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"SF Issue no.8" , posted Tue 15 Jun 17:43post reply


Dunno if there was a thread about this already,but I have a quick question.

What happens to Cammy in this issue? She's in Delta Red again right? I seen the cover and it got me really excited (who's the artist for this,sure isn't Tsang).






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"Re(1):SF Issue no.8" , posted Tue 15 Jun 19:52post reply


quote:
Dunno if there was a thread about this already,but I have a quick question.

What happens to Cammy in this issue? She's in Delta Red again right? I seen the cover and it got me really excited (who's the artist for this,sure isn't Tsang).



Yes she's in Delta Red. Storyline is progressing to SF2 now I think. I missed issue 7, but am gonna pick it up tomorrow, so I don't know how things crossed from the pre-SF2 stuff to this.






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"Re(2):SF Issue no.8" , posted Tue 15 Jun 20:21post reply


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Yes she's in Delta Red. Storyline is progressing to SF2 now I think. I missed issue 7, but am gonna pick it up tomorrow, so I don't know how things crossed from the pre-SF2 stuff to this.



They didnīt.

Udon made Cammy already part of the team, then... did a flashback to when she joined.

Yes, itīs as stupid as it sounds - and they make it even worse with the Ryu/Ken/Eliza stuff. Everybody thinks back on things that happened a month or two back (also known as "issue 6").

Considering the Cammy/Rose thing in previous issues, itīs pretty clear they have no sense of development.

Things just... happen. "Off-screen", even.

Not only we have things happenning in-between issues without any clarification or set-up, but we also have back-up stories being mentioned directly in the main plot (Ryu/Sagat and Charlie/Guile).

The writing in this comic would make even the Alpha 3 team cry.





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"Re(3):SF Issue no.8" , posted Tue 15 Jun 20:46post reply


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Yes she's in Delta Red. Storyline is progressing to SF2 now I think. I missed issue 7, but am gonna pick it up tomorrow, so I don't know how things crossed from the pre-SF2 stuff to this.


They didnīt.

Udon made Cammy already part of the team, then... did a flashback to when she joined.

Yes, itīs as stupid as it sounds - and they make it even worse with the Ryu/Ken/Eliza stuff. Everybody thinks back on things that happened a month or two back (also known as "issue 6").

Considering the Cammy/Rose thing in previous issues, itīs pretty clear they have no sense of development.

Things just... happen. "Off-screen", even.

Not only we have things happenning in-between issues without any clarification or set-up, but we also have back-up stories being mentioned directly in the main plot (Ryu/Sagat and Charlie/Guile).

The writing in this comic would make even the Alpha 3 team cry.



Even so, I have to disagree with you. I've enjoyed the story in the comic and even if time skipped a little to this point between 6 and 7, I have enjoyed it and think the writing isn't that bad.






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"Re(4):SF Issue no.8" , posted Tue 15 Jun 21:09post reply


I don't know. I have mixed feelings about the series. The story seems mostly coherent but the Cammy part is a little confusing (maybe I should reread my issues). How exactly did she arrive in Delta Red (comic book wise)?

I was hoping the writers would follow SF cannon strictly but maybe that was an unfair expectation. But this comic certainly does not strictly follow SF cannon.

Right now I actually think the early issues were more enjoyable because of all the fight scenes. I guess things are heating up with the battle we're sure to get in issue 9.



Spoiler (Highlight to view) -

Ryu versus Adon


End of Spoiler



I actually wouldn't mind having lengthly battle scenes. The first few issues were perfectly plotted IMO-- with the right mixture of fighting and plot development. Then we sorta got into just boring plot development with little to no fighting. But I wouldn't mind having a lot of fighting even if the story went very slow and afterall, the story should go slow cause there aint that much of a story! What do you guys think? What do you guys favor?






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"Re(5):SF Issue no.8" , posted Tue 15 Jun 21:31post reply


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What do you guys think? What do you guys favor?



I think theyīre too worried about showing new characters (What was the point of Honda/Vega? All that just to introduce Sakura? What was the point of Birdie/Guile? All that just to introduce Chun-li?) and new moves.

