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| CrazyMax 368th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):regarding 'wiggaz'"
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For every person black or not, that imagines themselves as having 'survived' Compton and wanting to pretend they are 'hard', this game has become a must have...
Part of this game is going to give players a chance to pretend to be like NWA. It will play up the Cali 'gangsta' lifestyle and become a license to print money.
First I have to agree that this is a fairly accurate assessment. The setting is one of the big reasons I'm excited about playing the game. It's never been done properly before, and I think that San Andreas has a shot at it. The other is the last two GTA games have been very well-done.
While I don't really take issue with the word 'wiggaz' in this context, I think is important to remember when discussing this game is that 'wanting to be a gangsta' does not equal 'wanting to be black'. Same thing with being fascinated by a hard life, rapping, finding black women attractive, etc.
The statement is made in the regard that Rockstar has made a mint off of making games that emulate the criminal lifestyle. The previous two games were big hits with the 'black' crowd as well as the 'white' crowd. Yet the emphasis was always plainly on genre of sorts. GTA 3 was mafia movies, Vice City was Miami Vice & Scarface, but this is directly aimed at a lifestyle.
A lifestyle that has been made into a genre. A genre that for the most part has been supported monetarily by 'white' audiences. It's been widely supported that the explosion of the Hip Hop/Rap/Gangsta music biz has been directly related by the increase of purchases by not only black audiences, but other races as well, primarily whites. One of the biggest examples of this has been the overwhelming success of white rappers, compared to black rappers. From Vanilla Ice to Eminem, the belief being that they recieve more white paying customers.
It's this very audience that is the percieved target for San Andreas. After all, the belief is that the core videogaming audience is white males, 12 - 24 or something. Rockstar is counting on a large part of that group being 'wiggaz', and that the 'black' audience that has embraced the GTA series to buy the game.
In this case with the scenes of groups looking like NWA, mimicking scenes from Boyz in the Hood, makes indeed look more like an appeal to 'being black', and not just an appeal to a genre. Right down to choosing your haircut style...
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| Crazymike 979th Post
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| "Re(3):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 19:34
As far as i'm concerned, being a wigger is not really even funny anymore because most rappers in the industry are not "gangstas" who survived the hard-streets. Seriously, it is all club music shit now and truth be known, many white kids who grew up in trailers probably lived no more of an easy life than the bump and grind, flash rappers from groups like Outkast, Nelly, or even single rappers like Kanye West or Twista, whatever.
Basically what I am saying is that "true" gangster rap has been dead since the early 1990s, and really you can't call whites who imitate the lifestyle as posers because even the actual black rappers in the industry are posers themselves, I almost find them to be even more comical than wiggers seeing them bouncing around with so much gold on their wrists and around their neck that they are like serious versions of Ali G.
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| Gen 2665th Post
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| "Re(4):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 20:17
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As far as i'm concerned, being a wigger is not really even funny anymore because most rappers in the industry are not "gangstas" who survived the hard-streets. Seriously, it is all club music shit now and truth be known, many white kids who grew up in trailers probably lived no more of an easy life than the bump and grind, flash rappers from groups like Outkast, Nelly, or even single rappers like Kanye West or Twista, whatever.
Basically what I am saying is that "true" gangster rap has been dead since the early 1990s, and really you can't call whites who imitate the lifestyle as posers because even the actual black rappers in the industry are posers themselves, I almost find them to be even more comical than wiggers seeing them bouncing around with so much gold on their wrists and around their neck that they are like serious versions of Ali G.
So to sum up:
Not just some white people, but some black people can be wiggers to. (Wigger is more useable if you say the "W" is for Wannabe because it's not just masturbating bizkiteer white teens who are wanna be niggers.) Wiggers are lame. VH1 is pretty lame but MTV is worse.
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| Shin Ramberk
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| "Re(6):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 20:55
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So to sum up:
Not just some white people, but some black people can be wiggers to. (Wigger is more useable if you say the "W" is for Wannabe because it's not just masturbating bizkiteer white teens who are wanna be niggers.) Wiggers are lame. VH1 is pretty lame but MTV is worse.
What I am saying is basically, the state of mainstream rap/hip hop is pretty much a circus and that it doesn't matter if you are white or black, either way it is all a joke in itself now.
