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"San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice City?" , posted Sun 22 Aug 08:48post reply


Judging from the screens,it looks cool

We all loved Vice City and so far it has, at least to me, proved to be the most fun out of the past GTA's and certainly was a good game.

But will San Andreas surpass Vice City's legend?






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"Re(1):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 09:04post reply


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Judging from the screens,it looks cool

We all loved Vice City and so far it has, at least to me, proved to be the most fun out of the past GTA's and certainly was a good game.

But will San Andreas surpass Vice City's legend?



All I really want out of GTA games is a good Sniping spot and a good police/army AI so that running away will be fun. I really don't care much for story mode, but Vice City had a really good one.





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"Re(1):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 09:13post reply


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Judging from the screens,it looks cool

We all loved Vice City and so far it has, at least to me, proved to be the most fun out of the past GTA's and certainly was a good game.

But will San Andreas surpass Vice City's legend?



I hate GTA, so "we all" is a poor term to use. ;)





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"Re(1):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 09:19post reply


We at least know the game's gonna perfectly capture the wiggaz market.

But, looking quickly through a few mainstream sites -- if Rockstar's really working hard on the game, such that the game is made more fun and the changes aren't simply superficial -- then yeah, it could also attain legendary status.

The proposed story looks like there's good potential for drama.






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"Re(1):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 09:27post reply


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"Re(1):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 10:15post reply


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"Re(1):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 10:21post reply


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But will San Andreas surpass Vice City's legend?



Vice City's "legend"?! The game's like a year old, homeboy, it in no way shape or form has a 'legend' yet... rule of thumb is if VH1 hasn't discussed it in a "I Love the..." special (Best Week Ever doesn't count!) it doesn't have a legend.

That aside, Spider-man 2 already surpassed Vice City's 'legend', there's no reason to think San Andreas won't.... the only way it will fail todo so is if when it comes out people are tired of playing GTA3 and think it's crap because they're playing the same game for the 3rd time.






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"Re(1):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 10:54post reply


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Judging from the screens,it looks cool

We all loved Vice City and so far it has, at least to me, proved to be the most fun out of the past GTA's and certainly was a good game.

But will San Andreas surpass Vice City's legend?

We at least know the game's gonna perfectly capture the wiggaz market.




That sums it up perfectly! For every person black or not, that imagines themselves as having 'survived' Compton and wanting to pretend they are 'hard', this game has become a must have.

When I saw the one scene in the trailer where the guys roll out, and one character is a dead ringer for Eazy E, I knew where it was going. Part of this game is going to give players a chance to pretend to be like NWA. It will play up the Cali 'gangsta' lifestyle and become a license to print money.

Will it live up to Vice? I think so, ...sales wise at least.





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"Re(2):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 11:09post reply


Think about this though, will it sell as well if they don't go with a real music soundtrack like Vice City, I can imagine Rockstar games hiring some cheesy early 90's rap group imitators.





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"Re(2):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 12:17:post reply


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the only way it will fail todo so is if when it comes out people are tired of playing GTA3 and think it's crap because they're playing the same game for the 3rd time.



That hasn't stopped fans of several other series -- say like, with Tony Hawk or with yearly installments of sports games -- or in different demographics, Megaman series and variants, or yearly installments of fighters, etc. (Though, the latter two have some form of continuing storyline -- which is at least my motivation for playing 'em.)

Either way -- I don't think Rockstar has much to worry about in these respects.

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"regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 18:45post reply


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For every person black or not, that imagines themselves as having 'survived' Compton and wanting to pretend they are 'hard', this game has become a must have...

Part of this game is going to give players a chance to pretend to be like NWA. It will play up the Cali 'gangsta' lifestyle and become a license to print money.



First I have to agree that this is a fairly accurate assessment. The setting is one of the big reasons I'm excited about playing the game. It's never been done properly before, and I think that San Andreas has a shot at it. The other is the last two GTA games have been very well-done.

While I don't really take issue with the word 'wiggaz' in this context, I think is important to remember when discussing this game is that 'wanting to be a gangsta' does not equal 'wanting to be black'. Same thing with being fascinated by a hard life, rapping, finding black women attractive, etc.





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"Re(1):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 19:10post reply


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For every person black or not, that imagines themselves as having 'survived' Compton and wanting to pretend they are 'hard', this game has become a must have...

Part of this game is going to give players a chance to pretend to be like NWA. It will play up the Cali 'gangsta' lifestyle and become a license to print money.


