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"Famicon mini series..." , posted Wed 11 Aug 20:40post reply


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A total of 2 700 000 copies of famicon mini have been sold in Japan only. The third series is released now, including Adventure of Link, Castlevania, Super Mario 2... so the number will continue higher and higher. And since the other makers (Konami, Capcom, etc) were extremely pleased by the trend, so this is probably not the last series. There is nothing that could stop them from releasing all the 6 Rockman individualy at 2000 yen each while releasing the compilation on PS2 and GC.

Now : what do you think the game companies learned from the huge success that idea of selling of an emulator + one rom at this price received ? Also, do you think, like Jacques Derrida, that, according to Kant, "because reason is 'conscious of its impotence to satisfy its moral need' it has recourse to the parergon, to grace, to mystery, to miracles" ?

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"Re(1):Famicon mini series..." , posted Wed 11 Aug 21:06post reply


*DEEP BREATH*
Comrades!

I blame capitalistic ideology. The bourgeous running the industry are only interested in taking the livelihood of the working man by re-selling products from years ago. These people, comrade, must be stopped!

It would be unlikely that I buy any Rockman games again at 20 Rubles, I mean $20 each for the GBA when the collection is available for PS2 and GC.

Besides, why should I buy the GBA version of Super Mario Bros when I can play the original version on my Dandy--er, NES?





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"Re(1):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 02:35:post reply


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A total of 2 700 000 copies of famicon mini have been sold in Japan only. The third series is released now, including Adventure of Link, Castlevania, Super Mario 2... so the number will continue higher and higher. And since the other makers (Konami, Capcom, etc) were extremely pleased by the trend, so this is probably not the last series. There is nothing that could stop them from releasing all the 6 Rockman individualy at 2000 yen each while releasing the compilation on PS2 and GC.

Now : what do you think the game companies learned from the huge success that idea of selling of an emulator + one rom at this price received ?
It is interesting. Personally I like it when companies put more than one game in a package....
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Also, do you think, like Jacques Derrida, that, according to Kant, "because reason is 'conscious of its impotence to satisfy its moral need' it has recourse to the parergon, to grace, to mystery, to miracles" ?

Discuss. 10 000 words or more. You have 3 hours.

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"Re(1):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 07:40:post reply


quote:
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A total of 2 700 000 copies of famicon mini have been sold in Japan only. The third series is released now, including Adventure of Link, Castlevania, Super Mario 2... so the number will continue higher and higher. And since the other makers (Konami, Capcom, etc) were extremely pleased by the trend, so this is probably not the last series. There is nothing that could stop them from releasing all the 6 Rockman individualy at 2000 yen each while releasing the compilation on PS2 and GC.

Now : what do you think the game companies learned from the huge success that idea of selling of an emulator + one rom at this price received ? Also, do you think, like Jacques Derrida, that, according to Kant, "because reason is 'conscious of its impotence to satisfy its moral need' it has recourse to the parergon, to grace, to mystery, to miracles" ?

Discuss. 10 000 words or more. You have 3 hours.



I don't think that this series will continue to sell at this pace. After a while I believe the line will lose its novelty (the boxes are pretty cool) and people will stop buying them.






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"Re(1):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 12:17post reply


I like the idea, but they should put all this stuff on Gamecube discs and release them as collections.

For the record mini famicom japanse boxes are teh rulez!





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"Re(2):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 12:38post reply


I agree that it's cool for the novelty, but old the old games should really be stuffed together on compilation games on the newer systems. Just efficient and fun I gues





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"Re(1):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 16:07:post reply


Ugh. my long rant got somehow deleted (does the updated board have anti-rant protocols?) Anyway, I could care less if Nintendo re-issued Legend Of Zelda 1 on a Solid Gold NES/Famicon cartridge. Actually I would care, just for the "oooh, wow, factor."

My other point, if you think its cool to have these old classics on your GBA then more power to you. I don't really understand the whole complaining arguments.

Its not like Nintendo were releasing BAD games on their GBA. Oh wait, maybe we should spend $30 on a brand new, recently developed POS game. Yeah, cause newer is better.





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"Re(2):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 18:54post reply


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Ugh. my long rant got somehow deleted (does the updated board have anti-rant protocols?) Anyway, I could care less if Nintendo re-issued Legend Of Zelda 1 on a Solid Gold NES/Famicon cartridge. Actually I would care, just for the "oooh, wow, factor."

My other point, if you think its cool to have these old classics on your GBA then more power to you. I don't really understand the whole complaining arguments.

Its not like Nintendo were releasing BAD games on their GBA. Oh wait, maybe we should spend $30 on a brand new, recently developed POS game. Yeah, cause newer is better.



Huh?? That's not why people are complaining at all. People don't want companies to look at Nintendo's laziness and decide they can also charge 66% of full price for a 20 year old rom lazily slammed on a cart since Nintendo fans are very (trying to think of non insulting term) "dedicated" to the brand instead of releasing compilations like with Megaman or Namco.






