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"CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 21:57:

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Zangief ! Karin ! Urien ! ANAKARIS ! NULL or whatever his name is written !
Yippie.
AND NO Gôki.
Yippie yippie.

SF2 : extremely simple, no bizarre subsystem, deal a lot of damage. 3 punch = jikansaokiagari ("delayed wake up ?")

Zero : the original combo are the key to everything. 2 strong buttons = activation.
Air gard.
Zero counter.
Ukemi.
They also seem to have supercombos.

Street 3 : blocking, leap attack, big jump, quick standing, dash. can stock up to 2 meters.

Alex vs Zangi kitaaa! Anakaris come back kitaaa! Karin vs Ingrid kitaaa! Octopus love kitaaa! Urien... Urien.

Ryû has his usual 3 moves + the fire hadôken. supers : shinkû hadôken + shinshôryûken.

VAMPIRE : ES AND EX moves !? love love love. air guard + chain combo + guard cancel + idô okiagari ("moving wake up"?) + oiuchi kôgeki (hitting the opponent on the ground).

***(add random Anakaris love here)***

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Wed 7 Jul 22:06]

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Megane

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"Re(1):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:03

Holy hell. Is all of this true?

Capcom seems to be doing something that's vaguely resembling "listening to the fans"...

This piqued my interest a little more.

Shin_ATproof

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"Re(2):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:14

I still say

LAWL Mugen.

Sí mon

con langosta y camarón

Kaepora

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"Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:16

quote:
Street 3 : blocking, leap attack, big jump, quick standing, dash. can stock up to 2 meters.

"Blocking" = Parry? (for us Americans)

Fuchikoma

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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:23

What's the word on 21 characters and no special midnight bliss?

moonslash
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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:23:

say, whered u read this?

2D will never die.

[this message was edited by moonslash on Wed 7 Jul 22:26]

Iggy

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"raising my post account" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:38:

The selection screen is set with Ingrid in the middle, and her box seems bigger than the one of others. I begin to fear she's the only one not from one of the 5 games and we've seen all the characters... But Anakaris is here, and I'm happy.
Someone thought it would be a good idea to put each game logo on the select screen, and surprisingly enough, it was not.

The Vampire sprites seem quite dull (no joking ?). On the contrary, the Warzard sprites, having not been seen in years (and being CPS3) are extremely good looking. Both Warzard and Alex have lost some frames, the result is quite strange on Alex (Chunli and Yun being CvS2-ish)

To balance their many systems, Vampire characters deal very little damage (the opposite of SF2 characters). They also are extremely quick. Much Felicia and Jedah angst ahead. (Zangi / Jedah = 0:10 ?)

You can use your second character in the first round by pressing 3 kicks.
The gauges carry on to 2nd and 3rd round.
For all systems, normal throws and nagenuke (going out of a normal throw) is made by pressing the 2 weak buttons.
Ingrid seems to be in C groove : 3 meters, zenden (KOF-like invinsible forward going move), idô okiagari, air guard.
Let's hope it's because it's a test, but there are few alternate colors.
Many supercombo couldn't be done (including the MB). It's still unclear wether they are not (yet?) in the game or their commands have been changed. At least, Ingrid's level 3 is not yet implemented, and will be at some point in the future.

(Even if the MB is not in the game, maybe the ôke no sabaki is in, or the Pharaoh magic/illusion/decoration. Because Demitri was in SvC and Anakaris was not, some people seem to forget that my beloved pharaoh has the sex change thing too, and he also has the sabaki. I just hope it's not a half-assed thing like in MvC2. I DO hope it's not an half-assed pharaoh like in MvC2. But no one seems to give him any pharaoh-love...)

Hauzer can be thrown like every other characters. Big damage, big stun gauge damage as well. He is far from weak. His fighting style seems to be Dahlsim-esque : don't let the opponent come near you. He has a good number of wide range moves, a good fireball, down+middle punch = strong antiair, down+strong kick = tail move, long range and big damage, down+strong punch : stomp move, for little pixies like Felicia, Yun or Ingrid.
But then of course, he's huge, he has difficulties to come near the opponent (I'm not sure he's supposed to anyways) and his jump is very low. His Berzerk mystic break (hyper armor) is not in the game (yet?), he has the gust flame (the thing he spits on Demitri on one of the first pics we had) and a rushing forward break.

The Warzards have the Ultimate Counter (guard cancel) and mystic breaks (super combos). Like in Warzard, the Ultimate Counter is everything but ultimate (no invinsibility, the two monster may have trouble if cornered). They get gems to level up, but mystic breaks use one gem (= level down). The screwdriver-like move of Leo or Hauzer's jumping antiair move can be done only when leveluped. Octopi's (Billy Kane-like)anti air seems to be like Chunli's move now (the 3rd strike thingie).
Keeping those characters for a second or third round may be the best idea. Personally, they seem the funnier characters to use (especially the 2 monsters) even if they may be weak. Hauzer and the Octopi (I'll stick to that name until I know how to write "Null") seem to have winning quote as well as the human characters.

Yun has the geneijin.

The BGM are all original, and fixed on each stage (sigh)

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Thu 8 Jul 01:40]

moonslash
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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:48

u get any descriptions on how the select screen looks or the music in the game?

2D will never die.

Adon

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"Re(2):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 23:07:

Aegis Reflector!

Look out Guy

edits.. Any character interactions ala CvS 1 and 2?

[this message was edited by Adon on Wed 7 Jul 23:10]

Satoshi_Miwa

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"Re(1):raising my post account" , posted Wed 7 Jul 23:22

Any reports on how far along this beta version is? Any special intors? Any wack cameos in the background from other Capcom games?

Yes, I may be weak but I think the propsect of Karin and Sakura in a fighting game will make this a definite buy. And the rest of the lineup is vaired enough to keep my intrest despite the smaller roster...

Separated at Birth?

Fuchikoma

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"Re(2):raising my post account" , posted Wed 7 Jul 23:29

Any word on a boss? From what I gather after 7 wins the machine restarts or you get a game over.

Cain Highwind

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"Re(3):raising my post account" , posted Wed 7 Jul 23:36

Cool news! Thanks Iggy.

So is it confirmed whether the characters are STUCK wit their respective grooves or can you actually change them?

Iggy

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"Re(1):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 00:44:

SF3 : no SA select. They all have 2 (3?) SA. It seems quite hard for them, the blocking is P Groovy, and there is no red blocking. They have the EX moves.

Urien's tackle and projectile have nearly no lag, upper has no lag but misses a jumping opponent and can't be followed up, tyrant is his most useful move, Aegis has been toned down a lot.

Some of Alex's normal moves are faster, and his dash is fast also. But not only his specials are slow, but the Vampire characters having their idô okiagari make his mind games useless, and he is toast against them. Felicia doing her litter kick all day is enough to kill him. (Felicia is her Hunter self ?). If he had the red blocking he could face the Vampires, but... Let's hope the final balance of the game won't be acquired by raping Jedah and Anakaris (And no, I don't care for the two others, they can nutter the cat is they want). Especially Anakaris has a long history of being called game breaker in the beta tests, then ending sub-middle character at best...

Ugh, some employee said Gôki was in the game... As the boss ? As the 5th character of the SF2 team ? (and would it mean we will have 5 more characters at least ?)
Ummmmmmm...

Hmmm... like someone says, Jedah/Zangief being 9:1 (Zangief deals TONS of damage, his screw driver is Samurai Spirit-ish) may not be as awful as Gedô/Mina. After all, that's what the character change system is for.

Jedah love : he has the decapitation as a normal move, and his 2 ES. and he has his usual air dash. He has everything you can ask, except (like the other Vampire characters) the comical burning frame (since the burning animation here is like in CvS2, the usual sprite in red with flames on it). His Finale Rosso (and Pharao's Naraku no ana) are turtling Guile killers. And with the kotodama gaeshi, I smelling a 9:1 for Anakaris/Guile matches. Yeay. For a reason (I don't know Zero much), Anakaris also seems like a Rose killer.
Ah, nobody says wether the Dark forces are here or not. I couldn't care less.
Jedah dominates the game so far (or maybe it's just because the guy using him is a famous Savior player and know his character?) followed by Anakaris and Demitri. I wouldn't want my favourite game to be bashed because they are too strong (being ugly is enough), so I hope (and I guess) they will be toned down before the next beta. Let's hope it doesn't lead to another Mizuki drama.

At the test, the vs computer game was only 5 matches, then game over, no boss. It has beautiful backgrounds, some characters (guess who?) looking weird on them. Characters in the background are strange, not moving ones are barely visible and moving ones are... well, anime GIFs.
The general speed is fast, stuns are easy, missing throw make your gauge grow (and while it rimes, I'm not sure it's exact).

A Guy player is having an orgasm because the bushinmusôren... ketsu ? (Not sure of how it reads) is even stronger than in Zero2 (I think it's his super throw?). The far strong kick is stronger and the slide has less lag.

Ugh, great news : the Vampire character don't freeze the screen (like in all the games when a character does a super combo, except Vampire) when they do their ES. TAMARANNNNNNNN !

Octopi report : quick dash. Jump is high and slow. Punch = trident attacks, half of the screen. Kick = tentacle attacks, need to be used to.
236P : raises a tornado (but since he is taller than the tornado, he is sashimi if jumped)
623K : rush head forward
63214K : turns into a ball and rush forward. It seems between 3rd Chunli's kick move and Shumagorath's ball move. useful.
214P.K：Lays egg from where baby octopies spawn and paralyze the opponent like baby Amingoes. the place where the egg appear changes with the button. Huge lag while laying.
236236P: thunder attack.
214214K:catches the opponent with his tentacles.
[maybe more moves ahead. He at least misses the energy drain]

With the 2 monsters and Anakaris in the game, even I begin to think it's a good thing they didn't waste a character spot with Dahlsim. (especially with the SF2 ism so far). And now that I think of it, Octopi occupies Mars People's place as the "let's make funny dôjin with Ingrid/loli Athena" character. Hmm, great choice, really.

Ingrid is very SNK-ish (and some Capcom fanboys already hate her).
6+middle punch : chûdan (overhead?)
6+middle kick : something like Leona's 6+ kick.
236+P Sunshoot. slow curved projectile, curve changing with the button.
236+K Sunrise : step forward then sommersault. weird.
in air 214+K : Sundive, falls down like Seth in 2000. fall route depends on the button.
623+P : Sun Upper, maybe a counter move
623+K : Sun Lower, same thing, but low.
236236+P : Sun burst, LV1SA. An energy ball that flies forward and explodes on contact.
214214+K : Sunshine, LV2SA. goes forward with many kicks, then finishes with a sommersault. Except for the finish, it looks like Zaki's super.
LV3SA : Sun Octopus, hundreds of baby octopus come out of nowhere and rape her repetadly.
Ugh, no, wait, I'm not sure of the last one.
Anyway, either she has hidden techniques nobody had the time to discover because of Jedah, or she is amongst the weakest characters of the game. Her normal moves are weak, and only one or two of her special are usable... Well, like at the CFA☆ beta, many consider her as a boring character (but at least this time, she's the only one to be boring). But since she hasn't been added to be played with, I'll let the perverts draw their dôjin and stick with, for example, some Zangi love :
the sprites and most of his moves are Zero3-ish. The Screw swallows quite widely, and takes about 1/4th of the life. He doesn't seems to have the larriat (Ugh?) Final Atomic Buster takes 60% of the life. his other super is a ranbu (UGH????). The burning uses the SF2 command. He has too many natural enemies ; so far, it's ザ・Russia (simple 1500 series).

for 3rd characters : the gauge being like in the DC version when you put all the SA, it's quite long, especially for the Aegis Reflector.

Someone reports the warzard characters are actually like this : as the gauge raises, they gain up to 3 gems, that can be used to do mystic breaks or to level up (both middle buttons). He says the level up only makes your character stronger, no new moves (?), and can be done without any limitation (maybe 9 times?) BUT it is comes back to 1 at the end of the round (noooooo!). The Ultimate guard and counter are like in Warzard, almost useless, but don't use any gem.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Thu 8 Jul 02:04]

Iggy

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"Re(2):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 01:05:

The jikan okiagari (delayed wake up?) is quite long, and it's used to prevent Anakaris to do his naraku no ana all day.

Judging by the select screen, someone says there should be 2 more characters by game (if only !)

Yun's moves seem to be like in 3rd, not CvS2. He doesn't seem to be able to summon Yang.
The original combo seem to be just a free cancel, not a bunshin like in Zero (to make it different to Yun's geneijin?)
Most of the super combos of the Zero characters are level 1, but they seem to have a long invincibility window.

To sum up everything and dream about more characters (if only) :

SF2 : Ryû/Guile/Vega/Zangief
Maybe : Blanka Balrog Gôki (Gôki is in the game, the question being wether a playable character or not, and if he will be SF2-groove)
Background : Cammy Ken T Hawk Honda Sagat Dahsilm DJ Fei Long Bison (drawings)

SFZero : Guy Sakura Rose Karin
Maybe : Gen R.Mika Rolento J&J
Background : Cody Nash Dan Birdie Adon Eagle Maki Sodom (drawing)

SF3 : Chunli Yun Alex Urien
Maybe : Remy 12 Dudley (no boxers so far, so I'll bet at least on him) Oro Elena Necro Gill
Background : Hugo Sean Makoto Ibuki Yang Q (shadow on a wall)

Warzard : Leo Hauzer Mukuro Null
Maybe : Tao Tabasa kongo (sp?) Blade (by what happenned so far, if we get 6 characters by games, we will have one more player character and one more monster, my bets being on Tao and Blade)
Background : Gigi, Sekmet, Ruan, Vactor. And no, I don't know how to write any of the monsters names. Shut up now.

Vampire : Demitri Felicia Jedah Anakaris
Maybe : Buletta Q Bee Lilith Victor Aulbath Donovan Phobos Pyron Sasquatch (if Q bee or Phobos are in the game, Zangief is even more dead than he already is. Victor wouldn't be a good choice with already 2 monsters being huge and long ranged).
Background : Gallon Zabel Leilei Bishamon Morrigan (drawing)

CFA☆ : Ingrid
Maybe : DD Rook

Ah, and a last thing : except the usual whiners who complain about mugen-copipe-etc, ALL the posts are about in game details. No one complains about the game being boring. It looks weird, Vampire characters look horrible, 3rd and Warzard characters lost too many frames, it miss this and that character, but, so far, IT'S FUN. This is not the return of CFA☆.

I'm going back to sleep now. Good night everyone. (in an alternate reality where "going back to sleep" means "looking forハウザーたんのエロ画像")

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Thu 8 Jul 02:09]

Megane

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"Re(2):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 01:50

quote:

A Guy player is having an orgasm because the bushinmusôren... ketsu ? (Not sure of how it reads) is even stronger than in Zero2 (I think it's his super throw?). The far strong kick is stronger and the slide has less lag.

IIRC, Guy's throw super (Bushin Musou Renge) has crap range AND priority for a throw super in Zero3. =/ Very easy to miss and get knocked out of it.

NARUTO

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"Re(3):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 02:23:

OK so here is some Warzard corection, so Iggy won't turn crazy anymore with names.

The Octopus is called " NOOL" and here is his Warzard move list in order for you to have a better idea, remeber that in CFJ those can differt:

Note Warzard Give no command imput since nool was a CPU character:

- trident pierce: a trident hit forward.
- trident upper: an upper slash with the trident
- artic stream: tornado projectile think
Joe Higashi.
- Vital sucker: a trident hit if it connect
Nool will drain some life.
- tadpole shot: make a string of "eggs" rise from the floor and small octopus to attack you.
Note: this have nothing to see with amingo's thingy. the egg string pops out like Mukai's pillar and from them 1,2 or 3 like octopus goes at you like a horizontal fire ball.
- venom blast: similar to yoga blast but
with venom.
- idol spinning: some kind of vertical
dragon punsh thing.
- notilus attack: psycho crucher like moves
very simmilar.
- tentacle trick: like twelve, make his
tentacle go in the ground and catch you
with them in a other place.
- hanging: throw tentacle far to catch you
and throw you away.
- strangle spark: similar to hanging but
shock you with energy.
- lightning master: Super move some rasing
Strom like thing made of lightning. Nool
is completely covered of them.

Hopes those will help Iggy and other peoples to see what nool is able to.

For the other name: here they are:

Human: Leo, Mukuro, Tabasa, Tao.
CPU: Hauzer, Sekmeto, Kongoh, Gigi, Nool, Luan, Blade, Valdoll.

As for the Level question, in warzard your score is like Exp point in a RPG, the more point you win and you level up. There is 32 level by characters and at some level you'll learn new moves, even a new super for each characters, and that need hours of play to raise someone to 32, some point to level up are needed even in VS mode that why Warzard has a Code saving system for player.
In CFJ I think that all your characters have all their moves and Lev up is just here for strengh.

So now, where are the hyper blurry cell phone pics????

A friend is someone who truely knows you

but who love you anyway...

[this message was edited by NARUTO on Thu 8 Jul 04:40]

Fugo
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"Re(3):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05:06

Great news! Thanks!

quote:
The original combo seem to be just a free cancel, not a bunshin like in Zero (to make it different to Yun's geneijin?)
Most of the super combos of the Zero characters are level 1, but they seem to have a long invincibility window.

I didn't understand this too well...

also, an important thing... can 3S characters Supercancel? If not, the already downtoned Aegis reflector becomes almost useless :/

3rd Strike rulez ;)

Siegfried

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"Re(4):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05:35

Red Earth/Warzard names:
Blade
Gigi
Hauzer
Hydron/Nool
Kenji/Mukuro
Kongou
Lavia/Luan
Leo
Mai Ling/Tao
Ravange/Secmeto
Tessa/Tabasa
Valdoll

About the new characters: Urien will make all my SF3 friends very happy, Zangief I couldn't care much less about, Karin is nice but this will be schoolgirl mania, Hydron/Nool is a wildcard so far, and Anakaris... blah. Last set of characters was more interesting. And with Demitri, Jedah and Anakaris in the game I'm pretty sure that they WON'T bother to draw all these extra comedy frames (MB, pumping, curse).

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Burning Ranger

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"Re(2):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05:35

quote:

Ingrid is very SNK-ish (and some Capcom fanboys already hate her).

Which proves my theory: Capcom fanboys hate SNK!

...and Germans love David Hasselhof.

Advanced Cyborg E. Branger AKA Burning Ranger

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Henaki
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"Re(4):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05:39

HOLY FUCK ZANGIEF DOESN'T SUCK!!

So...how about those...things....

Radish

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"Re(1):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05:45:

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Nice write up. I hope there are a few more characters that have been unanounced though. I (REALLY) appreciate having ones that they normally don't use but most of these aren't really my favorites (other than the obviously mentioned one of course).

[this message was edited by Radish on Thu 8 Jul 05:47]

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"Re(2):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 06:27

Waah! Thanks for all the information Iggy! I'm loving this roster and if the game itself is as fun as you make the early reports sound I'm going to have a great time with it.

Zangief questions: When you said he lost his lariet, does that mean he dropped one of the variations of it such as the quick

version or is it gone altogether? Or were they referring to his suplex throw and they used the wrong term to describe it? A new super for the Crushin' Russian also sounds good but a ranbu? Does that mean, of all things, his PF super is back?

Also, thanks to Naruto for the full explanation of what sort of attack Nool has. Both him [Her? It? How do you tell the gender of a land based octopus anyway?] and Hauzer sound like they are going to be very interesting additions to the game.

Sano

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"CAPCOM RULES!" , posted Thu 8 Jul 06:43

Wow! Three characters I never expected! Urien, Zangief, and Karin - All Fan Favorites, all unexpected! CAPCOM RULES!

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"Re(3):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 06:47

quote:
It looks weird, Vampire characters look horrible, 3rd and Warzard characters lost too many frames, it miss this and that character, but, so far, IT'S FUN.

Good, that's what counts! I hope the final roster is a bit larger (after all, remember that during the CvS 2 beta test, a number of charas were locked... Rolento comes to mind) but I'm perfectly happy with Nool, Hauzer, and Jedah.

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"Re(2):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 06:52

Holy shit. Anakaris is good (interesting character), but I don't play him. I don't know who the fuck Nool is (the octopus?). But Karin, Gief AND Urien?! Interest in game just shot up 300%! AEGIS REFLECTOR (reads more: Aegis got toned down; booo). And Gief vs. Alex at last!

All we need now is Hugo for some 3-way grappler man-love. ^_^ (UNlikely though, since Hugo's already been spotted in the background).

AND there's room for 1-2 more characters? Excellent. 2 more characters per side about bump the character cast up to 31 (6x5 + 1 for the mathematically impaired, since INgrid seems to be by her lonesome, judging by the way the character select screen is arranged). That would be... an acceptable start for a potential series.

SF3 characters get to parry. Bleh. At least DS chains, EX and ES specials will keep the SF3 characters in check.

So we got V-Karin and V-Sakura back. Makes sense I guess. But I question V-Guy and V-Rose (though Iggy says they apparently can do supers; L1 only a la CvS2 A-Groove I suspect, but how come Guy gets his Level 3 grab?).

Throws are 3rd Strike style (LP+LK). Not too crazy about that, but as long as they retain 3S priority it should be good. But they could stand to do a little more damage and definitely need more range. On the other hand, it's very likely we'll be able to kara-throw again, which would be a good thing.

re: Ingrd

Yup. It's CFAS Ingrid alright. I don't know if they can make such a dull design interesting without making her broken, but we'll see.

From Iggy:

> No one complains about the game being boring. It looks weird, Vampire characters look horrible, 3rd and Warzard characters lost too many frames, it miss this and that character, but, so far, IT'S FUN. This is not the return of CFA☆.

CFJ - 1, CFAS - 0. LOL!

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"Re(3):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 07:04

Sweet. I was hoping for Urien,and he's here! WOooT! This is gonna be awesome! And I prefer Karin over Sakura anyday!

Which brings up something,I wonder if there will be special intros between any of them?

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"Re(4):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 07:47

Wow, it sounds like good news on the whole, especially the part about the game being fun.

But I agree with whoever said that the new batch of characters isn't as exciting as the last one. I am most pleased with Karin out of this group, and I was already pretty certain that she'd be in the game (since they had her character art in one of the early ads). But the octopus does peak my interest.

However, no news is better than the fact that there may be room for 2 more characters from each game (even if it is sketchy/possible speculation). But it makes me wonder how they can test ten more characters before the game is released in a few months.

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"Re(4):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08:02

Wow, the Vampire characters are too strong and the SF3 characters are too weak. Who would've expected that? /sarcasm

*sigh* Don't mind me. I'm just bitter after reading that Ingrid is boring and plays like an SNK character.

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"The name is Nool" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08:08

Awesome reports Iggy!

Here is Capcom old but still up Warzard site so that you can see pics and names and profiles :

http://ns.capcom.co.jp/himitsu/wz/wz_index.html

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"Re(5):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08:17

> Wow, the Vampire characters are too strong and the SF3 characters are too weak. Who would've expected that? /sarcasm

You mean the *SF2* characters are too weak, right? Alex might have some trouble, but I think Guile and Zangief are going to get royally screwed in this game.

> *sigh* Don't mind me. I'm just bitter after reading that Ingrid is boring and plays like an SNK character.

Dunno about the SNK character bit, but it was obvious from her CFAS moveslist (which seems to have only been slightly altered in CFJ) that she was going to be a boring character.

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""Punish!"" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08:50

Urien AND Karin? Sweet!

Ingrid may not be all that bad, people just aren't used to her yet.

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"Re(5):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08:52:

UUUAARGH !!!! What a shitty bunch of "new" characters !! What are these Capcom guys thinking about? What's the point in adding Zangief instead of Haggar, for instance? They rescued him for CFAS, and the only thing they should have done is slightly retouching Zangi's sprite. The hairy russian is clearly overused, I think it's time for Capcom to retire him and give way to new characters with similar characteristics such as Hugo, Alex or the former Mayor of Metro City...

And not to mention the damned Anakaris... he even lacks of standard grapples/throws !!! The mummy doesn't jump, he floats around the screen in such a useless and annoying way that just recalling it makes me puke ...

I never thought such a shame of a character would be included in CFJ. I really hoped for Donovan being the logical representative character from Vampire Hunter, since the other two main characters of the series were already included (Demitri from Vampire and Jedah from Vampire Savior) but nope, the chosen one is Anakaris... once again !!!!

And what about Nool? Well, is a great addition since is a practically new character and no one has ever played as it (since all Warzard monsters were controlled by the CPU) but... what about Tao and Tabasa? Wouldn't be better to have the complete Roster of Warzard heroes instead of another big ugly thing with tentacles?

Well, that's only my point of view (a very frustrated one), I understand some people would love to see al this "Hairy Russian vs Scottex Mummy" stuff, but I just don't get it...

Edit : ¡¡¡TE ODIOOO MOMIA DE MIERDAAAAAA!!!

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[this message was edited by HAYATO on Thu 8 Jul 08:59]

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"Re(6):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 09:42

quote:
UUUAARGH !!!! What a shitty bunch of "new" characters !! What are these Capcom guys thinking about? What's the point in adding Zangief instead of Haggar, for instance? They rescued him for CFAS, and the only thing they should have done is slightly retouching Zangi's sprite. The hairy russian is clearly overused, I think it's time for Capcom to retire him and give way to new characters with similar characteristics such as Hugo, Alex or the former Mayor of Metro City...

And not to mention the damned Anakaris... he even lacks of standard grapples/throws !!! The mummy doesn't jump, he floats around the screen in such a useless and annoying way that just recalling it makes me puke ...
I never thought such a shame of a character would be included in CFJ. I really hoped for Donovan being the logical representative character from Vampire Hunter, since the other two main characters of the series were already included (Demitri from Vampire and Jedah from Vampire Savior) but nope, the chosen one is Anakaris... once again !!!!

And what about Nool? Well, is a great addition since is a practically new character and no one has ever played as it (since all Warzard monsters were controlled by the CPU) but... what about Tao and Tabasa? Wouldn't be better to have the complete Roster of Warzard heroes instead of another big ugly thing with tentacles?

Well, that's only my point of view (a very frustrated one), I understand some people would love to see al this "Hairy Russian vs Scottex Mummy" stuff, but I just don't get it...

Edit : ¡¡¡TE ODIOOO MOMIA DE MIERDAAAAAA!!!

I'm happy with the unexpected Roster. I am looking forward to this game.

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"Re(6):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 09:49

Mmmmmm.... sounds good to me so far. It sounds like the game looks a bit strange, but I am hearing the gameplay is fun, and I like fun gameplay ^_^ Karin and Jedah in the same game equals goodness for me. Also, I like the overall list. They have some of their staple characters in the game, but they are also throwing it in with some of the other characters that don't get their chance enough. Sounds good so far! Now, just some polish on the balance issue, and a few other general polishings, and I'll be buying it.

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"CAPCOM RULES!" , posted Thu 8 Jul 10:36

As far as Donovan is concerned, even though the game is called 'Vampire Hunter' storyline-wise he is not the main character of the game, Demitri is. Storyline-wise Vampire Hunter replaces Vampire, like how SF3 Second Impact replaces New Generation and how SFZ2 replaces SFZ1 storyline-wise. In Vampire Hunter, Demitri still defeats Pyron. Demitri is still the Game's Main Character. Think of this like how Hugo is not the main character of 'SF3 Second Impact GIANT ATTACK.' Capcom hasn't said what happened to Donovan in VH, but there's a good chance Demitri kicked his Ass. Even Donovan's own ending doesn't bode good things for him, oooh...

I wonder if Capcom would include Donovan in CFJ. With Anita appearing with him and Rose in the Game, perhaps people who still think Anita and Rose are the same person will commit suicide or something...

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"Re(6):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 10:45:

OK, the tension has calmed a little and people come back to their winny selves. Don't take what follows too seriously.

