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| DarkZero 855th Post
 
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|  "Re(4):New Capcom Comic article with new artwo"
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Why does everyone say Sakura being in Rival Schools means it's in the same universe as SF? Akuma was in X-men and yet nobody thinks SF and Marvel are in the same universe. They were both hidden characters, neither of them had any connection to existing characters, so what gives?
Well, I think it's more plausible that Rival Schools is in the same "Capcom" universe as Street Fighter. Why wouldn't it be? X-men isn't part of the Capcom universe because X-men is a Marvel franchise/property...not Capcom. Akuma in X-men:COTA is an easter egg/bonus character with no bearing on the storyline--I believe that's why he has no real ending in X:COTA. Its also like Spiderman in Tony Hawk 2.
But Rival Schools does seem like it can exist alongside Street Fighter. Of course, it's never proven, but with Sakura's storyline in Rival Schools, its possible.
It might be safe to say that Sakura links SF and RS.
Final Fight is also connected to Street Fighter so I don't think it's not too outrageous to think RS and SF are in the same universe since they are both "realistic" (as in no Darkstalker Monsters monsters, giant robots or Captain Commando).
I think the question you have to ask yourself when deciding whether or not two sets of characters in a crossover are in the same universe is whether or not it makes sense. Are huge breaks in continuity required to get the characters together? Does anyone's powers have to be uber-nerfed so they aren't an indestructible god of war compared to the characters that they're crossing over with? Does it seem like these characters could've easily appeared in the other story's continuity if they didn't appear in their own?
For instance, Viewtiful Joe and Devil May Cry have completely different worlds with very different atmospheres, so that's definitely a crossover. Rival Schools and Street Fighter, on the other hand, are both about young street fighters with semi-magical martial arts powers, so there's a good chance that if someone could shove a logical story between them (like Sakura's story mode), then it's the same universe.
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| Gojira 1484th Post
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| "Re(5):New Capcom Comic article with new artwo" , posted Mon 12 Jul 06:37
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I think the question you have to ask yourself when deciding whether or not two sets of characters in a crossover are in the same universe is whether or not it makes sense. Are huge breaks in continuity required to get the characters together? Does anyone's powers have to be uber-nerfed so they aren't an indestructible god of war compared to the characters that they're crossing over with? Does it seem like these characters could've easily appeared in the other story's continuity if they didn't appear in their own?
For instance, Viewtiful Joe and Devil May Cry have completely different worlds with very different atmospheres, so that's definitely a crossover. Rival Schools and Street Fighter, on the other hand, are both about young street fighters with semi-magical martial arts powers, so there's a good chance that if someone could shove a logical story between them (like Sakura's story mode), then it's the same universe.
What logical story? She didn't have anything but a pointless ending. No dialogues, nothing to explain why she ended up going after Gorudo and Hyo, unlike everyone else in the game. She's just there for the hell of it, and gone forever in Project Justice.
I don't like the philosophy of "if it makes sense it's probably true", especially as it applies to Capcom games and their endless array of crossovers and cameos. Here's the basic thing: if Capcom makes it, it's connected to all of Capcom's other universes because they made it. They could cross Strider into Mega Man, or Star Gladiator to Cyberbots, or Devil May Cry to Darkstalkers, and all just for the hell of it, just to get fans of one series into the other. The fans fill in the blanks and believe what they want. It doesn't mean they're officially connected, though.
It's like what you say with DMC and VJ. Suppose Capcom makes Dante's presence in the game logical. Does that suddenly mean it's not a crossover of two seperate universes?
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| LeMalta
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| "Re(6):New Capcom Comic article with new artwo" , posted Mon 12 Jul 07:10
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I think the question you have to ask yourself when deciding whether or not two sets of characters in a crossover are in the same universe is whether or not it makes sense. Are huge breaks in continuity required to get the characters together? Does anyone's powers have to be uber-nerfed so they aren't an indestructible god of war compared to the characters that they're crossing over with? Does it seem like these characters could've easily appeared in the other story's continuity if they didn't appear in their own?
For instance, Viewtiful Joe and Devil May Cry have completely different worlds with very different atmospheres, so that's definitely a crossover. Rival Schools and Street Fighter, on the other hand, are both about young street fighters with semi-magical martial arts powers, so there's a good chance that if someone could shove a logical story between them (like Sakura's story mode), then it's the same universe.
What logical story? She didn't have anything but a pointless ending. No dialogues, nothing to explain why she ended up going after Gorudo and Hyo, unlike everyone else in the game. She's just there for the hell of it, and gone forever in Project Justice.
I don't like the philosophy of "if it makes sense it's probably true", especially as it applies to Capcom games and their endless array of crossovers and cameos. Here's the basic thing: if Capcom makes it, it's connected to all of Capcom's other universes because they made it. They could cross Strider into Mega Man, or Star Gladiator to Cyberbots, or Devil May Cry to Darkstalkers, and all just for the hell of it, just to get fans of one series into the other. The fans fill in the blanks and believe what they want. It doesn't mean they're officially connected, though.
