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| snkneoshingo2k3
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|  "Re(1):Ingrid"
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There is at last a pic of Ingrid's sprite in Arcadia. It's very pretty, I can't wait to see it moving.
I have no scanner, so don't ask, but I wanted to make a new thread just to point that at least the original sprite of the game looks good.
(cough cough)
...Geese...
(cough cough)
(dies spittig blood by his ears)
I can't wait to see this Iggy, I'm really curious just to see if this has only this new thing just like in the other ripoff, only that Young Geese Howard is SO better.Hey Iggy, is there anything new on SNK Playmore in this latest issue?It's unlikely that there's anything, but you never know what you can find.See you later.
PS Never mind,I just went to SNK-Capcom.com and found out there is something in the latest issue and it is the ripoff.Well, soon we'll see if this gets at least an audience.
DECEPTION BEGETS DECEPTION BEGETS DECEPTION
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| snkneoshingo2k3
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| "Re(3):re: arcadia" , posted Wed 30 Jun 09:30
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heres a question you can answer, what super bar is under her name....im anxious to see how she plays....
Ingrid's super bar is divided into three, kind of like C-ism in CvS2. Only one small picture of her is being released in the magazine, and it looks to be like a standing pre-fight pose. She looks pretty nice, though also with a very different proportion in comparison to the Chunli sprite that she's facing. (They're about the same height, but Ingrid's hip is around the height of Chunli's waist.)
The game is being directed by Hidetoshi Ishizawa (Neo_G) and produced by Kenji Itsuno. Ishizawa worked on SFA2, Vampire Savior and other fighter games, and Itsuno worked as the producer to monster hunter and an assistant producer to CvS2.
By the way, Chunli fans should take note that the latest issue of Arcadia (#051) also comes with a poster of Chunli-- the same as the main illustration in the PS2 SF3:3rd strike's official page.
Well, so the director of Devil May Cry 3 is the producer of this POS.I just can't believe that a bitch (really cool look, honestly) is the only new and interesting thing out of this shit.On the bright side, if this passes the loke test unscathed, then we may see Street Fighter 4 in the future; after all, they still do have great people who can still make fighters.We shall see. Later.
DECEPTION BEGETS DECEPTION BEGETS DECEPTION
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| Ultima 369th Post
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| "Re(3):Ingrid" , posted Wed 30 Jun 13:22
Earlier I had made a joke about Ingrid ending up a headswap of Kain, and though I wasn't really serious, I wouldn't have been surprised had such a thing come to pass. I'm glad I can put that to rest. (I also claimed that there wold be no individual sprites for Demitri's Midnight Bliss, assuming it's present in the game at all; I'm still not betting on individual MB sprites; I think it will depend on the size of the final roster).
Ingrid looks pretty swell to me (2D artwork >>>>>>>> shitty 3D model). She indeed seems to have what looks like a CFAS bar (3 levels). Since CFJ doesn't have CFAS' retarded round structure, I'm guessing that Ingrid will have access to all her supers at once, but they'll be the equivalent of Level 1 only, Level 2 only and Level 3 only. She'll probably still have her Sun Octopus finisher, complete with retarded ass motion, but it'll probably only be availlable if her opponent has less than 25% life left in the last round or something.
Anyway, I hope for her fans that they spruce up more than her looks, cuase judging from her CFAS moveslist, she would likely have been one incredibly boring character (and may still be an incredibly boring character).
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| Undead Fred 1748th Post
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| "Re(4):Ingrid" , posted Wed 30 Jun 16:32
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And here I thought just about everyone that knew what a Capcom fighting game is/was would LOVE to have something, anything, new.
Heh heh heh. Yeah. I know it's the equivalent of starving someone, and then any food at all is delicious (even if it's bargain-basement pink hotdogs on rye bread topped with spray cheese or something). I'm still interested in Ingrid, whether she turns out to be pink hotdog on rye or unagi.
I think some of the old sprites can definitely work (like the Chun-Li one), but some are begging to be re-done. And I think Capcom owes us that. I swear, I think Morrigan will collapse into herself and destroy the universe if they use that old, old sprite in one more game. Even if they just rotoscope her in a bit newer style like what they did to the old SF2 Super Champion Universe Edition characters in SFA3 (you know, just updating them, and not much else). I really think they should give us more than one new character. Anyone heard if there will be any others?
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| ONSLAUGHT 2746th Post
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| "Die fucking ingrid, diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie" , posted Wed 30 Jun 17:24
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And here I thought just about everyone that knew what a Capcom fighting game is/was would LOVE to have something, anything, new.
No, I would love ANY character, except fucking ingrid, I hate her!
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Yeah, but's he's by far the most close minded one around here. And he has problems with his posts sounding like fanboy senseless rambling.