Strongest characters : Ryû, then the whole Vampire cast, lead by Anakaris. The Vampires are nearly unchanged since their game, except the guard cancel which has been toned down, but since it doesn't concern Anakaris, he levelups from weak to strongest. History repeats itself. Jedah and Anakaris are especially blessed when they fight a character with no air guard, something they were not supposed to do when they were created.
Guile is quite strong. No one use the Zero characters, since there's no meaning in practicing original combos on a beta version. SF3 characters seem to have been royally screwed system-wise, and they seem to be quite different from their original selves (=need to re-learn them). Urien is really strong, the others are... ugh. Karin seems to have been toned down a bit also.
Since nobody is used to them, very few people use the Warzard cast, which may be a problem given how strong they seem when used well. Good luck to balance all this, Capcom...

For what it's worth, the select screen is like this :

　　　■■
■■|□□|■■
□□|□□|□□
□□|【　】|□□
　 □□|□□
　 □□|□□
　 ■■|■■

□ = character
【　】 = Ingrid (she takes the place of 2 characters, maybe it means we will have someone else to pair her up with, DD?)

Up left : SF2, up : SF3, up right : Vamp, down left = Zero, down right = Warzard. No random.

■ show the logo of each game. They are ugly and shouldn't be there. They are too ugly to have been placed there by someone in his right state of mind, so everybody want to think they are hidding 2 spots for more characters.

And the next one here to insult Anakaris will be flamed until he is drowned in my urine. There are some things that can't be allowed between people of good extraction. And remember, Anakaris was not in MvC2, it was an actually Retsu in a costume.

EDIT : Donovan sucks Zangief's balls.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Thu 8 Jul 10:55]

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"Re(7):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 10:54

Guile is strong?? You mean his Sonic Boom no longer does like a Pixel of Damage?? Good news!

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"Re(7):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 11:21

Any comments about the voices or music?

Heh heh.. it would be amusing if both Phobos and Gigi turned out to be in it.

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"Re(1):CAPCOM RULES!" , posted Thu 8 Jul 11:42

quote:
As far as Donovan is concerned, even though the game is called 'Vampire Hunter' storyline-wise he is not the main character of the game, Demitri is. Storyline-wise Vampire Hunter replaces Vampire, like how SF3 Second Impact replaces New Generation and how SFZ2 replaces SFZ1 storyline-wise. In Vampire Hunter, Demitri still defeats Pyron. Demitri is still the Game's Main Character. Think of this like how Hugo is not the main character of 'SF3 Second Impact GIANT ATTACK.' Capcom hasn't said what happened to Donovan in VH, but there's a good chance Demitri kicked his Ass. Even Donovan's own ending doesn't bode good things for him, oooh...

Yup, you are right. I already knew the canon storyline but you know, Donovan and Lei-Lei were the main additions to this sequel, so I think at least one of them should represent this chapter of the series... Besides the game is called Vampire Hunter, and I just can't imagine Demitri hunting his fellas or something like that so I think the title should refer to Donovan...

quote:

I wonder if Capcom would include Donovan in CFJ. With Anita appearing with him and Rose in the Game, perhaps people who still think Anita and Rose are the same person will commit suicide or something...

XDDDD Yeah, their designs are pretty similar (you know, full-grown Anita's costumes highly resembles ~~Lisa Lisa's~~ Rose's)and both of them posses an aura, so IMO it's natural that people should get confused if they don't know the character's names.

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"Re(8):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 11:56

quote:
Heh heh.. it would be amusing if both Phobos and Gigi turned out to be in it.

Phobos is a possibility, as gigi he's already in a background.

So far the game doesn't look that bad unlike some huge moron at SNK-capcom.com seems to think.
Balance will be IMO the major problem Capcom should think of, for characters I'm sure some other will fallow....

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"Re(7):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 12:04

quote:

EDIT : Donovan sucks Zangief's balls.

But Donovan makes bukkake sessions in Zangief's almost bald cranium (as a friend of mine told me before "Zangief le mange le penis a Donovan" ).What a pair of whores XDDD

At least with Anakaris near them they wouldn't need toilet paper to clean themselves up... XDDDDD

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"Re(9):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 12:35

Hayato : you and your friend are disgusting.

quote:
Phobos is a possibility, as gigi he's already in a background.

Phobos as a strong air game, and he has a lot of beams...
The Vampire cast sure is a problem. Q bee is even worse than Jedah in the air, Phobos and Donovan would eat anyone without an air guard, Sasquatch would be nice but he's über strong in every game he was, and if the Vampire cast is faster than the rest, he will be a nightmare...
That leaves us with Pyron, either weak and uninteresting or strong and uninteresting, Aulbath, possible since we don't have a lot of tamechara beside Guile and Vega, Buletta, always a strong choice but she has already been in 2 games outside Savior, or Lilith, either THE character to pick or another hadô-shôryû character depending on wether they leave the puppet show or not...
Hummm.

Oh, and the MB is confirmed to be in the game, it's just that they didn't finish the sprites. There must be barely two 2D artists left at Capcom...

EX moves take 1/2 of a bar to 3rd strike characters, which is half the cost for a Vampire character but still too much in my opinion considering the length of the bar.
Anakaris's Naraku no Ana takes 2 gauges to do, but I don't think his supers are what make him as strong as he is...
And while the Ôke no sabaki is fast and reliable so far, HE TURNS EVERYONE INTO THE SAME MvC2 PUPPET.
My good opinion on the game might change very quickly.

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"Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 12:47

I'm really happy with this cast... especially Karin. Speaking of beta tests... today is the test for the new Atomiswave fighter Kenju, I'm really looking forward to hearing about it.

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"Re(2):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:08

After reading all this juicy info I'm planning on getting a japanese or US PS2 when it comes out. Or should I get an Xbox?

I stuck all the info on my front page news. =)

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"Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:10

quote:
Hayato : you and your friend are disgusting.

Yeah, people say that very often, especially to my friend (what can you expect from a Heihachi Mishima fan?).But don't worry, we are used to those kind of statements ;)

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"Re(2):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:28

quote:
Yeah, people say that very often, especially to my friend (what can you expect from a Heihachi Mishima fan?).But don't worry, we are used to those kind of statements ;)

Does it mean you are the one bukkaking on your friend's head ?

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

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"Re(3):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:35

Well I really wished if Donovan was there!! Anyway thanks for the news, its good to know that another DS character is there but I didnt wish to see Anakaris, even though I respect the people who likes this character ^^

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"Re(3):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:48

quote:
Yeah, people say that very often, especially to my friend (what can you expect from a Heihachi Mishima fan?).But don't worry, we are used to those kind of statements ;)
Does it mean you are the one bukkaking on your friend's head ?

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

No dear, my friend only bukkakes on pet avatars and I use Anakaris as Toilet Paper. Besides of that, there are no similitudes between reality and what you have suggested in your previous post. But reading you is always funny XDD

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"Re(4):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:51

Great to know that MBs will be in the game!

But with Anakaris' transformation, how would that work outside of DS exactly, would he turn all of the SFers into Babies? Wouldn't it get boring fast? Or would it be like that JoJo transformation where everyone becomes a kid? Personally I'd much rather have Midnight Blisses. I just think Anakaris' Transformation works better in DS.

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"Re(5):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 14:24

quote:
But with Anakaris' transformation, how would that work outside of DS exactly, would he turn all of the SFers into Babies? Wouldn't it get boring fast? Or would it be like that JoJo transformation where everyone becomes a kid? Personally I'd much rather have Midnight Blisses. I just think Anakaris' Transformation works better in DS.

Shut up you.

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"Re(6):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 14:34

Don't be sensitive, man! I like Anakaris too, I'm you're friend! ^_^

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"Re(7):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 14:42

quote:
Don't be sensitive, man! I like Anakaris too, I'm you're friend! ^_^

No you are not, I shall send Mack the Knife to cut you good.

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"Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 14:50

quote:
There must be barely two 2D artists left at Capcom...

all the 2D artists are working on 3D games
(just look at the credits for DMC 2 , giogio, automodellista, monster hunter, gundam, outbreak, gotcha force)

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"Re(7):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 15:19

quote:

For what it's worth, the select screen is like this :

　　　■■
■■|□□|■■
□□|□□|□□
□□|【　】|□□
　 □□|□□
　 □□|□□
　 ■■|■■

It has become obvious from the shape of this select screen taht the secret character who shares the center spot with Ingrid is either Mars People or a giant penis.

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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 15:49

quote:

That leaves us with Pyron, either weak and uninteresting or strong and uninteresting, Aulbath, possible since we don't have a lot of tamechara beside Guile and Vega, Buletta, always a strong choice but she has already been in 2 games outside Savior, or Lilith

bulleta is in the DS Background....you have to look closely though b/c in most of the screenshots shes covered but shes in the middle of the stage...

as for the next DS characters, i was really caught off guard with the selection of anakaris so any one else is my guess...

i think Vega(Balrog) might make it....

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"Re(8):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 17:12

quote:

No you are not, I shall send Mack the Knife to cut you good.

Sure I argue with Iggy ALL OF THE TIME but I still consider him a friend. We may not see eye to eye on everything but hey, he did create this Thread.

And I like Anakaris, I like almost every Capcom Character. That's how Fanboys roll.

So what, I'll get Mac Tonight from the old McDonald's Commercials to back me up. Once he pokes out Mack the Knife's Eye out with his Cresent Shape Head me and him will go get some free French Fries at Micky Dee's.

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"Re(9):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 17:21

quote:

No you are not, I shall send Mack the Knife to cut you good.

Sure I argue with Iggy ALL OF THE TIME but I still consider him a friend. We may not see eye to eye on everything but hey, he did create this Thread.

And I like Anakaris, I like almost every Capcom Character. That's how Fanboys roll.

So what, I'll get Mac Tonight from the old McDonald's Commercials to back me up. Once he pokes out Mack the Knife's Eye out with his Cresent Shape Head me and him will go get some free French Fries at Micky Dee's.

Ok, So I'll just get him to team up with the Hamburglar: King of the Fist!

He shall donkey punch the holy fry grease out of Mac Tonight.

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"Re(10):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 17:58

When I first heard Mack the Knife (the original), I LOLed when I realized what the song was about.

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"Re(10):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 18:22:

quote:

Ok, So I'll just get him to team up with the Hamburglar: King of the Fist!

He shall donkey punch the holy fry grease out of Mac Tonight.

If you get the Hamburglar I will get Cedric the Entertainer and they will settle the beef(bad pun intended) between the two that started in a commercial last year. If you forgot what the Argument was about, let me refresh your memory.

CEDRIC: The New Big and Tasty! Grimus, you did your thing Dog! Well, you're not actually a Dog, you're more like a big Purple, I don't know what you are.
GRIMUS: ....
HAMBURGALUR: Grubble! Grubble! Grubble!
CEDRIC: (To Hamburgalur) WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT MY MOMMA!!!!

[this message was edited by Sano on Fri 9 Jul 09:11]

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"Re(2):Re(10):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 22:05

quote:
When I first heard Mack the Knife (the original), I LOLed when I realized what the song was about.

Don't worry, Sano. I will be your frieeeeeeeeeeend =3

I would hate to point this out on this site of all places, but of course Mack the Knife is the Mummy Commando from the Capcom game Captain Commando.

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"Re(3):Re(10):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 22:16:

quote:
I would hate to point this out on this site of all places, but of course Mack the Knife is the Mummy Commando from the Capcom game Captain Commando.

Actually, Mack the Knife is many people, including Mackie Messer from "A Three Penny Opera" (the original Mack the Knife?) AND the Mummy from Captain Commando.. ;D
The moon-headed "Three Finger Mickey" mascot was, of course, a parody on the name, as Sano obviously realized. :D

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"Re(4):Re(10):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 01:31

quote:

Actually, Mack the Knife is many people, including Mackie Messer from "A Three Penny Opera" (the original Mack the Knife?) AND the Mummy from Captain Commando.. ;D
The moon-headed "Three Finger Mickey" mascot was, of course, a parody on the name, as Sano obviously realized. :D

Edit: Stab stabbity stab!

And If I'm right this wierd name comes from the US version since in Japanese he's called Jehuty.

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"still raising my post account" , posted Fri 9 Jul 03:51:

Ingrid : A boring and weak crappy character OR a crappy character who wears a miniskirt and doesn't even show her panties. Either way, let's forget her.

Ryû : the Hadoûken is too strong, huge invincibility on the shôryûken.

Guile : having a system with a big attack bonus blesses him.

Zangi : extremely strong, but toast against Vampires and Warzards.

Nobody uses Vega, so he remains a mystery. He does seem to have his CvS2 moves (warp and all).

Zangi HAS the Aerial Russian something. Pheeew...

Rose : not changed a lot since Zero 3. She may not have her air throw. 2+strong punch = reliable antiair, but not easy to combo after. Supercombo : Aura soul spark and aura soul throw, both level 1 but with a fair invincibility window so useful. The AS throw is an excellent weapon against Jedah. And she still gets Miyamu bonus points.

Leo : low jump, so you need a good timing to jump a projectile. Not a lot of quick moves, so you have to rely on his range. 412P makes him use a weapon, each button being a different weapon. May need some training.

Hauzer : easy to use. Very strong against characters without projectile (Zangi, Karin, even Ingrid since hers is so slow) but facing a lot of problems against Ryû, Guile or Anakaris. The more I read about the game the more I see the "psychological dimension" of the 2P team. Except it appears more like a jankenpon-fighting game.

Yun : he really fights like in 3rd strike EXCEPT he doesn't have the Geneijin. Maybe it's not yet in the game, but there was no way to do it. NOTE : so far the 3rd characters have 2 supers, not 3. I don't know the name of his moves so I don't get crap, but the player is pleased with the current state of the character (well, except the geneijin). He even says he can have a fair match against Ryû. (but not the Vamp).

Sakura : weaken. Her original combo deals around 30% damage, but maybe she just needs to be relearned.

Guy : Not only is he like in Zero 3 but since he is in V Ism, he can't use his level 3 super combo. Crap character. So the guy who talked about his super throw = intox ?

Demitri's normal/ES/Guard cancel Demon cradle never have any invincibility. His normals are short ranged (there's a reason why he became taller in SvC). The Midnight Plesure is like in Hunter, it's strong, but overall, he's the weakest of his game.

Jedah : loses a little, gains on other moves, overall the same. Still suffer from not having a decent antiair, but against someone not used to Vampire, he's a sure winner.

Anakaris benefits heavily of being in a game where you can stun your opponent easily. Against character with a bad mobility, using only low punch and the coffins is nearly enough to win.So far, stronguest character. We know how it'll end.

There is no dialogue before or after the matches between characters, but it may (should) be because it's still a beta. Only 3 winning quotes is NOT possible. And only 2 colors by characters...

Chunli has been toned down since 3rd, her SA2 doesn't combo as much. But maybe you just have to make a kikôchô instead, and everything will be alright. Her normals are still her best weapon.

SF3 characters can't use blocking at all against Vampires. Vamp can chain combo all day without fear of a guard cancel, while the SF3 must predict the whole sequence of 3-6 moves before even dreaming of a counter attack. And since the blocking is like in P Groove, the game doesn't freezes, so the Vamp won't risk to loose the timing of their chain combo. If only it had the red blocking...

I really have the feeling the decision to make the game was taken by someone who didn't know the original games and barely played CvS2. The reason why Savior has such a perfect balance even though all the characters have so many offensive possibilities is because the defensive actions where perfectly balanced to counter them, without turning the game in a turtling fest. Savior without advanced guard or Guard cancel would have been quite different, and now Savior characters get to fight characters that don't even have an air guard... Ugh.
Same thing for 3rd strike. The systems where interesting because everyone had the same defensive possibilities, and the characters where created to match those. I really wonder what's going to happen...
...
No, OK, I'm just crancky because of Anakaris's Sabaki.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Fri 9 Jul 03:55]

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"Re(3):Re(10):Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 07:38:

quote:
When I first heard Mack the Knife (the original), I LOLed when I realized what the song was about.

Don't worry, Sano. I will be your frieeeeeeeeeeend =3

I would hate to point this out on this site of all places, but of course Mack the Knife is the Mummy Commando from the Capcom game Captain Commando.

My stupid. I didn't bother to check much into Captain Commando. Between you and me, I think he's a d**k.

Also, in MarioRPG there's a knife dude named Mack.

Cats? I much prefer foxes.

[this message was edited by TeirusuCSS on Fri 9 Jul 07:39]

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"beelzebubble´s CFJ report" , posted Fri 9 Jul 07:41

This one comes from someone (beelzebubble - he´s done reports on a few fightyers before) that actually went to the test.

impressions after about an hour and a half and 2 or 3 games.

preface:
im not a fan boy of any particular company.

general impressions:
its fun and i like the simpler system (no real guard crush, no rolls), the speed is also to my liking. but as a piece of work by a company it looks like effort levels are super low. bgs are terrible, they rank lower than the neowave ones which i didnt really think was possible, not only are they almost static but where there is movement its pathetic (see djay, cammy, ken and birdie looking like tacked on pics with only sean moving one arm up and down) the bgs dont seem to be 3d but more like layers of high rez pixelated ugh... game is choppy with slowdown when you come to blows with hauzer.. seems pretty framey.

- thailand bg is hideous imo
- about 10 ppl at the loke test...
- cvs style graphics aka high res with pixelated sprites (alex looks the worst from what i saw)
- mukuro looks cool with a ken style spinning kick, a ninja knife projectile, a multi projectile super, a teleport and drop which is cool, lots of chain use and a cool dash.
- jedah also looks very cool but i imagine he hasnt changed much in terms of moveset or look from ds.
- hauzers breath super seems to do no chip damage.
- hauzers sprite is incredibly hard to judge, whether you are hitting front or back and how far it is range wise to where you can land a hit on him when poking is veryhard to tell.
- there seemed to be some sort of defensive roll ala kof (ab when blocking) that belonged to which system im not sure.
- lots of urien and ryu players. ryu is solid and boring, urien a fiend with his wall super, just overhead/low/standing mix up till you hit then bounce them between hits and the wall for very quick stuns, ouch and sorta cheezy.
- hongkong bg is ugh
- hit sparks are cvs2 style exaggerated ones.. i dont really dig them.
- throw whiffing builds bar real quick.
- nool is sorta cool and at this point really strong, hes a poking king with no less than three nice mid-long standing pokes, a normal standing aa and great recovery on his flying charge, dp and fireball, you can just sitback, mix up fbs and pokes and aa a jumper for an easy keepaway game, saw a guy do this against zang for a perfect. his what seems to be s.LP is awesomely abuseable.
- hauzer has almost zero recovery on his charge move (see charge->c.LP for a nice rush down pattern)
- ingrid is super easy to use and fun, shes like a dummied down athena, her fbs are amazing arcing like a rimururu ice ball, the heavy goes the whole screen arcing near the opposite side, the light about half the screen to fall at the feet of the opponent and the mid in the middle of the two, her normals (especially j.HP, s.HP and c.HP are great for using when you jump in or dash after a fb) are good and shes basically a zoning monster who seems to have nice air priority.
- ryu, nool, urien and ingrid seem powerful at this early stage
- 21 chars (4 per system, sf2, sfalpha, warzard, sf3 and ds) + ingrid.
- the sprites are not touched up to look similar style (see leo vs zangief shading, colouring and black edges) looks pretty ugly.

ill play it im sure, the system seems pretty cool but the graphics are ugly and the game seems choppy and framey at this point. ill go again sunday with a m8 for more impressions.

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"Re(1):beelzebubble´s CFJ report" , posted Fri 9 Jul 09:18

hmm... beez's impressions are different from 2chan's (and only 10 people at the loke test?? dammmn), but seeing how positive he was about SvC I find it hard to trust anything he says. Except the ugliness of the game; anyone could see that from teh screens.

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"Re(2):beelzebubble´s CFJ report" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:10

Dammit it's hard to focus on reading your posts with that bouncy avatar of yours!!!

Damn you Microsoft

because of you I can calculate faster than my computer!

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"PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:26:

Well, one actually. But a big one. With a lot of small ones in it

I like Zangi and Anakaris, but.. I understand the comments about Shinkirô's Urien now... (sugoikotoni...)

EDIT : I see the select screen, a new background (a forest?) and stupid, oh so stupid sentences all over... Cosmo ? What ?

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Fri 9 Jul 12:29]

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"Re(1):still raising my post account" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:29:

quote:

I really have the feeling the decision to make the game was taken by someone who didn't know the original games and barely played CvS2. The reason why Savior has such a perfect balance even though all the characters have so many offensive possibilities is because the defensive actions where perfectly balanced to counter them, without turning the game in a turtling fest. Savior without advanced guard or Guard cancel would have been quite different, and now Savior characters get to fight characters that don't even have an air guard... Ugh.
Same thing for 3rd strike. The systems where interesting because everyone had the same defensive possibilities, and the characters where created to match those. I really wonder what's going to happen...
...
No, OK, I'm just crancky because of Anakaris's Sabaki.

I'm slightly encouraged by some things I've heard, but it seems the game will end up being an embarrassing joke balance-wise unless they extend the development period and overhaul the whole thing.

I have to thank Iggy for his diligence and enthusiasm though. You're carrying the board, man.

/ / /

[this message was edited by Mosquiton on Fri 9 Jul 12:31]

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"I said "PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!"" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:33:

quote:
I have to thank Iggy for his diligence and enthusiasm though. You're carrying the board, man.

Maybe, but when I say "PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , I intend it to be heard.
I have my ego, you know.

EDIT : You're all mean with me.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Fri 9 Jul 12:37]

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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:35

quote:
Well, one actually. But a big one. With a lot of small ones in it

I like Zangi and Anakaris, but.. I understand the comments about Shinkirô's Urien now... (sugoikotoni...)

EDIT : I see the select screen, a new background (a forest?) and stupid, oh so stupid sentences all over... Cosmo ? What ?

thanx a lot iggy, yeah the select screen looks quite empty...seems like some more boxes can be added...maybe even some Ingrid sized boxes.....thanx again

i do would like to see that forest stage up close in high res just to check out if there are any cameos which is pretty much a very high possibilty

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"Re(1):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:38

quote:
Well, one actually. But a big one. With a lot of small ones in it

I like Zangi and Anakaris, but.. I understand the comments about Shinkirô's Urien now... (sugoikotoni...)

EDIT : I see the select screen, a new background (a forest?) and stupid, oh so stupid sentences all over... Cosmo ? What ?

Hmmm, now that I can actually see the character select screen, I think that the two extra characters from each game might just be wishful thinking (moreso, even). Also, there appears to only be room for one more new character alongside Ingrid unless they add a new row (her box has the same width as two columns).

P.S. I really like Anakaris's character art.

moonslash
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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:40

quote:
Well, one actually. But a big one. With a lot of small ones in it

I like Zangi and Anakaris, but.. I understand the comments about Shinkirô's Urien now... (sugoikotoni...)

EDIT : I see the select screen, a new background (a forest?) and stupid, oh so stupid sentences all over... Cosmo ? What ? Hmmm, now that I can actually see the character select screen, I think that the two extra characters from each game might just be wishful thinking (moreso, even). Also, there appears to only be room for one more new character alongside Ingrid unless they add a new row (her box has the same width as two columns).

P.S. I really like Anakaris's character art.

unless just for the beta, ingrids box is big...but more boxes can fit for sure...i cant wait for more characters...

2D will never die.

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"Re(2):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:40

I wonder what Brandon means when he invites his readers to read my first two posts... Aren't all my posts interesting ?

AREN'T THEY ?

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
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"Re(2):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:43

Ke-yow, that Shinkiro art for the cover is straight out of 1997. If it wasn't for that swirly, cosmic background [a recent staple of his pics] I would think it was an old shot instead of a retro look for his art.

moonslash
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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:44:

quote:
I wonder what Brandon means when he invites his readers to read my first two posts... Aren't all my posts interesting ?

AREN'T THEY ?

hey iggy, is it just me or does it look like another stage at the bottom right of the pic you posted..its the first little pic at the bottom right...also it seems like the super finish like in ST in the 4th

oh yeah, i like Urien's artwork alot....

2D will never die.

[this message was edited by moonslash on Fri 9 Jul 12:48]

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"Re(2):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 13:09

quote:

hey iggy, is it just me or does it look like another stage at the bottom right of the pic you posted..its the first little pic at the bottom right...also it seems like the super finish like in ST in the 4th

Maybe CFJ will have game specific super finishes.

As far as I know Zero and ST have them.

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"Re(3):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 13:27

Yeah after seeing the select screen I'm pretty convinced that there must be more characters that just aren't playable at the beta. With 2 more characters per game that means Tabassa and Tao are a given for Warzard.... either that... or the guy who made that select screen flunked out of design school.

moonslash
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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 14:02

quote:
Yeah after seeing the select screen I'm pretty convinced that there must be more characters that just aren't playable at the beta. With 2 more characters per game that means Tabassa and Tao are a given for Warzard.... either that... or the guy who made that select screen flunked out of design school.

then how would of he got a job at Capcom?

2D will never die.

Fuchikoma

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"Re(2):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 14:48

quote:

then how would of he got a job at Capcom?

Well he could be Funamizu's slightly deformed son... you never know. Anyway seems to me that's just a temporary select screen and we'll see more characters in the final.

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"Re(4):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 14:54

quote:
With 2 more characters per game that means Tabassa and Tao are a given for Warzard....

If you have followed the last few weeks, you have noticed we got 1 player character for 1 monster.
So if we get both Tao and Tabasa, it would mean we would get 2 monsters also (and, as a matter of fact, Kongo AND Blade are still available).
But 8 characters by game is far beyound what the game can offer. Besides, SF2 already has left than 4 characters left.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

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"Re(5):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 15:14

Nice pic. I sure wish we could get at least 1 more character per game, maybe as hidden? That is if Akuma will be in it, why not more?

Also, who knmows who the boss might be.

EddyT

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"Re(6):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 20:14

Thanks for the info, Iggy. Doesn't seem that this game will be very balanced, but hopefully they will take some time to even things out. I just hope there's no extremely serious bugs that rear its ugly head in the final, like how roll-cancelling changed CvS2 dramatically.

Boy, Shinkiro's Vega looks weird.

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"Re(5):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 21:12

quote:

If you have followed the last few weeks, you have noticed we got 1 player character for 1 monster.

It doesn't necessarily mean the pattern will continue. (Besides, I'd probably have to see it happen 3 or 4 times before I considered it a pattern.) While I'm hoping at least Tabasa makes it, too, I have the creeping fear this is pretty much it. Oh well, I'll still play it and have fun with friends. ^^

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"Re(6):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 21:27

**Still patiently waiting for Victor**

**Actually.... Still patiently waiting for LIVE enabled versions of Zero 3 and Vampire Savior**

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"Re(7):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Sat 10 Jul 07:45

Oooo,Karin's art is soo beautiful. Yeah! You now,Shinkiro actually did a good job on the Darkstalkers characters. Felicia's is probably the best of the lot.

And I spy a new background,looks like a Brazil one. It's that jungle one.

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"Re(3):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 12:33

Too much Vampire talk, I plugged my DC back to taste once again that fabulous (while not perfect) game that is Chronicle.
And definitely, even before parries or zero counters or guard cancels, the fact some characters miss the basic air guard worries me a LOT.
Jedah : stay on the ground =>Finale Rosso. Jump, and you have to be better than Jedah in the air (and some character in Savior can do it) or be very cautious (= use the air guard when you can't do anything else).
Anakaris : a jump = coffin drop.

And I'm afraid the only solution to balance the game is to nutter some moves. Like, giving the Finale Rosso and the coffins some lag before they get effective. In other words, make them useless. In again other words, make Jedah and Anakaris less fun to play.

Ughhhhhhh..... I wouldn't want to be one of the guys working on CFJ...

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

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"Re(4):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 12:48

quote:
Too much Vampire talk,

question: do Vampire characters get advancing guard? I hope they don't, because that would seriously screw things up against characters that don't.

I hope charge times are quick for the SF2 folks, they're gonna need it...

Iggy

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"Re(5):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 13:13

quote do Vampire characters get advancing guard? I hope they don't, because that would seriously screw things up against characters that don't.

