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| Luisinan 994th Post
 
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|  "The Martial Arts Thread (please be serious)"
, posted Mon 2 Aug 23:48
Hey all,
So I'm gonna start learning aikido. I'm excited. I'm doing this cause, well, I want to learn a self defense martial art, even though aikido is technically not a 'self defense' martial art (long story).
So, yeah, the point of this thread is to hear what you guys think about martial arts. Just post what you feel about them. I don't know a lot about martial arts. I was thinking of learning judo/jujitsu instead of aikido, but I felt that aikido was more balanced. You could use aikido in more situations then judo/jujitsu. But what's your opinion? I think TKD and other styles are more for show, competition and excercise. I want to learn how to defend myself and not fight in a structured setting. I'm also not looking to get into fights either. That's why I chose aikido.
Plus, you get to look like fucking Geese when you do it. Damn, it is so cool/funny doing the throws. Its Geese man, its Geese!
Lastly, please behave. These martial arts threads can get pretty nasty. Just respect each other's opinions.
oh yeah, and I did take a months worth of capoeriea in college. that stuff is cool. not sure if its very good in a real fight, but its friggen fun and cool to do. maybe I'll take it up again. I also like tai chi, but don't have the patience for the slow movements-- which is contradictory, I know.
Oh yeah #2, and if anyone has the links to the 'real life' Ryu and Sagat. Re-post them, just for the sake of the newbies to read it.
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| ONSLAUGHT 2793th Post
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| "Re(1):The Martial Arts Thread (please be seri" , posted Mon 2 Aug 23:59
quote:
Hey all,
So I'm gonna start learning aikido. I'm excited. I'm doing this cause, well, I want to learn a self defense martial art, even though aikido is technically not a 'self defense' martial art (long story).
So, yeah, the point of this thread is to hear what you guys think about martial arts. Just post what you feel about them. I don't know a lot about martial arts. I was thinking of learning judo/jujitsu instead of aikido, but I felt that aikido was more balanced. You could use aikido in more situations then judo/jujitsu. But what's your opinion? I think TKD and other styles are more for show, competition and excercise. I want to learn how to defend myself and not fight in a structured setting. I'm also not looking to get into fights either. That's why I chose aikido.
Plus, you get to look like fucking Geese when you do it. Damn, it is so cool/funny doing the throws. Its Geese man, its Geese!
Lastly, please behave. These martial arts threads can get pretty nasty. Just respect each other's opinions.
oh yeah, and I did take a months worth of capoeriea in college. that stuff is cool. not sure if its very good in a real fight, but its friggen fun and cool to do. maybe I'll take it up again. I also like tai chi, but don't have the patience for the slow movements-- which is contradictory, I know.
Oh yeah #2, and if anyone has the links to the 'real life' Ryu and Sagat. Re-post them, just for the sake of the newbies to read it.
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buy a gun instead
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| Bushinryuu
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| "Re(1):The Martial Arts Thread (please be seri" , posted Tue 3 Aug 04:52
quote:
So, yeah, the point of this thread is to hear what you guys think about martial arts. Just post what you feel about them. I don't know a lot about martial arts. I was thinking of learning judo/jujitsu instead of aikido, but I felt that aikido was more balanced. You could use aikido in more situations then judo/jujitsu. But what's your opinion? I think TKD and other styles are more for show, competition and excercise. I want to learn how to defend myself and not fight in a structured setting. I'm also not looking to get into fights either. That's why I chose aikido.
Plus, you get to look like fucking Geese when you do it. Damn, it is so cool/funny doing the throws. Its Geese man, its Geese!
I think learning a martial art is a good way to learn about defending yourself, but more to get the gist of the idea.
I think there are two sides to learning a martial art: learning the art itself (rules, tradition, movements) and it's application in real life.
Not always is it practical to apply direct techniques learned in a martial art to real life situations. Applying it to be useful self-defense might require a little bit of modifying/adapting of what you've learned.
