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| Jason
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|  "Re(1):Images from Capcom Early Days!"
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Buncha jerks. Yeah, yeah, so they thought Makoto was Sakura, big deal, it still makes me . . . I dunno, see, I trust most news sources when it comes to facts about stuff I don't really know about; when they suddenly spout off falsehoods about stuff I do know about, it just makes me sad. 'course, we're talkin' about PSM here, but still, someone got paid to write that caption.
I knew I would do it and I know this I know what I am doing now that I am doing something both beautiful but gruesome because I am destroying its beauty by knowing that it might be beautiful know that if I know that I am dong something beautiful that it's no longer beautiful. - Dave Eggers A.H.W.O.S.G.
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| Undead Fred 1706th Post
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| "Re(2):Images from Capcom Early Days!" , posted Tue 15 Jun 16:38
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Buncha jerks. Yeah, yeah, so they thought Makoto was Sakura, big deal, it still makes me . . . I dunno, see, I trust most news sources when it comes to facts about stuff I don't really know about; when they suddenly spout off falsehoods about stuff I do know about, it just makes me sad. 'course, we're talkin' about PSM here, but still, someone got paid to write that caption.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I gave up PSM. The price got to be toward $8 per issue instead of $5 (not that it was THAT big of a deal), but I got tired of all the bad grammar and typos, fanboy talk, and just plain wrong info. This Makoto/ Sakura thing's just the most recent example.
I lost a lot of respect for the magazine too when they quit having original cover art made. I didn't care if it sucked or not- it was a NEW IMAGE. It wasn't the usual lazy "grab the game graphic everyone's seen a billion times and stick it on the cover" method of cover design I had seen before PSM's days. Then... all of a sudden... they just stopped doing it and slapped pre-made company-issued character renders on the cover. I hadn't seen a fan art section in forever, either, and cool inserts like posters and stickers and stuff are long gone. Now, I don't know if those particular features have come back since I "quit PSM," but I doubt they are. Typos and bad grammar are totally inexcuseable for printed media like magazines and newspapers. That's their job- typing correctly. They lose credibility when they throw in the old classic "you're instead of your" thing or putting apostrophies on non-possessive words or anything like that. I'm sorry, that's the way it works. It's not like they even have to spell correctly these days, either... just hit spell check and do a quick proof-read. Aside from all that, they're massive fanboys to boot. Anything with wrestling or wrestlers is automatically bad-ass, and PS2 has already won the console war and they have proof. They don't even bother to give the other consoles credit (or in the console wars article, notice that the PS2 had at least a year's head start on the other competitors).
Bleh. Sorry, I'm in a RANTY mood today.
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| Sano 695th Post
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| "Re(2):Images from Capcom Early Days!" , posted Tue 15 Jun 17:03
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Seems at one point there was going to be an angel in Darkstalkers. Sad since that would have been neat in comparison to the majority of darker characters.
I beleive that is an early version of what Lilith was supposed to look like until the idea got scrapped.
Overall I agree. All current USA Video Game Magazines suck, which is why I rely on the Internet for news. Still I brought this Magazine for the SF Swimsuit art, and buy Magazines occasionally to be reminded why they suck.
But in general, they are not the only people who get things wrong. Remember CFAS? on the Net, one guy confused Alex for Adon and another mistaked Poison for Rose, causing a slew of rumors both were in the game. History repeats itself, as for CFJ Net people confused Ingrid for Karin and Warzard Characters for Breath of Fire Characters causing rumors yet again. Sadly, people who report on Games obviously do not care or know that much about 2D games and their characters nowadays, and it's really sad. So for news as usual, visit MMCAFE and use Video Game Magazines to line your Bird Cages.
I should have more images tommorow, or you can check the last link I posted and search for Posts made a few Posts later for Aerialgroove's Post.
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| Undead Fred 1707th Post
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| "Re(3):Images from Capcom Early Days!" , posted Tue 15 Jun 17:29
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But in general, they are not the only people who get things wrong. Remember CFAS? on the Net, one guy confused Alex for Adon and another mistaked Poison for Rose, causing a slew of rumors both were in the game. History repeats itself, as for CFJ Net people confused Ingrid for Karin and Warzard Characters for Breath of Fire Characters causing rumors yet again. Sadly, people who report on Games obviously do not care or know that much about 2D games and their characters nowadays, and it's really sad. So for news as usual, visit MMCAFE and use Video Game Magazines to line your Bird Cages.