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"Re(1):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 19:40post reply


Nintendo seems to have put the cart before the horse with a lot of the titles planned:

Metroid-bonus feature in Zero Mission
Donkey Kong- E-card game
Excite Bike- E-card game AND hidden in Excite Bike 64
Baloon Fight- I believe is an E-card game
Ice Climbers- E-card game
Mario Bros.- An E-card game AND a pointless extra in every goddamn Mario Advance release!!
Pac-Man- avalible in countless other releases... also one of them cool "controlls that hooks up directly to your TV" arcade game sets you see at TRU
Dr.Mario-techincally can be unlocked in WarioWarez
Super Mario Brothers-Mario DX offered more gameplay and goodies
Super Mario 2- Hidden in Mario DX
Zelda 1 and 2- Both were included on the Zelda Collector's Disc Nintendo offered for a limited time

Why would I spend $20 to get Metroid or Dr.Mario when I could spend $30 and get Metroid and Dr.Mario WITH a brand new game? (okay, techincally Dr.Wario doesn't let you pick the music, lacks two player mode, and the sprites are changed... but are those really worth $20 alone if you own WarioWarez?)

FuncolandGameStop and other used game stores around the country from time to time get in used copies of Mario DX and the Zelda's collectors disc...both of which sell for less then the cost of buying Zelda 1&2/Super Mario 1&2 so you'd be getting a lot more bang for your buck to hunt those down (I guess you could give Zelda 1&2 bonus points for being portable... but is $40 for two games instead $30 of 4 really worth being able to play on the bus?)

I liked the E-Reader, but yeah it was crap... but still if you planned to buy at least 3 of the Famicon Mini-games that are also E-cards it's the same value... and the Famicon Mini's don't give Mario Brothers 3 new features!

Mario Bros. though is the real kick in the nuts... Nintendo has been GIVING IT AWAY since the GBA's birth in every Mario Game, AND made it into an E-card game... yet still thinks people want to spend $20 for a game that's only mildly amusing?!

So basically my point is:
These would be a great thing if Nintendo could put them out for like $10 or they hadn't put so many of them out in other better forms (or in the E-card games case just 'other forms')... maybe they should just keep the NES games as unlockables and stuck with porting a bunch of Super NES games to the GBA with new features (like the Mario Advance games) and charging $30+ for them

I am tempted by Castlevania though, It's not hidden in Boktai or one of the Non-SotN PSX/PS2/N64 games or something is it?






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"Re(1):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 19:42:post reply


The idea of somebody actually PAYING for that Excitebike crap was already scary back in the NES days... but today it's just sad.





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"Re(2):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 21:25post reply


I'm waiting for Nintendo to release Super Mario Brothers 3 in the Famicon Mini-series, with it's old NES art. Redundant yes, but I can see them doing it...

Though if they do Maniac Mansion from the NES I'll so be there, even if it is as is...





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"Re(3):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 22:38post reply


I want to explain why I WOULD (and WILL) still buy the Zelda games for GBA even though they are on the collectors disk I have (also people who missed out on the disk may want to get them for GBA, or people with a GBA and no GCN, because there actually seem to be a lot of those people since so many people complain about GBA to GCN connectivity). Anyways, I can't play my GCN portably. That's pretty much why I'll still buy the first Zelda for my GCN even though I have it on my NES (which doesn't work anymore, and the battery save on that cartridge won't last forever anyway). I take my GBA a lot of places when I can't play my GCN and so for that it's very beneficial to have those games. Also, I never bought an e-reader (if I wanted any of those other games, which I really am not too interested in getting, except maybe Bomberman...dunno what is in the second and third wave, though I'm sure there are games in those series I'll want). The $20 doesn't bother me at all. Sure if it was $15 (like it is at Circuit City last time I checked anyway) I'd like it even better. But these games were more than $20 when we bought them for our NES systems originally. Some of them were even over $40 (like the Zelda games) so I'm not gonna whine about price. For me, I think the NES series games are a good idea and maybe I'm just a nostalgic fool but if I am, so be it. If you don't like the idea, then fine, don't buy them and think of them what you will.







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"Re(4):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 23:14post reply


The Famicon Mini series is a good idea. However, I expect... well, a little more nowadays. Be it upgraded graphics, sound, extra content, or whatnot, I am used to getting more than a minimal "it works" job when it comes to ports. I've been spoiled...

- The new Final Fantasy ports got new graphics/music/options when they went to PSOne, and they're getting extra dungeons for the GBA.
- The GGX2 port for Xbox adds Live! play and is a budget title.
- Street Fighter Anniversary Collection is both SF2 and SF3:TS as one $30 deal instead of two separate purchases like it is elsewhere.
- SNK games are (usually) packaged as two-for-one bundles, and even those ports get some art galleries or little sliding tile games.
- Failing that, they try to sell me quantity over [new] quality. There are numerous Atari/Intellivision collections sold for $20-$30. The Sonic Collection for Gamecube would be a "it works" job, but they put enough games in to make it worth the purchase. Same with the Megaman Collection.