It's like what you say with DMC and VJ. Suppose Capcom makes Dante's presence in the game logical. Does that suddenly mean it's not a crossover of two seperate universes?
Maybe the fact that she is a school girl confuses the heck out of people. But, it's quite clear that she was put in as an easter egg and nothing more.
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| Burning Ranger 857th Post
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| "Re(6):New Capcom Comic article with new artwo" , posted Mon 12 Jul 10:49
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I don't like the philosophy of "if it makes sense it's probably true", especially as it applies to Capcom games and their endless array of crossovers and cameos. Here's the basic thing: if Capcom makes it, it's connected to all of Capcom's other universes because they made it. They could cross Strider into Mega Man, or Star Gladiator to Cyberbots, or Devil May Cry to Darkstalkers, and all just for the hell of it, just to get fans of one series into the other. The fans fill in the blanks and believe what they want. It doesn't mean they're officially connected, though.
Think of it this way... Capcom has lots of different universes (kinda like DC's Elseworlds). And there are rules. Example... Captain Commando and Megaman cant exist in the same reality. Neither can SF or Darkstalkers (but this might in fact be opposite).
OR, maybe it is just one big universe (except for JoJo, CvS and MvC). Street Fighter takes place in the present, Megaman and Cap Commando take place in the future). Powerstone takes place in the past. So who's to say in Capcom land that there is just one linear timeline?
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| TiamatRoar 726th Post
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| "Re(9):New Capcom Comic article with new artwo" , posted Mon 12 Jul 13:10:
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Wonder if Udon will make a connection between Ran and Dan Hibiki, since apparently Dan might crossover to the RS comic, too...
I think we know for sure they are not related.
And that Capcom wants to make the Jusgaku series different from the SF franchise now. I think they are as separated as Vampire and Star Gladiator now.
Hense Maki, Eagle and Yun in SF Zero 3 Upper, but no Kyôsuke.
Yea, true. I think for sure they aren't related too, but dunno whether or not Udon will play around with that ^^
I don't think RS is actually officially connected to SF either, that whole "No Kyosuke in SFZ3 Upper" being one of the major reasons, especially after what I saw Crawfish say about it (that Kyosuke was never even considered, not that it was a matter of space limitations). Other things include absolutely no Street Fighter or Sakura references whatsoever in Rival Schools Project Justice or its board game, etc. But... it's never been something I've been able to fully confirm, alas. Course, I'd be surprised if Capcom actually still remembered which games connected or not in the first place, since they originally told Udoneko that SF Zero, SF2, and SF3 were each within their own reality for crying out loud ("originally" being Udoneko's word, so dunno if they took that back, later).
http://kattuggla.oru.se/dmd01/dm0103/test/faqs/SFplotguide40.txt
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| TiamatRoar 727th Post
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| "Re(8):New Capcom Comic article with new artwo" , posted Mon 12 Jul 19:08:
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Course, I'd be surprised if Capcom actually still remembered which games connected or not in the first place, since they originally told Udoneko that SF Zero, SF2, and SF3 were each within their own reality for crying out loud ("originally" being Udoneko's word, so dunno if they took that back, later).
Where/when was this mentioned?
Shoryuken.com's forums. Udoneko's stated it on at least two different occassions when explaining why the comic couldnt' follow the exact canon storyline. Frankly, I think Capcom just grew retarded due to loss of all the staff that had anything to do with Street Fighter or something because multiple official sources do more than just imply that SFZ, 2, Final Fight, and SF3 take place within the same universe.
http://kattuggla.oru.se/dmd01/dm0103/test/faqs/SFplotguide40.txt
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| talbaineric 6125th Post
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| "Re(10):New Capcom Comic article with new artw" , posted Tue 13 Jul 13:22
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On a similar note, does Disney's Talespin take place in the same universe as The Jungle Book? I like to think so. Perhaps Mogley's influence on the animals of the jungle led them to leave their natural habitat and take up jobs such as flying airplanes and bartending.
Disney's Talespin takes place in a completely alternate universe. In the city of Cape Suzette,mind you,not the jungles of India.
Apparently this was before Baloo,Shere Khan and Louie stumbled into the human world ala Morrigan and lost their clothes and their ability to fly airplanes and bartend. That would also explain why Bagheera wasn't in the Talespin universe. :p
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Obviously. Once the animals learned to talk, wear clothes, and pilot airplanes it was only a matter of time. For the record, we didn't stand a chance.
Damn straight. And this might happen eventually,be afraid,be very afraid.
quote Jungle Book and Tale Spin - In Duck Tales, Duckburg is filled with Animals and in Quack Pack which is connected, Duckburg is filled with Humans. Disney doesn't take stuff like this very seriously.
I never saw Quackpack. Were there humans really? Good comparison.
Gah! I went off topic so badly now. Oh well.