Well, the reason why I don't really hold it against a web page as opposed to a magazine is because the internet's so full of mistakes anyway that it's like having an 8-year-old compulsive liar following you around and then offering to sell you whatever he's carrying in his backpack for $100. You can't totally trust anything you find online. There are reliable news sites and reliable sources online, but there's so much crap and bad information and mistakes that the internet's credibility is low. Magazines are different because they're PRINTED media. They're supposed to check things out because they have to take things to the printing press and they don't want to find out that there's a massive mistake on page 6 when they've already printed a million copies. It's not easily changed at that point. Since they report things to their readers and give opinions on games, they want to be believed so people will have a reason to keep coming back to hear what they have to say. When they can't even get characters' names right or type like an AOL kid, people will think they're stupid and won't come back anymore. If you have a webpage and there's a mistake, it's easy. You notice it, or you get an e-mail from a reader that noticed the mistake, and you change the HTML to say the right thing and re-post it. Problem solved.
At least that swimsuit picture of the SF girls was done well, even though it was a little mis-labeled.
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| Undead Fred 1720th Post
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| "Re(4):Images from Capcom Early Days!" , posted Fri 18 Jun 01:40
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Forget that "they should have known because Sakura's not even in the game"... they COMMISSIONED the damn picture didn't they?!?!
It's not like Capcom sent them a picture of the girls of SF2/3 surfing or something they had to go out and find an artist to draw that for them... it makes me wonder how they asked for the picture.
Well, I'm pretty sure they had an artist in mind that they wanted to feature (I've seen Ryan Kinnaird's stuff in PSM a LOT, for example) and they just said "Draw some boobs. Draw Street Fighter boobs. KTHXBYE"
There's also the possibility that the guy who did the image had put some kind of request in to do an image for them, but I really really really doubt they said "Draw these particular girls doing this, this, and this." Back in the days when they had original cover art, the artist for that month's cover would submit concept sketches/ thumbnails of ideas, PSM would pick something they liked, then the artist would refine that idea until we had the cover seen on the magazine. They're more open-ended in terms of what they want the artists to do... They pick from the artists' ideas, rather than coming up with crappy ideas for the artists and making them do those.
I remember month after month getting irritated at their commentary over the cover process- they'd throw out good ideas simply because "there's no place to put the text" on the cover, since apparently their graphic design program was a magical orignal program that couldn't lay text over images to any degree. I mean, not covering up the artwork is one thing, but a little overlapping of less important parts wouldn't hurt anything.
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| Dr Baghead 3069th Post
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| "Re(5):Images from Capcom Early Days!" , posted Fri 18 Jun 14:01
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Well, I'm pretty sure they had an artist in mind that they wanted to feature (I've seen Ryan Kinnaird's stuff in PSM a LOT, for example) and they just said "Draw some boobs. Draw Street Fighter boobs. KTHXBYE"
There's also the possibility that the guy who did the image had put some kind of request in to do an image for them, but I really really really doubt they said "Draw these particular girls doing this, this, and this." Back in the days when they had original cover art, the artist for that month's cover would submit concept sketches/ thumbnails of ideas, PSM would pick something they liked, then the artist would refine that idea until we had the cover seen on the magazine. They're more open-ended in terms of what they want the artists to do... They pick from the artists' ideas, rather than coming up with crappy ideas for the artists and making them do those.
I remember month after month getting irritated at their commentary over the cover process- they'd throw out good ideas simply because "there's no place to put the text" on the cover, since apparently their graphic design program was a magical orignal program that couldn't lay text over images to any degree. I mean, not covering up the artwork is one thing, but a little overlapping of less important parts wouldn't hurt anything.
I completely forgot about how the old covers were done... so I guess it's very likely the artist researched who was in the game, drew them, and PSM had no clue who was in the picture they paid for. And that's just sad really.
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I wish I could frame it for my wall. I already made it a desktop background