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| Oroch 655th Post
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|  "Re(2):The Martial Arts Thread (please be seri"
, posted Tue 3 Aug 05:36:
note: if you want to KICK ASS, EARN POINTS, STAIN YOUR HANDS WITH PEOPLES BUTT, then aikido isnt for you
youre better off learning a nice linear "aggressive" sport art, like the karate and tkd courses taught in malls
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but if you can stick with it and realize what it really is, then you'll become invicible + as everyone will point out, you'll look cool in a red hakama
and aikido makes a good jumping off point for bujinkan budo taijitsu, should you want to expand your learning
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| Juke Joint Jezebel 3071th Post
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|  "Re(2):The Martial Arts Thread (please be seri"
, posted Tue 3 Aug 07:09
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I think there are two sides to learning a martial art: learning the art itself (rules, tradition, movements) and it's application in real life.
hmm i don't think so. at least not the way you're putting it. people have their own reasons to practice martial arts, but to go into it just so you can be ready to use it in a situation outside of your training sounds a little bloodthirsty. i can understand self-defense but ...
(btw, i'm not necessarily attacking you. i'm just giving my opinions)
if you've practiced a certain martial art long enough (karate, for instance), you'll know how to react if the situation arises. it prepares your mind and body for whatever
i think that whole spiritual fulfillment through martial arts, and the endurance and training you put your mind and body through is why people should study it. but even if that isn't the reason, it's good if they study it anyways. if they keep it up, they'll find inner peace through training sooner or later
in other words, just get a gun
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| Sano 976th Post
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| "Re(3):The Martial Arts Thread (please be seri" , posted Tue 3 Aug 09:41
I studied Chinese Kempo for 2 years, about 5 years ago. It was really great, but lots of things in my life like starting College, not being able to afford it, and then Freelanceing kind of forced me to give it up. There are still lots of things I remember, how to get out of strangle holds, how to evade muggings, how to cut somebody with just a pair of keys that are still usefull. The most important lesson you learn is how to avoid situations and you learn to fight in order not to fight and how to difuse situations before they get to that point. So I valued everything I learned, I never set out to master the style but it was something very important that helped shape who I am.
Anyway, if you ever get into a fight, never tell the police that you study Martial Arts. The offender can press charges against you, even if it's a mugger. This sounds stupid but it's true(Depends more on where you live though.) Just say you learned Martial Arts from TV. Yeah, it's a crazy world we live in where a mugger can press charges against you, but that's the way it is...
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| Krzyzewski Man 807th Post
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| "Pros and Cons" , posted Tue 3 Aug 09:56:
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buy a gun instead
Onslaught ! He said "be serious" !
And he said please. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED
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He has to get a sword and a yellow leather outfit.
Also an excellent idea.
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But anyway, what I really wanted to talk about in this post are some martial arts that would be good for you to take, and what the pros and cons of each would be.
Kung fu: Since it's the only martial art I am trained in personally, I can give the best testimony here. I myself would definitely recommend this to you, if only for its versatility. I'm not that deep into it, and I already know tons of close range strikes of all kinds (and how to use them to actually hurt someone), a large array of self-defense techniques and grapples(including disarming techs and a punch counter that's an easy armbreak if you've got it down), and not only that, our defensive techniques are definitely up to snuff (kung fu blocks are more like parries, and you can use 'em much like mini-aikido throws). It's quite complete, and at least in my academy, you got mandatory weapons training as well.
Muay Thai: I put this up here because when the training methods include kicking sandbags until you no longer feel pain, you know you will become a monstrous badass. If you do not want to spend the tedious months and/or years spent feeling pain while you kick said sandbags, and if you don't plan on getting disfigured in some way, shape, or form, this probably isn't something you'd want to stick with. (Everything here except the sandbags applies to Vale Tudo. See Craig Marduk sans piece of ear.)