Laugh : at least the first day of the test, they had it, and their guard cancels also, and neither used any bar.

So far, the only big disavantage I see is the nerfed damage and the fact they can only store up to 3 gauge. OH NO !

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

Henaki
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"Re(6):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 13:37

quote:
question: do Vampire characters get advancing guard? I hope they don't, because that would seriously screw things up against characters that don't.
Laugh : at least the first day of the test, they had it, and their guard cancels also, and neither used any bar.

So far, the only big disavantage I see is the nerfed damage and the fact they can only store up to 3 gauge. OH NO !

Or they could pull a Blizzard and just make everyone else better.

So...how about those...things....

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"hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 13:48

Link Here

The final game will officially have some characters and system we haven't seen yet at the beta test.
It doesn't mean "you'll get 2 more characters per game and perfect balance", but that's close enough for me.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

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"Re(1):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 14:15

Let the speculation about the remaining characters begin!

Fuchikoma

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"Re(2):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 14:33

Also let the speculation on the other game that this new system will represent... Cyberbots all the way!

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"Re(3):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 14:51

quote:
Also let the speculation on the other game that this new system will represent... Cyberbots all the way!

Wowowowowowowow.
It's "new system" as in "this and that character will get air guard". At best "3rd strike will have red parries", "Vampire characters won't have guard cancels anymore", "Vampire character will be nerfed so they all suck".
This kind of systems.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

Fuchikoma

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"Re(4):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 15:46

quote:
Also let the speculation on the other game that this new system will represent... Cyberbots all the way!
Wowowowowowowow.
It's "new system" as in "this and that character will get air guard". At best "3rd strike will have red parries", "Vampire characters won't have guard cancels anymore", "Vampire character will be nerfed so they all suck".
This kind of systems.

*blank stare* なるほど

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"Re(3):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 15:50

quote:
Cyberbots all the way!

HAW HAW. Ha ha ha, I have to admit, it would be downright.. bizarre to have the Super-8 fighting Ryu. :D

Super-8 vs. Nool!!

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"Re(4):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 16:02

Ring of Destruction: Slammasters II ?

Jojo's Bizzare Adventure ?

moonslash
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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Sat 10 Jul 17:12:

quote:
Ring of Destruction: Slammasters II ?

Jojo's Bizzare Adventure ?

slammasters II...maybe

jojo's...not in a million years...capcom licensed that license to be made into a game...its not capcoms...its like putting magneto into the game

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"Re(5):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 18:10:

quote:
It's "new system" as in "this and that character will get air guard". At best "3rd strike will have red parries", "Vampire characters won't have guard cancels anymore", "Vampire character will be nerfed so they all suck".
This kind of systems.

quote:

*blank stare*

You do this 'killing stare thing' because sadly it's the most likely scenario.... Well, considering that Kurow Mirishima is my favourite Capcom character ever here's a toast for CFJ2 and PJ characters on it....

Netherless I'm already on the CFJ train, considering that I worship SF2 Zangief & Guile, like the DS, SFIII & SFZ characters so far and I haven't played Warzard XD

I'll play this game even if it's unbalanced and it's like some crappy SvC Chaos 2 ;P

.... Netherless, I still feel like this will be an OK game.

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"Re(5):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 21:09

quote:
Ring of Destruction: Slammasters II ?

Spoiler (Highlight to view) -

Haggar WILL be in the game... but he's going to be a Zangief clone.

End of Spoiler

If they have the Tetsuo Hara art, I'm in.

quote:

Jojo's Bizzare Adventure ?

DON'T FEED IGGY.

Spoon

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"Re(4):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 21:10

quote:
Cyberbots all the way!
HAW HAW. Ha ha ha, I have to admit, it would be downright.. bizarre to have the Super-8 fighting Ryu. :D

Super-8 vs. Nool!!

And what's-her-face would be piloting Nool.

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"Re(7):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 21:40

quote:

Or they could pull a Blizzard and just make everyone else better.

THANK YOU VEWWY MUCH. That is what more fighting game makers need to be saying to themselves. If it's not an infinite or some ridiculous unblockable BS (Mist Trap, Tokido), leave it and give other characters something extra, if not a direct counter, something useful. Actually, one of the best and simplest things to do is just give the low damaging characters something stronger. Twelve, for instance, would be perfectly non-Chikyuu viable if he just had some good way to hit you for more than a 1/5 of your life at a time without using a full meter gauge.

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"Re(8):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 22:07

quote:

Or they could pull a Blizzard and just make everyone else better.

THANK YOU VEWWY MUCH. That is what more fighting game makers need to be saying to themselves. If it's not an infinite or some ridiculous unblockable BS (Mist Trap, Tokido), leave it and give other characters something extra, if not a direct counter, something useful. Actually, one of the best and simplest things to do is just give the low damaging characters something stronger. Twelve, for instance, would be perfectly non-Chikyuu viable if he just had some good way to hit you for more than a 1/5 of your life at a time without using a full meter gauge.

Sorry, only the EFZ people are allowed to do that.

KoOkyKyoji
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"Re(5):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 22:16

quote:
Ring of Destruction: Slammasters II ?

Sadly no to the Muscle Bomber/Slam Masters cast, since they aren't Capcom's. The only character in those games that is Capcom's is Mike Haggar, all the other characters are the property of Tetsuo Hara. So just like JoJo or the Marvel characters, don't hold your breath.

Too bad though, because Scorp/Astro is godlike.

XD

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"Re(6):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 22:38

This game will be horribly unbalanced for sure. The real issue is which characters will be the winners and who will be the losers.

I do not want this game to end up nothing but pharoah vs octopus matches and the occasional t-rex. To be good, it must be school girl 1 and school girl 2 vs moe girl and the shoto. Or Dante. Or perhaps the moe school girl version of Dante who is plays like a shoto clone.

BTW where is Dante???

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"Re(7):hope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 02:33

quote:
DON'T FEED IGGY.

What I hate in the Jojo game is that, even though it was a license game, there where more original characters in it than in any fighting game done afterwards. I mean, it was a license, nobody would have frowned if Avdol had been the Ryu clone, Polnareff a Guile or Blanka clone, Joseph a Zangief clone, Vanilla Ice the Vega clone, etc etc.
But no. They put incredibly original characters like Hol Horse, Pet Shop, Chaka, etc... And no one of those will ever come back. Now all they have to do is to make a new fighter, a new Vampire for example, with characters that slightly ressemble to them with the same moves. Or even completely different designs, they can have a pretty little girl with Alessy's moves if they want. ALL I WANT IS TO PLAY WITH MARIAH IN ANOTHER GAME. And if this happenned to be a fun game, I wouldn't be bothered a bit.

quote:
To be good, it must be school girl 1 and school girl 2 vs moe girl and the shoto.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhh...... Oh god, please...

quote:
BTW where is Dante???

Eating Juan's feces with Donovan.

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"Re(7):hope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 02:41

quote:
This game will be horribly unbalanced for sure.

For sure not... It may have some balance issue but Horribly, I don't think they can correct it.

IMO giving air guard to all characters where ever they comes could all ready fix quite some problems.
As for the SF characters they should put them all in the same line. all on the same damage graduation and take their super system like they do with the Ism in SF zero.

So all SF chara will be balanced, SF will may have only air guard in 1 super but they'll be easy to use and their super damaging, for SF zero I would trash the original combo system for the Z-ism with different level for super with air guard and Zero counter, weik suepr and voila, for SF 3 chara, Air guard parying (with red version) and medium damage super.

For the Vampire and Warzard, one again all on the same damage line, right Nool or Hauzer are as wierd to play as other characters like Phobos, victor or Zabel can be...For "hman" character Leo and Mukoro aren't that far from Demitri or Morrigan like characters.

Finaly they just need then to find a balance between SF and DS/WZ characters and voila a game quite balanced.

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"Re(8):hope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 02:51:

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I would trash the original combo system for the Z-ism with different level

what's the point in having them in, then ?

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[this message was edited by Iggy on Sun 11 Jul 02:52]

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"Re(9):hope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 04:06:

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I would trash the original combo system for the Z-ism with different level
what's the point in having them in, then ?

The same that in SF zero with X,Z, V ism.
IMO the custom combo suck...it make all the Zero characters useless and so Rose or Karin will never be touched by me..Even if I'm not the only one who will play this game, IMO Making SF character close to the X ism and making the Zero character to the Z ism will be better, Z ism is easier to use and between a characters with air guard and 1 super and some other with Air guard 3 super at 3levels and an alpha counter, and the other with air guard, parying and 2 super they may turn easier to balance.

V-ism is one of the less used even in CvS 2 so...different action for each SF game And different Way of using super at different damage Level count be more fun than a ridiculous combo system that reduce your damge and who can be stoped with only one hit from the opponent.

You said it yourself DS dominate, you really hopes to land a custom combo and Anakaris or Jedah???? no, and IMO Rose without her Shadow super is useless...
Sometimes easy thing are better than hard and complex system. IMO.

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[this message was edited by NARUTO on Sun 11 Jul 11:25]

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"haggy 2 dope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 08:15

just for fun here is Mike Hagger's movelist for SM2 :

[Special Moves]
Double Lariat: Both Punches or Both Kicks

Angry Hammer: B,F+Punch
-Haggar dashes forward and smashes with an overhead punch.
Using HP will dash farther than LP.

Violent Axe: HCF+Punch
-Haggar will spin forward with two hammer fist smashes, which can hit multiple times. Using HP will spin farther than LP.

[Super Slam]
Screw Piledriver (during Grab): 360º Motion+Grab
-Haggar leaps with his opponent into the air, then spins furiously and piledrives them into the ground.

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"Character details, new rom" , posted Sun 11 Jul 09:27:

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Rose or Karin will nevr be touched by me.

Well, sorry to be rude, but either way...

(snip the original combo nonsense, and "shoshoshoshoshoshoshoshoshoôken" original combo on Naruto)

Rose : 2 strong punch->AS throw works, while not on lower jump. The AS throw alone works wonders anyways.
The coffin dance and Dio Sega can't be reflected.
EDIT : gauge details not accurate anymore

Vega : close to CvS2. Jump mekuri middle punch is useful. far strong punch anti air. Psycho punish erases the projectiles. A guarded weak knee press can't be counterattacked (except by a special throw). the other go over the opponent.
The mega psycho crusher has a huge invincible time and goes through projectiles. damage : around 50%, overall more useful than the knee press nightmare.

Karin : her cancels work the same way as in Zero 3. strong punch is weak, while the 2+strong punch is still a great anti air, +236236K.
Original combo : strong kick x n + supercombo. why not.
she has her air throw, and it doesn't lag if missed (she does a weak punch)
EDIT : weak point not accurate anymore.

At least Demitri can air chain combo, but the guy made it against a guarding opponent, so maybe it won't connect.

Changes to the rom : the game became a little slower. THE GAUGE DOESN'T FILL WHEN YOU MISS A THROW ANYMORE. the hadôken has been extremely toned down, it's much slower now and barely connect with anything anymore. The shinkûhadôken is as fast, but weaker ; same as the sonic hurricane. Alex is a little faster, and Urien's tackle has a bit more lag. Felicia's sand is slower. the Vampire characters GC is so powerful and riskless it's not even funny. Anakaris didn't seem to change.

Karin chains much more than before. Quick jump. She's strong.

Mukuro can flee and teleport all day, and use kunai and chain while teleporting. no air guard = very dangerous. Since he can raise his gauge while fleeing like this, he has to be nuttered.

Ingrid can now cancel a lot. down + strong punch is slower. her normal strong punch is still extremely useful, but if they tone down this move, she will fall down to a completely useless character that can't do anything. Her moves don't connect as much as Karin. Still a badly done character.

The gap between Zangi and Anakaris is still here, but he can win against the other Vampire including Jedah. Demitri is the weakest character and except the low air demon flare (which is Hunter type by the way), Zangi may not have a lot to fear. Felicia's litter kick is still dangerous. The attack power difference is huge, a vampire full chain combo is weaker than a big strong Zangi punch. The double larriat can beat most of Jedah's forward moves, and Jedah may have to flee and protect himself his dio sega while trying to grab Zangi. Still a thought fight, but completely winable.

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[this message was edited by Iggy on Sun 11 Jul 09:35]

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"Re(10):hope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 09:40

quote:
I would trash the original combo system for the Z-ism with different level
what's the point in having them in, then ?

The same that in SF zero with X,Z, V ism.
IMO the custom combo suck...it make all the Zero characters useless and so Rose or Karin will nevr be touched by me..

[snip]

V-ism is one of the less used even in CvS 2 so...

[snip]

You said it yourself DS dominate, you really hopes to land a custom combo and Anakaris or Jedah???? no, and IMO Rose with her Shadow super is useless...
Sometimes easy thing are better than hard and complex system. IMO.

Just want to point some things:

1. V-Karin is considered a top tier character in Alpha 3
2. A-Groove is considered the best groove in CvS2. The most used groove right now is A-Groove, to the point that in Japan they have a term like "more of the same" for A-Groove players.

Rose and Guy are the ones who get nerfed in CFJ because their best -isms are Z, not A. That's not the case of Sakura and Karin.

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"Re(9):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sun 11 Jul 09:44

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Sorry, only the EFZ people are allowed to do that.

Tell that to Mai.

Well, at least she became more interesting instead of just setting up the crossup combo.

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"Re(1):Character details, new rom" , posted Sun 11 Jul 10:05

From Iggy:

> Changes to the rom : the game became a little slower.

Bad.

> THE GAUGE DOESN'T FILL WHEN YOU MISS A THROW ANYMORE.

This is good.

> the hadôken has been extremely toned down, it's much slower now and barely connect with anything anymore. The shinkûhadôken is as fast, but weaker ; same as the sonic hurricane.

All bad. LEAVE RYU'S HADOUKEN ALONE DAMMIT. It's supposed to be fast. Tone down the damage if you have to, but leave the speed and recovery Christ.

> Alex is a little faster, and Urien's tackle has a bit more lag.

Yah and boo, in that order. I hope they don't make his tackle suck again like in 2I.

> Felicia's sand is slower. the Vampire characters GC is so powerful and riskless it's not even funny. Anakaris didn't seem to change.

GC moves need to do zero damage or something.

> Karin chains much more than before. Quick jump. She's strong.

Good.

> Mukuro can flee and teleport all day, and use kunai and chain while teleporting. no air guard = very dangerous. Since he can raise his gauge while fleeing like this, he has to be nuttered.

Nah, leave him be until something definite comes about. I'm sure Jedah and ANakaris could hunt his ass down.

> Ingrid can now cancel a lot. down + strong punch is slower. her normal strong punch is still extremely useful, but if they tone down this move, she will fall down to a completely useless character that can't do anything. Her moves don't connect as much as Karin. Still a badly done character.

No comment. By design, she seems to be hideously dull.

> The gap between Zangi and Anakaris is still here, but he can win against the other Vampire including Jedah. Demitri is the weakest character and except the low air demon flare (which is Hunter type by the way), Zangi may not have a lot to fear.

Good to hear.

> Felicia's litter kick is still dangerous. The attack power difference is huge, a vampire full chain combo is weaker than a big strong Zangi punch. The double larriat can beat most of Jedah's forward moves, and Jedah may have to flee and protect himself his dio sega while trying to grab Zangi. Still a thought fight, but completely winable.

Good to hear, though I bet Gief will still end up being in low tier in the end.

Anyway, all this character tweaking sounds good (EXCEPT FOR RYU HADOUKEN GETTING TONED DOWN). This is more of what the game needs, not universal-balancing methods like giving everyone air guard (which will only start the trned of making every character type playing more and more the same). Oh, and make the weaker characters better, thanks. Give Gief his SF2 SPD range and damage back and even if he's low tier, Gief fans won't comaplain much.

Also, anyone check on normal throws? Range/Speed/Damage/priority (if applicable)?

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"Re(2):Character details, new rom" , posted Sun 11 Jul 10:15

>All bad. LEAVE RYU'S HADOUKEN ALONE DAMMIT.

Well, it was REALLY overpowered until today, far too fast. And the shôryûken is still a weapon some character just dream to have.

> I hope they don't make his tackle suck again like in 2I.

Again, it's not "slower than in the original game", it's slower than in the beta until yesterday". Urien could tockle all day without being countered by most characters.

>GC moves need to do zero damage or something.

Or to use some gauge ?

>Also, anyone check on normal throws? Range/Speed/Damage/priority (if applicable)?

I think I remember them to be quite effective while not overpowered, but I should check the...
(think to the 10 threads of 1000 messages that got written in a few days)
Uuuugh... I DON'T KNOW.

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"Re(3):Character details, new rom" , posted Sun 11 Jul 12:37:

Someone please get photos of the testing room, players, and officials.
Been posting your guys's reviews on my site so you know (giving full credit of course). =)

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[this message was edited by Dave on Sun 11 Jul 12:41]

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"Re(9):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sun 11 Jul 12:59

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Sorry, only the EFZ people are allowed to do that.

*head explodes*

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"Re(10):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sun 11 Jul 13:21

By the way, Felicia is her Savior self (Please help me and such) + sand kick.

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"Re(2):Re(10):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sun 11 Jul 15:28

Game looking good so far... nice to hear about more characters. Here's hoping for Juli & Juni (either a combined character, or some kind of special tag team) and Gen for the Alpha team... the rest of the games already have my favs in the backgrounds so I don't really care.

Hmmm, considering Juli was chosen for the gashapon treatment (which reminds me that I have to track that one down on Ebay) maybe she's the more likely character to appear.

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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Sun 11 Jul 19:24

yeah i was thinking that juli or juni might make the roster b/c cammys in the BG already...i looked at their moves today and i would prefer juni since she has a couple more useful original moves including a teleport and a 360 grab...i just hope if she does make it, to change her from a charge character and maybe incorporate juli in a super or something like that....

was the jungle stage shown in the beta test? i havent read anything on it...im wondering what BG characters it has on that stage if any

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"Re(2):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Mon 12 Jul 01:40

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was the jungle stage shown in the beta test? i havent read anything on it...im wondering what BG characters it has on that stage if any

Well I think that Hauzer is the one who fit to jungle, felicia too maybe... But in a "dream match" like this I don't think that characters "owns" a BG.

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"Re(1):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Mon 12 Jul 06:42

quote:
was the jungle stage shown in the beta test? i havent read anything on it...im wondering what BG characters it has on that stage if any

Well I think that Hauzer is the one who fit to jungle, felicia too maybe... But in a "dream match" like this I don't think that characters "owns" a BG.

what are you talking about? i meant BG characters like ken and tailbain....characters IN the BG....i never said anything about owning anything...

but i have a hunch that blanka may be in that jungle BG...

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"Re(3):Re(10):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Mon 12 Jul 12:13

quote:
Game looking good so far... nice to hear about more characters. Here's hoping for Juli & Juni (either a combined character, or some kind of special tag team) and Gen for the Alpha team... the rest of the games already have my favs in the backgrounds so I don't really care.

Hmmm, considering Juli was chosen for the gashapon treatment (which reminds me that I have to track that one down on Ebay) maybe she's the more likely character to appear.

Combined tag teams rule. Or... maybe I have too much fun with Ice Climbers in Super Smash Bros Melee or something, but it'd be a nice change of pace at least.

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"other detail" , posted Mon 12 Jul 12:55:

Vampire characters can't stun their opponent anymore.
Let's say it's for the sake of the balance and let's judge the final product.
Yes, I'll try to do it and refrain from harsh words for now.

Alex : powerful. blocking->hyper bomb = kowa !

Some people already say that after Ingrid, Anakaris (and some add Guile) get nerfed a bit (in Ingrid's case, when she will get interesting), the game is already enjoyable, with weak and strong characters, but enjoyable.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
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[this message was edited by Iggy on Mon 12 Jul 14:06]

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"Re(1):other detail" , posted Mon 12 Jul 15:11

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...the game is already enjoyable, with weak and strong characters, but enjoyable.

And on which field does Chun Li fits in?

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"Re(2):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Tue 13 Jul 04:32

quote:

what are you talking about? i meant BG characters like ken and tailbain....characters IN the BG....i never said anything about owning anything...

but i have a hunch that blanka may be in that jungle BG...

Oups sorry I've understand like: "wich characters the BG belong to?"...

SO now as you said blanka, can be in, Rikuo, Q-bee, Phobos, Oro, Elena.... Are those I think we'll saw there.

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"Re(1):other detail" , posted Tue 13 Jul 10:48

quote:
Some people already say that after Ingrid, Anakaris (and some add Guile) get nerfed a bit (in Ingrid's case, when she will get interesting), the game is already enjoyable, with weak and strong characters, but enjoyable.

Damn, how do you nerf Guile? He only has two moves. His moves were weak in CVS2 IMO, compared to his old SF version.

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"Re(2):Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Tue 13 Jul 13:09

quote:
yeah i was thinking that juli or juni might make the roster b/c cammys in the BG already...i looked at their moves today and i would prefer juni since she has a couple more useful original moves including a teleport and a 360 grab...i just hope if she does make it, to change her from a charge character and maybe incorporate juli in a super or something like that....

Sweet! We need more Cammy clones in games,ha ha!

Yay! I'd rather prefer Juli over Juni,but it wouldn't make sense to exclude either of them.

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"Re(1):other detail" , posted Tue 13 Jul 13:40

Oh, yeah, Iggy... has anybody mentioned if Anakaris can still back-dash off the edge of the screen?

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"Re(2):other detail" , posted Tue 13 Jul 14:47

"This just in.... Zangief's sprite has been touched up, they redid his head. Liek OMG! see Capcom does love their fans! They're teh gr8test!"
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"Re(2):other detail" , posted Tue 13 Jul 14:54

quote:
Oh, yeah, Iggy... has anybody mentioned if Anakaris can still back-dash off the edge of the screen?

This is the first thing I asked. Thank god HE CAN !

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"..." , posted Tue 13 Jul 15:34

quote:
"This just in.... Zangief's sprite has been touched up, they redid his head. Liek OMG! see Capcom does love their fans! They're teh gr8test!"
Quote From: Shiroi Kaze, snk-capcom forum member

Lame

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"Re(1):..." , posted Tue 13 Jul 16:20

Yeah that Shiroi Kaze guy is a total ass.

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"Re(2):..." , posted Tue 13 Jul 16:34

quote:
Yeah that Shiroi Kaze guy is a total ass.

no. he's just stupid

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"Re(3):..." , posted Tue 13 Jul 16:40

quote:

no. he's just stupid

Yeah really... I mean he should know that of course Capcom cares. If they didn't care they wouldn't even have made this game... it's not like they make MONEY from it or anything...

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"Re(4):..." , posted Wed 14 Jul 09:09

What's that you say? They are giving Gief big anime girl eyes?? And they are curling his beard and tying on a pink ribbon???

Awesome!

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"Re(5):..." , posted Wed 14 Jul 11:06

Personally I think it would be cool if he could wear a mask and change his name to Red Cyclone.

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"monkey told you" , posted Wed 14 Jul 13:51

JUNNA???

Papa mono and my evil alter ego will be outraged upon hearing this!

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quote:
Yeah that Shiroi Kaze guy is a total ass.

STFU

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"Re(1):monkey told you to go to hell" , posted Wed 14 Jul 14:25

quote:
JUNNA???

Papa mono and my evil alter ego will be outraged upon hearing this!

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Yeah that Shiroi Kaze guy is a total ass.

AND he's trying to rip you off

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"Re(2):monkey told you to go to hell" , posted Wed 14 Jul 16:24

Outrage? well her super-hero name is Jun Jun Justice.... but that doesn't seem to be helping so.... *Fuchikoma runs for the hills*

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"NANTO????" , posted Wed 14 Jul 16:50

quote:
JUNNA???

Papa mono and my evil alter ego will be outraged upon hearing this!

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Fuck!! Junna is fighting samus..... She must be an evil clone from my evil clone XD

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"Re(1):NANTO????" , posted Wed 14 Jul 17:13

I came back because I drop my keys... really. Ummm anyway he's not really Samus per-se... he's an alien that shoots urine at high pressure... I never really did settle on a name, I was torn between "The Whizzard" or "Captain Pee Pee"... the design is more a Mysterio rip-off though.

But seriously... There's another Junna? I was not aware of this...

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"Re(2):NANTO????" , posted Wed 14 Jul 17:22

quote:
I came back because I drop my keys... really. Ummm anyway he's not really Samus per-se... he's an alien that shoots urine at high pressure... I never really did settle on a name, I was torn between "The Whizzard" or "Captain Pee Pee"... the design is more a Mysterio rip-off though.

But seriously... There's another Junna? I was not aware of this...

The original evil clone spawn seeking world conquest was called Juna ; mainly created from juan's genes and a dodgeball thread she betrayed me when I send her in a secret mission to dispatch juan; then she betrayed juan and run into secrecy plotting revenge against their creators... Currently I have a less inteligent/powerful juna clone in my house...

You should call that samus 'meado' wich is a raw & rough term for pee in spanish XD

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"Re(3):NANTO????" , posted Wed 14 Jul 18:02

OIC... maybe I should stick a penguin in there somewhere.

Anyway even though the pee guy is supposed to get beaten in the first issue... I'll probably have him come back disguised as a mask wrestler... and "El Meado" sounds pretty good.

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"Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 03:10:

While Pharaoh is still amongst the strongest, he is the one with the lowest protection, so SF2 characters may stand a chance if they land one or two successful blow. Ths coffins can be blocked high or low. The cobra blow doesn't hit a crouched opponent.

But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

EDIT : oh, and the music might, MIGHT be done by Ise Satoshi, composer for CvS, sound effects for SF3 or DMC2. Uuuuuugh, CvS ?
And... wow, 6 backgrounds ?

EDIT 2 : and no kuzureyarare make me cry (no cheap finish KO animation. the character just takes the damage, then falls to the ground).

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Thu 15 Jul 03:31]

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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 08:32

quote:
While Pharaoh is still amongst the strongest, he is the one with the lowest protection, so SF2 characters may stand a chance if they land one or two successful blow. Ths coffins can be blocked high or low. The cobra blow doesn't hit a crouched opponent.

But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

Thanks to Iggy for continuing to be the source for Anakaris information. While I can understand the need to balance the game I'm puzzled as to why projectile eating move had to be removed. It more often than not came across as a fun move than a pratical one; for example, while it was neat you could eat and barf back BB Hood's land mines you could still win a match without bothering to do that. Would being able to burp up sonic booms be that big an advantage?

Does the Cobra Blow still hit multiple times at least?

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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 08:35

quote:
While Pharaoh is still amongst the strongest, he is the one with the lowest protection, so SF2 characters may stand a chance if they land one or two successful blow. Ths coffins can be blocked high or low. The cobra blow doesn't hit a crouched opponent.

But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

EDIT : oh, and the music might, MIGHT be done by Ise Satoshi, composer for CvS, sound effects for SF3 or DMC2. Uuuuuugh, CvS ?
And... wow, 6 backgrounds ?

EDIT 2 : and no kuzureyarare make me cry (no cheap finish KO animation. the character just takes the damage, then falls to the ground).

I haven't paid super close attention to this, but besides Ingrid, are they redrawing anything at all?

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"Re(2):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 08:37

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I haven't paid super close attention to this, but besides Ingrid, are they redrawing anything at all?

Zangief's head. No kidding.

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 08:56

Composer of CVS1?? CVS1 Soundtrack owns!!!

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"Re(4):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 11:24

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Composer of CVS1?? CVS1 Soundtrack owns!!!

he also did the music for CvS2 and some tracks on DMC2

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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 11:30

quote:
But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

Can't say I find that too surprising, especially considering how fireballs tend to be my greatest nemisis in fighting games. Wouldn't surprise me if the bozo responsible for that one was the same one that thought Athena's reflect move needed to have less duration in KOF 03.

quote:

EDIT 2 : and no kuzureyarare make me cry (no cheap finish KO animation. the character just takes the damage, then falls to the ground).