So many characters appeared already, and all they did was take time from the main characters - Ryu, Ken, Chun, Guile, Cammy.

There isnīt a single character (even the leads) that you can look and say "now that character got some nice development there".

On the other hand, itīs very easy to pick scenes that served no real purpose.

If those were dropped, maybe the pages couldīve been used to extend some dialogues or properly introduce characters.

Who is Sagat again? Oh, that guy from the back-up!

And this Fei-Long fella? Some random guy quoting Bruce Lee.

The purple woman touching Cammyīs forehead? Some... purple woman, i guess.

And so on and on and on. Thatīs what the comic feels like.

You jump to Cammy in action, then LATER you see a flashback. A really short, shitty, under-written, cliché-ridden flashback. Why go back to a flashback, when itīs been like... two months or so? Why couldnīt they just show it to us as it happened?

Whatīs the rush?

Best thing in the comic so far was Ryu and Ken talking while walking to the grave. That was dialogue. Not exposition. Just dialogue.

Something comics are supposed to have.





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"Re(5):SF Issue no.8" , posted Tue 15 Jun 23:02post reply


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I was hoping the writers would follow SF cannon strictly but maybe that was an unfair expectation. But this comic certainly does not strictly follow SF cannon.



I figured that if the comic followed the canon, you'd see the story jumping all over the place in a rather incoherent fashion because the Street Fighter canon is actually multiple storylines that only criss cross every once in a while if at all.

...the problem being that the comic sorta does that now, anyways.





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"Re(3):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 01:51post reply


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The writing in this comic would make even the Alpha 3 team cry.



Oh ow.

I haven't followed this comic at all, but it sounds like there's some serious issues at hand if they have to tell the whole dang thing through flashbacks...

Street Fighter canon is only a thing to stick to for the gist of things like character roles etc, as it was never very well-written to begin with, with some parts downright silly (e.g. Guile). I'd rather they wrote a whole new GOOD story rather than just trying to tell us once more what we've suffered through so many times over the years with SF.

Squeezing in too many characters out of a feeling of obligation to the established character base is usually a bad thing. My favourite example must surely be the Fist of the North Star movie, where they were in a rush to include and slaughter EVERY SINGLE significant villain ever shown in the first saga in the course of 2 hours or so. Characters which Kenshiro fought for literally episodes were reduced to, "No! We don't have time to waste looking for her! What? No! Argh!". Dreamwave I think must be one of the only companies to deal with this in an at least decent way in their Transformers vs. GI Joe mini-series. Very few characters in that actually got much in the way of real development (you have Snake Eyes, and then everyone else... and who the heck was Grunt, anyway?), but it could have been much, much worse.





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"Re(4):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 03:28post reply


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I haven't followed this comic at all, but it sounds like there's some serious issues at hand if they have to tell the whole dang thing through flashbacks...



Only the parts that aren't happening at the time.

So for the Cammy/Rose thing is my only complaint. It's one thing to explain things that happened in an absence of time, but not showing important events that supposedly happened WHILE you were watching something else happen, that's kinda silly. But that's one part of one issue. Everything else I've had no problem with.





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"Re(6):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 07:51post reply


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I think theyīre too worried about showing new characters (What was the point of Honda/Vega? All that just to introduce Sakura? What was the point of Birdie/Guile? All that just to introduce Chun-li?) and new moves.

So many characters appeared already, and all they did was take time from the main characters - Ryu, Ken, Chun, Guile, Cammy.


SF is so decentralized -unlike KoF it doesn't have the chutzpah to have something like a "hero team"- that it could be argued that there are 70 or so main characters. The story could just as easily focus on Sagat's moral quandry after he loses to Ryu or do something odd like have Dan and Blanka go on a zany road trip when they try to go buy some White Castle hamburgers. Not having an obvious main character works great for a fighting game, since that way whatever character the player is using is the "main" character, but it makes adaptations a tricky proposition.