Capoeira/some TKD schools: I mention these not so much for the self-defense (these are pretty limited in that regard, in my experience, and more suited for controlled fighting, i.e. sparring and tournaments), but for the physical benefit. A lot of martial arts don't really emphasize physical fitness. As my sifu used to say about his sifu (the current grandmaster of our martial art), if you ever were to, say, get into a fender bender with said grandmaster, and decided to violently take out your aggressions, you first thoughts upon seeing the grandmaster would be, "Who's this fatass?" They'd be your last thoughts, but the point I'm meandering towards is that if you want to really get in good shape, you might want to try Capoeira or a good TKD school, since you'll only get anywhere if you get in top shape soon. (Especially for Capoeira's repetitive acrobatics.)
Krav Maga: This is the Israeli national martial art, and it scares the fuck out of me. Krav Maga is designed for armed forces, and from what I understand, the basic mentality of a fighter of this school is "Survive at any cost, the cost usually being killing anything vaguely threatening." There isn't much better self-defense training, unless you become a Green Beret or something. If you do decide to take Krav Maga, please never go to the state of Mississippi, or I shall immediately let loose my bowels.
In closing, I really would recommend that you also get some type of self-defense weapon: pepper spray, a tazer, maybe even a knife. Fighting in an uncontrolled environment can throw anything at you, and depending on how dangerous the territory around you is, you want to have the best chance of survival. That is all.
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| Luisinan 996th Post
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| "Re(1):Pros and Cons" , posted Tue 3 Aug 18:05
In response to K-man's reply:
Kung Fu: Sounds interesting but it just seemed more of an 'aggresive' fighting style. Combative. Whereas aikido seems more defensive or 'movement' oriented (circumventing aggression, body and space displacement). But what do I know!
Muay Thai: Uh, no. Falls into the 'crazy man' fighting style. I don't know about the effectiveness, but yeah, losing pain is an effective way to fight. But not if it requires disfigurment and enduring years of pain. Not worth it. Unless I wanted to be a thug when I grow up. But nopes.
Capoeira: Yeah, I like this. I also agree, great way to get in shape. Plus its just awesome looking and fun. To bad I didn't learn more in school. Will want to revist this. Not that great in terms of a real fight though.
Krav Maga: Psychotic. Know very little of it, but not interested. Not if it makes me into some killer robot or insane man.
About your last comment on using pepper spray or a knife. Something the aikido instructors kept emphasizing was that aikido is not meant to hurt your opponent. Your merely displacing them, laying them down or moving yourself out of their way. But its not meant as an attack. Although, of course, aikido has plenty of things that could actually be used to hurt your opponent, but those are sort of like 'last resort' type things. And thats why I also appreciate aikido, this sort of non-aggression attitude. Because really, I'm not out to hurt people. A gun or a knife are an easy solution but... whatever, I just don't care for those things.
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| Time Mage 1931th Post
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| "Re(2):Pros and Cons" , posted Wed 4 Aug 04:46
Well, martial arts, I love them. All. I've studied Judo for a long time, and it's great. It's also in the "defensive" side of martial arts, along with Aikido, which I also love (I often arrived sooner to the gym to see the end of the Aikido classes). However, it has much more contact, and aggressivenes once you grabbed the other. Aikido is definitely the most beautiful of all.
And the point of this paragraph is? No idea, just threw a bunch of thoughts there. I wish I could practice all martial arts, having also time to play a lot of videogames and having great grades in the university.
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| Krzyzewski Man 811th Post
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| "Re(2):Pros and Cons" , posted Wed 4 Aug 16:07
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Kung Fu: Sounds interesting but it just seemed more of an 'aggresive' fighting style. Combative. Whereas aikido seems more defensive or 'movement' oriented (circumventing aggression, body and space displacement). But what do I know!