First I have to agree that this is a fairly accurate assessment. The setting is one of the big reasons I'm excited about playing the game. It's never been done properly before, and I think that San Andreas has a shot at it. The other is the last two GTA games have been very well-done.

While I don't really take issue with the word 'wiggaz' in this context, I think is important to remember when discussing this game is that 'wanting to be a gangsta' does not equal 'wanting to be black'. Same thing with being fascinated by a hard life, rapping, finding black women attractive, etc.



The statement is made in the regard that Rockstar has made a mint off of making games that emulate the criminal lifestyle. The previous two games were big hits with the 'black' crowd as well as the 'white' crowd. Yet the emphasis was always plainly on genre of sorts. GTA 3 was mafia movies, Vice City was Miami Vice & Scarface, but this is directly aimed at a lifestyle.

A lifestyle that has been made into a genre. A genre that for the most part has been supported monetarily by 'white' audiences. It's been widely supported that the explosion of the Hip Hop/Rap/Gangsta music biz has been directly related by the increase of purchases by not only black audiences, but other races as well, primarily whites. One of the biggest examples of this has been the overwhelming success of white rappers, compared to black rappers. From Vanilla Ice to Eminem, the belief being that they recieve more white paying customers.

It's this very audience that is the percieved target for San Andreas. After all, the belief is that the core videogaming audience is white males, 12 - 24 or something. Rockstar is counting on a large part of that group being 'wiggaz', and that the 'black' audience that has embraced the GTA series to buy the game.

In this case with the scenes of groups looking like NWA, mimicking scenes from Boyz in the Hood, makes indeed look more like an appeal to 'being black', and not just an appeal to a genre. Right down to choosing your haircut style...





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"Re(2):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 19:17post reply


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It's this very audience that is the percieved target for San Andreas. After all, the belief is that the core videogaming audience is white males, 12 - 24 or something. Rockstar is counting on a large part of that group being 'wiggaz', and that the 'black' audience that has embraced the GTA series to buy the game.





A little quick clarification, when I say "Rockstar is counting on a large part of that group being 'wiggaz'", I should have stressed that it's meant casually. Meaning they aren't shooting for characters like the one Jaime Kennedy played in that movie, but for every 'white' player who's even been remotely fascinated by the world they've seen in music videos.

I should point out that amongst 'blacks', they laugh at wannabes who've seen to much MTV raps or the Bassment. They'll be buying this game in droves as well.





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"Re(3):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Sun 22 Aug 19:29post reply


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"Re(3):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 19:34post reply


As far as i'm concerned, being a wigger is not really even funny anymore because most rappers in the industry are not "gangstas" who survived the hard-streets. Seriously, it is all club music shit now and truth be known, many white kids who grew up in trailers probably lived no more of an easy life than the bump and grind, flash rappers from groups like Outkast, Nelly, or even single rappers like Kanye West or Twista, whatever.

Basically what I am saying is that "true" gangster rap has been dead since the early 1990s, and really you can't call whites who imitate the lifestyle as posers because even the actual black rappers in the industry are posers themselves, I almost find them to be even more comical than wiggers seeing them bouncing around with so much gold on their wrists and around their neck that they are like serious versions of Ali G.





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"Re(4):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 20:14post reply


Haven't the Beastie Boys been in the industry longer than most of the black rappers currently being played on MTV/BET?





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"Re(4):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 20:17post reply


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As far as i'm concerned, being a wigger is not really even funny anymore because most rappers in the industry are not "gangstas" who survived the hard-streets. Seriously, it is all club music shit now and truth be known, many white kids who grew up in trailers probably lived no more of an easy life than the bump and grind, flash rappers from groups like Outkast, Nelly, or even single rappers like Kanye West or Twista, whatever.

Basically what I am saying is that "true" gangster rap has been dead since the early 1990s, and really you can't call whites who imitate the lifestyle as posers because even the actual black rappers in the industry are posers themselves, I almost find them to be even more comical than wiggers seeing them bouncing around with so much gold on their wrists and around their neck that they are like serious versions of Ali G.


So to sum up:
Not just some white people, but some black people can be wiggers to. (Wigger is more useable if you say the "W" is for Wannabe because it's not just masturbating bizkiteer white teens who are wanna be niggers.) Wiggers are lame. VH1 is pretty lame but MTV is worse.