For my money Udon is doing the best they can with the situation: since every character is someone's favorite make sure as many characters as possible show up, make them look good, and have them kick each other in the head. That's a shallow approach but it's preferrable to other ham-handed adaptations. My personal fave example of that is the Fatal Fury 2 anime. To this day I can't decide whether Terry's drinking problem was simply ridiculous or flat-out offensive.

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Whatīs the rush?



How long do they have the license? Odds are they want to cover as much ground as possible while they have the rights to the characters and since Udon can only produce so many pages of SF comics a month it's not surprising things are getting compressed.





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"Re(7):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 10:41post reply


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To this day I can't decide whether Terry's drinking problem was simply ridiculous or flat-out offensive.



It was both.






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"Re(7):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 11:21post reply


They have the License for 3 years. Editor Erik Ko said they might extend it if sales remain good in 3 years.

It's my favorite Comic on the stands now, but that's just me.





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"RUSH!" , posted Wed 16 Jun 11:21post reply


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How long do they have the license? Odds are they want to cover as much ground as possible while they have the rights to the characters and since Udon can only produce so many pages of SF comics a month it's not surprising things are getting compressed.



3 years but they are fully capable of renewing it and to my knowledge Capcom really enjoys what has been done so renewal shouldn't be a problem.





We all know that Sakura and Karin didn't enter the SF3 tourney because underneath the tights they're duct taped to Chun's legs...

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"Re(1):RUSH!" , posted Wed 16 Jun 11:34post reply


Roughly, because things change, the story is set up like this, more or less.

1-12 - Alpha Story Arc
13-24 - SF2 Story Arc
25-36 - SF3 Story Arc

- but if the comic's run gets extended, who knows? Perhaps by some miracle SF4 will be out in 3 years? Or they can start mixing and matching and have fights like Mike Bison vs. Dudley and such. Well, nothing's written in stone.





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"Re(5):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 11:39post reply


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I haven't followed this comic at all, but it sounds like there's some serious issues at hand if they have to tell the whole dang thing through flashbacks...


Only the parts that aren't happening at the time.

So for the Cammy/Rose thing is my only complaint. It's one thing to explain things that happened in an absence of time, but not showing important events that supposedly happened WHILE you were watching something else happen, that's kinda silly. But that's one part of one issue. Everything else I've had no problem with.



I haven't read any of the issues yet,I'm so behind. So I know nothing of the Cammy/Rose thing. What's Rose's roll in the Cammy storyline of the comic?

I like Delta Red Cammy. Well,her storyline and stuff. For beauty and fighting skills,I prefer Shadoloo Cammy. She's got more of a ninja fighting style to her there.






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"Re(8):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 13:59:post reply


Rose stands around and says some mumbo-jumbo, while Cammy is passed-out.

The end.

No introductions, no set-up. Sheīs just there.

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It's my favorite Comic on the stands now, but that's just me.



Iīll assume itīs the only comic youīre reading. Because i canīt think of a single maintream comic (Marvel/DC/Image) worse than this one. Not even from Top Cow or McFarlane.

Maybe one of the Dreamwave titles? I donīt read those.

I may like SF2 and SF3 a lot, but this comic is just painful to read.

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For my money Udon is doing the best they can with the situation: since every character is someone's favorite make sure as many characters as possible show up, make them look good, and have them kick each other in the head. That's a shallow approach but it's preferrable to other ham-handed adaptations.


Iīll take two or three nicely-written characters over 20 awfully-written ones.

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How long do they have the license? Odds are they want to cover as much ground as possible while they have the rights to the characters and since Udon can only produce so many pages of SF comics a month it's not surprising things are getting compressed.



Iīll take a nicely-written Alpha over awfully-written SFA, SF2 and SF3.





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"Re(9):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 14:03post reply


I read lots of comic books. All the X-Men books, DC Comics, lots of Manga, etc. I'll get specific if you really want me to.

Surprise! People have different opinions.





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"Re(10):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 14:12:post reply


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I read lots of comic books. All the X-Men books, DC Comics, lots of Manga, etc. I'll get specific if you really want me to.

