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Gojira

1457th Post

Red Carpet Executive Member

"Arrrrrrrrrr" , posted Sat 12 Jun 02:23

What? You think you're special? You're just another one o those one-eyed parrot-feeding grog-sipping poopdeck monkeys

Somehow I expected the number to be a lot higher but hey, it's still pretty impressive. Every year I get more and more impressed with how widespread and out-of-control this has gotten.

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Luisinan

944th Post

Red Carpet Regular Member++

"Re(1):Arrrrrrrrrr" , posted Sat 12 Jun 03:06

quote:
What? You think you're special? You're just another one o those one-eyed parrot-feeding grog-sipping poopdeck monkeys

Somehow I expected the number to be a lot higher but hey, it's still pretty impressive. Every year I get more and more impressed with how widespread and out-of-control this has gotten.

I am so tired of this (I'm talking about piracy). But you know what really pisses me off, is when adult gamers-- that is people who have already graduated from high school, engage in these hijinks. Its like, you can get a full time job and you still want to rip people off? Give me a break. But that's just my opinion.

Anyway, whatever. My opinion on piracy in general varies. But I won't go into it. Suffice it say, I have friends and family who do it, and I think its just ridiculous, stupid and selfish. But whatever.

Oh yeah, last thing. Some people say content should be free. I say, only if the content provider allows it to be free. Otherwise, ya don't got the right to take it.

Radish

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Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master

"Re(2):Arrrrrrrrrr" , posted Sat 12 Jun 06:11:

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Oh yeah, last thing. Some people say content should be free. I say, only if the content provider allows it to be free. Otherwise, ya don't got the right to take it.

I don't understand this argument. It's like if I walked into Fry's and said that their toasters should be free then walked out with one.

PRE ARGUMENT EDIT: yes I understand the difference between the way a store ACTUALLY loses a product and copying software but the sentiment is still the same.

[this message was edited by Radish on Sat 12 Jun 06:13]

Toxico

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Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master

"Re(3):Arrrrrrrrrr" , posted Sat 12 Jun 07:30

Well, I don't plan to insult or anything but these numbers are quite low ;P
Here in Chile we got nothing but 100% illegal PC games; there is no original product, and no one buy its... furthermore, no one sells original games.

The only few times that I have seen original PC games is when I enter a ciber cafe, they buy the real thing to avoid legal problems.

Then again, it's the same with PSX games, the only original games that I have seen are the ones that I own XD

.... And Gojira, your clever yet insulting comment about monkeys..... t.a.k.e.i.t.b.a.c.k..... Pretty please?? XD

Tekkenshu -> Los movimientos que nunca existieron y siempre quisistes tener!

Burning Ranger

814th Post

Red Carpet Regular Member+

"Dumb..." , posted Sat 12 Jun 09:04

...this coming from a corporate controlled online news source...of course you're gonna see a story whining about lost profits and widespread piracy. Remember--our mass media, even though its supposedly free, will be the mouthpiece of the corporate dominated industry.

But it makes you wonder: the industry knows its losing money. They know piracy is widespread. But instead of wasting more money trying to support the status quo, why don't they try something else that will make the average John Q. Public not hate them?

Advanced Cyborg E. Branger AKA Burning Ranger

"Never underestimate the predictabilty of stupidity." -Vinnie Jones from SNATCH

TeirusuCSS
73th Post

Occasional Customer

"Re(1):Dumb..." , posted Sat 12 Jun 10:33

Question: Why haven't ANY of these companies taken down SuprNova yet? If you want to kill piracy, might as well start at one of the biggest sources.

Cats? I much prefer foxes.

Burning Ranger

816th Post

Red Carpet Regular Member+

"Re(2):Dumb..." , posted Sat 12 Jun 11:50

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Question: Why haven't ANY of these companies taken down SuprNova yet? If you want to kill piracy, might as well start at one of the biggest sources.

Or, why don't they have a crack-team of super internet-savvy hyper hacker people that can identify any new P2P system out there and kill it before it reaches popularity?

As for Suprnova... I'm guessing its primarily based in Europe, but from what I can tell, no one knows where exactly it originates.

Advanced Cyborg E. Branger AKA Burning Ranger

"Never underestimate the predictabilty of stupidity." -Vinnie Jones from SNATCH

Henaki
146th Post

Regular Customer

"Re(3):Dumb..." , posted Sat 12 Jun 15:45

quote:
Question: Why haven't ANY of these companies taken down SuprNova yet? If you want to kill piracy, might as well start at one of the biggest sources.

Or, why don't they have a crack-team of super internet-savvy hyper hacker people that can identify any new P2P system out there and kill it before it reaches popularity?

As for Suprnova... I'm guessing its primarily based in Europe, but from what I can tell, no one knows where exactly it originates.

SuprNova is hosted on various mirrors, some of them on Comcast accounts, others on foreign sites. It would be hard to fight a site that changes its source almost weekly.

So...how about those...things....

Gojira

1458th Post

Red Carpet Executive Member

"Re(1):Dumb..." , posted Sat 12 Jun 16:53

quote:
...this coming from a corporate controlled online news source...of course you're gonna see a story whining about lost profits and widespread piracy. Remember--our mass media, even though its supposedly free, will be the mouthpiece of the corporate dominated industry.

But it makes you wonder: the industry knows its losing money. They know piracy is widespread. But instead of wasting more money trying to support the status quo, why don't they try something else that will make the average John Q. Public not hate them?

The industry can never make the public happy. All those that have tried just end up in deeper shit. No matter what reason they have, if anyone in "corporate" asks anyone for money it's always interpreted as greed because after all "corporate" is rich and you are poor so you are entitled to use your poorness as an excuse to steal from those extremely rich guys.