Hey hey hey. I take issue with some of these statements Señor Crazy. This is a response to this quote and other statements you've made in this thread.
First off, not everyone in the hip-hop/rap community is trying emmulate the gangsta theme/idea. Hip-hop and rap is not a subset of Gangsta Rap. Gangsta Rap is a subset of RAP. So, calling newer rappers gangsta rap posers is silly. Cause there is hardly any new gangsta rappers in the mainstream-- if any at all.
Secondly. Not all of the new rap/hip-hop acts are posers or dance music drones. Outkast has been out for a while and so have the Beastie Boys. Just because they are popular, doesn't mean they are sellouts or posers.
Thirdly, there are plenty of posers and artificial bands out there. But not everyone that is new and popular is a poser or artificial.
In summary. Don't make blanket, generalized statements about the community as a whole. And watch out who you name drop too, cause its easy to name drop and simply not back up your words. Like Outkast for example. They are true, 'middle' school hip hop.
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| crazymike 982th Post
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| "Re(7):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 22:12
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In summary. Don't make blanket, generalized statements about the community as a whole. And watch out who you name drop too, cause its easy to name drop and simply not back up your words. Like Outkast for example. They are true, 'middle' school hip hop.
But still, even the mainstream hip hop acts use the word "gangster" all the time when they really aren't even trying to be gangster rap. One could argue that well, it is just another word now and it has been cheapened, but even big boi of Outkast drops the word numerous times even though it is supposed to be southern rap and not related at all. I just think it is a word that is thrown around too much in an effort to make yourself look more hardcore.
I agree hip hop is not all about gangsterism, personally I prefer underground acts like Non Phixion, Tragedy Khadafi, Jedi Mind Tricks, the Arsonists, etc. But what I like about them is they don't make dance club music and then try too hard by introducing such products as "Pimp" juice, they let the music speak for itself. I think too many mainstream rappers are trying to portray themselves as living the hard life when they haven't. And it is not that I believe rappers should only be respected if they grew up living the hard life, I just believe they should be true to themselves and not attach a label to themselves that they aren't. Not every rap group is Westside Connection or NWA, and many need to stop acting like they are and set themselves apart instead of picking apart some of the other elements and fusing it with a totally different style.
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| Gen 2667th Post
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| "Re(8):regarding 'WSC'" , posted Sun 22 Aug 22:59:
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In summary. Don't make blanket, generalized statements about the community as a whole. And watch out who you name drop too, cause its easy to name drop and simply not back up your words. Like Outkast for example. They are true, 'middle' school hip hop.
But still, even the mainstream hip hop acts use the word "gangster" all the time when they really aren't even trying to be gangster rap. One could argue that well, it is just another word now and it has been cheapened, but even big boi of Outkast drops the word numerous times even though it is supposed to be southern rap and not related at all. I just think it is a word that is thrown around too much in an effort to make yourself look more hardcore.
I agree hip hop is not all about gangsterism, personally I prefer underground acts like Non Phixion, Tragedy Khadafi, Jedi Mind Tricks, the Arsonists, etc. But what I like about them is they don't make dance club music and then try too hard by introducing such products as "Pimp" juice, they let the music speak for itself. I think too many mainstream rappers are trying to portray themselves as living the hard life when they haven't. And it is not that I believe rappers should only be respected if they grew up living the hard life, I just believe they should be true to themselves and not attach a label to themselves that they aren't. Not every rap group is Westside Connection or NWA, and many need to stop acting like they are and set themselves apart instead of picking apart some of the other elements and fusing it with a totally different style.
Even though I feel rap peaked in the early 90s, and I don't like 99% of rap now, WSC is my favorite rap group. Actual gangbangers aren't supposed to take it well when people mimic them like suburban kids doing the cwalk or whatever. I know this is totally off topic now but I just wanted to put that one more thought.
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| DarkZero 893th Post
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| "Re(4):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Mon 23 Aug 02:35
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As far as i'm concerned, being a wigger is not really even funny anymore because most rappers in the industry are not "gangstas" who survived the hard-streets. Seriously, it is all club music shit now and truth be known, many white kids who grew up in trailers probably lived no more of an easy life than the bump and grind, flash rappers from groups like Outkast, Nelly, or even single rappers like Kanye West or Twista, whatever.