No, actually I know a couple of guys that are a lot more close minded, they post fanboy senseless ramblings most of the time, they're just subtle and attack only when a large group of MMCafe hounds are feasting on a wounded prey.
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| rid_hershel 6090th Post
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| "my take" , posted Wed 30 Jun 17:30:
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No, actually I know a couple of guys that are a lot more close minded, they post fanboy senseless ramblings most of the time, they're just subtle and attack only when a large group of MMCafe hounds are feasting on a wounded prey.
Esta vez me cuidé de no insultarlo al menos, es un logro.
And about Ingrid, well, I like how she looks. I imagine she'll get an animation similar to the CvS2 new characters, meaning, quite good. With all the wisely selected characters (meaning: different fighting styles) for this game, this will be more interesting than NeoWave in my opinion.
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| beto 503th Post
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| "Re(1):my take" , posted Wed 30 Jun 19:21:
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With all the wisely selected characters (meaning: different fighting styles) for this game, this will be more interesting than NeoWave in my opinion.
So far, it sounds like every character in CFJ is stuck with the groove of their respective games. That makes NeoWave have a slight advantage so far, IMO - i mean, if they´ll play just like they did before, what´s the point? At least in NW i can JD with a KOF character. The NeoWave roster seems like it´ll end up bigger too.
Now, if they make changing grooves an option in CFJ, then it would win over NW easy, considering the variety.
Still, both games sound like rentals at best.
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| Grahf
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| "Re(2):my take" , posted Wed 30 Jun 19:51
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So far, it sounds like every character in CFJ is stuck with the groove of their respective games. That makes NeoWave have a slight advantage so far, IMO - i mean, if they´ll play just like they did before, what´s the point?
Now, if they make changing grooves an option in CFJ, then it would win over NW easy, considering the variety.
The one advantage I see in sticking each character with their particular groove is that the styles from each game can be represented a lot deeper than just the super move system. I'm talking about combo systems, linking and canceling rules, recovery times, etc. Like you said, it may seem pointless if they play exactly like they used to, but I think the point is we can see how the different playing styles work against each other. I'm interested to see how SF3 fighting styles match up against the classic SF2 and juggle-riffic SFA, for example. However, based on the fact that the SF3 characters all seem to have multiple, full-length super meters, and that SF2 characters have super meters at all, I imagine that some tweaks have been made here and there for balance's sake.
I think another reason that they might not allow you to choose your groove is that was pretty much the main gimmick behind CvS2. Even in that game, you got the rolls, air-blocking, dashing, etc. that went along with each groove, but in the end all these features felt like they had be generalized rather than being truly representive of their games of origin (especially on the SNK side, which is understandable).
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| EddyT 326th Post
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| "Re(3):my take" , posted Wed 30 Jun 23:42:
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So far, it sounds like every character in CFJ is stuck with the groove of their respective games. That makes NeoWave have a slight advantage so far, IMO - i mean, if they´ll play just like they did before, what´s the point?
Now, if they make changing grooves an option in CFJ, then it would win over NW easy, considering the variety.
The one advantage I see in sticking each character with their particular groove is that the styles from each game can be represented a lot deeper than just the super move system. I'm talking about combo systems, linking and canceling rules, recovery times, etc. Like you said, it may seem pointless if they play exactly like they used to, but I think the point is we can see how the different playing styles work against each other. I'm interested to see how SF3 fighting styles match up against the classic SF2 and juggle-riffic SFA, for example. However, based on the fact that the SF3 characters all seem to have multiple, full-length super meters, and that SF2 characters have super meters at all, I imagine that some tweaks have been made here and there for balance's sake.
I think another reason that they might not allow you to choose your groove is that was pretty much the main gimmick behind CvS2. Even in that game, you got the rolls, air-blocking, dashing, etc. that went along with each groove, but in the end all these features felt like they had be generalized rather than being truly representive of their games of origin (especially on the SNK side, which is understandable).
I can see how CFJ having a fixed groove for each character can be bad. Yeah, it can make characters with really high priority moves turn into a mediocre character if they are stuck in a crappy groove (maybe equalizing the game). But if that same character has the best groove in the game, it might be impossible to beat that character with the limited choices you have. Choosing grooves might have equalized things a little more. Good example is CvS2 Blanka, who is one of the best characters in the game. Playing A-Groove with most characters put him in check, though. One of the safest moves in the game (Blanka ball) could be countered a lot easier by customing after blocking, then punishing. It's possible a Blanka player can play A-Groove as well, but C, N and even K Groove seems to work more in Blanka's favor than A-Groove does.
CvS2 still suffered from uneven gameplay, though... I really hope Capcom works the kinks out a lot better and makes this game a solid one. Unfortunately, it's really hard to find a game that isn't unbalanced, even back in the day.