Except they're not rich, they're just trying to work for their money instead of getting shit for free like Johnny the Q to the Public. There are maybe 2 people in every company that fit this popular image of greedy rich bastards, and any lack of sales isn't going to hurt them at all... all it hurts is the people who really did all the work, because in the end if no money is made, the greedy rich bastards will get them fired. So in the end pirating leaves you with NOTHING BUT THE GREEDY RICH BASTARDS YOU'RE SUPPOSEDLY TRYING TO PUNISH. That's why the public is stupid and the industry is failing.

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.... And Gojira, your clever yet insulting comment about monkeys..... t.a.k.e.i.t.b.a.c.k..... Pretty please?? XD

Sir, do you insinuate that I don't like monkeys? I think you do.

birdie told you that

Radish

2594th Post

Platinum Carpet V.I.P- Board Master

"Re(2):Dumb..." , posted Sat 12 Jun 17:05:

Personally I wish these fan subbers would go back and translate stuff that got passed by over the last few decades (like what LiveEvil is doing with Yawara and Creamy Mami) instead of having 20 groups translating Chrno Crusade and then bitching when companies politely ask them to stop distributing their intellectual property for free.

EDIT: I just realized I posted this in the wrong thread.

[this message was edited by Radish on Sat 12 Jun 20:43]

DarkZero

822th Post

Red Carpet Regular Member+

"Re(3):Dumb..." , posted Sat 12 Jun 20:20

I can't believe you're all having a conversation about piracy based on the fact that a piracy prevention company (Macrovision) says that piracy is extremely widespread and that almost no one is willing to buy software unless they absolutely have to.

In other news, black people commit 100% of the crimes in the United States. It's true. I heard some organization called the "KKK" said so. I'm assuming that they're some sort of independent statistics agency.

Burning Ranger

818th Post

Red Carpet Regular Member+

"Re(4):Dumb..." , posted Sat 12 Jun 20:46

quote:
I can't believe you're all having a conversation about piracy based on the fact that a piracy prevention company (Macrovision) says that piracy is extremely widespread and that almost no one is willing to buy software unless they absolutely have to.

In other news, black people commit 100% of the crimes in the United States. It's true. I heard some organization called the "KKK" said so. I'm assuming that they're some sort of independent statistics agency.

That's pretty much what I meant. Macromedia = friend of gaming companies. Gaming companies = corporate bigwigs that control mainstream video game news sources. See what I mean? We know that the game industry is a multi-million, if not multi-billion dollar industry... but these companies want more more more... hence, they'll make things sound worse than they really are.

Advanced Cyborg E. Branger AKA Burning Ranger

"Never underestimate the predictabilty of stupidity." -Vinnie Jones from SNATCH

OYashiroForever

771th Post

Red Carpet Regular Member+

"Re(5):Dumb..." , posted Sat 12 Jun 21:34

Wow... a piracy thread. How original.

Yes, some video game companies are giant, faceless corporations that make a ton of money. Doesn't excuse stealing.

Yes, music CDs are outrageously overpriced and need to come down at least $5. Doesn't excuse stealing.

Yes, all of the other excuses that 15-year-old hax0rs throw out there are, for the most part, perfectly valid. Doesn't excuse stealing.

Do I do it anyway? Absolutely... I'm an evil person and perfectly comfortable with that.

"Only two things are infinite

the universe and human stupidity

and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your denial is beneath you and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs

I see through you."

DarkZero

823th Post

Red Carpet Regular Member+

"Re(5):Dumb..." , posted Sun 13 Jun 01:36

quote:

That's pretty much what I meant. Macromedia = friend of gaming companies. Gaming companies = corporate bigwigs that control mainstream video game news sources. See what I mean? We know that the game industry is a multi-million, if not multi-billion dollar industry... but these companies want more more more... hence, they'll make things sound worse than they really are.

I wouldn't exactly call Macrovision a "friend of gaming companies". I can't really see any other motivation for this ridiculously biased "study" than to scare the mindless executives at some gaming companies (or, more likely, their parent companies like Time Warner or Vivendi) into wasting money on Macrovision's infamously useless copy protection mechanisms.

And I see this as more of an example of ineptitude in game journalism, rather than biased greed. Someone at GameSpot probably saw a study that looked vaguely official and decided that pressing Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V on his keyboard was the maximum amount of work that he wanted to earn a paycheck for today. No need for research when his readers are just going to blindly swallow the news and pass it on to their forums anyway.

Mosquiton

1222th Post

Red Carpet Executive Member

"All I have to say on the matter..." , posted Sun 13 Jun 10:14

If you really like a game, pay for the damn thing.

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Fuchikoma

1013th Post

Red Carpet Premium Member

"Re(1):All I have to say on the matter..." , posted Sun 13 Jun 11:35

quote:
If you really like a game, pay for the damn thing.

Yeah since the article is by a protection company... it is very biassed. Of course their solution is for developers to buy their new safedisc protection... but that's not the solution. It'll be cracked in no time, there's no fool proof protection. There have been various successful attempts at fighting piracy, mostly with online based titles... without a proper serial someone with a pirated copy is forced to play on slow crappy cracked servers... so must people just break down and buy it. The solution that makes the most sense is rather than spend extra on more protection, use that same money and lower prices. The more affordable a game is, the more likely someone will buy it. Just look at the success of the 99cent MP3 download.

Hagen de Merak

665th Post

Red Carpet Regular Member

"Re(4):Dumb..." , posted Sun 13 Jun 15:38

quote:

In other news, black people commit 100% of the crimes in the United States. It's true. I heard some organization called the "KKK" said so. I'm assuming that they're some sort of independent statistics agency.

kent,you can use statistics to prove anything, %90 of people know that.