It probably depends a lot on the school of Kung Fu you're in. Remember, there's ungodly amounts of Kung Fu styles, and you never really know exactly what you're learning. I will say this: Lung Shou Pai Wu Shu (my Kung Fu school) really is quite movement and defense oriented. My sifu always used to remind us of how different Kung Fu and karate are: Kung Fu is very circular and flowing, and pure, well-executed Kung Fu is rare to see, especially in tournaments (where things often go down to a slugfest). Combative fighting is, before you get really experienced, easiest and most efficient when done simply: in sparring, we usually did best when we stuck to jabbing backfists, straight punches, and low roundhouse kicks.
quote Yeah, I like this. I also agree, great way to get in shape. Plus its just awesome looking and fun. To bad I didn't learn more in school. Will want to revist this. Not that great in terms of a real fight though.
I... might dispute that last point a little. I'm fairly sure that Capoeira demonstrations are, like forms, not really the fighting applications of the art. I'm also fairly sure the Tekken capoeiristras (sp?) aren't realistically done. Capoeira is distinctive, but I think you can do well in real fights as long as you keep it simple.
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Krav Maga: Psychotic. Know very little of it, but not interested. Not if it makes me into some killer robot or insane man.
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About your last comment on using pepper spray or a knife. Something the aikido instructors kept emphasizing was that aikido is not meant to hurt your opponent. Your merely displacing them, laying them down or moving yourself out of their way. But its not meant as an attack. Although, of course, aikido has plenty of things that could actually be used to hurt your opponent, but those are sort of like 'last resort' type things. And thats why I also appreciate aikido, this sort of non-aggression attitude. Because really, I'm not out to hurt people. A gun or a knife are an easy solution but... whatever, I just don't care for those things.
Well, like I said, actual fighting is a dirty business. I suggested a gun or knife or such in case you lived in a really crime-filled neighborhood. (I live in a suburb, and the only reason I'd ever buy a gun is if I move to New York or something.) But if you are in a situation where your survival is in serious jeopardy, nobility is not an asset. If someone wants you dead or injured, you stop them. If they're reaching into their coat pocket from even 10 feet away and they pull out a Glock, Aikido isn't going to help.
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| biggsyke
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| "Re(2):Pros and Cons" , posted Fri 6 Aug 15:39
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Muay Thai: Uh, no. Falls into the 'crazy man' fighting style. I don't know about the effectiveness, but yeah, losing pain is an effective way to fight. But not if it requires disfigurment and enduring years of pain. Not worth it. Unless I wanted to be a thug when I grow up. But nopes.
I am 20 and live in SJ, CA. When I was 14 I lived in SF and trained in Muay Thai at Fairtex (near the ballpark). After years of bruises and scars (including one above my left eye) I was ready to compete in my first tournament at 18. At a training session I was sparring with another student and took a kick to my right foot, was caught off balance, and landed crooked on it. I fractured my fibula, part of tibia, and tore a tendon. Needless to say I didn't compete. Six screws and a plate later, I've tried to take up Muay Thai again at Frank Shamrock's Kickboxing Academy (in SJ) but it's tough. Bottom line: Any martial art takes commitment and you will most likely get hurt along the way. However, you feel great and fulfilled knowing what you've accomplished.
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| Maou 260th Post
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| "Re(3):Pros and Cons" , posted Fri 6 Aug 21:04
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I... might dispute that last point a little. I'm fairly sure that Capoeira demonstrations are, like forms, not really the fighting applications of the art.
I agree with the K-man (sorry about the nickname, man, maybe 'FOG' just didn't catch on), I got to do Capoeira for about a year, and though it's normally got a happy vibe and the music and philosophy are great, it can definitely be transformed from dance-martialart into a killer fighting style. There were gangsters and thugs in Brazil a while back (maybe still today) who fought using violent capoeira skillst. It wasn't really in the cheery 'capoeira spirit' but hey, it was tough stuff.
I like Kenjutsu a lot, too, and even if it's not that easy to apply a sword cut itself in real life, the balance and speed you develop help you out a lot in other spaces besides the dojo. Plus if you ARE attacked by ninjas/Toxico's undead army/Iggy's foot, you'll be prepared.
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