How the RS/JG series prevented you from getting away with cheap finishers will forever be a mystery to me. Be nice if other fighters took a que from that series...

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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 11:46

quote:

But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

Well I'm not a good Anakaris player but without "Void" and "Retribution" Anakaris is a bit helpless before projectiles...
Or many if you land a coffin on it you'll negate them...If it is, timing will be a "must learn"....

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"Re(2):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 12:42:

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Well I'm not a good Anakaris player but without "Void" and "Retribution" Anakaris is a bit helpless before projectiles...

You're not a good Anakaris player indeed.
The kotodama gaeshi is, like maybe ALL Anakaris moves, quite useless actually.
What make Savior Anakaris so great is that he has so many useless moves that somehow, whatever situations you're in, you have always something useful to get out of trouble, or something stupid but funny to piss off your opponent.
And in case of a projectile, the drop (miira ? I don't know how to romanize it) is always better.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Thu 15 Jul 13:44]

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"Re(5):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 12:58

quote:
he also did the music for CvS2 and some tracks on DMC2

Well, I'm one of the few who likes the songs in CVS2, minus Aomori Stage and that Snowy Background Stage. The rest of the songs are cool. Haven't played DMC2 yet but I plan to purchase soon.

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"Re(6):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 13:19

I didn't know that the person who did the music for both CvS 1 and 2 were one and the same. CvS1's music is soooooo much better than CvS2's.

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"Re(7):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 14:25

I do know Capcom stated that for CVS1 they were going for a more Techno style Soundtrack due to the game being set in 2000 for a futuristic sound and for CVS2 they tried to make the music with a little bit of everything for more variety if that helps.

As seperate OSTs, CVS1 is better because it has the two tracks of Ryu fighting Kyo and Chun-Li Fighting Mai. CVS2 has all the voice tracks, but I prefer vs. songs like above.

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"Re(8):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 16:31

I'm not a big fan of CvS1's soundtrack. Sure, I haven't played the game all that much, and once I unlocked the option to play with oldschool music, I never played played with the default soundtrack again, so I haven't really listened that much to the soundtrack... But none of the songs were really memorable to me. Looking back, I can't recall how any of the songs go, and all in all the impression I got was that it mostly just a generic techno mess. To me the CvS2 music really stands out more, and is definitely more memorable... I really like CvS2 's music, but I can't really say whether I prefer it over CvS1's soundtrack or not - simply because of the fact that I don't remember at all what CvS1 sounds like.

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"Re(9):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 20:59

I wish they do what they did with the old SF games. Have the music intensify when someone is down 50% in the second round. That always got the blood flowing.

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"Re(10):Anakaris + music" , posted Fri 16 Jul 03:50

quote:
I wish they do what they did with the old SF games. Have the music intensify when someone is down 50% in the second round. That always got the blood flowing.

I agree to that!! ^^

Indeed Iggy I a very bad Anakaris player, and in fact when I face him he's a true nuisance for me... I'm far better with people like Pyron, Q-bee or Phobos...
Air-play that's my way.

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"New rom" , posted Sun 18 Jul 12:43:

Warzard characters have been hugely improved. Their gauge raise even when they guard. Their biggest weakness is therefore gone (and I'm afraid Mukuro is going to be even more of a nuisance). They also can guard-> Ultimate Guard(which is now useful). The Ultimate Counter also has been beefed up and can now break a supercombo.
Also, the levelup now doesn't reset from round to round. It's now more easy to go up to level 5 or 6 (the maximum ?), and the damage shows the leveluping.
Raising characters instead of screwing Vampires, now that's what I'm waiting of that game.

Other details : the hadôken is back to what it was, the sabaki is now shorter, Guile lost (temporally?) the Sonic Hurricane but is still as strong, the sunshoot now goes half the distance. Oh, and the game now has the ... furimukiyarare (the thing when Alex hits the opponent and he temporally turns backward so you can hit him a little bit more) even though it's too short to do anything except an hyper bomb now and it happens on moves where it shouldn't, but it should evolve.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Sun 18 Jul 12:45]

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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Sun 18 Jul 19:48

quote:
EDIT 2 : and no kuzureyarare make me cry (no cheap finish KO animation. the character just takes the damage, then falls to the ground).

I liked it best when you got a Cheese (instead of a V or S or whatever the hell you got) icon when you won a round with chip damage in MvC1 :)

So...how about those...things....

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"Re(2):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 00:28

quote:
you won a round with chip damage

Is it how you write it ? "chip", not "cheap" ? What does it mean, then ?

(yes, I have this evil masterplan to see if the internet will implode if this thread breaks up the 200 posts limit)

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 00:38

quote:
you won a round with chip damage

Is it how you write it ? "chip", not "cheap" ? What does it mean, then ?

(yes, I have this evil masterplan to see if the internet will implode if this thread breaks up the 200 posts limit)

err I can still steer into here with the power of cable I will help push it to the limit. Also take this time to ask about any character interactions in the game or if not do you speculate like.. like.. let's see... I don't know M. Bison vs Urien

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 00:59

quote:
you won a round with chip damage

Is it how you write it ? "chip", not "cheap" ? What does it mean, then ?

(yes, I have this evil masterplan to see if the internet will implode if this thread breaks up the 200 posts limit)

I've seen it written as "chip damage" as well as "tick damage" and "block damage". I don't know if there is one offical name for it though.

If I had to guess, I'd say that people started using "chip damage" beacuse it's chipping away at the player's life bar in tiny bits like the way you can chip away little flakes off of a rock or an ice cube.

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"Re(4):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 01:39

quote:
If I had to guess, I'd say that people started using "chip damage" beacuse it's chipping away at the player's life bar in tiny bits like the way you can chip away little flakes off of a rock or an ice cube.

Hooo... I thought "cheap" finish because I thought it's a cheap way to, well, finish your opponent. I would love it if they could bring back the C'est mon choix - woooowing voices of Savior. (And now that I think of it, wasn't it written "cheap" in that game ? I'll check next time I'll need some hot honey-bee love).

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
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"Re(5):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 01:54

quote:
Hooo... I thought "cheap" finish because I thought it's a cheap way to, well, finish your opponent. I would love it if they could bring back the C'est mon choix - woooowing voices of Savior. (And now that I think of it, wasn't it written "cheap" in that game ? I'll check next time I'll need some hot honey-bee love).

That's what I was thinking too... And IIRC in SF zero2 it was writen as Cheap...

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"Re(6):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 04:06

It's cheap to win by chip damage, I guess.

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"Re(2):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 06:48

quote:
I liked it best when you got a Cheese (instead of a V or S or whatever the hell you got) icon when you won a round with chip damage in MvC1 :)

Couldn't you get a cheese in Primal Rage too? I seem to remember it being related to something besides killing someone with block damage, since I think you got it mid-round.

On the subject of cheap victories, I'm surprised that more games don't do like Melty Blood, and simply make it so that you can't die from block damage. I suppose that it suits MB more than most games since you can deal out a hell of a lot of block damage if you really apply yourself, but the same is true for beam-tastic games like MvC2 (even though it's not quite as big of a deal to lose one of your three characters from block damage, but you know what I'm saying).

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 07:09

~~Enjoy~~ Use everything.

Cheap is not a word in my fighting game dictionary.

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 10:21

quote:
I liked it best when you got a Cheese (instead of a V or S or whatever the hell you got) icon when you won a round with chip damage in MvC1 :) Couldn't you get a cheese in Primal Rage too? I seem to remember it being related to something besides killing someone with block damage, since I think you got it mid-round.

If memory serves you could also get a no cheese icon in Primal Rage if you tried to do a combo that the programmers didn't like. That's the only game I know of that mocked and chided players for trying to test out the game engine. Considering that Primal Rage had nonsense like re-stun combos and whatnot in it I'm not sure where it got off trying to tell the player what was cheese and what wasn't.

Damn but this is a long thread and there still aren't any pictures of Zangief's new head posted in it.

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"Re(1):" , posted Mon 19 Jul 13:01

any thing on CFJ in the latest Famitsu magazine? isnt it the time of the month that the new issue comes out?

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:04

quote:

On the subject of cheap victories, I'm surprised that more games don't do like Melty Blood, and simply make it so that you can't die from block damage. I suppose that it suits MB more than most games since you can deal out a hell of a lot of block damage if you really apply yourself, but the same is true for beam-tastic games like MvC2 (even though it's not quite as big of a deal to lose one of your three characters from block damage, but you know what I'm saying).

Capcom themselves tried that with JoJo.
The problem with this feature is that encourages extreme turtling near the end of a player's health bar.
It can be accectable only if paired with a solid guard-crush system (which JoJo failed, since all the non-active stand wielders couldn't be stand-crushed)
Overall, I'm all for chip deaths, even if I don't like when it happens against me.
One of the many things I like about 3rd Strike is also that you can always avoid being chipped to death, but it requires skill

3rd Strike rulez ;)

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"Stop Posting Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:13

Thread is TOO big. I'm starting another one. ^_^

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"Post Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:21:

quote:
Thread is TOO big. I'm starting another one. ^_^

NOT BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS TO 200 POSTS !

Interesting : the Zero characters also raise their gauge when they guard. Rose and Guy love it.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Mon 19 Jul 14:21]

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"Re(1):Post Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:31

Are you serious? Well, I started the second Thread all the same with an extra bit of lunacy... let me know if you want me to rename it.

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"Re(4):Chip damage" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:38

quote:

Capcom themselves tried that with JoJo.
The problem with this feature is that encourages extreme turtling near the end of a player's health bar.
It can be accectable only if paired with a solid guard-crush system (which JoJo failed, since all the non-active stand wielders couldn't be stand-crushed)
Overall, I'm all for chip deaths, even if I don't like when it happens against me.
One of the many things I like about 3rd Strike is also that you can always avoid being chipped to death, but it requires skill

Capcom's Moero! Justice Gakuen (and the original as well?) also disallowed chip damage for winning a match and succeeded quite well in doing so.

I still like Vampire Savior's damage system the best, though I'd like to play around with an option not to carry damage across "rounds".

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"Re(2):Post Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:40

quote:
Are you serious?

YES, I AM. (chichichi)

there's nothing interesting to say about this game before the next bunch of characters is revealed anyways, as your attempt of a template) shows.

And the official boss of CFJ actually is Michitsuna no Haha.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

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"Re(3):Post Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 15:33

It is cheap finish in Vampire Savior, that Alex thing is called the Flash Chop, I believe (it's like the pro-wrestling chop, which Ric Flair and Chris Benoit do a lot) and meter building while guarding is the bee's knees.

There! Now I'm off to post in the other thread too! Isn't that kooky!

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 19:51

quote:
On the subject of cheap victories, I'm surprised that more games don't do like Melty Blood, and simply make it so that you can't die from block damage. I suppose that it suits MB more than most games since you can deal out a hell of a lot of block damage if you really apply yourself, but the same is true for beam-tastic games like MvC2 (even though it's not quite as big of a deal to lose one of your three characters from block damage, but you know what I'm saying).

It depends. Different games work in different ways (EFZ... no timer, no chip damage kills!) and have different styles (chipping is an integral part of MvC2; it is NOT cheap).

I don't miss the cheese as much as I miss the cherry for killing with a jab/short. But hearing Dudley say "Too... strong!" more than makes up for it in 3S.

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"Re(4):Anakaris + music" , posted Tue 20 Jul 01:51

IMO cheap victory are a part of the game, after all if you didn't wish to be "cheap-beaten" it's up to you to avoid damage...

I have a friend who alway scream about those but he always block fireball and such when he can jump over them.
taking the block damage as a part of your strategie isn't a bad thing IMO.

And so the thread rise closer to the 200post!!

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"Go 200 Posts!" , posted Tue 20 Jul 07:55

K-Man already ruined the other Thread for me, so GO 200 POSTS!

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"181 !" , posted Tue 20 Jul 09:39:

Krzyzewski : no, not the flash chop, he already had it, it's the state the opponent is in after the flash chop that has been added.

The shinkû senpûkyaku and the Sonic Hurricane have been removed from the move list. Are they definitely gone ?

Some moves have changed. Felicia's Please Help Me is now 632146 KK, and the Dancing Flash is 632146 PP. Ingrid, Nool and Mukuro also had their command changed.
Yun can't combo after his... raigekikyaku ?
Mukuro had his new move implanted. He doesn't remove the heart from his victim now, just some soul-like thingie, identical for everyone. Bouuuuh....
The litter kick of Felicia is still here, but has a huge lag now.
Some other changes, Alex's jump is strangely low and reminds Charolette's best hours. that makes him quite different, but extremely effective.
Karin is better and better ; her middle attack has vastly improved.
Jedah's air moves seem to be those of his Hunter version from Chronicle, while his dash is far slower than in Savior. His close dash acts very different from the Savior one, and his moves have a different lag. He is as weak as ever on the defensive side (maybe worse, his down-middle kick is slower) so you need to advance guard every time you can.
Ah, actually, all the characters from Vampire have the air chain combo laws of Hunter, not Savior (they can use any move in the air when the lag of the one they're using is gone, and as far they're not doing the same move again). Well, Anakaris didn't had much use of his air chain combo in Savior, so it can only make him even stronger. Also, the hit back of the ground chain combo is shorter, so the chains are easier (to counter the low damage)
Vega's normal moves seem a little stronger than in CvS2.

...and much, much other changes. Just another detail : this is the 3rd (4th? 5th?) beta version since the beginning of the beta tests. Capcom is really tweaking the game, they are really making their best to cover the... hmm, graphical weakness of the game. Screw the "IT'S MUGEN!" monkeys, let's forget our hopes for nice additions and stuff, at least they are doing their best with their extremely limited teams.
And I like it. It's that kind of of spirit Yuki had when they rocketested SS0 and SupiSupe, and that's the kind of spirit that severely lacks in all the reports from... humm, I don't know, Nowave's betatests for example.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

[this message was edited by Iggy on Tue 20 Jul 11:04]

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"Several questions" , posted Tue 20 Jul 10:37

I don't know if any of these have been answered already, but I might as well throw them in.

1. What move set does Sakura have? (i.e. Does she have her "Zero" set, including that one move in "Zero III" whose name has escaped from me?)

2. If Ise Satoshi-san is composing the music, this means another no classics game, right? (I think I already know the answer to my own question and I know that I will be real upset at the end. I'll be listening to "Precious Heart" around the clock now. --')

3. Now if I recall, the game has a style gimmick. So, does this mean the "II" and "III" characters don't have the ability to air block? (Remember. I said "block", not "parry".)

4. When you taunt, whose power gauge do you increase?

5. Any word on endings?

6. Did anyone get seiyuu changes?

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"Re(1):Several questions" , posted Tue 20 Jul 10:51

Hmm, it sounds like I'm going to have to relearn Jedah if he's in Hunter mode.

How is Alex doing his new move? Is it his

or is it some new command?

While I suspect this game is very far down on the priority list for Capcom it's good to hear that the people working on the game are trying their best with the limited resources they have.

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"Re(2):Several questions" , posted Tue 20 Jul 11:31

No report on changes for Chun Li? Is nobody using her or what? :(

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"mmcafe accounts..," , posted Tue 20 Jul 11:45

quote:

[And what happened to my old account? Deactived for non-usage?]

In teory the account gets erased after 4 months of no posting...
regarless you could 'check replies' for your old nick and ask for email password confirmation....

go 200 post, go!!

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"Endings?" , posted Tue 20 Jul 12:39

Someone at Gamefaqs in the Capcom Fighting Jam Board is saying that Studio Udon is providing all of the Artwork for the CFJ endings. The only ending he got a look at was Ryu fighting Gallon in his ending.

We do know that Studio Udon is working on a secret project that will delay issue 10 and Capcom gave them a special project they could not turn down. Let's see if this rumor pans out. Unfortunatly, it involves the usual "I know a friend of a friend" Gamefaqs style rumor so prolly not.

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"Re(1):Endings?" , posted Tue 20 Jul 17:18

quote:
Someone at Gamefaqs in the Capcom Fighting Jam Board is saying that Studio Udon is providing all of the Artwork for the CFJ endings. The only ending he got a look at was Ryu fighting Gallon in his ending.

We do know that Studio Udon is working on a secret project that will delay issue 10 and Capcom gave them a special project they could not turn down. Let's see if this rumor pans out. Unfortunatly, it involves the usual "I know a friend of a friend" Gamefaqs style rumor so prolly not.

Well, now we can expect the girls to look ugly (i´m still amazed on how Alvin Lee manages that with Chunners and Sakura).

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"Re(1):Endings?" , posted Tue 20 Jul 20:21

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Someone at Gamefaqs in the Capcom Fighting Jam Board is saying that Studio Udon is providing all of the Artwork for the CFJ endings. The only ending he got a look at was Ryu fighting Gallon in his ending.

I guess that would be cool if it turns out to be true. I was going to say "Why is Capcom wasting time with endings in such a game?", but if they're farming it out to Udon, it probably means that they would be able to concentrate more on the game itself instead of frivolous fluff.

Anyway, glad to hear that they're testing it seriously. AND that they're finalling wising up and toning all other characters up instead of just weakening the strong ones (though they weakened the strong ones as well - that will probably bite them in the ass; I'll bet the DS characters will end up sucking in the final version). I just hope that if/when new characters are added, they retest it just as thoroughly.

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"Re(1):181 !" , posted Tue 20 Jul 20:30

KOOKY>SANO

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Krzyzewski : no, not the flash chop, he already had it, it's the state the opponent is in after the flash chop that has been added.

'Round these here parts, we lack ta call 'at back-turned state, son.

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The shinkû senpûkyaku and the Sonic Hurricane have been removed from the move list. Are they definitely gone ?

Denis Leary says yes.

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Yun can't combo after his... raigekikyaku ?

You mean the dive kick (where he attacks in the air like a crane)?

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Mukuro had his new move implanted. He doesn't remove the heart from his victim now, just some soul-like thingie, identical for everyone. Bouuuuh....

Well, in all honesty, it would be a bit off-putting to see someone get up after that. Unless you'd done it as part of a zombification ritual. Then the blackened pit that was formerly your heart would seem somehow warmer.

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The litter kick of Felicia is still here, but has a huge lag now.

Not a bad idea, honestly. It's a really strong move, and regardless, the light Neko Spike should function somewhat similarly.

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Some other changes, Alex's jump is strangely low and reminds Charolette's best hours. that makes him quite different, but extremely effective.

Indeed. Low jumps are always good to have, see King of Fighters, the aforementioned Charlotte, and A-poc beasting with A-Balrog.

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Karin is better and better ; her middle attack has vastly improved.

This is the time many people would make a high-pitched "whoop." I'm glad to say I don't.

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Jedah's air moves seem to be those of his Hunter version from Chronicle, while his dash is far slower than in Savior. His close dash acts very different from the Savior one, and his moves have a different lag. He is as weak as ever on the defensive side (maybe worse, his down-middle kick is slower) so you need to advance guard every time you can.

Mooooooooooooo.

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Ah, actually, all the characters from Vampire have the air chain combo laws of Hunter, not Savior (they can use any move in the air when the lag of the one they're using is gone, and as far they're not doing the same move again). Well, Anakaris didn't had much use of his air chain combo in Savior, so it can only make him even stronger. Also, the hit back of the ground chain combo is shorter, so the chains are easier (to counter the low damage)

That should help Jedah a lot, too. Keeping the opponent in range of a C. Roundhouse chain finisher makes his chains significantly more damaging. Or at least that's what I've noticed.

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...and much, much other changes. Just another detail : this is the 3rd (4th? 5th?) beta version since the beginning of the beta tests. Capcom is really tweaking the game, they are really making their best to cover the... hmm, graphical weakness of the game. Screw the "IT'S MUGEN!" monkeys, let's forget our hopes for nice additions and stuff, at least they are doing their best with their extremely limited teams.
And I like it. It's that kind of of spirit Yuki had when they rocketested SS0 and SupiSupe, and that's the kind of spirit that severely lacks in all the reports from... humm, I don't know, Nowave's betatests for example.

Good for Capcom. Although that kind of beta test should be the standard, not above and beyond. Now, what's Nowave beta testing? I'm a bit ig'nant. Yes, ig'nant.

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"200 post here we go!" , posted Wed 21 Jul 01:35

Well it's a very good thing that they're testing it seriously, maybe this way the game will have a good sucsees and later some other game project will be taken more seriously with more money and people to made them.

Still curious to know if some boss will made it to the final product.
Hope they won't screw them like in CvS2.

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"191 !" , posted Wed 21 Jul 03:16:

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if they're farming it out to Udon, it probably means that they would be able to concentrate more on the game itself instead of frivolous fluff.

Well, you know, it's not like Shinkirô or Nishimura were actually the ones drawing Ingrid (or Zangief's head, if it's real) sprites... If they are here, they could as well draw the ending. And as much as I don't like them, I think I'd rather the integrality of the game to be developped inside Capcom then to be finished with the help of some cheap 3rd world country societies. If Capcom needs something now, it's the Capcom Spirit, they'd better take advantage of that game to recover it.

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You mean the dive kick (where he attacks in the air like a crane)?

(Checks in his 3rd strike manual) Yes, I think it's that move.

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Well, in all honesty, it would be a bit off-putting to see someone get up after that. Unless you'd done it as part of a zombification ritual. Then the blackened pit that was formerly your heart would seem somehow warmer.

I think the heart thing was only there if you finish the guy with it. (he has his original winning pose from Warzard when he does it). On one hand, Jedah can swallow multiple souls with his ES ; on the other one, doing this on Karin or Sakura would be quite... Well, I kinda understand why they didn't put it in. Or maybe only on Vampire characters...

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Although that kind of beta test should be the standard, not above and beyond.

I think in the beta test of GG Isuka (or was it Rumble Fish ? KOF 2003?) they didn't had sheets for player to write down their feelings about the game, and the developers left very early. It was a beta test just to make people speak about the game and nothing else.

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Now, what's Nowave beta testing? I'm a bit ig'nant. Yes, ig'nant.

Kof Nowave has been in beta test for long now, and I don't think it has changed more than once since the beginning of the test. Well, since it's 2002+, and since most of the hidden characters (all of them ?) will be returning characters from 2002, I guess even Imoya can balance them without public beta. I think they could balance the whole game without doing the beta test. I also think they could not have done this game at all.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

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Sano

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"Re(1):193 now! HOLLA!" , posted Wed 21 Jul 07:08:

KRZYZEWSKY MAN = ANNOYING!
SANO = ANNOYING x INFINITY!

And Krzyzewski Man you really need to let your love for Sesame Street and the Cookie Monster go. I liked chanting "KOOKY" too like the Cookie Monster does repeatedly, when I was Five...

Me personally, I don't mind if the rumor holds true and Udon does the ending. They work close with Capcom of Japan, even had Shinkiro provide 2 covers for them, and CFJ letting Udon do the endings is more of a tribute of how happy they are with Udon. It's just drawings, the Artists who draw the characters hardly ever draw the endings and even if Udon writes the endings, none of them will be official anyway.

And hey, Udon actually cares more about SF than Capcom does keeping us waiting ongoing 5 years for a sequel...

[this message was edited by Sano on Wed 21 Jul 08:27]

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"Re(1):Endings?" , posted Wed 21 Jul 07:33

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Someone at Gamefaqs in the Capcom Fighting Jam Board is saying that Studio Udon is providing all of the Artwork for the CFJ endings. The only ending he got a look at was Ryu fighting Gallon in his ending.

We do know that Studio Udon is working on a secret project that will delay issue 10 and Capcom gave them a special project they could not turn down. Let's see if this rumor pans out. Unfortunatly, it involves the usual "I know a friend of a friend" Gamefaqs style rumor so prolly not.

Considering that SNK brought in Falcoon to work on KoF03 or how Karin was a character in Sakura's manga before she was imported into SFA3 the idea of Capcom going with an enthusiastic outside source for part of a game isn't without precedence. Still, the idea that the rumor came out of GameFAQS does give me pause. I don't know how the GameFAQS message boards developed such a lousy reputation but it's such an accepted idea it taints any information that comes out of that site.

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"Re(2):Endings?" , posted Wed 21 Jul 11:36

Editor of the US SF Comic, Erik Ko is gonna go to Gamefaqs to check this rumor out. We'll see how things pan out...

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"Re(3):Endings?" , posted Wed 21 Jul 12:01:

About Mukuro's move, like Iggy said you should kill the opponent with it, in battle there was nothing more than damage.

And the animation was different for each characters:

Human characters:(playable) Mukuro get a heart with red blood and squish it.

CPU characters: (monsters) Mukuro get a heart with green blood and squish it.

Other CPU characters: (Gigi Blade) mukuro get an ord like thing for Gigi and an emerald for blade (their core) and squish those.

For Valdoll nothing happen since at the end of the 1st round he transform himself and the 2nd form is just an huge brain with Valdoll remains so...

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"Re(1):" , posted Wed 21 Jul 19:14:

hey, capcom updated their site on CFJ...can someone translate what it says on the left where the beta announcements were? thanx...

just adding to the number 200...

edit: nevermind, i just read the other CFJ thread....

2D will never die.

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Krzyzewski Man

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"Re(2):193 now! HOLLA!" , posted Wed 21 Jul 19:29

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KRZYZEWSKY MAN = ANNOYING!
SANO = ANNOYING x INFINITY!
MISSPELLING KRZYZEWSKI MAN'S NAME = ANNOYING x TRIPLE INFINITY!

Agreed on all counts.

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And Krzyzewski Man you really need to let your love for Sesame Street and the Cookie Monster go. I liked chanting "KOOKY" too like the Cookie Monster does repeatedly, when I was Five...

...I really don't know what the jokes are anymore. National conventions are bad enough...

Anyway, if there is any actual confusion, let it be put to rest.

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cafeh2
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"Re(3):193 now! HOLLA!" , posted Wed 21 Jul 22:42

I think it's true that Udon is drawing the endings. Udoneko didn't deny it when he responded on the srk thread and the artist link on gamefaqs was to someone who looked very Udon compatible.

Given Alvin Lee's capability for drawing bishoujo I fear for Ing-tan's ending but I know overall Udon will probably draw the best endings Capcom's ever had. I wonder if Capcom is letting them write the endings too.

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"Re(4):193 now! HOLLA!" , posted Thu 22 Jul 01:52

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I think it's true that Udon is drawing the endings. Udoneko didn't deny it when he responded on the srk thread and the artist link on gamefaqs was to someone who looked very Udon compatible.

Given Alvin Lee's capability for drawing bishoujo I fear for Ing-tan's ending but I know overall Udon will probably draw the best endings Capcom's ever had. I wonder if Capcom is letting them write the endings too.

Well IMO I don't really like when someone else than the company itself is doing the job... I'm not telling that Udon are bad peoples (I didn't know them at all.) But those are risky, it can be so different from the game spirit.

just like in FF9 when some FMV scene drop down a bit in quality, those were made by a french team but they didn't have the full game and in some detail you can see it.

Well I suppose Capcom is doin it because of a limited team.

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"WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 01:58

IF THIS POST IS THE 200th, THEN R-MIKA IS IN CFJ !

Or maybe not. We'll see if the internet can survive this 200 posts of unmitiged Zangi love.
Thanks to everyone who posted here, it's like the biggest achievement of my life. Now everybody go back to sleep and watch some awesome movies about Metal Gear, and refrain from posting anything else here to keep the sheer beauty of the magical 200 going.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

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"Re(1):WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 02:52

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and refrain from posting anything else here to keep the sheer beauty of the magical 200 going.

ok :)

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"whitesword IS ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 05:14

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ok :)

BE CURSED !

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"Re(1):WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 07:23

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and refrain from posting anything else here to keep the sheer beauty of the magical 200 going.

Can I summon the spirit of Hazzan to give this thread a golden goodbye?

Iggy

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"Re(2):WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 07:56

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Can I summon the spirit of Hazzan to give this thread a golden goodbye?

Oh, please do, I'm too shy to do it myself.

これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

Hagen de Merak

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"Re(2):WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 07:58

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and refrain from posting anything else here to keep the sheer beauty of the magical 200 going.