Onslaught: Just curious why you hate Ingrid so much? Is it because of her character design?
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| ONSLAUGHT 2753th Post
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| "Die slowly and painful ingrid, please" , posted Wed 30 Jun 23:52:
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Onslaught: Just curious why you hate Ingrid so much? Is it because of her character design?
Well, actually, I hate her for several reasons.
First, I don't like cute girls.
I would normaly ignore a character like this, but I'm sick of everyone bashing the game but ejaculating at the mere mention of ingrid... I mean, what's so special about her? This is the reason why I hate shiki as well, it's most likely that nobody played with her before (and I doubt that an appareance on a pocket game might lead you to worship a character), yet everyone had an orgasm when she was included in SvC...
And I don't buy that "Oh, but we're so excited about ingrid because she's a new character in a game full of recicled characters" argument, because let's be frank, how many of you were excited about the inclusion of Eagle, Todo or Raiden in CvS2 for example? that's right nobody (except me, of course).
"there's nothing to look forward in this game, except for ingrid"
"I wouldn't give a crap about this game if ingrid wasn't there"
"oh damn, can't wait to play ingrid"
"awesome, ingrid is a cool adition"
"etc"
That gets on my nerves, seriously.
And before someone comes and tell me that hating a character before playing with it is retarded, then I would say that loving a character before playing with it is equally retarded.
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| Iggy 3613th Post
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| "Re(6):Ingrid" , posted Thu 1 Jul 01:58:
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the CFAS super meter gives me a lot more hope that there will be others. It seems like it would be a waste to give the CFAS "groove" to just one character, so it really wouldn't surprise me if they had a whole CFAS team.
Since the game seems to work by team of 2 characters, I bet she will be teamed with another CFA☆ character ; and since Luke/Rook has been seen in the background, bets are on DD's head.
That, or it can be the groove of the other bonus characters, from the versus games, Kyôsuke, or (gasp!) entirely new characters.
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No, I would love ANY character, except fucking ingrid, I hate her!
Don't mind him, he's a little angry because Ingrid raped his domestic jellyfish.
And the mention of Tôdô in CvS2 had me ejaculating all over the place.
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The NeoWave roster seems like itｴll end up bigger too.
You're being charitable... There is no way this game will have as many characters as Nowave, even without his mysterious 7 hidden characters.
About the groove selection : I guess it will be in a sequel, even though the guys in the interview don't seem that hot on doing it. If the final consumer version dosn't have some sort of groove edit like Third Strike or CvS2, I'm sure they are keeping it for the sequel.
On a side note, there is a little something in Arcadia that could hint that Karin and Gôki may, I insist, MAY EVENTUALLY MAYBE HAVE A CHANCE TO, be in the game.
While nobody will be surprised by Gôki, if Karin is really there... Oh, well, I would have prefered Mika. I hope I'm wrong about the "4 characters by game" rule.
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| NARUTO 2410th Post
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| "Re(4):Die slowly and painfuly ingrid, please" , posted Thu 1 Jul 02:13
For what I remember of CFAs when I've pleyed it, is that your power bar is liken to you life bar. It is some how a mix between SFA X-ism and Darkstalker system.
The game didn't have rounds, each time a player lose a life bar he fall down and gets up just after, and the winner keep is old Life bar, (A la DS) and this with 3 life bar, each characters seems to have 2 super (maybe more but then no full moves list where given..) and as you see 3 slot in the power bar.
Now super are like in SFA they have levels the more your power bar is full the more high level you can do, the problem is that you power bar is locked to level one.
To go in higher level you "need" to lose, in fact your "1st" life bar is green like the 1 level power bar, when you lose your 1st Life bar the 2nd in yellow and it "unlock" the level 2 at your power bar, and the last red life bar will unlock your level 3 power bar.
So each time you lose you'll become more powerfull...
As for Ingrid all I remember when I fight her was a counter move. Somehow she remeinds me KOF athena in her gameplay, she's fast with wierd move, she got a move similar to Athena's "crystal wall" except that it was shorter (1/3 of athena's one) and it you hit it you were slamed on the ground (the game was 3D then so in 2D don't know how it'll work) And If I'm right she go a fireball super. Since I was playing as D.D. I didn't saw many thing with her.
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| Jason
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| "Re(4):my take" , posted Thu 1 Jul 11:22:
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Good example is CvS2 Blanka, who is one of the best characters in the game. Playing A-Groove with most characters put him in check, though. One of the safest moves in the game (Blanka ball) could be countered a lot easier by customing after blocking, then punishing. It's possible a Blanka player can play A-Groove as well, but C, N and even K Groove seems to work more in Blanka's favor than A-Groove does.