Basically what I am saying is that "true" gangster rap has been dead since the early 1990s, and really you can't call whites who imitate the lifestyle as posers because even the actual black rappers in the industry are posers themselves, I almost find them to be even more comical than wiggers seeing them bouncing around with so much gold on their wrists and around their neck that they are like serious versions of Ali G.
Honestly, as an outsider (non-fan) looking in, I just wonder when this "hardcore-er than thou" shit is going to end. I mean, I've been watching more and more samurai movies lately (thank you, Suprnova), and I don't sit there thinking about how "true" samurai drama ended in the Edo Period, or that Shintaro Katsu is a poser because he never lived the real hard life of the wandering swordsman. It's fiction. It is well done. That is all that it requires. Why is that not enough for rap music and urban games/movies?
And also, it's worth mentioning that the new EGM brings up the fact that you can customize your character's clothing quite a bit. The only example they have so far is a redneck plaid shirt and cowboy hat outfit, but apparently there's going to be several different outfits you can wear, and what you're wearing may effect how people react to you in certain areas of the game.
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| Mosquiton 1313th Post
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| "being black again" , posted Mon 23 Aug 07:52
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In this case with the scenes of groups looking like NWA, mimicking scenes from Boyz in the Hood, makes indeed look more like an appeal to 'being black', and not just an appeal to a genre. Right down to choosing your haircut style...
Though I'm not black, I choose my hair style too...
'The Sopranos' is loaded with authentic cultural details including language, food, history, but nobody would take it as an appeal to being Italian. Of course since you're watching and not doing that's not a perfect example.
But in the 'Way of the Samurai' series you can go to the public bath, buy some time with a geisha, and fight a duel with a Ronin in the moonlight. Is this an appeal to 'being Japanese', or 'being a samurai'?
I guess you could be using 'being black' in the sense of what a lot of people mistake as(including some black people) 'black culture' and 'black identity'. Obviously, being a west coast gangsta in the 90s isn't a common experience all blacks share or identify with. Hip-hop may have African roots, but it's not a part of being black any more than country western is a part of being white. That's why I have a problem with the wording.
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| Gen 2668th Post
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| "Re(5):regarding 'wiggaz'" , posted Tue 24 Aug 01:05
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As far as i'm concerned, being a wigger is not really even funny anymore because most rappers in the industry are not "gangstas" who survived the hard-streets. Seriously, it is all club music shit now and truth be known, many white kids who grew up in trailers probably lived no more of an easy life than the bump and grind, flash rappers from groups like Outkast, Nelly, or even single rappers like Kanye West or Twista, whatever.
Basically what I am saying is that "true" gangster rap has been dead since the early 1990s, and really you can't call whites who imitate the lifestyle as posers because even the actual black rappers in the industry are posers themselves, I almost find them to be even more comical than wiggers seeing them bouncing around with so much gold on their wrists and around their neck that they are like serious versions of Ali G.
Honestly, as an outsider (non-fan) looking in, I just wonder when this "hardcore-er than thou" shit is going to end. I mean, I've been watching more and more samurai movies lately (thank you, Suprnova), and I don't sit there thinking about how "true" samurai drama ended in the Edo Period, or that Shintaro Katsu is a poser because he never lived the real hard life of the wandering swordsman. It's fiction. It is well done. That is all that it requires. Why is that not enough for rap music and urban games/movies?
And also, it's worth mentioning that the new EGM brings up the fact that you can customize your character's clothing quite a bit. The only example they have so far is a redneck plaid shirt and cowboy hat outfit, but apparently there's going to be several different outfits you can wear, and what you're wearing may effect how people react to you in certain areas of the game.
I don't think he means just being harder than thou. I think he's complaining about poser rappers, they lie about them selves which is not the same as if they admited they were making fiction and playing a fictional character like I dunno...Kiss or David Bowie or something. Rappers are the ones who have chosen as a mantra "keep it real" and have been chanting it for like 10 years. So I don't think he's saying you're not allowed to enjoy the music because it's not non-fiction. ;)
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