Can I summon the spirit of Hazzan to give this thread a golden goodbye?

I miss the little guy

Sano

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"Overtime!" , posted Thu 22 Jul 09:18:

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KRZYZEWSKY MAN = ANNOYING!
SANO = ANNOYING x INFINITY!
MISSPELLING KRZYZEWSKI MAN'S NAME = ANNOYING x TRIPLE INFINITY!

Agreed on all counts.

So long as you agree I'm the most annoying, I'll agree with that, we have come to terms! LOL!

Anyway, Erik Ko sent me a Private Message. He said Studio Udon is not drawing the endings to CFJ and it is just a rumor. Darn liars at Gamefaqs...

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"Re(1):Overtime!" , posted Thu 22 Jul 10:58

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Anyway, Erik Ko sent me a Private Message. He said Studio Udon is not drawing the endings to CFJ and it is just a rumor. Darn liars at Gamefaqs...

A rumor at gamefaqs turned out to be erroneous?!

I wish I had saved Iggy's Bezerk/gamefaqs image.

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"Re(3):WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 13:11

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Can I summon the spirit of Hazzan to give this thread a golden goodbye?

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"CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 21

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Zangief ! Karin ! Urien ! ANAKARIS ! NULL or whatever his name is written !
Yippie.
AND NO Gôki.
Yippie yippie.

SF2 : extremely simple, no bizarre subsystem, deal a lot of damage. 3 punch = jikansaokiagari ("delayed wake up ?")

Zero : the original combo are the key to everything. 2 strong buttons = activation.
Air gard.
Zero counter.
Ukemi.
They also seem to have supercombos.

Street 3 : blocking, leap attack, big jump, quick standing, dash. can stock up to 2 meters.

Alex vs Zangi kitaaa! Anakaris come back kitaaa! Karin vs Ingrid kitaaa! Octopus love kitaaa! Urien... Urien.

Ryû has his usual 3 moves + the fire hadôken. supers : shinkû hadôken + shinshôryûken.

VAMPIRE : ES AND EX moves !? love love love. air guard + chain combo + guard cancel + idô okiagari ("moving wake up"?) + oiuchi kôgeki (hitting the opponent on the ground).

***(add random Anakaris love here)***

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"Re(1):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:03

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Holy hell. Is all of this true?

Capcom seems to be doing something that's vaguely resembling "listening to the fans"...

This piqued my interest a little more.

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"Re(2):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:14

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I still say

LAWL Mugen.

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"Re:CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:16

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Street 3 : blocking, leap attack, big jump, quick standing, dash. can stock up to 2 meters.
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"Blocking" = Parry? (for us Americans)

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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:23

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What's the word on 21 characters and no special midnight bliss?

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moonslash
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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22

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say, whered u read this?

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"raising my post account" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22

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The selection screen is set with Ingrid in the middle, and her box seems bigger than the one of others. I begin to fear she's the only one not from one of the 5 games and we've seen all the characters... But Anakaris is here, and I'm happy.
Someone thought it would be a good idea to put each game logo on the select screen, and surprisingly enough, it was not.

The Vampire sprites seem quite dull (no joking ?). On the contrary, the Warzard sprites, having not been seen in years (and being CPS3) are extremely good looking. Both Warzard and Alex have lost some frames, the result is quite strange on Alex (Chunli and Yun being CvS2-ish)

To balance their many systems, Vampire characters deal very little damage (the opposite of SF2 characters). They also are extremely quick. Much Felicia and Jedah angst ahead. (Zangi / Jedah = 0:10 ?)

You can use your second character in the first round by pressing 3 kicks.
The gauges carry on to 2nd and 3rd round.
For all systems, normal throws and nagenuke (going out of a normal throw) is made by pressing the 2 weak buttons.
Ingrid seems to be in C groove : 3 meters, zenden (KOF-like invinsible forward going move), idô okiagari, air guard.
Let's hope it's because it's a test, but there are few alternate colors.
Many supercombo couldn't be done (including the MB). It's still unclear wether they are not (yet?) in the game or their commands have been changed. At least, Ingrid's level 3 is not yet implemented, and will be at some point in the future.

(Even if the MB is not in the game, maybe the ôke no sabaki is in, or the Pharaoh magic/illusion/decoration. Because Demitri was in SvC and Anakaris was not, some people seem to forget that my beloved pharaoh has the sex change thing too, and he also has the sabaki. I just hope it's not a half-assed thing like in MvC2. I DO hope it's not an half-assed pharaoh like in MvC2. But no one seems to give him any pharaoh-love...)

Hauzer can be thrown like every other characters. Big damage, big stun gauge damage as well. He is far from weak. His fighting style seems to be Dahlsim-esque : don't let the opponent come near you. He has a good number of wide range moves, a good fireball, down+middle punch = strong antiair, down+strong kick = tail move, long range and big damage, down+strong punch : stomp move, for little pixies like Felicia, Yun or Ingrid.
But then of course, he's huge, he has difficulties to come near the opponent (I'm not sure he's supposed to anyways) and his jump is very low. His Berzerk mystic break (hyper armor) is not in the game (yet?), he has the gust flame (the thing he spits on Demitri on one of the first pics we had) and a rushing forward break.

The Warzards have the Ultimate Counter (guard cancel) and mystic breaks (super combos). Like in Warzard, the Ultimate Counter is everything but ultimate (no invinsibility, the two monster may have trouble if cornered). They get gems to level up, but mystic breaks use one gem (= level down). The screwdriver-like move of Leo or Hauzer's jumping antiair move can be done only when leveluped. Octopi's (Billy Kane-like)anti air seems to be like Chunli's move now (the 3rd strike thingie).
Keeping those characters for a second or third round may be the best idea. Personally, they seem the funnier characters to use (especially the 2 monsters) even if they may be weak. Hauzer and the Octopi (I'll stick to that name until I know how to write "Null") seem to have winning quote as well as the human characters.

Yun has the geneijin.

The BGM are all original, and fixed on each stage (sigh)

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moonslash
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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 22:48

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u get any descriptions on how the select screen looks or the music in the game?

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"Re(2)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Wed 7 Jul 23

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Aegis Reflector!

Look out Guy

edits.. Any character interactions ala CvS 1 and 2?

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"Re(1):raising my post account" , posted Wed 7 Jul 23:22

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Any reports on how far along this beta version is? Any special intors? Any wack cameos in the background from other Capcom games?

Yes, I may be weak but I think the propsect of Karin and Sakura in a fighting game will make this a definite buy. And the rest of the lineup is vaired enough to keep my intrest despite the smaller roster...

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"Re(2):raising my post account" , posted Wed 7 Jul 23:29

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Any word on a boss? From what I gather after 7 wins the machine restarts or you get a game over.

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"Re(3):raising my post account" , posted Wed 7 Jul 23:36

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Cool news! Thanks Iggy.

So is it confirmed whether the characters are STUCK wit their respective grooves or can you actually change them?

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"Re(1):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 00

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SF3 : no SA select. They all have 2 (3?) SA. It seems quite hard for them, the blocking is P Groovy, and there is no red blocking. They have the EX moves.

Urien's tackle and projectile have nearly no lag, upper has no lag but misses a jumping opponent and can't be followed up, tyrant is his most useful move, Aegis has been toned down a lot.

Some of Alex's normal moves are faster, and his dash is fast also. But not only his specials are slow, but the Vampire characters having their idô okiagari make his mind games useless, and he is toast against them. Felicia doing her litter kick all day is enough to kill him. (Felicia is her Hunter self ?). If he had the red blocking he could face the Vampires, but... Let's hope the final balance of the game won't be acquired by raping Jedah and Anakaris (And no, I don't care for the two others, they can nutter the cat is they want). Especially Anakaris has a long history of being called game breaker in the beta tests, then ending sub-middle character at best...

Ugh, some employee said Gôki was in the game... As the boss ? As the 5th character of the SF2 team ? (and would it mean we will have 5 more characters at least ?)
Ummmmmmm...

Hmmm... like someone says, Jedah/Zangief being 9:1 (Zangief deals TONS of damage, his screw driver is Samurai Spirit-ish) may not be as awful as Gedô/Mina. After all, that's what the character change system is for.

Jedah love : he has the decapitation as a normal move, and his 2 ES. and he has his usual air dash. He has everything you can ask, except (like the other Vampire characters) the comical burning frame (since the burning animation here is like in CvS2, the usual sprite in red with flames on it). His Finale Rosso (and Pharao's Naraku no ana) are turtling Guile killers. And with the kotodama gaeshi, I smelling a 9:1 for Anakaris/Guile matches. Yeay. For a reason (I don't know Zero much), Anakaris also seems like a Rose killer.
Ah, nobody says wether the Dark forces are here or not. I couldn't care less.
Jedah dominates the game so far (or maybe it's just because the guy using him is a famous Savior player and know his character?) followed by Anakaris and Demitri. I wouldn't want my favourite game to be bashed because they are too strong (being ugly is enough), so I hope (and I guess) they will be toned down before the next beta. Let's hope it doesn't lead to another Mizuki drama.

At the test, the vs computer game was only 5 matches, then game over, no boss. It has beautiful backgrounds, some characters (guess who?) looking weird on them. Characters in the background are strange, not moving ones are barely visible and moving ones are... well, anime GIFs.
The general speed is fast, stuns are easy, missing throw make your gauge grow (and while it rimes, I'm not sure it's exact).

A Guy player is having an orgasm because the bushinmusôren... ketsu ? (Not sure of how it reads) is even stronger than in Zero2 (I think it's his super throw?). The far strong kick is stronger and the slide has less lag.

Ugh, great news : the Vampire character don't freeze the screen (like in all the games when a character does a super combo, except Vampire) when they do their ES. TAMARANNNNNNNN !

Octopi report : quick dash. Jump is high and slow. Punch = trident attacks, half of the screen. Kick = tentacle attacks, need to be used to.
236P : raises a tornado (but since he is taller than the tornado, he is sashimi if jumped)
623K : rush head forward
63214K : turns into a ball and rush forward. It seems between 3rd Chunli's kick move and Shumagorath's ball move. useful.
214P.K：Lays egg from where baby octopies spawn and paralyze the opponent like baby Amingoes. the place where the egg appear changes with the button. Huge lag while laying.
236236P: thunder attack.
214214K:catches the opponent with his tentacles.
[maybe more moves ahead. He at least misses the energy drain]

With the 2 monsters and Anakaris in the game, even I begin to think it's a good thing they didn't waste a character spot with Dahlsim. (especially with the SF2 ism so far). And now that I think of it, Octopi occupies Mars People's place as the "let's make funny dôjin with Ingrid/loli Athena" character. Hmm, great choice, really.

Ingrid is very SNK-ish (and some Capcom fanboys already hate her).
6+middle punch : chûdan (overhead?)
6+middle kick : something like Leona's 6+ kick.
236+P Sunshoot. slow curved projectile, curve changing with the button.
236+K Sunrise : step forward then sommersault. weird.
in air 214+K : Sundive, falls down like Seth in 2000. fall route depends on the button.
623+P : Sun Upper, maybe a counter move
623+K : Sun Lower, same thing, but low.
236236+P : Sun burst, LV1SA. An energy ball that flies forward and explodes on contact.
214214+K : Sunshine, LV2SA. goes forward with many kicks, then finishes with a sommersault. Except for the finish, it looks like Zaki's super.
LV3SA : Sun Octopus, hundreds of baby octopus come out of nowhere and rape her repetadly.
Ugh, no, wait, I'm not sure of the last one.
Anyway, either she has hidden techniques nobody had the time to discover because of Jedah, or she is amongst the weakest characters of the game. Her normal moves are weak, and only one or two of her special are usable... Well, like at the CFA☆ beta, many consider her as a boring character (but at least this time, she's the only one to be boring). But since she hasn't been added to be played with, I'll let the perverts draw their dôjin and stick with, for example, some Zangi love :
the sprites and most of his moves are Zero3-ish. The Screw swallows quite widely, and takes about 1/4th of the life. He doesn't seems to have the larriat (Ugh?) Final Atomic Buster takes 60% of the life. his other super is a ranbu (UGH????). The burning uses the SF2 command. He has too many natural enemies ; so far, it's ザ・Russia (simple 1500 series).

for 3rd characters : the gauge being like in the DC version when you put all the SA, it's quite long, especially for the Aegis Reflector.

Someone reports the warzard characters are actually like this : as the gauge raises, they gain up to 3 gems, that can be used to do mystic breaks or to level up (both middle buttons). He says the level up only makes your character stronger, no new moves (?), and can be done without any limitation (maybe 9 times?) BUT it is comes back to 1 at the end of the round (noooooo!). The Ultimate guard and counter are like in Warzard, almost useless, but don't use any gem.

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"Re(2):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 01

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The jikan okiagari (delayed wake up?) is quite long, and it's used to prevent Anakaris to do his naraku no ana all day.

Judging by the select screen, someone says there should be 2 more characters by game (if only !)

Yun's moves seem to be like in 3rd, not CvS2. He doesn't seem to be able to summon Yang.
The original combo seem to be just a free cancel, not a bunshin like in Zero (to make it different to Yun's geneijin?)
Most of the super combos of the Zero characters are level 1, but they seem to have a long invincibility window.

To sum up everything and dream about more characters (if only) :

SF2 : Ryû/Guile/Vega/Zangief
Maybe : Blanka Balrog Gôki (Gôki is in the game, the question being wether a playable character or not, and if he will be SF2-groove)
Background : Cammy Ken T Hawk Honda Sagat Dahsilm DJ Fei Long Bison (drawings)

SFZero : Guy Sakura Rose Karin
Maybe : Gen R.Mika Rolento J&J
Background : Cody Nash Dan Birdie Adon Eagle Maki Sodom (drawing)

SF3 : Chunli Yun Alex Urien
Maybe : Remy 12 Dudley (no boxers so far, so I'll bet at least on him) Oro Elena Necro Gill
Background : Hugo Sean Makoto Ibuki Yang Q (shadow on a wall)

Warzard : Leo Hauzer Mukuro Null
Maybe : Tao Tabasa kongo (sp?) Blade (by what happenned so far, if we get 6 characters by games, we will have one more player character and one more monster, my bets being on Tao and Blade)
Background : Gigi, Sekmet, Ruan, Vactor. And no, I don't know how to write any of the monsters names. Shut up now.

Vampire : Demitri Felicia Jedah Anakaris
Maybe : Buletta Q Bee Lilith Victor Aulbath Donovan Phobos Pyron Sasquatch (if Q bee or Phobos are in the game, Zangief is even more dead than he already is. Victor wouldn't be a good choice with already 2 monsters being huge and long ranged).
Background : Gallon Zabel Leilei Bishamon Morrigan (drawing)

CFA☆ : Ingrid
Maybe : DD Rook

Ah, and a last thing : except the usual whiners who complain about mugen-copipe-etc, ALL the posts are about in game details. No one complains about the game being boring. It looks weird, Vampire characters look horrible, 3rd and Warzard characters lost too many frames, it miss this and that character, but, so far, IT'S FUN. This is not the return of CFA☆.

I'm going back to sleep now. Good night everyone. (in an alternate reality where "going back to sleep" means "looking forハウザーたんのエロ画像")

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"Re(2):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 01:50

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A Guy player is having an orgasm because the bushinmusôren... ketsu ? (Not sure of how it reads) is even stronger than in Zero2 (I think it's his super throw?). The far strong kick is stronger and the slide has less lag.

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IIRC, Guy's throw super (Bushin Musou Renge) has crap range AND priority for a throw super in Zero3. =/ Very easy to miss and get knocked out of it.

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"Re(3):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 02

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OK so here is some Warzard corection, so Iggy won't turn crazy anymore with names.

The Octopus is called " NOOL" and here is his Warzard move list in order for you to have a better idea, remeber that in CFJ those can differt:

Note Warzard Give no command imput since nool was a CPU character:

- trident pierce: a trident hit forward.
- trident upper: an upper slash with the trident
- artic stream: tornado projectile think
Joe Higashi.
- Vital sucker: a trident hit if it connect
Nool will drain some life.
- tadpole shot: make a string of "eggs" rise from the floor and small octopus to attack you.
Note: this have nothing to see with amingo's thingy. the egg string pops out like Mukai's pillar and from them 1,2 or 3 like octopus goes at you like a horizontal fire ball.
- venom blast: similar to yoga blast but
with venom.
- idol spinning: some kind of vertical
dragon punsh thing.
- notilus attack: psycho crucher like moves
very simmilar.
- tentacle trick: like twelve, make his
tentacle go in the ground and catch you
with them in a other place.
- hanging: throw tentacle far to catch you
and throw you away.
- strangle spark: similar to hanging but
shock you with energy.
- lightning master: Super move some rasing
Strom like thing made of lightning. Nool
is completely covered of them.

Hopes those will help Iggy and other peoples to see what nool is able to.

For the other name: here they are:

Human: Leo, Mukuro, Tabasa, Tao.
CPU: Hauzer, Sekmeto, Kongoh, Gigi, Nool, Luan, Blade, Valdoll.

As for the Level question, in warzard your score is like Exp point in a RPG, the more point you win and you level up. There is 32 level by characters and at some level you'll learn new moves, even a new super for each characters, and that need hours of play to raise someone to 32, some point to level up are needed even in VS mode that why Warzard has a Code saving system for player.
In CFJ I think that all your characters have all their moves and Lev up is just here for strengh.

So now, where are the hyper blurry cell phone pics????

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"Re(3):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05:06

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Great news! Thanks!

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The original combo seem to be just a free cancel, not a bunshin like in Zero (to make it different to Yun's geneijin?)
Most of the super combos of the Zero characters are level 1, but they seem to have a long invincibility window.

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I didn't understand this too well...

also, an important thing... can 3S characters Supercancel? If not, the already downtoned Aegis reflector becomes almost useless :/

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"Re(4):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05:35

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Red Earth/Warzard names:
Blade
Gigi
Hauzer
Hydron/Nool
Kenji/Mukuro
Kongou
Lavia/Luan
Leo
Mai Ling/Tao
Ravange/Secmeto
Tessa/Tabasa
Valdoll

About the new characters: Urien will make all my SF3 friends very happy, Zangief I couldn't care much less about, Karin is nice but this will be schoolgirl mania, Hydron/Nool is a wildcard so far, and Anakaris... blah. Last set of characters was more interesting. And with Demitri, Jedah and Anakaris in the game I'm pretty sure that they WON'T bother to draw all these extra comedy frames (MB, pumping, curse).

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"Re(2):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05:35

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Ingrid is very SNK-ish (and some Capcom fanboys already hate her).

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Which proves my theory: Capcom fanboys hate SNK!

...and Germans love David Hasselhof.

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"Re(4):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05:39

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HOLY FUCK ZANGIEF DOESN'T SUCK!!

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"Re(1):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 05

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"Re(2):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 06:27

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Waah! Thanks for all the information Iggy! I'm loving this roster and if the game itself is as fun as you make the early reports sound I'm going to have a great time with it.

Zangief questions: When you said he lost his lariet, does that mean he dropped one of the variations of it such as the quick version or is it gone altogether? Or were they referring to his suplex throw and they used the wrong term to describe it? A new super for the Crushin' Russian also sounds good but a ranbu? Does that mean, of all things, his PF super is back?

Also, thanks to Naruto for the full explanation of what sort of attack Nool has. Both him [Her? It? How do you tell the gender of a land based octopus anyway?] and Hauzer sound like they are going to be very interesting additions to the game.

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"CAPCOM RULES!" , posted Thu 8 Jul 06:43

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Wow! Three characters I never expected! Urien, Zangief, and Karin - All Fan Favorites, all unexpected! CAPCOM RULES!

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"Re(3):raising my post account" , posted Thu 8 Jul 06:47

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Good, that's what counts! I hope the final roster is a bit larger (after all, remember that during the CvS 2 beta test, a number of charas were locked... Rolento comes to mind) but I'm perfectly happy with Nool, Hauzer, and Jedah.

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"Re(2):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 06:52

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Holy shit. Anakaris is good (interesting character), but I don't play him. I don't know who the fuck Nool is (the octopus?). But Karin, Gief AND Urien?! Interest in game just shot up 300%! AEGIS REFLECTOR (reads more: Aegis got toned down; booo). And Gief vs. Alex at last!

All we need now is Hugo for some 3-way grappler man-love. ^_^ (UNlikely though, since Hugo's already been spotted in the background).

AND there's room for 1-2 more characters? Excellent. 2 more characters per side about bump the character cast up to 31 (6x5 + 1 for the mathematically impaired, since INgrid seems to be by her lonesome, judging by the way the character select screen is arranged). That would be... an acceptable start for a potential series.

SF3 characters get to parry. Bleh. At least DS chains, EX and ES specials will keep the SF3 characters in check.

So we got V-Karin and V-Sakura back. Makes sense I guess. But I question V-Guy and V-Rose (though Iggy says they apparently can do supers; L1 only a la CvS2 A-Groove I suspect, but how come Guy gets his Level 3 grab?).

Throws are 3rd Strike style (LP+LK). Not too crazy about that, but as long as they retain 3S priority it should be good. But they could stand to do a little more damage and definitely need more range. On the other hand, it's very likely we'll be able to kara-throw again, which would be a good thing.

re: Ingrd

Yup. It's CFAS Ingrid alright. I don't know if they can make such a dull design interesting without making her broken, but we'll see.

From Iggy:

> No one complains about the game being boring. It looks weird, Vampire characters look horrible, 3rd and Warzard characters lost too many frames, it miss this and that character, but, so far, IT'S FUN. This is not the return of CFA☆.

CFJ - 1, CFAS - 0. LOL!

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"Re(3):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 07:04

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Sweet. I was hoping for Urien,and he's here! WOooT! This is gonna be awesome! And I prefer Karin over Sakura anyday!

Which brings up something,I wonder if there will be special intros between any of them?

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"Re(4):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 07:47

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Wow, it sounds like good news on the whole, especially the part about the game being fun.

But I agree with whoever said that the new batch of characters isn't as exciting as the last one. I am most pleased with Karin out of this group, and I was already pretty certain that she'd be in the game (since they had her character art in one of the early ads). But the octopus does peak my interest.

However, no news is better than the fact that there may be room for 2 more characters from each game (even if it is sketchy/possible speculation). But it makes me wonder how they can test ten more characters before the game is released in a few months.

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"Re(4):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08:02

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Wow, the Vampire characters are too strong and the SF3 characters are too weak. Who would've expected that? /sarcasm

*sigh* Don't mind me. I'm just bitter after reading that Ingrid is boring and plays like an SNK character.

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"The name is Nool" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08:08

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Awesome reports Iggy!

Here is Capcom old but still up Warzard site so that you can see pics and names and profiles :

http://ns.capcom.co.jp/himitsu/wz/wz_index.html

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"Re(5):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08:17

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> Wow, the Vampire characters are too strong and the SF3 characters are too weak. Who would've expected that? /sarcasm

You mean the *SF2* characters are too weak, right? Alex might have some trouble, but I think Guile and Zangief are going to get royally screwed in this game.

> *sigh* Don't mind me. I'm just bitter after reading that Ingrid is boring and plays like an SNK character.

Dunno about the SNK character bit, but it was obvious from her CFAS moveslist (which seems to have only been slightly altered in CFJ) that she was going to be a boring character.

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""Punish!"" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08:50

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Urien AND Karin? Sweet!

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"Re(5):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 08

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UUUAARGH !!!! What a shitty bunch of "new" characters !! What are these Capcom guys thinking about? What's the point in adding Zangief instead of Haggar, for instance? They rescued him for CFAS, and the only thing they should have done is slightly retouching Zangi's sprite. The hairy russian is clearly overused, I think it's time for Capcom to retire him and give way to new characters with similar characteristics such as Hugo, Alex or the former Mayor of Metro City...

And not to mention the damned Anakaris... he even lacks of standard grapples/throws !!! The mummy doesn't jump, he floats around the screen in such a useless and annoying way that just recalling it makes me puke ...
I never thought such a shame of a character would be included in CFJ. I really hoped for Donovan being the logical representative character from Vampire Hunter, since the other two main characters of the series were already included (Demitri from Vampire and Jedah from Vampire Savior) but nope, the chosen one is Anakaris... once again !!!!

And what about Nool? Well, is a great addition since is a practically new character and no one has ever played as it (since all Warzard monsters were controlled by the CPU) but... what about Tao and Tabasa? Wouldn't be better to have the complete Roster of Warzard heroes instead of another big ugly thing with tentacles?

Well, that's only my point of view (a very frustrated one), I understand some people would love to see al this "Hairy Russian vs Scottex Mummy" stuff, but I just don't get it...

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"Re(6):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 09:42

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UUUAARGH !!!! What a shitty bunch of "new" characters !! What are these Capcom guys thinking about? What's the point in adding Zangief instead of Haggar, for instance? They rescued him for CFAS, and the only thing they should have done is slightly retouching Zangi's sprite. The hairy russian is clearly overused, I think it's time for Capcom to retire him and give way to new characters with similar characteristics such as Hugo, Alex or the former Mayor of Metro City...

And not to mention the damned Anakaris... he even lacks of standard grapples/throws !!! The mummy doesn't jump, he floats around the screen in such a useless and annoying way that just recalling it makes me puke ...
I never thought such a shame of a character would be included in CFJ. I really hoped for Donovan being the logical representative character from Vampire Hunter, since the other two main characters of the series were already included (Demitri from Vampire and Jedah from Vampire Savior) but nope, the chosen one is Anakaris... once again !!!!

And what about Nool? Well, is a great addition since is a practically new character and no one has ever played as it (since all Warzard monsters were controlled by the CPU) but... what about Tao and Tabasa? Wouldn't be better to have the complete Roster of Warzard heroes instead of another big ugly thing with tentacles?

Well, that's only my point of view (a very frustrated one), I understand some people would love to see al this "Hairy Russian vs Scottex Mummy" stuff, but I just don't get it...

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"Re(6):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 09:49

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Mmmmmm.... sounds good to me so far. It sounds like the game looks a bit strange, but I am hearing the gameplay is fun, and I like fun gameplay ^_^ Karin and Jedah in the same game equals goodness for me. Also, I like the overall list. They have some of their staple characters in the game, but they are also throwing it in with some of the other characters that don't get their chance enough. Sounds good so far! Now, just some polish on the balance issue, and a few other general polishings, and I'll be buying it.

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"CAPCOM RULES!" , posted Thu 8 Jul 10:36

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As far as Donovan is concerned, even though the game is called 'Vampire Hunter' storyline-wise he is not the main character of the game, Demitri is. Storyline-wise Vampire Hunter replaces Vampire, like how SF3 Second Impact replaces New Generation and how SFZ2 replaces SFZ1 storyline-wise. In Vampire Hunter, Demitri still defeats Pyron. Demitri is still the Game's Main Character. Think of this like how Hugo is not the main character of 'SF3 Second Impact GIANT ATTACK.' Capcom hasn't said what happened to Donovan in VH, but there's a good chance Demitri kicked his Ass. Even Donovan's own ending doesn't bode good things for him, oooh...

I wonder if Capcom would include Donovan in CFJ. With Anita appearing with him and Rose in the Game, perhaps people who still think Anita and Rose are the same person will commit suicide or something...

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"Re(6):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 10

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OK, the tension has calmed a little and people come back to their winny selves. Don't take what follows too seriously.

Strongest characters : Ryû, then the whole Vampire cast, lead by Anakaris. The Vampires are nearly unchanged since their game, except the guard cancel which has been toned down, but since it doesn't concern Anakaris, he levelups from weak to strongest. History repeats itself. Jedah and Anakaris are especially blessed when they fight a character with no air guard, something they were not supposed to do when they were created.
Guile is quite strong. No one use the Zero characters, since there's no meaning in practicing original combos on a beta version. SF3 characters seem to have been royally screwed system-wise, and they seem to be quite different from their original selves (=need to re-learn them). Urien is really strong, the others are... ugh. Karin seems to have been toned down a bit also.
Since nobody is used to them, very few people use the Warzard cast, which may be a problem given how strong they seem when used well. Good luck to balance all this, Capcom...