I guess I'm worried that one of two things will happen:
1) Companies start doing no-frills ports and selling them for $20-$30 each. (So Capcom decides that their upcomong MM1-5 Game Boy collection would be better off as five separate $20 game cartridges instead of one package, that they don't need to add Dante to the PS2 port of Viewtiful Joe, or that they didn't need to update the graphics for the Resident Evil ports.)
2) Regurgitated emulation titles will push new game titles out of the release schedule since they're more profitable. (On one hand, it's great that new gamers will have ready access to some of the really good old games. On the other, I didn't buy a next-gen console to play last-gen ports.)





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"Re(3):Famicon mini series..." , posted Thu 12 Aug 23:20post reply


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I'm waiting for Nintendo to release Super Mario Brothers 3 in the Famicon Mini-series, with it's old NES art. Redundant yes, but I can see them doing it...




Thats what I have really wanted for a long time. I can't stand the all-stars versions, I want mario 3 in its original form.





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"Re(4):Famicon mini series..." , posted Fri 13 Aug 00:40post reply


Note : Remember Nintendo first released the upgraded version of SMR 1, 2, USA and 3 in ONE GAME on SFC.
But when the GBA came out, they realized it would be imensely more profitable to sell each one separately and charge you the price of a full new game for it. But hey, it had the original Mario game in it ! Yeay!





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"Re(5):Famicon mini series..." , posted Fri 13 Aug 01:21post reply


quote:
Note : Remember Nintendo first released the upgraded version of SMR 1, 2, USA and 3 in ONE GAME on SFC.
But when the GBA came out, they realized it would be imensely more profitable to sell each one separately and charge you the price of a full new game for it. But hey, it had the original Mario game in it ! Yeay!



You could certainly put several NES sized games on one GBA cart, but the whole novely behind these 'reissues' is that they hearken back to the old NES days. The packaging and the fact that each game comes in one cartridge-- its all suppose to emulate the feeling of the old NES days. I know I sound like a marketing drone but I think you guys just don't get the point behind these games. I also see these games also as 'collectors items.'

Yes, Nintendo is milking it for all its worth and yes, all they want is money. But I also see the nostalgia value to it. The whole packaging and the way the entire product is put together, its a repackaging of our childhood and selling it back to us. Some people think that's scummy, I think its just smart business and just something neat for older folks to like.

Upgraded graphics and multiple games on one cartridge with bonus material would be WRONG. Why? Because then we wouldn't be playing the games that we enjoyed as children. And its all about nostalgia. You could only do this on a GBA anyway, because the whole experience is supposed to be a melding of the GBA/modern technology with our childhood memories/old NES games. Thats why you have one game, as is, on one cartridge. Thats why we get multiple games on the Gamecube/PS2 re-releases, because they are not going for the same effect as these NES/GBA cartridges.

Am I making my point? Eh, maybe not. Who cares.





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"Re(6):Famicon mini series..." , posted Fri 13 Aug 01:28:post reply


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I also see these games also as 'collectors items.'

Wouldn't a collector item be the original game ? (If "collector" means anything like "useless thing you keep to put on a shelve and never ever touch it again because you have upgraded versions of the game or better games to play")
I know that's what my LE edition of U:Saga good old RomaSaGa card are for.

Anyways : Capcom, where is that Vampire Chronicle PS2 port so I can buy the game for the 4th time?





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"Re(6):Famicon mini series..." , posted Fri 13 Aug 05:22:post reply


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Upgraded graphics and multiple games on one cartridge with bonus material would be WRONG. Why? Because then we wouldn't be playing the games that we enjoyed as children. And its all about nostalgia. You could only do this on a GBA anyway, because the whole experience is supposed to be a melding of the GBA/modern technology with our childhood memories/old NES games. Thats why you have one game, as is, on one cartridge. Thats why we get multiple games on the Gamecube/PS2 re-releases, because they are not going for the same effect as these NES/GBA cartridges.



Since we're playing this on the GBA SP anyway, we've already gone past the point of no return regarding having the exact same experience as when we were in grade school playing Excitebike for the first time. I think very few people would seriously complain about losing their prepackaged nostalgic experience (thank you Walker Percy) if Nintendo released these as compilations. I mean in America we aren't even getting the cool boxes, just shitty ones they through together and they're even missing some of the stuff the original games came with.

I'm not saying Nintendo SHOULDN'T do this because clearly they are making money which is what they are in the business of doing (not selflessly sitting on a mountain making games for the enjoyment of humanity like some people make them out to be). I just think it's silly to pay $20 for stuff that obviously no effort was put into for the sake of nostalgia, which I think is a stupid thing to get obsessed with.

EDIT: Also as Iggy said these games will have almost no collector's value since tons of people are already buying and hoarding them in their closets in the special box Nintendo was selling/giving away. The originals are worth something because our moms threw away the boxes or gave them to the Salvation Army and now there are very few copies left in excellent condition. The used American ones will be selling for $5 at Gamestop within a year or so.






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