQs and the answers all disgusted me. I kept seeing shit like, "If you keep at it, you'll only have to keep levelling up in the Cyclops level for four hours straight", "Yeah, once you get to the later levels, it's probably better to just get Laharl to Level Bajillion and have him solo it", or "Just get like 10 weapons to Level 100 in the Item World and it'll do a lot more than levelling up -- but you still have to level up a bit". It kept me from ever putting in the effort to see the La Pucelle characters.
And yes, I did give it a try before I gave up. And for me, at least, it really did suck.
I quote myself:
"Much like any Nippon-1 game, you can enjoy the game all the way through without getting wildly deep into the system and the first hidden boss fight is RIGHT after the last boss and quite winnable at that point. "
So...what I would consider the biggest "bonus" boss fight (actually 2 fights) can be done 5 minutes after winning the game.
Leveling 4 hours is nothing, though. I did it for that long or logner twice in the game just to rebuild my team for the hell of it. It's more fun and more rewarding than Disgaea in that aspect (if you ask me).
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| Pollyanna 490th Post
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|  "Re(10):Phantom Brave"
, posted Fri 3 Sep 09:20
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Well, I remembered that you said that, which is why I said "between the end of the game (and the one or two secrets after it) and the vast pile of secret content". In Disgaea, I was able to rush through most of the Human World and a few other assorted secrets right after I beat the game, and then the levelling grind came after that if I wanted to see Prier or Baal or anything else like that. I'm assuming that the bonus fight you're talking about is the spoiler that Holiday mentioned, but is there a lot of stuff after that that would require a lot more work?
And yes, I should've been more explicit. That was my fault.
Ah, sorry about that, I misunderstood. Anyway, Zepy's the expert on this, but because he's the expert, I feel like his evaluation is a bit biased. While I would agree that it's easier to do things in Phantom Brave, I didn't find doing things in Disgaea as easy as he makes it sound.
It may be possible that I just totally suck, but I think that it's more likely that Zepy is totally awesome. Regardless, I think that if you're saying "if I can't do everything the game has to offer quickly" then you're just looking for an excuse not to play the game, in which case, you shouldn't bother. In terms of time vs rewards, I don't think Phantom Brave is particularly different from most other video games where you have practical, easy rewards, then super rewards for the truly hardcore.
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| Variable Savior
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| "Re(11): Phantom Brave" , posted Fri 3 Sep 09:52
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While I would agree that it's easier to do things in Phantom Brave, I didn't find doing things in Disgaea as easy as he makes it sound.
It may be possible that I just totally suck, but I think that it's more likely that Zepy is totally awesome. Regardless, I think that if you're saying "if I can't do everything the game has to offer quickly" then you're just looking for an excuse not to play the game, in which case, you shouldn't bother. In terms of time vs rewards, I don't think Phantom Brave is particularly different from most other video games where you have practical, easy rewards, then super rewards for the truly hardcore.
I wouldn't say that doing things in Disgaea was hard - it was just time consuming. By the time I finished the game (beaten all the bosses and gotten all the endings) I had over 300 hours of gameplay (minus time used to take phone calls - stupid lack of pause..). It kind of became an obsession. Now I'm not complaining - I played that long willingly and really did enjoy the game. It's just that upcoming releases (SMT, DDS:AT) are posed to absorb a heck of alot of my available videogame time (plus I'm still playing X-2).
I didn't mean to come off like I'm only interested in some quick, shallow experience - I just don't want to get sucked into too many RPG's at once. I suppose I should just buy PB while it's available and add it to the stack of games I've yet to play...
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