Surprise! People have different opinions.



Good writing is good writing, bad writing is bad writing - regardless of how you feel about the subject.

Noone in their right mind can say the writing in SF is better than say, Powers or Invincible.

If you feel the fact SF has Ryu doing Shoryukens makes it better than ALL other comics (most of them with better writing)... Have fun. It wonīt change the quality of the writing.





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"Re(7):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 14:15post reply


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do something odd like have Dan and Blanka go on a zany road trip when they try to go buy some White Castle hamburgers.



I'd pretty much have to go out and buy this immediately if this arc showed up.

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To this day I can't decide whether Terry's drinking problem was simply ridiculous or flat-out offensive.



Could you expand on this? My only knowledge of those movies is the one they showed on the SciFi channel about 10 years ago in which they edited stuff out. This sounds pretty funny.






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"Re(8):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 14:19post reply


Hungrywolf is missing one pantleg.

Boxing dog told you that.

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Could you expand on this? My only knowledge of those movies is the one they showed on the SciFi channel about 10 years ago in which they edited stuff out. This sounds pretty funny.








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"Re(2):Re(10):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 14:22post reply


Geez Louise, don't you get tired? You don't like the comic, stop buying it. You buy every single issue, complain about it to Erik Ko, he continues to ignore you on a Monthly Basis, give up. You're Posts are not going to change anything. The overall On-Line opinion is still positive.

So, what you think is good writing is good writing and what you think is bad writing is bad writing? Maybe the comic should be more like your favorite Manga Slam Dunk. Perhaps they need to refer to Deejay as a Gorilla a few times like Slam Dunk.

What one thinks is good writing is good writing to them, what one thinks is bad writing is bad writting to them. Don't you realize that the vast majority of the literate public think all comics are written badly/for kids? It's all in the eye of the beholder.





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"Re(8):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 15:13post reply


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Could you expand on this? My only knowledge of those movies is the one they showed on the SciFi channel about 10 years ago in which they edited stuff out. This sounds pretty funny.



Terry's drunken escapde happened during the second OVA.



Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
Krauser challenges Terry and kicks his ass badly. Terry gets scared and thinks there is not point in fighting anymore so pretty much for more than half of the film Terry is in and out of bars and a kid,whom he met earlier, tries to encourage him to fight again.

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"Re(9):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 18:07post reply


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Hungrywolf is missing one pantleg.

Boxing dog told you that.



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! The secret is out!!!



I always wondered why that kid Tony had one pantsleg, was that some supercool style in Japan or did they think kids in America wore jeans like that?






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"Re(7):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 21:39post reply


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The story could just as easily focus on Sagat's moral quandry after he loses to Ryu or do something odd like have Dan and Blanka go on a zany road trip when they try to go buy some White Castle hamburgers.



The Sagat one would be a great comic... if it wouldn't confuse most causal SF players who don't know Capcom reformed Sagat, they'd be all "WHAT?! How can a villian be having a moral delema about trying to kill the hero?! This is stupid!!! He should just fight him and get his ass kicked since Ryu is undeatable and beat Sagat the first time with no problems what so ever!!!"

The Dan and Blanka one is absolutely perfect... does Capcom viciously attack people who use their copyrights in a non-profit manor? I'd love to do a web-comic with that premise





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"Re(8):SF Issue no.8" , posted Wed 16 Jun 22:07post reply


I always thought the goofy adventures of Dan, Sakura, and Blanka would make for a fun comedy series, myself (throw in grumpy surly Kei if you want, too). But alas, the Street Fighter comic as it is wouldn't have room for such a thing.

In an ideal world, it'd be broken up into multiple comic series. One for Final Fight, one for Ryu (maybe slap the Chun and Guile stuff in there too, or give them their own comic but that's stretching things), one for Cammy (she sure as heck has enough canon npcs for it), one for Dan Sakura Blanka, etc etc.

But alas, this is not an ideal world and no sane business man would do something like that.





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