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| Sano 882th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):New Capcom Comic article with ne" , posted Tue 13 Jul 14:04:
Yeah, Quack Pack even referenced when Donald Duck was in the Navy in Duck Tales, having him wear the same Sailor Suit, on the same Aircraft Carrier, but the Admiral was different.
Since Duck Tales is mostly based on Carl Bark's Comics, that's why everyone was an Animal. Disney did not allow Humans to appear in their Donald/Mickey Comics. Carl Barks did fight Disney Hard and managed to get Humans in a Donald Duck Spy story, but that was a one time incident.
Quack Pack tried to have more in common with the old Disney Cartoons, so that's why the majority of people in Duckburg were human, like the old cartoons. But at least Quack Pack did show Animal People once in a while.
And the old Donald Duck cartoon that broke the Duckburg mostly human rule was a cartoon where Pete moved next door to Donald Duck. The whole neighborhood came out, they were all dog people.
Oh, and thanks for telling me about April, May and June appearing in House of Mouse! I thanked you on that thread but I think the forum Monster ate the Thread.
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| talbaineric 6126th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):New Capcom Comic article with ne" , posted Tue 13 Jul 17:09
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Yeah, Quack Pack even referenced when Donald Duck was in the Navy in Duck Tales, having him wear the same Sailor Suit, on the same Aircraft Carrier, but the Admiral was different.
Since Duck Tales is mostly based on Carl Bark's Comics, that's why everyone was an Animal. Disney did not allow Humans to appear in their Donald/Mickey Comics. Carl Barks did fight Disney Hard and managed to get Humans in a Donald Duck Spy story, but that was a one time incident.
Quack Pack tried to have more in common with the old Disney Cartoons, so that's why the majority of people in Duckburg were human, like the old cartoons. But at least Quack Pack did show Animal People once in a while.
And the old Donald Duck cartoon that broke the Duckburg mostly human rule was a cartoon where Pete moved next door to Donald Duck. The whole neighborhood came out, they were all dog people.
Oh, and thanks for telling me about April, May and June appearing in House of Mouse! I thanked you on that thread but I think the forum Monster at the Thread.
No problem. ^_^
And I would've thought of the Quack Pack situation similar to Bonkers. Remember that toon? One of Disney's zaniest.
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| Sano 882th Post
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| "Re(3):Unofficial Disney Thread!" , posted Wed 14 Jul 09:47:
Darkwing Duck works fine except for one episode where DW was transported to the Human World. He freaked out, he didn't know what Human Beings were and was very scared! It kind of but not really contradicts Quack Pack with Duckburg later filled with Humans, but DW had no problem when he met that 'Cosmo Guy' (his exact name escapes me) Super Heroe and went to his all Super Heroe Human Being Planet, or the Episode where he stepped out of character to talk to Humans working for the Disney Staff, so it's pretty freaky.
I'm pretty sure Disney doesn't take any of this seriously. Heck, in Duck Tales they had an episode that was all about William Drakespeare (Duck) and later had the Butler Duckworth in Duck Tales quote Shakespeare saying, "Hit the Road, Jack!" I just tend to think of everyone living in a Toon World where their lives are rectoactively changed by whoever people are behind the current Cartoon, that's kind of how I explain Kingdom Hearts. And poor Huey Dewey and Louie. They've had their voices changed so many times but thanks to House of Mouse, they are Garbling gibirish once again, SIGH... bring back Duck Tales Nephews Voices Disney, Gosh Darn it all to Heck!!!
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| Sano 883th Post
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| "Re(5):Re(10):New Capcom Comic article with ne" , posted Wed 14 Jul 14:13:
Regarding Capcom Future Storylines like Megaman, Strider, etc. - A lot of these future games Capcom has spaced out, like one Game will take place in the year 2100, another will take place 2400, etc. I don't believe there is any connection between any of them. Myself, I view them as Alternate Realities Marvel style or Dragon Ball Z Alternate Earth Style. They are all possible Futures but once our Timeline catches up to these Time Periods, it will determine which future prevails and will wipe out some of these futures creating Alternate Realities. At the very least, it doesn't seem that Strider's Future will come to pass at all with the fall of the Soviet Union, and Megaman has a maximum of 5 years (The games are dated 200X) to come to pass, LOL!
Or you can think of it the Gundam way. Even though each storyline is spaced out - One Story will be dated something like After Colony 500, another will be dated After Space 240 for example, so you can say they are all related and a Gagillion years passed between both Arcs. At one point the Gundam Creator Tomino wanted to put all Gundam Stories under one umbrella in the same continuity, but he didn't go through with it, (you have to be crazy to think Mobile Fighter ties into anything with Master Asia beating Gundams with a towel)and GD continuity is still loopy anyways with the creators insisting 8th MS Team ties into the original Gundam. If the Army had that many Gundams, where was Amuro's back up?
Or you can just think all Future Capcom Games are Alternate Realities and call it a day.^_^
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