Urrr? Gotta take a little issue with this. There is a very specific set of moves that can counter a blocked blanka ball, some of which rely upon late blocking to take advantage of the fact that characters are thinner while standing than while blocking. Activation of a cc doesn't give any sort of extra speed or range to moves, so characters who can punish the ball would do so without being in A groove, and characters who cannot do not gain any marked advantage by choosing a groove. I mean, a-sak gains a huge character specific weapon in the fact that her shou-shou-shou cc cannot be counter-attacked, and thus, if blanka isn't in n, is all but guarenteed to do a crap load of damage, but that's just her. Regardless of all of that, Blanka isn't good in cvs2 because of the blanka ball (otherwise, he'd lose to the characters who can easily counter it), it's all the other stupid crap he can do. RC electricity, straight up j.hp, rc jungle hop, c.hp, etc, etc. And he's a beast in a groove. Activation off of rc electricity, stupid easy slide starter, blah. Yeah, he loses his lvl3 lightning ball super (edit: oh right, and low jump stuff. I do hate blanka with a low jump), but if they jump, just cc them and do 8000 damage anyway.
I don't like blanka.
oh yeah, ingrid? meh.
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| EddyT 331th Post
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| "Re(5):my take" , posted Thu 1 Jul 13:24:
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Urrr? Gotta take a little issue with this. There is a very specific set of moves that can counter a blocked blanka ball, some of which rely upon late blocking to take advantage of the fact that characters are thinner while standing than while blocking. Activation of a cc doesn't give any sort of extra speed or range to moves, so characters who can punish the ball would do so without being in A groove, and characters who cannot do not gain any marked advantage by choosing a groove. I mean, a-sak gains a huge character specific weapon in the fact that her shou-shou-shou cc cannot be counter-attacked, and thus, if blanka isn't in n, is all but guarenteed to do a crap load of damage, but that's just her. Regardless of all of that, Blanka isn't good in cvs2 because of the blanka ball (otherwise, he'd lose to the characters who can easily counter it), it's all the other stupid crap he can do. RC electricity, straight up j.hp, rc jungle hop, c.hp, etc, etc. And he's a beast in a groove. Activation off of rc electricity, stupid easy slide starter, blah. Yeah, he loses his lvl3 lightning ball super (edit: oh right, and low jump stuff. I do hate blanka with a low jump), but if they jump, just cc them and do 8000 damage anyway.
I don't like blanka.
I guess I didn't word that right. I know there are moves that some characters in CvS2 have that can counter Blanka's ball... but there are some that normally can't at all. Someone used to have a site online (but took it down recently) that showed that some of those characters could punish the ball when using A-Groove. They would start by blocking high (just like you said, the block stun window is smaller if blocked high), then with activation, they would be able to move forward a bit faster to start an A-Groove combo before Blanka landed.
I know Blanka has more than one really good move (which is why he is considered one of the best in the game), but I was just trying to find a simple example of how a character changing grooves could at least counter or be more effective against certain tactics.
Sorry, I'm not a pro at CvS2.
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| Sano 768th Post
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| "Ingrid's 'story' thus far." , posted Fri 2 Jul 09:43:
Iggy I'll help your Spanish Lessons along. "Tome una botella de chinga tu Madre!"
I insult you lightly, you insult me harshly, I insult you even harsher and of course I'm seen as the bad guy when we are both at fault. Typical.
ANYWAY - A good friend Vasili10 over at SRK translated what Arcadia said about Ingrid in last month's Issue.
"It says that the secret of her birth, the reason for fighting, everything's a complete mystery. However, it also says she's a truly new character type and it seems to emphasize wonderous "noryoku," which normally means talented or having the capacity or knack for something but it's printed with quotes so they might be stressing not power, what the two kanji would say if you broke the pair apart. In any case, I think she'll be a pretty face hiding a deceptive non-intuitive fighting style kind of in the same boat as Karin for techniques."
At this point I feel, she may or may not be an 'Eternal Goddess' like she was (at least in name) in CFAS.
And big up to the Legendary Stick-Click. The page in question -
Link Here
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| Rugalbernstein 5114th Post
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| "Re(3):CAPKOM IS DISCRIMANATE" , posted Tue 6 Jul 17:09:
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Anyway, I hope you guys know that I am only half joking here, I mean Japanese games always stereotype any character who isn't Japanese.
(Not joking at all here) Go play Kasumi Ninja, Ultra Vortek, and Fight for Life, THEN tell me who stereotypes based on nationality. ;D YEH MON! (blows ganjah smoke in your face!!)
And anyway.. who cares, they're fighting games, not Sesame Street. I find British stereotypes hilarious, not offensive. Let's go watch UFC, is every possible country on the face of the Earth and beyond represented? Are certain styles more prevalent than others? Hmm..
Edit: But.. but.. Liechtenstein!!
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