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"Re(5):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 20:33post reply


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So to sum up:
Not just some white people, but some black people can be wiggers to. (Wigger is more useable if you say the "W" is for Wannabe because it's not just masturbating bizkiteer white teens who are wanna be niggers.) Wiggers are lame. VH1 is pretty lame but MTV is worse.



What I am saying is basically, the state of mainstream rap/hip hop is pretty much a circus and that it doesn't matter if you are white or black, either way it is all a joke in itself now.





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"Re(6):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 20:55post reply


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So to sum up:
Not just some white people, but some black people can be wiggers to. (Wigger is more useable if you say the "W" is for Wannabe because it's not just masturbating bizkiteer white teens who are wanna be niggers.) Wiggers are lame. VH1 is pretty lame but MTV is worse.


What I am saying is basically, the state of mainstream rap/hip hop is pretty much a circus and that it doesn't matter if you are white or black, either way it is all a joke in itself now.



Hey hey hey. I take issue with some of these statements Señor Crazy. This is a response to this quote and other statements you've made in this thread.

First off, not everyone in the hip-hop/rap community is trying emmulate the gangsta theme/idea. Hip-hop and rap is not a subset of Gangsta Rap. Gangsta Rap is a subset of RAP. So, calling newer rappers gangsta rap posers is silly. Cause there is hardly any new gangsta rappers in the mainstream-- if any at all.

Secondly. Not all of the new rap/hip-hop acts are posers or dance music drones. Outkast has been out for a while and so have the Beastie Boys. Just because they are popular, doesn't mean they are sellouts or posers.

Thirdly, there are plenty of posers and artificial bands out there. But not everyone that is new and popular is a poser or artificial.

In summary. Don't make blanket, generalized statements about the community as a whole. And watch out who you name drop too, cause its easy to name drop and simply not back up your words. Like Outkast for example. They are true, 'middle' school hip hop.





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"Re(7):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 22:12post reply


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In summary. Don't make blanket, generalized statements about the community as a whole. And watch out who you name drop too, cause its easy to name drop and simply not back up your words. Like Outkast for example. They are true, 'middle' school hip hop.



But still, even the mainstream hip hop acts use the word "gangster" all the time when they really aren't even trying to be gangster rap. One could argue that well, it is just another word now and it has been cheapened, but even big boi of Outkast drops the word numerous times even though it is supposed to be southern rap and not related at all. I just think it is a word that is thrown around too much in an effort to make yourself look more hardcore.

I agree hip hop is not all about gangsterism, personally I prefer underground acts like Non Phixion, Tragedy Khadafi, Jedi Mind Tricks, the Arsonists, etc. But what I like about them is they don't make dance club music and then try too hard by introducing such products as "Pimp" juice, they let the music speak for itself. I think too many mainstream rappers are trying to portray themselves as living the hard life when they haven't. And it is not that I believe rappers should only be respected if they grew up living the hard life, I just believe they should be true to themselves and not attach a label to themselves that they aren't. Not every rap group is Westside Connection or NWA, and many need to stop acting like they are and set themselves apart instead of picking apart some of the other elements and fusing it with a totally different style.





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"Re(8):regarding 'WSC'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 22:59:post reply


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In summary. Don't make blanket, generalized statements about the community as a whole. And watch out who you name drop too, cause its easy to name drop and simply not back up your words. Like Outkast for example. They are true, 'middle' school hip hop.


But still, even the mainstream hip hop acts use the word "gangster" all the time when they really aren't even trying to be gangster rap. One could argue that well, it is just another word now and it has been cheapened, but even big boi of Outkast drops the word numerous times even though it is supposed to be southern rap and not related at all. I just think it is a word that is thrown around too much in an effort to make yourself look more hardcore.

I agree hip hop is not all about gangsterism, personally I prefer underground acts like Non Phixion, Tragedy Khadafi, Jedi Mind Tricks, the Arsonists, etc. But what I like about them is they don't make dance club music and then try too hard by introducing such products as "Pimp" juice, they let the music speak for itself. I think too many mainstream rappers are trying to portray themselves as living the hard life when they haven't. And it is not that I believe rappers should only be respected if they grew up living the hard life, I just believe they should be true to themselves and not attach a label to themselves that they aren't. Not every rap group is Westside Connection or NWA, and many need to stop acting like they are and set themselves apart instead of picking apart some of the other elements and fusing it with a totally different style.

Even though I feel rap peaked in the early 90s, and I don't like 99% of rap now, WSC is my favorite rap group. Actual gangbangers aren't supposed to take it well when people mimic them like suburban kids doing the cwalk or whatever. I know this is totally off topic now but I just wanted to put that one more thought.