For what it's worth, the select screen is like this :

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□ = character
【　】 = Ingrid (she takes the place of 2 characters, maybe it means we will have someone else to pair her up with, DD?)

Up left : SF2, up : SF3, up right : Vamp, down left = Zero, down right = Warzard. No random.

■ show the logo of each game. They are ugly and shouldn't be there. They are too ugly to have been placed there by someone in his right state of mind, so everybody want to think they are hidding 2 spots for more characters.

And the next one here to insult Anakaris will be flamed until he is drowned in my urine. There are some things that can't be allowed between people of good extraction. And remember, Anakaris was not in MvC2, it was an actually Retsu in a costume.

EDIT : Donovan sucks Zangief's balls.

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"Re(7):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 10:54

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Guile is strong?? You mean his Sonic Boom no longer does like a Pixel of Damage?? Good news!

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"Re(7):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 11:21

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Any comments about the voices or music?

Heh heh.. it would be amusing if both Phobos and Gigi turned out to be in it.

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"Re(1):CAPCOM RULES!" , posted Thu 8 Jul 11:42

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As far as Donovan is concerned, even though the game is called 'Vampire Hunter' storyline-wise he is not the main character of the game, Demitri is. Storyline-wise Vampire Hunter replaces Vampire, like how SF3 Second Impact replaces New Generation and how SFZ2 replaces SFZ1 storyline-wise. In Vampire Hunter, Demitri still defeats Pyron. Demitri is still the Game's Main Character. Think of this like how Hugo is not the main character of 'SF3 Second Impact GIANT ATTACK.' Capcom hasn't said what happened to Donovan in VH, but there's a good chance Demitri kicked his Ass. Even Donovan's own ending doesn't bode good things for him, oooh...
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Yup, you are right. I already knew the canon storyline but you know, Donovan and Lei-Lei were the main additions to this sequel, so I think at least one of them should represent this chapter of the series... Besides the game is called Vampire Hunter, and I just can't imagine Demitri hunting his fellas or something like that so I think the title should refer to Donovan...

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I wonder if Capcom would include Donovan in CFJ. With Anita appearing with him and Rose in the Game, perhaps people who still think Anita and Rose are the same person will commit suicide or something...

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XDDDD Yeah, their designs are pretty similar (you know, full-grown Anita's costumes highly resembles Lisa Lisa's Rose's)and both of them posses an aura, so IMO it's natural that people should get confused if they don't know the character's names.

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"Re(8):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 11:56

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Heh heh.. it would be amusing if both Phobos and Gigi turned out to be in it.

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Phobos is a possibility, as gigi he's already in a background.

So far the game doesn't look that bad unlike some huge moron at SNK-capcom.com seems to think.
Balance will be IMO the major problem Capcom should think of, for characters I'm sure some other will fallow....

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"Re(7):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 12:04

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EDIT : Donovan sucks Zangief's balls.

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But Donovan makes bukkake sessions in Zangief's almost bald cranium (as a friend of mine told me before "Zangief le mange le penis a Donovan" ).What a pair of whores XDDD

At least with Anakaris near them they wouldn't need toilet paper to clean themselves up... XDDDDD

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"Re(9):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 12:35

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Phobos is a possibility, as gigi he's already in a background.
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Phobos as a strong air game, and he has a lot of beams...
The Vampire cast sure is a problem. Q bee is even worse than Jedah in the air, Phobos and Donovan would eat anyone without an air guard, Sasquatch would be nice but he's über strong in every game he was, and if the Vampire cast is faster than the rest, he will be a nightmare...
That leaves us with Pyron, either weak and uninteresting or strong and uninteresting, Aulbath, possible since we don't have a lot of tamechara beside Guile and Vega, Buletta, always a strong choice but she has already been in 2 games outside Savior, or Lilith, either THE character to pick or another hadô-shôryû character depending on wether they leave the puppet show or not...
Hummm.

Oh, and the MB is confirmed to be in the game, it's just that they didn't finish the sprites. There must be barely two 2D artists left at Capcom...

EX moves take 1/2 of a bar to 3rd strike characters, which is half the cost for a Vampire character but still too much in my opinion considering the length of the bar.
Anakaris's Naraku no Ana takes 2 gauges to do, but I don't think his supers are what make him as strong as he is...
And while the Ôke no sabaki is fast and reliable so far, HE TURNS EVERYONE INTO THE SAME MvC2 PUPPET.
My good opinion on the game might change very quickly.

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"Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 12:47

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I'm really happy with this cast... especially Karin. Speaking of beta tests... today is the test for the new Atomiswave fighter Kenju, I'm really looking forward to hearing about it.

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After reading all this juicy info I'm planning on getting a japanese or US PS2 when it comes out. Or should I get an Xbox?

I stuck all the info on my front page news. =)

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"Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:10

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Hayato : you and your friend are disgusting.

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Yeah, people say that very often, especially to my friend (what can you expect from a Heihachi Mishima fan?).But don't worry, we are used to those kind of statements ;)

Nyo ho ho !!!!

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"Re(2)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:28

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Yeah, people say that very often, especially to my friend (what can you expect from a Heihachi Mishima fan?).But don't worry, we are used to those kind of statements ;)
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Does it mean you are the one bukkaking on your friend's head ?

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
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"Re(3)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:35

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Well I really wished if Donovan was there!! Anyway thanks for the news, its good to know that another DS character is there but I didnt wish to see Anakaris, even though I respect the people who likes this character ^^

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"Re(3)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:48

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Yeah, people say that very often, especially to my friend (what can you expect from a Heihachi Mishima fan?).But don't worry, we are used to those kind of statements ;)
Does it mean you are the one bukkaking on your friend's head ?

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XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

No dear, my friend only bukkakes on pet avatars and I use Anakaris as Toilet Paper. Besides of that, there are no similitudes between reality and what you have suggested in your previous post. But reading you is always funny XDD

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"Re(4)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 13:51

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Great to know that MBs will be in the game!

But with Anakaris' transformation, how would that work outside of DS exactly, would he turn all of the SFers into Babies? Wouldn't it get boring fast? Or would it be like that JoJo transformation where everyone becomes a kid? Personally I'd much rather have Midnight Blisses. I just think Anakaris' Transformation works better in DS.

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"Re(5)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 14:24

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But with Anakaris' transformation, how would that work outside of DS exactly, would he turn all of the SFers into Babies? Wouldn't it get boring fast? Or would it be like that JoJo transformation where everyone becomes a kid? Personally I'd much rather have Midnight Blisses. I just think Anakaris' Transformation works better in DS.

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"Re(6)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 14:34

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Don't be sensitive, man! I like Anakaris too, I'm you're friend! ^_^

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"Re(7)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 14:42

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Don't be sensitive, man! I like Anakaris too, I'm you're friend! ^_^

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"Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 14:50

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There must be barely two 2D artists left at Capcom...

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all the 2D artists are working on 3D games
(just look at the credits for DMC 2 , giogio, automodellista, monster hunter, gundam, outbreak, gotcha force)

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"Re(7):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 15:19

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For what it's worth, the select screen is like this :

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It has become obvious from the shape of this select screen taht the secret character who shares the center spot with Ingrid is either Mars People or a giant penis.

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moonslash
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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 15:49

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That leaves us with Pyron, either weak and uninteresting or strong and uninteresting, Aulbath, possible since we don't have a lot of tamechara beside Guile and Vega, Buletta, always a strong choice but she has already been in 2 games outside Savior, or Lilith

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bulleta is in the DS Background....you have to look closely though b/c in most of the screenshots shes covered but shes in the middle of the stage...

as for the next DS characters, i was really caught off guard with the selection of anakaris so any one else is my guess...

i think Vega(Balrog) might make it....

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No you are not, I shall send Mack the Knife to cut you good.

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Sure I argue with Iggy ALL OF THE TIME but I still consider him a friend. We may not see eye to eye on everything but hey, he did create this Thread.

And I like Anakaris, I like almost every Capcom Character. That's how Fanboys roll.

So what, I'll get Mac Tonight from the old McDonald's Commercials to back me up. Once he pokes out Mack the Knife's Eye out with his Cresent Shape Head me and him will go get some free French Fries at Micky Dee's.

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"Re(9)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 17:21

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No you are not, I shall send Mack the Knife to cut you good.

Sure I argue with Iggy ALL OF THE TIME but I still consider him a friend. We may not see eye to eye on everything but hey, he did create this Thread.

And I like Anakaris, I like almost every Capcom Character. That's how Fanboys roll.

So what, I'll get Mac Tonight from the old McDonald's Commercials to back me up. Once he pokes out Mack the Knife's Eye out with his Cresent Shape Head me and him will go get some free French Fries at Micky Dee's.

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Ok, So I'll just get him to team up with the Hamburglar: King of the Fist!

He shall donkey punch the holy fry grease out of Mac Tonight.

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"Re(10)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 17:58

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When I first heard Mack the Knife (the original), I LOLed when I realized what the song was about.

Don't worry, Sano. I will be your frieeeeeeeeeeend =3

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"Re(10)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 18

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Ok, So I'll just get him to team up with the Hamburglar: King of the Fist!

He shall donkey punch the holy fry grease out of Mac Tonight.

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If you get the Hamburglar I will get Cedric the Entertainer and they will settle the beef(bad pun intended) between the two that started in a commercial last year. If you forgot what the Argument was about, let me refresh your memory.

CEDRIC: The New Big and Tasty! Grimus, you did your thing Dog! Well, you're not actually a Dog, you're more like a big Purple, I don't know what you are.
GRIMUS: ....
HAMBURGALUR: Grubble! Grubble! Grubble!
CEDRIC: (To Hamburgalur) WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT MY MOMMA!!!!

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"Re(2)Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 22:05

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When I first heard Mack the Knife (the original), I LOLed when I realized what the song was about.

Don't worry, Sano. I will be your frieeeeeeeeeeend =3

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I would hate to point this out on this site of all places, but of course Mack the Knife is the Mummy Commando from the Capcom game Captain Commando.

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"Re(3)Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 8 Jul 22

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I would hate to point this out on this site of all places, but of course Mack the Knife is the Mummy Commando from the Capcom game Captain Commando.

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Actually, Mack the Knife is many people, including Mackie Messer from "A Three Penny Opera" (the original Mack the Knife?) AND the Mummy from Captain Commando.. ;D
The moon-headed "Three Finger Mickey" mascot was, of course, a parody on the name, as Sano obviously realized. :D

Edit: Stab stabbity stab!

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"Re(4)Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 01:31

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Actually, Mack the Knife is many people, including Mackie Messer from "A Three Penny Opera" (the original Mack the Knife?) AND the Mummy from Captain Commando.. ;D
The moon-headed "Three Finger Mickey" mascot was, of course, a parody on the name, as Sano obviously realized. :D

Edit: Stab stabbity stab!

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And If I'm right this wierd name comes from the US version since in Japanese he's called Jehuty.

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"still raising my post account" , posted Fri 9 Jul 03

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Ingrid : A boring and weak crappy character OR a crappy character who wears a miniskirt and doesn't even show her panties. Either way, let's forget her.

Ryû : the Hadoûken is too strong, huge invincibility on the shôryûken.

Guile : having a system with a big attack bonus blesses him.

Zangi : extremely strong, but toast against Vampires and Warzards.

Nobody uses Vega, so he remains a mystery. He does seem to have his CvS2 moves (warp and all).

Zangi HAS the Aerial Russian something. Pheeew...

Rose : not changed a lot since Zero 3. She may not have her air throw. 2+strong punch = reliable antiair, but not easy to combo after. Supercombo : Aura soul spark and aura soul throw, both level 1 but with a fair invincibility window so useful. The AS throw is an excellent weapon against Jedah. And she still gets Miyamu bonus points.

Leo : low jump, so you need a good timing to jump a projectile. Not a lot of quick moves, so you have to rely on his range. 412P makes him use a weapon, each button being a different weapon. May need some training.

Hauzer : easy to use. Very strong against characters without projectile (Zangi, Karin, even Ingrid since hers is so slow) but facing a lot of problems against Ryû, Guile or Anakaris. The more I read about the game the more I see the "psychological dimension" of the 2P team. Except it appears more like a jankenpon-fighting game.

Yun : he really fights like in 3rd strike EXCEPT he doesn't have the Geneijin. Maybe it's not yet in the game, but there was no way to do it. NOTE : so far the 3rd characters have 2 supers, not 3. I don't know the name of his moves so I don't get crap, but the player is pleased with the current state of the character (well, except the geneijin). He even says he can have a fair match against Ryû. (but not the Vamp).

Sakura : weaken. Her original combo deals around 30% damage, but maybe she just needs to be relearned.

Guy : Not only is he like in Zero 3 but since he is in V Ism, he can't use his level 3 super combo. Crap character. So the guy who talked about his super throw = intox ?

Demitri's normal/ES/Guard cancel Demon cradle never have any invincibility. His normals are short ranged (there's a reason why he became taller in SvC). The Midnight Plesure is like in Hunter, it's strong, but overall, he's the weakest of his game.

Jedah : loses a little, gains on other moves, overall the same. Still suffer from not having a decent antiair, but against someone not used to Vampire, he's a sure winner.

Anakaris benefits heavily of being in a game where you can stun your opponent easily. Against character with a bad mobility, using only low punch and the coffins is nearly enough to win.So far, stronguest character. We know how it'll end.

There is no dialogue before or after the matches between characters, but it may (should) be because it's still a beta. Only 3 winning quotes is NOT possible. And only 2 colors by characters...

Chunli has been toned down since 3rd, her SA2 doesn't combo as much. But maybe you just have to make a kikôchô instead, and everything will be alright. Her normals are still her best weapon.

SF3 characters can't use blocking at all against Vampires. Vamp can chain combo all day without fear of a guard cancel, while the SF3 must predict the whole sequence of 3-6 moves before even dreaming of a counter attack. And since the blocking is like in P Groove, the game doesn't freezes, so the Vamp won't risk to loose the timing of their chain combo. If only it had the red blocking...

I really have the feeling the decision to make the game was taken by someone who didn't know the original games and barely played CvS2. The reason why Savior has such a perfect balance even though all the characters have so many offensive possibilities is because the defensive actions where perfectly balanced to counter them, without turning the game in a turtling fest. Savior without advanced guard or Guard cancel would have been quite different, and now Savior characters get to fight characters that don't even have an air guard... Ugh.
Same thing for 3rd strike. The systems where interesting because everyone had the same defensive possibilities, and the characters where created to match those. I really wonder what's going to happen...
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No, OK, I'm just crancky because of Anakaris's Sabaki.

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わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。
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TeirusuCSS
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"Re(3)Re(10):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 07

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When I first heard Mack the Knife (the original), I LOLed when I realized what the song was about.

Don't worry, Sano. I will be your frieeeeeeeeeeend =3

I would hate to point this out on this site of all places, but of course Mack the Knife is the Mummy Commando from the Capcom game Captain Commando.

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My stupid. I didn't bother to check much into Captain Commando. Between you and me, I think he's a d**k.

Also, in MarioRPG there's a knife dude named Mack.

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"beelzebubble´s CFJ report" , posted Fri 9 Jul 07:41

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This one comes from someone (beelzebubble - he´s done reports on a few fightyers before) that actually went to the test.

impressions after about an hour and a half and 2 or 3 games.

preface:
im not a fan boy of any particular company.

general impressions:
its fun and i like the simpler system (no real guard crush, no rolls), the speed is also to my liking. but as a piece of work by a company it looks like effort levels are super low. bgs are terrible, they rank lower than the neowave ones which i didnt really think was possible, not only are they almost static but where there is movement its pathetic (see djay, cammy, ken and birdie looking like tacked on pics with only sean moving one arm up and down) the bgs dont seem to be 3d but more like layers of high rez pixelated ugh... game is choppy with slowdown when you come to blows with hauzer.. seems pretty framey.

- thailand bg is hideous imo
- about 10 ppl at the loke test...
- cvs style graphics aka high res with pixelated sprites (alex looks the worst from what i saw)
- mukuro looks cool with a ken style spinning kick, a ninja knife projectile, a multi projectile super, a teleport and drop which is cool, lots of chain use and a cool dash.
- jedah also looks very cool but i imagine he hasnt changed much in terms of moveset or look from ds.
- hauzers breath super seems to do no chip damage.
- hauzers sprite is incredibly hard to judge, whether you are hitting front or back and how far it is range wise to where you can land a hit on him when poking is veryhard to tell.
- there seemed to be some sort of defensive roll ala kof (ab when blocking) that belonged to which system im not sure.
- lots of urien and ryu players. ryu is solid and boring, urien a fiend with his wall super, just overhead/low/standing mix up till you hit then bounce them between hits and the wall for very quick stuns, ouch and sorta cheezy.
- hongkong bg is ugh
- hit sparks are cvs2 style exaggerated ones.. i dont really dig them.
- throw whiffing builds bar real quick.
- nool is sorta cool and at this point really strong, hes a poking king with no less than three nice mid-long standing pokes, a normal standing aa and great recovery on his flying charge, dp and fireball, you can just sitback, mix up fbs and pokes and aa a jumper for an easy keepaway game, saw a guy do this against zang for a perfect. his what seems to be s.LP is awesomely abuseable.
- hauzer has almost zero recovery on his charge move (see charge->c.LP for a nice rush down pattern)
- ingrid is super easy to use and fun, shes like a dummied down athena, her fbs are amazing arcing like a rimururu ice ball, the heavy goes the whole screen arcing near the opposite side, the light about half the screen to fall at the feet of the opponent and the mid in the middle of the two, her normals (especially j.HP, s.HP and c.HP are great for using when you jump in or dash after a fb) are good and shes basically a zoning monster who seems to have nice air priority.
- ryu, nool, urien and ingrid seem powerful at this early stage
- 21 chars (4 per system, sf2, sfalpha, warzard, sf3 and ds) + ingrid.
- the sprites are not touched up to look similar style (see leo vs zangief shading, colouring and black edges) looks pretty ugly.

ill play it im sure, the system seems pretty cool but the graphics are ugly and the game seems choppy and framey at this point. ill go again sunday with a m8 for more impressions.

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"Re(1):beelzebubble´s CFJ report" , posted Fri 9 Jul 09:18

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hmm... beez's impressions are different from 2chan's (and only 10 people at the loke test?? dammmn), but seeing how positive he was about SvC I find it hard to trust anything he says. Except the ugliness of the game; anyone could see that from teh screens.

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"Re(2):beelzebubble´s CFJ report" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:10

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Dammit it's hard to focus on reading your posts with that bouncy avatar of yours!!!

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"PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12

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Well, one actually. But a big one. With a lot of small ones in it

I like Zangi and Anakaris, but.. I understand the comments about Shinkirô's Urien now... (sugoikotoni...)

EDIT : I see the select screen, a new background (a forest?) and stupid, oh so stupid sentences all over... Cosmo ? What ?

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わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。
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"Re(1):still raising my post account" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12

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I really have the feeling the decision to make the game was taken by someone who didn't know the original games and barely played CvS2. The reason why Savior has such a perfect balance even though all the characters have so many offensive possibilities is because the defensive actions where perfectly balanced to counter them, without turning the game in a turtling fest. Savior without advanced guard or Guard cancel would have been quite different, and now Savior characters get to fight characters that don't even have an air guard... Ugh.
Same thing for 3rd strike. The systems where interesting because everyone had the same defensive possibilities, and the characters where created to match those. I really wonder what's going to happen...
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No, OK, I'm just crancky because of Anakaris's Sabaki.

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I'm slightly encouraged by some things I've heard, but it seems the game will end up being an embarrassing joke balance-wise unless they extend the development period and overhaul the whole thing.

I have to thank Iggy for his diligence and enthusiasm though. You're carrying the board, man.

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"I said "PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!"" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12

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I have to thank Iggy for his diligence and enthusiasm though. You're carrying the board, man.
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Maybe, but when I say "PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , I intend it to be heard.
I have my ego, you know.

EDIT : You're all mean with me.

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わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。
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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:35

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Well, one actually. But a big one. With a lot of small ones in it

I like Zangi and Anakaris, but.. I understand the comments about Shinkirô's Urien now... (sugoikotoni...)

EDIT : I see the select screen, a new background (a forest?) and stupid, oh so stupid sentences all over... Cosmo ? What ?

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thanx a lot iggy, yeah the select screen looks quite empty...seems like some more boxes can be added...maybe even some Ingrid sized boxes.....thanx again

i do would like to see that forest stage up close in high res just to check out if there are any cameos which is pretty much a very high possibilty

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"Re(1):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:38

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Well, one actually. But a big one. With a lot of small ones in it

I like Zangi and Anakaris, but.. I understand the comments about Shinkirô's Urien now... (sugoikotoni...)

EDIT : I see the select screen, a new background (a forest?) and stupid, oh so stupid sentences all over... Cosmo ? What ?
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Hmmm, now that I can actually see the character select screen, I think that the two extra characters from each game might just be wishful thinking (moreso, even). Also, there appears to only be room for one more new character alongside Ingrid unless they add a new row (her box has the same width as two columns).

P.S. I really like Anakaris's character art.

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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:40

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Well, one actually. But a big one. With a lot of small ones in it

I like Zangi and Anakaris, but.. I understand the comments about Shinkirô's Urien now... (sugoikotoni...)

EDIT : I see the select screen, a new background (a forest?) and stupid, oh so stupid sentences all over... Cosmo ? What ? Hmmm, now that I can actually see the character select screen, I think that the two extra characters from each game might just be wishful thinking (moreso, even). Also, there appears to only be room for one more new character alongside Ingrid unless they add a new row (her box has the same width as two columns).

P.S. I really like Anakaris's character art.

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unless just for the beta, ingrids box is big...but more boxes can fit for sure...i cant wait for more characters...

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"Re(2):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:40

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I wonder what Brandon means when he invites his readers to read my first two posts... Aren't all my posts interesting ?

AREN'T THEY ?

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"Re(2):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12:43

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Ke-yow, that Shinkiro art for the cover is straight out of 1997. If it wasn't for that swirly, cosmic background [a recent staple of his pics] I would think it was an old shot instead of a retro look for his art.

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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 12

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I wonder what Brandon means when he invites his readers to read my first two posts... Aren't all my posts interesting ?

AREN'T THEY ?

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hey iggy, is it just me or does it look like another stage at the bottom right of the pic you posted..its the first little pic at the bottom right...also it seems like the super finish like in ST in the 4th

oh yeah, i like Urien's artwork alot....

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"Re(2)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 13:09

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hey iggy, is it just me or does it look like another stage at the bottom right of the pic you posted..its the first little pic at the bottom right...also it seems like the super finish like in ST in the 4th

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Maybe CFJ will have game specific super finishes.

As far as I know Zero and ST have them.

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"Re(3)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 13:27

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Yeah after seeing the select screen I'm pretty convinced that there must be more characters that just aren't playable at the beta. With 2 more characters per game that means Tabassa and Tao are a given for Warzard.... either that... or the guy who made that select screen flunked out of design school.

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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 14:02

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Yeah after seeing the select screen I'm pretty convinced that there must be more characters that just aren't playable at the beta. With 2 more characters per game that means Tabassa and Tao are a given for Warzard.... either that... or the guy who made that select screen flunked out of design school.

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then how would of he got a job at Capcom?

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"Re(2)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 14:48

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then how would of he got a job at Capcom?

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Well he could be Funamizu's slightly deformed son... you never know. Anyway seems to me that's just a temporary select screen and we'll see more characters in the final.

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"Re(4)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 14:54

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With 2 more characters per game that means Tabassa and Tao are a given for Warzard....
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If you have followed the last few weeks, you have noticed we got 1 player character for 1 monster.
So if we get both Tao and Tabasa, it would mean we would get 2 monsters also (and, as a matter of fact, Kongo AND Blade are still available).
But 8 characters by game is far beyound what the game can offer. Besides, SF2 already has left than 4 characters left.

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"Re(5)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 15:14

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Nice pic. I sure wish we could get at least 1 more character per game, maybe as hidden? That is if Akuma will be in it, why not more?

Also, who knmows who the boss might be.

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"Re(6)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 20:14

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Thanks for the info, Iggy. Doesn't seem that this game will be very balanced, but hopefully they will take some time to even things out. I just hope there's no extremely serious bugs that rear its ugly head in the final, like how roll-cancelling changed CvS2 dramatically.

Boy, Shinkiro's Vega looks weird.

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"Re(5)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 21:12

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If you have followed the last few weeks, you have noticed we got 1 player character for 1 monster.

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It doesn't necessarily mean the pattern will continue. (Besides, I'd probably have to see it happen 3 or 4 times before I considered it a pattern.) While I'm hoping at least Tabasa makes it, too, I have the creeping fear this is pretty much it. Oh well, I'll still play it and have fun with friends. ^^

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"Re(6)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Fri 9 Jul 21:27

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**Still patiently waiting for Victor**

**Actually.... Still patiently waiting for LIVE enabled versions of Zero 3 and Vampire Savior**

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"Re(7)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Sat 10 Jul 07:45

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Oooo,Karin's art is soo beautiful. Yeah! You now,Shinkiro actually did a good job on the Darkstalkers characters. Felicia's is probably the best of the lot.

And I spy a new background,looks like a Brazil one. It's that jungle one.

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"Re(3):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 12:33

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Too much Vampire talk, I plugged my DC back to taste once again that fabulous (while not perfect) game that is Chronicle.
And definitely, even before parries or zero counters or guard cancels, the fact some characters miss the basic air guard worries me a LOT.
Jedah : stay on the ground =>Finale Rosso. Jump, and you have to be better than Jedah in the air (and some character in Savior can do it) or be very cautious (= use the air guard when you can't do anything else).
Anakaris : a jump = coffin drop.

And I'm afraid the only solution to balance the game is to nutter some moves. Like, giving the Finale Rosso and the coffins some lag before they get effective. In other words, make them useless. In again other words, make Jedah and Anakaris less fun to play.

Ughhhhhhh..... I wouldn't want to be one of the guys working on CFJ...

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"Re(4):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 12:48

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Too much Vampire talk,
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question: do Vampire characters get advancing guard? I hope they don't, because that would seriously screw things up against characters that don't.

I hope charge times are quick for the SF2 folks, they're gonna need it...

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"Re(5):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 13:13

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quote do Vampire characters get advancing guard? I hope they don't, because that would seriously screw things up against characters that don't.
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Laugh : at least the first day of the test, they had it, and their guard cancels also, and neither used any bar.

So far, the only big disavantage I see is the nerfed damage and the fact they can only store up to 3 gauge. OH NO !

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"Re(6):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 13:37

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question: do Vampire characters get advancing guard? I hope they don't, because that would seriously screw things up against characters that don't.
Laugh : at least the first day of the test, they had it, and their guard cancels also, and neither used any bar.

So far, the only big disavantage I see is the nerfed damage and the fact they can only store up to 3 gauge. OH NO !

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Or they could pull a Blizzard and just make everyone else better.

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So...how about those...things....

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"hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 13:48

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Link Here

The final game will officially have some characters and system we haven't seen yet at the beta test.
It doesn't mean "you'll get 2 more characters per game and perfect balance", but that's close enough for me.

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"Re(1):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 14:15

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Let the speculation about the remaining characters begin!

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"Re(2):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 14:33

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Also let the speculation on the other game that this new system will represent... Cyberbots all the way!

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"Re(3):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 14:51

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Also let the speculation on the other game that this new system will represent... Cyberbots all the way!
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Wowowowowowowow.
It's "new system" as in "this and that character will get air guard". At best "3rd strike will have red parries", "Vampire characters won't have guard cancels anymore", "Vampire character will be nerfed so they all suck".
This kind of systems.

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"Re(4):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 15:46

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Also let the speculation on the other game that this new system will represent... Cyberbots all the way!
Wowowowowowowow.
It's "new system" as in "this and that character will get air guard". At best "3rd strike will have red parries", "Vampire characters won't have guard cancels anymore", "Vampire character will be nerfed so they all suck".
This kind of systems.

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*blank stare* なるほど

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"Re(3):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 15:50

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HAW HAW. Ha ha ha, I have to admit, it would be downright.. bizarre to have the Super-8 fighting Ryu. :D

Super-8 vs. Nool!!

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"Re(4):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 16:02

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Ring of Destruction: Slammasters II ?

Jojo's Bizzare Adventure ?

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moonslash
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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Sat 10 Jul 17

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Ring of Destruction: Slammasters II ?

Jojo's Bizzare Adventure ?

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slammasters II...maybe

jojo's...not in a million years...capcom licensed that license to be made into a game...its not capcoms...its like putting magneto into the game

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"Re(5):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 18

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It's "new system" as in "this and that character will get air guard". At best "3rd strike will have red parries", "Vampire characters won't have guard cancels anymore", "Vampire character will be nerfed so they all suck".
This kind of systems.

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You do this 'killing stare thing' because sadly it's the most likely scenario.... Well, considering that Kurow Mirishima is my favourite Capcom character ever here's a toast for CFJ2 and PJ characters on it....

Netherless I'm already on the CFJ train, considering that I worship SF2 Zangief & Guile, like the DS, SFIII & SFZ characters so far and I haven't played Warzard XD

I'll play this game even if it's unbalanced and it's like some crappy SvC Chaos 2 ;P

.... Netherless, I still feel like this will be an OK game.

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"Re(5):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 21:09

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Ring of Destruction: Slammasters II ?

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Spoiler (Highlight to view) -

Haggar WILL be in the game... but he's going to be a Zangief clone.

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Jojo's Bizzare Adventure ?

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"Re(4):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 21:10

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Cyberbots all the way!
HAW HAW. Ha ha ha, I have to admit, it would be downright.. bizarre to have the Super-8 fighting Ryu. :D

Super-8 vs. Nool!!

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And what's-her-face would be piloting Nool.

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"Re(7):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 21:40

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THANK YOU VEWWY MUCH. That is what more fighting game makers need to be saying to themselves. If it's not an infinite or some ridiculous unblockable BS (Mist Trap, Tokido), leave it and give other characters something extra, if not a direct counter, something useful. Actually, one of the best and simplest things to do is just give the low damaging characters something stronger. Twelve, for instance, would be perfectly non-Chikyuu viable if he just had some good way to hit you for more than a 1/5 of your life at a time without using a full meter gauge.

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"Re(8):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sat 10 Jul 22:07

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Or they could pull a Blizzard and just make everyone else better.

THANK YOU VEWWY MUCH. That is what more fighting game makers need to be saying to themselves. If it's not an infinite or some ridiculous unblockable BS (Mist Trap, Tokido), leave it and give other characters something extra, if not a direct counter, something useful. Actually, one of the best and simplest things to do is just give the low damaging characters something stronger. Twelve, for instance, would be perfectly non-Chikyuu viable if he just had some good way to hit you for more than a 1/5 of your life at a time without using a full meter gauge.

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Sorry, only the EFZ people are allowed to do that.

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"Re(5):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 22:16

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Sadly no to the Muscle Bomber/Slam Masters cast, since they aren't Capcom's. The only character in those games that is Capcom's is Mike Haggar, all the other characters are the property of Tetsuo Hara. So just like JoJo or the Marvel characters, don't hold your breath.

Too bad though, because Scorp/Astro is godlike.

XD

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"Re(6):hope" , posted Sat 10 Jul 22:38

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This game will be horribly unbalanced for sure. The real issue is which characters will be the winners and who will be the losers.

I do not want this game to end up nothing but pharoah vs octopus matches and the occasional t-rex. To be good, it must be school girl 1 and school girl 2 vs moe girl and the shoto. Or Dante. Or perhaps the moe school girl version of Dante who is plays like a shoto clone.

BTW where is Dante???

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"Re(7):hope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 02:33

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What I hate in the Jojo game is that, even though it was a license game, there where more original characters in it than in any fighting game done afterwards. I mean, it was a license, nobody would have frowned if Avdol had been the Ryu clone, Polnareff a Guile or Blanka clone, Joseph a Zangief clone, Vanilla Ice the Vega clone, etc etc.
But no. They put incredibly original characters like Hol Horse, Pet Shop, Chaka, etc... And no one of those will ever come back. Now all they have to do is to make a new fighter, a new Vampire for example, with characters that slightly ressemble to them with the same moves. Or even completely different designs, they can have a pretty little girl with Alessy's moves if they want. ALL I WANT IS TO PLAY WITH MARIAH IN ANOTHER GAME. And if this happenned to be a fun game, I wouldn't be bothered a bit.

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Uuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhh...... Oh god, please...

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Eating Juan's feces with Donovan.

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"Re(7):hope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 02:41

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For sure not... It may have some balance issue but Horribly, I don't think they can correct it.

IMO giving air guard to all characters where ever they comes could all ready fix quite some problems.
As for the SF characters they should put them all in the same line. all on the same damage graduation and take their super system like they do with the Ism in SF zero.

So all SF chara will be balanced, SF will may have only air guard in 1 super but they'll be easy to use and their super damaging, for SF zero I would trash the original combo system for the Z-ism with different level for super with air guard and Zero counter, weik suepr and voila, for SF 3 chara, Air guard parying (with red version) and medium damage super.

For the Vampire and Warzard, one again all on the same damage line, right Nool or Hauzer are as wierd to play as other characters like Phobos, victor or Zabel can be...For "hman" character Leo and Mukoro aren't that far from Demitri or Morrigan like characters.

Finaly they just need then to find a balance between SF and DS/WZ characters and voila a game quite balanced.

PS: Cafeh2, where did your avatar comes from?? You can focus on a subject with such...

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"Re(9):hope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 04

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I would trash the original combo system for the Z-ism with different level
what's the point in having them in, then ?

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The same that in SF zero with X,Z, V ism.
IMO the custom combo suck...it make all the Zero characters useless and so Rose or Karin will never be touched by me..Even if I'm not the only one who will play this game, IMO Making SF character close to the X ism and making the Zero character to the Z ism will be better, Z ism is easier to use and between a characters with air guard and 1 super and some other with Air guard 3 super at 3levels and an alpha counter, and the other with air guard, parying and 2 super they may turn easier to balance.

V-ism is one of the less used even in CvS 2 so...different action for each SF game And different Way of using super at different damage Level count be more fun than a ridiculous combo system that reduce your damge and who can be stoped with only one hit from the opponent.

You said it yourself DS dominate, you really hopes to land a custom combo and Anakaris or Jedah???? no, and IMO Rose without her Shadow super is useless...
Sometimes easy thing are better than hard and complex system. IMO.

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LeMalta
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"haggy 2 dope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 08:15

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just for fun here is Mike Hagger's movelist for SM2 :

[Special Moves]
Double Lariat: Both Punches or Both Kicks

Angry Hammer: B,F+Punch
-Haggar dashes forward and smashes with an overhead punch.
Using HP will dash farther than LP.

Violent Axe: HCF+Punch
-Haggar will spin forward with two hammer fist smashes, which can hit multiple times. Using HP will spin farther than LP.

[Super Slam]
Screw Piledriver (during Grab): 360º Motion+Grab
-Haggar leaps with his opponent into the air, then spins furiously and piledrives them into the ground.

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"Character details, new rom" , posted Sun 11 Jul 09

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Well, sorry to be rude, but either way...

(snip the original combo nonsense, and "shoshoshoshoshoshoshoshoshoôken" original combo on Naruto)

Rose : 2 strong punch->AS throw works, while not on lower jump. The AS throw alone works wonders anyways.
The coffin dance and Dio Sega can't be reflected.
EDIT : gauge details not accurate anymore

Vega : close to CvS2. Jump mekuri middle punch is useful. far strong punch anti air. Psycho punish erases the projectiles. A guarded weak knee press can't be counterattacked (except by a special throw). the other go over the opponent.
The mega psycho crusher has a huge invincible time and goes through projectiles. damage : around 50%, overall more useful than the knee press nightmare.

Karin : her cancels work the same way as in Zero 3. strong punch is weak, while the 2+strong punch is still a great anti air, +236236K.
Original combo : strong kick x n + supercombo. why not.
she has her air throw, and it doesn't lag if missed (she does a weak punch)
EDIT : weak point not accurate anymore.

At least Demitri can air chain combo, but the guy made it against a guarding opponent, so maybe it won't connect.

Changes to the rom : the game became a little slower. THE GAUGE DOESN'T FILL WHEN YOU MISS A THROW ANYMORE. the hadôken has been extremely toned down, it's much slower now and barely connect with anything anymore. The shinkûhadôken is as fast, but weaker ; same as the sonic hurricane. Alex is a little faster, and Urien's tackle has a bit more lag. Felicia's sand is slower. the Vampire characters GC is so powerful and riskless it's not even funny. Anakaris didn't seem to change.

Karin chains much more than before. Quick jump. She's strong.

Mukuro can flee and teleport all day, and use kunai and chain while teleporting. no air guard = very dangerous. Since he can raise his gauge while fleeing like this, he has to be nuttered.

Ingrid can now cancel a lot. down + strong punch is slower. her normal strong punch is still extremely useful, but if they tone down this move, she will fall down to a completely useless character that can't do anything. Her moves don't connect as much as Karin. Still a badly done character.

The gap between Zangi and Anakaris is still here, but he can win against the other Vampire including Jedah. Demitri is the weakest character and except the low air demon flare (which is Hunter type by the way), Zangi may not have a lot to fear. Felicia's litter kick is still dangerous. The attack power difference is huge, a vampire full chain combo is weaker than a big strong Zangi punch. The double larriat can beat most of Jedah's forward moves, and Jedah may have to flee and protect himself his dio sega while trying to grab Zangi. Still a thought fight, but completely winable.

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"Re(10):hope" , posted Sun 11 Jul 09:40

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I would trash the original combo system for the Z-ism with different level
what's the point in having them in, then ?

The same that in SF zero with X,Z, V ism.
IMO the custom combo suck...it make all the Zero characters useless and so Rose or Karin will nevr be touched by me..

[snip]

V-ism is one of the less used even in CvS 2 so...

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You said it yourself DS dominate, you really hopes to land a custom combo and Anakaris or Jedah???? no, and IMO Rose with her Shadow super is useless...
Sometimes easy thing are better than hard and complex system. IMO.

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1. V-Karin is considered a top tier character in Alpha 3
2. A-Groove is considered the best groove in CvS2. The most used groove right now is A-Groove, to the point that in Japan they have a term like "more of the same" for A-Groove players.

Rose and Guy are the ones who get nerfed in CFJ because their best -isms are Z, not A. That's not the case of Sakura and Karin.

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Sorry, only the EFZ people are allowed to do that.

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Tell that to Mai.

Well, at least she became more interesting instead of just setting up the crossup combo.

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"Re(1):Character details, new rom" , posted Sun 11 Jul 10:05

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From Iggy:

> Changes to the rom : the game became a little slower.

Bad.

> THE GAUGE DOESN'T FILL WHEN YOU MISS A THROW ANYMORE.

This is good.

> the hadôken has been extremely toned down, it's much slower now and barely connect with anything anymore. The shinkûhadôken is as fast, but weaker ; same as the sonic hurricane.

All bad. LEAVE RYU'S HADOUKEN ALONE DAMMIT. It's supposed to be fast. Tone down the damage if you have to, but leave the speed and recovery Christ.

> Alex is a little faster, and Urien's tackle has a bit more lag.

Yah and boo, in that order. I hope they don't make his tackle suck again like in 2I.

> Felicia's sand is slower. the Vampire characters GC is so powerful and riskless it's not even funny. Anakaris didn't seem to change.

GC moves need to do zero damage or something.

> Karin chains much more than before. Quick jump. She's strong.

Good.

> Mukuro can flee and teleport all day, and use kunai and chain while teleporting. no air guard = very dangerous. Since he can raise his gauge while fleeing like this, he has to be nuttered.

Nah, leave him be until something definite comes about. I'm sure Jedah and ANakaris could hunt his ass down.

> Ingrid can now cancel a lot. down + strong punch is slower. her normal strong punch is still extremely useful, but if they tone down this move, she will fall down to a completely useless character that can't do anything. Her moves don't connect as much as Karin. Still a badly done character.

No comment. By design, she seems to be hideously dull.

> The gap between Zangi and Anakaris is still here, but he can win against the other Vampire including Jedah. Demitri is the weakest character and except the low air demon flare (which is Hunter type by the way), Zangi may not have a lot to fear.

Good to hear.

> Felicia's litter kick is still dangerous. The attack power difference is huge, a vampire full chain combo is weaker than a big strong Zangi punch. The double larriat can beat most of Jedah's forward moves, and Jedah may have to flee and protect himself his dio sega while trying to grab Zangi. Still a thought fight, but completely winable.

Good to hear, though I bet Gief will still end up being in low tier in the end.

Anyway, all this character tweaking sounds good (EXCEPT FOR RYU HADOUKEN GETTING TONED DOWN). This is more of what the game needs, not universal-balancing methods like giving everyone air guard (which will only start the trned of making every character type playing more and more the same). Oh, and make the weaker characters better, thanks. Give Gief his SF2 SPD range and damage back and even if he's low tier, Gief fans won't comaplain much.

Also, anyone check on normal throws? Range/Speed/Damage/priority (if applicable)?

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"Re(2):Character details, new rom" , posted Sun 11 Jul 10:15

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>All bad. LEAVE RYU'S HADOUKEN ALONE DAMMIT.

Well, it was REALLY overpowered until today, far too fast. And the shôryûken is still a weapon some character just dream to have.

> I hope they don't make his tackle suck again like in 2I.

Again, it's not "slower than in the original game", it's slower than in the beta until yesterday". Urien could tockle all day without being countered by most characters.

>GC moves need to do zero damage or something.

Or to use some gauge ?

>Also, anyone check on normal throws? Range/Speed/Damage/priority (if applicable)?

I think I remember them to be quite effective while not overpowered, but I should check the...
(think to the 10 threads of 1000 messages that got written in a few days)
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Someone please get photos of the testing room, players, and officials.
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"Re(10):PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sun 11 Jul 13:21

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By the way, Felicia is her Savior self (Please help me and such) + sand kick.

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"Re(2)PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Sun 11 Jul 15:28

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Game looking good so far... nice to hear about more characters. Here's hoping for Juli & Juni (either a combined character, or some kind of special tag team) and Gen for the Alpha team... the rest of the games already have my favs in the backgrounds so I don't really care.

Hmmm, considering Juli was chosen for the gashapon treatment (which reminds me that I have to track that one down on Ebay) maybe she's the more likely character to appear.

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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Sun 11 Jul 19:24

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yeah i was thinking that juli or juni might make the roster b/c cammys in the BG already...i looked at their moves today and i would prefer juni since she has a couple more useful original moves including a teleport and a 360 grab...i just hope if she does make it, to change her from a charge character and maybe incorporate juli in a super or something like that....

was the jungle stage shown in the beta test? i havent read anything on it...im wondering what BG characters it has on that stage if any

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was the jungle stage shown in the beta test? i havent read anything on it...im wondering what BG characters it has on that stage if any

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Well I think that Hauzer is the one who fit to jungle, felicia too maybe... But in a "dream match" like this I don't think that characters "owns" a BG.

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"Re(1)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Mon 12 Jul 06:42

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was the jungle stage shown in the beta test? i havent read anything on it...im wondering what BG characters it has on that stage if any

Well I think that Hauzer is the one who fit to jungle, felicia too maybe... But in a "dream match" like this I don't think that characters "owns" a BG.

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what are you talking about? i meant BG characters like ken and tailbain....characters IN the BG....i never said anything about owning anything...

but i have a hunch that blanka may be in that jungle BG...

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"Re(3)PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Mon 12 Jul 12:13

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Game looking good so far... nice to hear about more characters. Here's hoping for Juli & Juni (either a combined character, or some kind of special tag team) and Gen for the Alpha team... the rest of the games already have my favs in the backgrounds so I don't really care.

Hmmm, considering Juli was chosen for the gashapon treatment (which reminds me that I have to track that one down on Ebay) maybe she's the more likely character to appear.

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Combined tag teams rule. Or... maybe I have too much fun with Ice Climbers in Super Smash Bros Melee or something, but it'd be a nice change of pace at least.

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"other detail" , posted Mon 12 Jul 12

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Vampire characters can't stun their opponent anymore.
Let's say it's for the sake of the balance and let's judge the final product.
Yes, I'll try to do it and refrain from harsh words for now.

Alex : powerful. blocking->hyper bomb = kowa !

Some people already say that after Ingrid, Anakaris (and some add Guile) get nerfed a bit (in Ingrid's case, when she will get interesting), the game is already enjoyable, with weak and strong characters, but enjoyable.

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...the game is already enjoyable, with weak and strong characters, but enjoyable.

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And on which field does Chun Li fits in?

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"Re(2)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Tue 13 Jul 04:32

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what are you talking about? i meant BG characters like ken and tailbain....characters IN the BG....i never said anything about owning anything...

but i have a hunch that blanka may be in that jungle BG...

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Oups sorry I've understand like: "wich characters the BG belong to?"...

SO now as you said blanka, can be in, Rikuo, Q-bee, Phobos, Oro, Elena.... Are those I think we'll saw there.

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"Re(1):other detail" , posted Tue 13 Jul 10:48

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Some people already say that after Ingrid, Anakaris (and some add Guile) get nerfed a bit (in Ingrid's case, when she will get interesting), the game is already enjoyable, with weak and strong characters, but enjoyable.

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Damn, how do you nerf Guile? He only has two moves. His moves were weak in CVS2 IMO, compared to his old SF version.

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"Re(2)CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Tue 13 Jul 13:09

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yeah i was thinking that juli or juni might make the roster b/c cammys in the BG already...i looked at their moves today and i would prefer juni since she has a couple more useful original moves including a teleport and a 360 grab...i just hope if she does make it, to change her from a charge character and maybe incorporate juli in a super or something like that....

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Sweet! We need more Cammy clones in games,ha ha!

Yay! I'd rather prefer Juli over Juni,but it wouldn't make sense to exclude either of them.

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Oh, yeah, Iggy... has anybody mentioned if Anakaris can still back-dash off the edge of the screen?

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"Re(2):other detail" , posted Tue 13 Jul 14:47

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"This just in.... Zangief's sprite has been touched up, they redid his head. Liek OMG! see Capcom does love their fans! They're teh gr8test!"
Quote From: Shiroi Kaze, snk-capcom forum member

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"Re(2):other detail" , posted Tue 13 Jul 14:54

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Oh, yeah, Iggy... has anybody mentioned if Anakaris can still back-dash off the edge of the screen?

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This is the first thing I asked. Thank god HE CAN !

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"..." , posted Tue 13 Jul 15:34

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"This just in.... Zangief's sprite has been touched up, they redid his head. Liek OMG! see Capcom does love their fans! They're teh gr8test!"
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Lame

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"Re(1):..." , posted Tue 13 Jul 16:20

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Yeah that Shiroi Kaze guy is a total ass.

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"Re(2):..." , posted Tue 13 Jul 16:34

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Yeah that Shiroi Kaze guy is a total ass.

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no. he's just stupid

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no. he's just stupid

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Yeah really... I mean he should know that of course Capcom cares. If they didn't care they wouldn't even have made this game... it's not like they make MONEY from it or anything...

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"Re(4):..." , posted Wed 14 Jul 09:09

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What's that you say? They are giving Gief big anime girl eyes?? And they are curling his beard and tying on a pink ribbon???

Awesome!

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Personally I think it would be cool if he could wear a mask and change his name to Red Cyclone.

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"monkey told you" , posted Wed 14 Jul 13:51

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JUNNA???

Papa mono and my evil alter ego will be outraged upon hearing this!

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Yeah that Shiroi Kaze guy is a total ass.

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"Re(1):monkey told you to go to hell" , posted Wed 14 Jul 14:25

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JUNNA???

Papa mono and my evil alter ego will be outraged upon hearing this!

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Yeah that Shiroi Kaze guy is a total ass.

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"Re(2):monkey told you to go to hell" , posted Wed 14 Jul 16:24

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Outrage? well her super-hero name is Jun Jun Justice.... but that doesn't seem to be helping so.... *Fuchikoma runs for the hills*

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"NANTO????" , posted Wed 14 Jul 16:50

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JUNNA???

Papa mono and my evil alter ego will be outraged upon hearing this!

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Fuck!! Junna is fighting samus..... She must be an evil clone from my evil clone XD

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"Re(1):NANTO????" , posted Wed 14 Jul 17:13

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I came back because I drop my keys... really. Ummm anyway he's not really Samus per-se... he's an alien that shoots urine at high pressure... I never really did settle on a name, I was torn between "The Whizzard" or "Captain Pee Pee"... the design is more a Mysterio rip-off though.

But seriously... There's another Junna? I was not aware of this...

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"Re(2):NANTO????" , posted Wed 14 Jul 17:22

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I came back because I drop my keys... really. Ummm anyway he's not really Samus per-se... he's an alien that shoots urine at high pressure... I never really did settle on a name, I was torn between "The Whizzard" or "Captain Pee Pee"... the design is more a Mysterio rip-off though.

But seriously... There's another Junna? I was not aware of this...

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The original evil clone spawn seeking world conquest was called Juna ; mainly created from juan's genes and a dodgeball thread she betrayed me when I send her in a secret mission to dispatch juan; then she betrayed juan and run into secrecy plotting revenge against their creators... Currently I have a less inteligent/powerful juna clone in my house...

You should call that samus 'meado' wich is a raw & rough term for pee in spanish XD

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"Re(3):NANTO????" , posted Wed 14 Jul 18:02

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OIC... maybe I should stick a penguin in there somewhere. Anyway even though the pee guy is supposed to get beaten in the first issue... I'll probably have him come back disguised as a mask wrestler... and "El Meado" sounds pretty good.

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"Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 03

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While Pharaoh is still amongst the strongest, he is the one with the lowest protection, so SF2 characters may stand a chance if they land one or two successful blow. Ths coffins can be blocked high or low. The cobra blow doesn't hit a crouched opponent.

But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

EDIT : oh, and the music might, MIGHT be done by Ise Satoshi, composer for CvS, sound effects for SF3 or DMC2. Uuuuuugh, CvS ?
And... wow, 6 backgrounds ?

EDIT 2 : and no kuzureyarare make me cry (no cheap finish KO animation. the character just takes the damage, then falls to the ground).

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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 08:32

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While Pharaoh is still amongst the strongest, he is the one with the lowest protection, so SF2 characters may stand a chance if they land one or two successful blow. Ths coffins can be blocked high or low. The cobra blow doesn't hit a crouched opponent.

But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

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Thanks to Iggy for continuing to be the source for Anakaris information. While I can understand the need to balance the game I'm puzzled as to why projectile eating move had to be removed. It more often than not came across as a fun move than a pratical one; for example, while it was neat you could eat and barf back BB Hood's land mines you could still win a match without bothering to do that. Would being able to burp up sonic booms be that big an advantage?

Does the Cobra Blow still hit multiple times at least?

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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 08:35

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While Pharaoh is still amongst the strongest, he is the one with the lowest protection, so SF2 characters may stand a chance if they land one or two successful blow. Ths coffins can be blocked high or low. The cobra blow doesn't hit a crouched opponent.

But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

EDIT : oh, and the music might, MIGHT be done by Ise Satoshi, composer for CvS, sound effects for SF3 or DMC2. Uuuuuugh, CvS ?
And... wow, 6 backgrounds ?

EDIT 2 : and no kuzureyarare make me cry (no cheap finish KO animation. the character just takes the damage, then falls to the ground).

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I haven't paid super close attention to this, but besides Ingrid, are they redrawing anything at all?

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"Re(2):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 08:37

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I haven't paid super close attention to this, but besides Ingrid, are they redrawing anything at all?
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Zangief's head. No kidding.

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 08:56

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Composer of CVS1?? CVS1 Soundtrack owns!!!

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"Re(4):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 11:24

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Composer of CVS1?? CVS1 Soundtrack owns!!!

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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 11:30

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But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

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Can't say I find that too surprising, especially considering how fireballs tend to be my greatest nemisis in fighting games. Wouldn't surprise me if the bozo responsible for that one was the same one that thought Athena's reflect move needed to have less duration in KOF 03.

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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 11:46

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But not only does the sabaki transform everything into the same (MvC2 ?) puppet, but Anakaris doesn't have the togameno ana nor the projectile swallowing/vomiting.
OK, I think I'll stick to Savior for Pharaoh. AGAIN.

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Well I'm not a good Anakaris player but without "Void" and "Retribution" Anakaris is a bit helpless before projectiles...
Or many if you land a coffin on it you'll negate them...If it is, timing will be a "must learn"....

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"Re(2):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 12

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Well I'm not a good Anakaris player but without "Void" and "Retribution" Anakaris is a bit helpless before projectiles...
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You're not a good Anakaris player indeed.
The kotodama gaeshi is, like maybe ALL Anakaris moves, quite useless actually.
What make Savior Anakaris so great is that he has so many useless moves that somehow, whatever situations you're in, you have always something useful to get out of trouble, or something stupid but funny to piss off your opponent.
And in case of a projectile, the drop (miira ? I don't know how to romanize it) is always better.

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"Re(5):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 12:58

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Well, I'm one of the few who likes the songs in CVS2, minus Aomori Stage and that Snowy Background Stage. The rest of the songs are cool. Haven't played DMC2 yet but I plan to purchase soon.

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"Re(6):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 13:19

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I didn't know that the person who did the music for both CvS 1 and 2 were one and the same. CvS1's music is soooooo much better than CvS2's.

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"Re(7):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 14:25

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I do know Capcom stated that for CVS1 they were going for a more Techno style Soundtrack due to the game being set in 2000 for a futuristic sound and for CVS2 they tried to make the music with a little bit of everything for more variety if that helps.

As seperate OSTs, CVS1 is better because it has the two tracks of Ryu fighting Kyo and Chun-Li Fighting Mai. CVS2 has all the voice tracks, but I prefer vs. songs like above.

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"Re(8):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 16:31

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I'm not a big fan of CvS1's soundtrack. Sure, I haven't played the game all that much, and once I unlocked the option to play with oldschool music, I never played played with the default soundtrack again, so I haven't really listened that much to the soundtrack... But none of the songs were really memorable to me. Looking back, I can't recall how any of the songs go, and all in all the impression I got was that it mostly just a generic techno mess. To me the CvS2 music really stands out more, and is definitely more memorable... I really like CvS2 's music, but I can't really say whether I prefer it over CvS1's soundtrack or not - simply because of the fact that I don't remember at all what CvS1 sounds like.

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"Re(9):Anakaris + music" , posted Thu 15 Jul 20:59

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I wish they do what they did with the old SF games. Have the music intensify when someone is down 50% in the second round. That always got the blood flowing.

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"Re(10):Anakaris + music" , posted Fri 16 Jul 03:50

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I wish they do what they did with the old SF games. Have the music intensify when someone is down 50% in the second round. That always got the blood flowing.

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I agree to that!! ^^

Indeed Iggy I a very bad Anakaris player, and in fact when I face him he's a true nuisance for me... I'm far better with people like Pyron, Q-bee or Phobos...
Air-play that's my way.

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"New rom" , posted Sun 18 Jul 12

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Warzard characters have been hugely improved. Their gauge raise even when they guard. Their biggest weakness is therefore gone (and I'm afraid Mukuro is going to be even more of a nuisance). They also can guard-> Ultimate Guard(which is now useful). The Ultimate Counter also has been beefed up and can now break a supercombo.
Also, the levelup now doesn't reset from round to round. It's now more easy to go up to level 5 or 6 (the maximum ?), and the damage shows the leveluping.
Raising characters instead of screwing Vampires, now that's what I'm waiting of that game.