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"Re(4):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Mon 23 Aug 02:19post reply


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"Re(1):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Mon 23 Aug 02:25:post reply


 
 
 
 
 
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"Re(4):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Mon 23 Aug 02:35post reply


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As far as i'm concerned, being a wigger is not really even funny anymore because most rappers in the industry are not "gangstas" who survived the hard-streets. Seriously, it is all club music shit now and truth be known, many white kids who grew up in trailers probably lived no more of an easy life than the bump and grind, flash rappers from groups like Outkast, Nelly, or even single rappers like Kanye West or Twista, whatever.

Basically what I am saying is that "true" gangster rap has been dead since the early 1990s, and really you can't call whites who imitate the lifestyle as posers because even the actual black rappers in the industry are posers themselves, I almost find them to be even more comical than wiggers seeing them bouncing around with so much gold on their wrists and around their neck that they are like serious versions of Ali G.



Honestly, as an outsider (non-fan) looking in, I just wonder when this "hardcore-er than thou" shit is going to end. I mean, I've been watching more and more samurai movies lately (thank you, Suprnova), and I don't sit there thinking about how "true" samurai drama ended in the Edo Period, or that Shintaro Katsu is a poser because he never lived the real hard life of the wandering swordsman. It's fiction. It is well done. That is all that it requires. Why is that not enough for rap music and urban games/movies?

And also, it's worth mentioning that the new EGM brings up the fact that you can customize your character's clothing quite a bit. The only example they have so far is a redneck plaid shirt and cowboy hat outfit, but apparently there's going to be several different outfits you can wear, and what you're wearing may effect how people react to you in certain areas of the game.





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"Posting her view on the game....." , posted Mon 23 Aug 04:46:post reply


Posting her view on the game not society issues >> I've been checking out the info on this game for a while. I've always been impressed by the GTA games, but always watched my boyfriend play them...LOL! I have to say it looks just as good a vice city and I may even have to take a more hands-on roll in playing it time around..^_^ heh.
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"Re(1):Posting her view on the game....." , posted Mon 23 Aug 05:22post reply


GTA3 was cool and unique, Vice City was more of the same (never finished it), and this game does nothing for me so far. I'll stick to playing Halo 2 when it comes out.





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"Re(2):Posting her view on the game....." , posted Mon 23 Aug 05:38post reply


"Will it live up to Vice City", you ask? Well, IMO there's not much to live up to. Sure, both GTA3 and VC had some stuff going for them, but ultimately I found them both mind-numbingly boring after about a week's playing. And just driving around doing random criminal stuff got boring after playing GTA1 for about an hour, so there's not much for me there either...





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I don't remember if there was a classical station in GTA:VC, but I hope San Andreas has one. Having most of the Marriage of Figaro in GTA3 was .... something like the best thing ever before the best thing ever that involved a hammer, a railroad spike, and what I wished was a pregnant zombie.
The problem is I can't really think of any other opera as notorious as Figaro, but I don't know much about opera anyway.





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"being black again" , posted Mon 23 Aug 07:52post reply


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In this case with the scenes of groups looking like NWA, mimicking scenes from Boyz in the Hood, makes indeed look more like an appeal to 'being black', and not just an appeal to a genre. Right down to choosing your haircut style...



Though I'm not black, I choose my hair style too...

'The Sopranos' is loaded with authentic cultural details including language, food, history, but nobody would take it as an appeal to being Italian. Of course since you're watching and not doing that's not a perfect example.

But in the 'Way of the Samurai' series you can go to the public bath, buy some time with a geisha, and fight a duel with a Ronin in the moonlight. Is this an appeal to 'being Japanese', or 'being a samurai'?

I guess you could be using 'being black' in the sense of what a lot of people mistake as(including some black people) 'black culture' and 'black identity'. Obviously, being a west coast gangsta in the 90s isn't a common experience all blacks share or identify with. Hip-hop may have African roots, but it's not a part of being black any more than country western is a part of being white. That's why I have a problem with the wording.





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"Re(2):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Mon 23 Aug 07:58post reply


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That aside, Spider-man 2 already surpassed Vice City's 'legend', there's no reason to think San Andreas won't.... the only way it will fail todo so is if when it comes out people are tired of playing GTA3 and think it's crap because they're playing the same game for the 3rd time.