Other details : the hadôken is back to what it was, the sabaki is now shorter, Guile lost (temporally?) the Sonic Hurricane but is still as strong, the sunshoot now goes half the distance. Oh, and the game now has the ... furimukiyarare (the thing when Alex hits the opponent and he temporally turns backward so you can hit him a little bit more) even though it's too short to do anything except an hyper bomb now and it happens on moves where it shouldn't, but it should evolve.

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。
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"Re(1):Anakaris + music" , posted Sun 18 Jul 19:48

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EDIT 2 : and no kuzureyarare make me cry (no cheap finish KO animation. the character just takes the damage, then falls to the ground).

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I liked it best when you got a Cheese (instead of a V or S or whatever the hell you got) icon when you won a round with chip damage in MvC1 :)

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So...how about those...things....

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"Re(2):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 00:28

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you won a round with chip damage

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Is it how you write it ? "chip", not "cheap" ? What does it mean, then ?

(yes, I have this evil masterplan to see if the internet will implode if this thread breaks up the 200 posts limit)

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 00:38

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you won a round with chip damage

Is it how you write it ? "chip", not "cheap" ? What does it mean, then ?

(yes, I have this evil masterplan to see if the internet will implode if this thread breaks up the 200 posts limit)

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err I can still steer into here with the power of cable I will help push it to the limit. Also take this time to ask about any character interactions in the game or if not do you speculate like.. like.. let's see... I don't know M. Bison vs Urien

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 00:59

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you won a round with chip damage

Is it how you write it ? "chip", not "cheap" ? What does it mean, then ?

(yes, I have this evil masterplan to see if the internet will implode if this thread breaks up the 200 posts limit)
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I've seen it written as "chip damage" as well as "tick damage" and "block damage". I don't know if there is one offical name for it though.

If I had to guess, I'd say that people started using "chip damage" beacuse it's chipping away at the player's life bar in tiny bits like the way you can chip away little flakes off of a rock or an ice cube.

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"Re(4):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 01:39

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If I had to guess, I'd say that people started using "chip damage" beacuse it's chipping away at the player's life bar in tiny bits like the way you can chip away little flakes off of a rock or an ice cube.

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Hooo... I thought "cheap" finish because I thought it's a cheap way to, well, finish your opponent. I would love it if they could bring back the C'est mon choix - woooowing voices of Savior. (And now that I think of it, wasn't it written "cheap" in that game ? I'll check next time I'll need some hot honey-bee love).

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
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"Re(5):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 01:54

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Hooo... I thought "cheap" finish because I thought it's a cheap way to, well, finish your opponent. I would love it if they could bring back the C'est mon choix - woooowing voices of Savior. (And now that I think of it, wasn't it written "cheap" in that game ? I'll check next time I'll need some hot honey-bee love).

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That's what I was thinking too... And IIRC in SF zero2 it was writen as Cheap...

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"Re(6):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 04:06

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It's cheap to win by chip damage, I guess.

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"Re(2):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 06:48

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I liked it best when you got a Cheese (instead of a V or S or whatever the hell you got) icon when you won a round with chip damage in MvC1 :)
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Couldn't you get a cheese in Primal Rage too? I seem to remember it being related to something besides killing someone with block damage, since I think you got it mid-round.

On the subject of cheap victories, I'm surprised that more games don't do like Melty Blood, and simply make it so that you can't die from block damage. I suppose that it suits MB more than most games since you can deal out a hell of a lot of block damage if you really apply yourself, but the same is true for beam-tastic games like MvC2 (even though it's not quite as big of a deal to lose one of your three characters from block damage, but you know what I'm saying).

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 07:09

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Enjoy Use everything.

Cheap is not a word in my fighting game dictionary.

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 10:21

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I liked it best when you got a Cheese (instead of a V or S or whatever the hell you got) icon when you won a round with chip damage in MvC1 :) Couldn't you get a cheese in Primal Rage too? I seem to remember it being related to something besides killing someone with block damage, since I think you got it mid-round.
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If memory serves you could also get a no cheese icon in Primal Rage if you tried to do a combo that the programmers didn't like. That's the only game I know of that mocked and chided players for trying to test out the game engine. Considering that Primal Rage had nonsense like re-stun combos and whatnot in it I'm not sure where it got off trying to tell the player what was cheese and what wasn't.

Damn but this is a long thread and there still aren't any pictures of Zangief's new head posted in it.

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"Re(1):" , posted Mon 19 Jul 13:01

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any thing on CFJ in the latest Famitsu magazine? isnt it the time of the month that the new issue comes out?

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:04

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On the subject of cheap victories, I'm surprised that more games don't do like Melty Blood, and simply make it so that you can't die from block damage. I suppose that it suits MB more than most games since you can deal out a hell of a lot of block damage if you really apply yourself, but the same is true for beam-tastic games like MvC2 (even though it's not quite as big of a deal to lose one of your three characters from block damage, but you know what I'm saying).

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Capcom themselves tried that with JoJo.
The problem with this feature is that encourages extreme turtling near the end of a player's health bar.
It can be accectable only if paired with a solid guard-crush system (which JoJo failed, since all the non-active stand wielders couldn't be stand-crushed)
Overall, I'm all for chip deaths, even if I don't like when it happens against me.
One of the many things I like about 3rd Strike is also that you can always avoid being chipped to death, but it requires skill

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3rd Strike rulez ;)

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"Stop Posting Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:13

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Thread is TOO big. I'm starting another one. ^_^

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"Post Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14

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Thread is TOO big. I'm starting another one. ^_^

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NOT BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS TO 200 POSTS !

Interesting : the Zero characters also raise their gauge when they guard. Rose and Guy love it.

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。
[this message was edited by Iggy on Mon 19 Jul 14:21]

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"Re(1):Post Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:31

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Are you serious? Well, I started the second Thread all the same with an extra bit of lunacy... let me know if you want me to rename it.

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"Re(4):Chip damage" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:38

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Capcom themselves tried that with JoJo.
The problem with this feature is that encourages extreme turtling near the end of a player's health bar.
It can be accectable only if paired with a solid guard-crush system (which JoJo failed, since all the non-active stand wielders couldn't be stand-crushed)
Overall, I'm all for chip deaths, even if I don't like when it happens against me.
One of the many things I like about 3rd Strike is also that you can always avoid being chipped to death, but it requires skill

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Capcom's Moero! Justice Gakuen (and the original as well?) also disallowed chip damage for winning a match and succeeded quite well in doing so.

I still like Vampire Savior's damage system the best, though I'd like to play around with an option not to carry damage across "rounds".

[And what happened to my old account? Deactived for non-usage?]

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"Re(2):Post Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 14:40

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Are you serious?
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YES, I AM. (chichichi)

there's nothing interesting to say about this game before the next bunch of characters is revealed anyways, as your attempt of a template) shows.

And the official boss of CFJ actually is Michitsuna no Haha.

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
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"Re(3):Post Here!" , posted Mon 19 Jul 15:33

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It is cheap finish in Vampire Savior, that Alex thing is called the Flash Chop, I believe (it's like the pro-wrestling chop, which Ric Flair and Chris Benoit do a lot) and meter building while guarding is the bee's knees.

There! Now I'm off to post in the other thread too! Isn't that kooky!

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"Re(3):Anakaris + music" , posted Mon 19 Jul 19:51

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On the subject of cheap victories, I'm surprised that more games don't do like Melty Blood, and simply make it so that you can't die from block damage. I suppose that it suits MB more than most games since you can deal out a hell of a lot of block damage if you really apply yourself, but the same is true for beam-tastic games like MvC2 (even though it's not quite as big of a deal to lose one of your three characters from block damage, but you know what I'm saying).

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It depends. Different games work in different ways (EFZ... no timer, no chip damage kills!) and have different styles (chipping is an integral part of MvC2; it is NOT cheap).

I don't miss the cheese as much as I miss the cherry for killing with a jab/short. But hearing Dudley say "Too... strong!" more than makes up for it in 3S.

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"Re(4):Anakaris + music" , posted Tue 20 Jul 01:51

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IMO cheap victory are a part of the game, after all if you didn't wish to be "cheap-beaten" it's up to you to avoid damage...

I have a friend who alway scream about those but he always block fireball and such when he can jump over them.
taking the block damage as a part of your strategie isn't a bad thing IMO.

And so the thread rise closer to the 200post!!

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"Go 200 Posts!" , posted Tue 20 Jul 07:55

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K-Man already ruined the other Thread for me, so GO 200 POSTS!

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"181 !" , posted Tue 20 Jul 09

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Krzyzewski : no, not the flash chop, he already had it, it's the state the opponent is in after the flash chop that has been added.

The shinkû senpûkyaku and the Sonic Hurricane have been removed from the move list. Are they definitely gone ?

Some moves have changed. Felicia's Please Help Me is now 632146 KK, and the Dancing Flash is 632146 PP. Ingrid, Nool and Mukuro also had their command changed.
Yun can't combo after his... raigekikyaku ?
Mukuro had his new move implanted. He doesn't remove the heart from his victim now, just some soul-like thingie, identical for everyone. Bouuuuh....
The litter kick of Felicia is still here, but has a huge lag now.
Some other changes, Alex's jump is strangely low and reminds Charolette's best hours. that makes him quite different, but extremely effective.
Karin is better and better ; her middle attack has vastly improved.
Jedah's air moves seem to be those of his Hunter version from Chronicle, while his dash is far slower than in Savior. His close dash acts very different from the Savior one, and his moves have a different lag. He is as weak as ever on the defensive side (maybe worse, his down-middle kick is slower) so you need to advance guard every time you can.
Ah, actually, all the characters from Vampire have the air chain combo laws of Hunter, not Savior (they can use any move in the air when the lag of the one they're using is gone, and as far they're not doing the same move again). Well, Anakaris didn't had much use of his air chain combo in Savior, so it can only make him even stronger. Also, the hit back of the ground chain combo is shorter, so the chains are easier (to counter the low damage)
Vega's normal moves seem a little stronger than in CvS2.

...and much, much other changes. Just another detail : this is the 3rd (4th? 5th?) beta version since the beginning of the beta tests. Capcom is really tweaking the game, they are really making their best to cover the... hmm, graphical weakness of the game. Screw the "IT'S MUGEN!" monkeys, let's forget our hopes for nice additions and stuff, at least they are doing their best with their extremely limited teams.
And I like it. It's that kind of of spirit Yuki had when they rocketested SS0 and SupiSupe, and that's the kind of spirit that severely lacks in all the reports from... humm, I don't know, Nowave's betatests for example.

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。
[this message was edited by Iggy on Tue 20 Jul 11:04]

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"Several questions" , posted Tue 20 Jul 10:37

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I don't know if any of these have been answered already, but I might as well throw them in.

1. What move set does Sakura have? (i.e. Does she have her "Zero" set, including that one move in "Zero III" whose name has escaped from me?)

2. If Ise Satoshi-san is composing the music, this means another no classics game, right? (I think I already know the answer to my own question and I know that I will be real upset at the end. I'll be listening to "Precious Heart" around the clock now. --')

3. Now if I recall, the game has a style gimmick. So, does this mean the "II" and "III" characters don't have the ability to air block? (Remember. I said "block", not "parry".)

4. When you taunt, whose power gauge do you increase?

5. Any word on endings?

6. Did anyone get seiyuu changes?

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"Re(1):Several questions" , posted Tue 20 Jul 10:51

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Hmm, it sounds like I'm going to have to relearn Jedah if he's in Hunter mode.

How is Alex doing his new move? Is it his or is it some new command?

While I suspect this game is very far down on the priority list for Capcom it's good to hear that the people working on the game are trying their best with the limited resources they have.

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"Re(2):Several questions" , posted Tue 20 Jul 11:31

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No report on changes for Chun Li? Is nobody using her or what? :(

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"mmcafe accounts..," , posted Tue 20 Jul 11:45

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[And what happened to my old account? Deactived for non-usage?]

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In teory the account gets erased after 4 months of no posting...
regarless you could 'check replies' for your old nick and ask for email password confirmation....

go 200 post, go!!

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"Endings?" , posted Tue 20 Jul 12:39

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Someone at Gamefaqs in the Capcom Fighting Jam Board is saying that Studio Udon is providing all of the Artwork for the CFJ endings. The only ending he got a look at was Ryu fighting Gallon in his ending.

We do know that Studio Udon is working on a secret project that will delay issue 10 and Capcom gave them a special project they could not turn down. Let's see if this rumor pans out. Unfortunatly, it involves the usual "I know a friend of a friend" Gamefaqs style rumor so prolly not.

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"Re(1):Endings?" , posted Tue 20 Jul 17:18

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Someone at Gamefaqs in the Capcom Fighting Jam Board is saying that Studio Udon is providing all of the Artwork for the CFJ endings. The only ending he got a look at was Ryu fighting Gallon in his ending.

We do know that Studio Udon is working on a secret project that will delay issue 10 and Capcom gave them a special project they could not turn down. Let's see if this rumor pans out. Unfortunatly, it involves the usual "I know a friend of a friend" Gamefaqs style rumor so prolly not.

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Well, now we can expect the girls to look ugly (i´m still amazed on how Alvin Lee manages that with Chunners and Sakura).

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"Re(1):Endings?" , posted Tue 20 Jul 20:21

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Someone at Gamefaqs in the Capcom Fighting Jam Board is saying that Studio Udon is providing all of the Artwork for the CFJ endings. The only ending he got a look at was Ryu fighting Gallon in his ending.

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I guess that would be cool if it turns out to be true. I was going to say "Why is Capcom wasting time with endings in such a game?", but if they're farming it out to Udon, it probably means that they would be able to concentrate more on the game itself instead of frivolous fluff.

Anyway, glad to hear that they're testing it seriously. AND that they're finalling wising up and toning all other characters up instead of just weakening the strong ones (though they weakened the strong ones as well - that will probably bite them in the ass; I'll bet the DS characters will end up sucking in the final version). I just hope that if/when new characters are added, they retest it just as thoroughly.

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"Re(1):181 !" , posted Tue 20 Jul 20:30

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Krzyzewski : no, not the flash chop, he already had it, it's the state the opponent is in after the flash chop that has been added.
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'Round these here parts, we lack ta call 'at back-turned state, son.

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The shinkû senpûkyaku and the Sonic Hurricane have been removed from the move list. Are they definitely gone ?
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Denis Leary says yes.

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Yun can't combo after his... raigekikyaku ?
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You mean the dive kick (where he attacks in the air like a crane)?

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Well, in all honesty, it would be a bit off-putting to see someone get up after that. Unless you'd done it as part of a zombification ritual. Then the blackened pit that was formerly your heart would seem somehow warmer.

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The litter kick of Felicia is still here, but has a huge lag now.
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Not a bad idea, honestly. It's a really strong move, and regardless, the light Neko Spike should function somewhat similarly.

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Some other changes, Alex's jump is strangely low and reminds Charolette's best hours. that makes him quite different, but extremely effective.
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Indeed. Low jumps are always good to have, see King of Fighters, the aforementioned Charlotte, and A-poc beasting with A-Balrog.

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This is the time many people would make a high-pitched "whoop." I'm glad to say I don't.

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Jedah's air moves seem to be those of his Hunter version from Chronicle, while his dash is far slower than in Savior. His close dash acts very different from the Savior one, and his moves have a different lag. He is as weak as ever on the defensive side (maybe worse, his down-middle kick is slower) so you need to advance guard every time you can.
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Ah, actually, all the characters from Vampire have the air chain combo laws of Hunter, not Savior (they can use any move in the air when the lag of the one they're using is gone, and as far they're not doing the same move again). Well, Anakaris didn't had much use of his air chain combo in Savior, so it can only make him even stronger. Also, the hit back of the ground chain combo is shorter, so the chains are easier (to counter the low damage)
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That should help Jedah a lot, too. Keeping the opponent in range of a C. Roundhouse chain finisher makes his chains significantly more damaging. Or at least that's what I've noticed.

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...and much, much other changes. Just another detail : this is the 3rd (4th? 5th?) beta version since the beginning of the beta tests. Capcom is really tweaking the game, they are really making their best to cover the... hmm, graphical weakness of the game. Screw the "IT'S MUGEN!" monkeys, let's forget our hopes for nice additions and stuff, at least they are doing their best with their extremely limited teams.
And I like it. It's that kind of of spirit Yuki had when they rocketested SS0 and SupiSupe, and that's the kind of spirit that severely lacks in all the reports from... humm, I don't know, Nowave's betatests for example.

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Good for Capcom. Although that kind of beta test should be the standard, not above and beyond. Now, what's Nowave beta testing? I'm a bit ig'nant. Yes, ig'nant.

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"200 post here we go!" , posted Wed 21 Jul 01:35

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Well it's a very good thing that they're testing it seriously, maybe this way the game will have a good sucsees and later some other game project will be taken more seriously with more money and people to made them.

Still curious to know if some boss will made it to the final product.
Hope they won't screw them like in CvS2.

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"191 !" , posted Wed 21 Jul 03

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if they're farming it out to Udon, it probably means that they would be able to concentrate more on the game itself instead of frivolous fluff.
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Well, you know, it's not like Shinkirô or Nishimura were actually the ones drawing Ingrid (or Zangief's head, if it's real) sprites... If they are here, they could as well draw the ending. And as much as I don't like them, I think I'd rather the integrality of the game to be developped inside Capcom then to be finished with the help of some cheap 3rd world country societies. If Capcom needs something now, it's the Capcom Spirit, they'd better take advantage of that game to recover it.

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(Checks in his 3rd strike manual) Yes, I think it's that move.

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Well, in all honesty, it would be a bit off-putting to see someone get up after that. Unless you'd done it as part of a zombification ritual. Then the blackened pit that was formerly your heart would seem somehow warmer.
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I think the heart thing was only there if you finish the guy with it. (he has his original winning pose from Warzard when he does it). On one hand, Jedah can swallow multiple souls with his ES ; on the other one, doing this on Karin or Sakura would be quite... Well, I kinda understand why they didn't put it in. Or maybe only on Vampire characters...

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I think in the beta test of GG Isuka (or was it Rumble Fish ? KOF 2003?) they didn't had sheets for player to write down their feelings about the game, and the developers left very early. It was a beta test just to make people speak about the game and nothing else.

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Kof Nowave has been in beta test for long now, and I don't think it has changed more than once since the beginning of the test. Well, since it's 2002+, and since most of the hidden characters (all of them ?) will be returning characters from 2002, I guess even Imoya can balance them without public beta. I think they could balance the whole game without doing the beta test. I also think they could not have done this game at all.

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。
[this message was edited by Iggy on Wed 21 Jul 03:18]

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"Re(1):193 now! HOLLA!" , posted Wed 21 Jul 07

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SANO = ANNOYING x INFINITY!

And Krzyzewski Man you really need to let your love for Sesame Street and the Cookie Monster go. I liked chanting "KOOKY" too like the Cookie Monster does repeatedly, when I was Five...

Me personally, I don't mind if the rumor holds true and Udon does the ending. They work close with Capcom of Japan, even had Shinkiro provide 2 covers for them, and CFJ letting Udon do the endings is more of a tribute of how happy they are with Udon. It's just drawings, the Artists who draw the characters hardly ever draw the endings and even if Udon writes the endings, none of them will be official anyway.

And hey, Udon actually cares more about SF than Capcom does keeping us waiting ongoing 5 years for a sequel...

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"Re(1):Endings?" , posted Wed 21 Jul 07:33

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Someone at Gamefaqs in the Capcom Fighting Jam Board is saying that Studio Udon is providing all of the Artwork for the CFJ endings. The only ending he got a look at was Ryu fighting Gallon in his ending.

We do know that Studio Udon is working on a secret project that will delay issue 10 and Capcom gave them a special project they could not turn down. Let's see if this rumor pans out. Unfortunatly, it involves the usual "I know a friend of a friend" Gamefaqs style rumor so prolly not.

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Considering that SNK brought in Falcoon to work on KoF03 or how Karin was a character in Sakura's manga before she was imported into SFA3 the idea of Capcom going with an enthusiastic outside source for part of a game isn't without precedence. Still, the idea that the rumor came out of GameFAQS does give me pause. I don't know how the GameFAQS message boards developed such a lousy reputation but it's such an accepted idea it taints any information that comes out of that site.

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"Re(2):Endings?" , posted Wed 21 Jul 11:36

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Editor of the US SF Comic, Erik Ko is gonna go to Gamefaqs to check this rumor out. We'll see how things pan out...

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"Re(3):Endings?" , posted Wed 21 Jul 12

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About Mukuro's move, like Iggy said you should kill the opponent with it, in battle there was nothing more than damage.

And the animation was different for each characters:

Human characters:(playable) Mukuro get a heart with red blood and squish it.

CPU characters: (monsters) Mukuro get a heart with green blood and squish it.

Other CPU characters: (Gigi Blade) mukuro get an ord like thing for Gigi and an emerald for blade (their core) and squish those.

For Valdoll nothing happen since at the end of the 1st round he transform himself and the 2nd form is just an huge brain with Valdoll remains so...

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moonslash
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"Re(1):" , posted Wed 21 Jul 19

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hey, capcom updated their site on CFJ...can someone translate what it says on the left where the beta announcements were? thanx...

just adding to the number 200...

edit: nevermind, i just read the other CFJ thread....

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Krzyzewski Man785th Post

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"Re(2):193 now! HOLLA!" , posted Wed 21 Jul 19:29

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KRZYZEWSKY MAN = ANNOYING!
SANO = ANNOYING x INFINITY!
MISSPELLING KRZYZEWSKI MAN'S NAME = ANNOYING x TRIPLE INFINITY!
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Agreed on all counts.

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And Krzyzewski Man you really need to let your love for Sesame Street and the Cookie Monster go. I liked chanting "KOOKY" too like the Cookie Monster does repeatedly, when I was Five...
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...I really don't know what the jokes are anymore. National conventions are bad enough...

Anyway, if there is any actual confusion, let it be put to rest.

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cafeh2
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"Re(3):193 now! HOLLA!" , posted Wed 21 Jul 22:42

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I think it's true that Udon is drawing the endings. Udoneko didn't deny it when he responded on the srk thread and the artist link on gamefaqs was to someone who looked very Udon compatible.

Given Alvin Lee's capability for drawing bishoujo I fear for Ing-tan's ending but I know overall Udon will probably draw the best endings Capcom's ever had. I wonder if Capcom is letting them write the endings too.

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"Re(4):193 now! HOLLA!" , posted Thu 22 Jul 01:52

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I think it's true that Udon is drawing the endings. Udoneko didn't deny it when he responded on the srk thread and the artist link on gamefaqs was to someone who looked very Udon compatible.

Given Alvin Lee's capability for drawing bishoujo I fear for Ing-tan's ending but I know overall Udon will probably draw the best endings Capcom's ever had. I wonder if Capcom is letting them write the endings too.

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Well IMO I don't really like when someone else than the company itself is doing the job... I'm not telling that Udon are bad peoples (I didn't know them at all.) But those are risky, it can be so different from the game spirit.

just like in FF9 when some FMV scene drop down a bit in quality, those were made by a french team but they didn't have the full game and in some detail you can see it.

Well I suppose Capcom is doin it because of a limited team.

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"WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 01:58

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IF THIS POST IS THE 200th, THEN R-MIKA IS IN CFJ !

Or maybe not. We'll see if the internet can survive this 200 posts of unmitiged Zangi love.
Thanks to everyone who posted here, it's like the biggest achievement of my life. Now everybody go back to sleep and watch some awesome movies about Metal Gear, and refrain from posting anything else here to keep the sheer beauty of the magical 200 going.

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

whitesword1552th Post

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"Re(1):WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 02:52

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and refrain from posting anything else here to keep the sheer beauty of the magical 200 going.

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ok :)

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"whitesword IS ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 05:14

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ok :)
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BE CURSED !

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わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

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"Re(1):WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 07:23

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and refrain from posting anything else here to keep the sheer beauty of the magical 200 going.

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Can I summon the spirit of Hazzan to give this thread a golden goodbye?

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"Re(2):WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 07:56

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Can I summon the spirit of Hazzan to give this thread a golden goodbye?

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Oh, please do, I'm too shy to do it myself.

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これだけは主張しておく魂の叫び：
わたくしカエルの肛門にストローさしたり爆竹つっこんだりした経験はありません。

Hagen de Merak692th Post

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"Re(2):WE'RE ALL DOOMED" , posted Thu 22 Jul 07:58

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and refrain from posting anything else here to keep the sheer beauty of the magical 200 going.

Can I summon the spirit of Hazzan to give this thread a golden goodbye?

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I miss the little guy

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"Overtime!" , posted Thu 22 Jul 09

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KRZYZEWSKY MAN = ANNOYING!
SANO = ANNOYING x INFINITY!
MISSPELLING KRZYZEWSKI MAN'S NAME = ANNOYING x TRIPLE INFINITY!

Agreed on all counts.

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So long as you agree I'm the most annoying, I'll agree with that, we have come to terms! LOL!

Anyway, Erik Ko sent me a Private Message. He said Studio Udon is not drawing the endings to CFJ and it is just a rumor. Darn liars at Gamefaqs...

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"Re(1):Overtime!" , posted Thu 22 Jul 10:58

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Anyway, Erik Ko sent me a Private Message. He said Studio Udon is not drawing the endings to CFJ and it is just a rumor. Darn liars at Gamefaqs...

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A rumor at gamefaqs turned out to be erroneous?!

I wish I had saved Iggy's Bezerk/gamefaqs image.

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Oh, please do, I'm too shy to do it myself.

nice

MESSATSSSSSSSSSSSUSHI

TheBeast

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"Re(1):CFJ ! CFJ !" , posted Thu 22 Jul 23:50

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Zangief ! Karin ! Urien ! ANAKARIS ! NULL or whatever his name is written !
Yippie.
AND NO Gôki.
Yippie yippie.

SF2 : extremely simple, no bizarre subsystem, deal a lot of damage. 3 punch = jikansaokiagari ("delayed wake up ?")

Zero : the original combo are the key to everything. 2 strong buttons = activation.
Air gard.
Zero counter.
Ukemi.
They also seem to have supercombos.

Street 3 : blocking, leap attack, big jump, quick standing, dash. can stock up to 2 meters.

Alex vs Zangi kitaaa! Anakaris come back kitaaa! Karin vs Ingrid kitaaa! Octopus love kitaaa! Urien... Urien.

Ryû has his usual 3 moves + the fire hadôken. supers : shinkû hadôken + shinshôryûken.

VAMPIRE : ES AND EX moves !? love love love. air guard + chain combo + guard cancel + idô okiagari ("moving wake up"?) + oiuchi kôgeki (hitting the opponent on the ground).

***(add random Anakaris love here)***

I am on dial-up you fools!!!!

And to those who bother to come in to this thread to read this post, I love you.

USTASSEMMESSATSU

Rayearth
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New Customer

"Re(1):Endings?" , posted Thu 29 Jul 21:21

quote:
Someone at Gamefaqs in the Capcom Fighting Jam Board is saying that Studio Udon is providing all of the Artwork for the CFJ endings. The only ending he got a look at was Ryu fighting Gallon in his ending.

We do know that Studio Udon is working on a secret project that will delay issue 10 and Capcom gave them a special project they could not turn down. Let's see if this rumor pans out. Unfortunatly, it involves the usual "I know a friend of a friend" Gamefaqs style rumor so prolly not.

I know what Studio Udon is working on -- and it isn't the endings of CFJ unless Capcom gave them that project -also-...

ONSLAUGHT

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"New character!!!!!." , posted Thu 29 Jul 22:09

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I know what Studio Udon is working on -- and it isn't the endings of CFJ unless Capcom gave them that project -also-...

thank you

Sano

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Red Carpet Regular Member++

"Re(1):New character!!!!!." , posted Fri 30 Jul 06:42

Um... snicker... are you sure you know the secret project? It is a SECRET.

It's not SF Eternal by the way or the SF Role Playing Board Game, nor is it any kind of Marvel vs. Capcom Crossover. This much we know already, and yes the secret project is something handed to them from Capcom.