It's actually much more likely that fans of the series will complain about any new additions to the game that makes the current game in some way different -and therefore not as good- as the eariler games. Games may often feature the latest in technological wizardry but game players can display a real traditionalist streak.





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"Re(3):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Mon 23 Aug 15:18post reply


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It's actually much more likely that fans of the series will complain about any new additions to the game that makes the current game in some way different -and therefore not as good- as the eariler games. Games may often feature the latest in technological wizardry but game players can display a real traditionalist streak.




That's true, but a lot of the additions are things that fans have been asking for: bigger area with multiple cities, main character can swim, able to customize character's appearance...

I don't think Rockstar would or should mess with the overall feel of the game, although I doubt anybody will mind that they're making changes to the targeting system... which really could use work.





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"Re(5):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Tue 24 Aug 01:05post reply


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As far as i'm concerned, being a wigger is not really even funny anymore because most rappers in the industry are not "gangstas" who survived the hard-streets. Seriously, it is all club music shit now and truth be known, many white kids who grew up in trailers probably lived no more of an easy life than the bump and grind, flash rappers from groups like Outkast, Nelly, or even single rappers like Kanye West or Twista, whatever.

Basically what I am saying is that "true" gangster rap has been dead since the early 1990s, and really you can't call whites who imitate the lifestyle as posers because even the actual black rappers in the industry are posers themselves, I almost find them to be even more comical than wiggers seeing them bouncing around with so much gold on their wrists and around their neck that they are like serious versions of Ali G.


Honestly, as an outsider (non-fan) looking in, I just wonder when this "hardcore-er than thou" shit is going to end. I mean, I've been watching more and more samurai movies lately (thank you, Suprnova), and I don't sit there thinking about how "true" samurai drama ended in the Edo Period, or that Shintaro Katsu is a poser because he never lived the real hard life of the wandering swordsman. It's fiction. It is well done. That is all that it requires. Why is that not enough for rap music and urban games/movies?

And also, it's worth mentioning that the new EGM brings up the fact that you can customize your character's clothing quite a bit. The only example they have so far is a redneck plaid shirt and cowboy hat outfit, but apparently there's going to be several different outfits you can wear, and what you're wearing may effect how people react to you in certain areas of the game.

I don't think he means just being harder than thou. I think he's complaining about poser rappers, they lie about them selves which is not the same as if they admited they were making fiction and playing a fictional character like I dunno...Kiss or David Bowie or something. Rappers are the ones who have chosen as a mantra "keep it real" and have been chanting it for like 10 years. So I don't think he's saying you're not allowed to enjoy the music because it's not non-fiction. ;)





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"Re(1):San Andreas: Will it live up to Vice Ci" , posted Fri 27 Aug 12:07post reply


Vice City was kind of empty and meaningless. It was still fun, but it was missing the heart of GTA3. I wish they never had the main character talk. Miyamato has it right, who needs to hear Link's voice or Tommy Vercitti for that matter.

That being said, I think SA will deliver the goods just because of the seemingly endless variety on what is essentialy the same core game of GTA3. Rockstar is predicting somewhere between 10 - 12 million copies will be sold. I expect at least that and probably more.

The only thing that could cause problems is that you play as a black dude and you can steal TV's at night to make money. But with the election it should slip under the mainstream media wire.





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"Re(3):Posting her view on the game....." , posted Fri 27 Aug 13:09post reply


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"Will it live up to Vice City", you ask? Well, IMO there's not much to live up to. Sure, both GTA3 and VC had some stuff going for them, but ultimately I found them both mind-numbingly boring after about a week's playing. And just driving around doing random criminal stuff got boring after playing GTA1 for about an hour, so there's not much for me there either...



Yeah,one of the things that annoyed me was finding those damn hidden packages in VC. Anyone know what those things were? I couldn't tell what they looked like.






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"Re(6):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Fri 27 Aug 14:11post reply


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I think he's complaining about poser rappers, they lie about them selves which is not the same as if they admited they were making fiction and playing a fictional character like I dunno...Kiss or David Bowie or something. Rappers are the ones who have chosen as a mantra "keep it real" and have been chanting it for like 10 years. So I don't think he's saying you're not allowed to enjoy the music because it's not non-fiction. ;)



Basically, summed up, yes. Thanks Gen. Seriously, I got no problem with gimmick rappers, I mean some of my favorite are guys like MF Doom who pretend their superheros or villains or guys like that. But they admit it is just a gimmick, they don't take it seriously and run with it. I just think many alleged "gangsters" should admit they are not really gangsters and just be who they are.