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| kyo717
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|  "Re(4):PS2 SF3rd Strike maniacs ?"
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The game will feature the 2 versions of the game (the first released version, and the more recent one, upon which was based the DC version), more training options, the choice between original (arcade) and arrange (DC) soundtrack....
This IS worth 3990 yen even if you already have the DC version. But maybe not the crazy price some retailers will sell it...
And no, I'm not hardcore enough to know the difference between the first and second version of 3rd Strike (maybe that blocking problem ? The direction of the guard against a mekuri ? I don't know)
The difference between the 2 Arcade releases are the unblockables, some fixed glitches and the damge scaling for Yuns Gen'ei jin super.
The DC version is basically the 2nd Arcade Version + Input lag and a 3rd Remix for the music.
Also, and possibly most importantly, I don't think Chun-Li has her low MK XX SA2 anymore. OLOLOLO LOW TIERZORZ
huh? 
I think he misunderstand the people at srk.com. <_< There is less input frame (something like that,) to combo low mk into SA2 in the DC version. I'm trying to say there is less time to do the combo so you have to be quicker.
Doesn't sound bad, but to play a good Chun li, you should do low mk into double fireball motion. If you see the low mk connect, press kick again to excute the super. But most arcade players complain that it's impossible for any arcade player to do.
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| justicekyo 651th Post
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| "Re(5):PS2 SF3rd Strike maniacs ?" , posted Wed 9 Jun 23:02
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The game will feature the 2 versions of the game (the first released version, and the more recent one, upon which was based the DC version), more training options, the choice between original (arcade) and arrange (DC) soundtrack....
This IS worth 3990 yen even if you already have the DC version. But maybe not the crazy price some retailers will sell it...
And no, I'm not hardcore enough to know the difference between the first and second version of 3rd Strike (maybe that blocking problem ? The direction of the guard against a mekuri ? I don't know)
The difference between the 2 Arcade releases are the unblockables, some fixed glitches and the damge scaling for Yuns Gen'ei jin super.
The DC version is basically the 2nd Arcade Version + Input lag and a 3rd Remix for the music.
Also, and possibly most importantly, I don't think Chun-Li has her low MK XX SA2 anymore. OLOLOLO LOW TIERZORZ
huh?
I think he misunderstand the people at srk.com. <_< There is less input frame (something like that,) to combo low mk into SA2 in the DC version. I'm trying to say there is less time to do the combo so you have to be quicker.
Doesn't sound bad, but to play a good Chun li, you should do low mk into double fireball motion. If you see the low mk connect, press kick again to excute the super. But most arcade players complain that it's impossible for any arcade player to do.
that's not impossible. just hard. i can do it with some characters, but not all.
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| Luisinan 940th Post
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| "Re(6):PS2 SF3rd Strike maniacs ?" , posted Wed 9 Jun 23:41
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The game will feature the 2 versions of the game (the first released version, and the more recent one, upon which was based the DC version), more training options, the choice between original (arcade) and arrange (DC) soundtrack....
This IS worth 3990 yen even if you already have the DC version. But maybe not the crazy price some retailers will sell it...
And no, I'm not hardcore enough to know the difference between the first and second version of 3rd Strike (maybe that blocking problem ? The direction of the guard against a mekuri ? I don't know)
The difference between the 2 Arcade releases are the unblockables, some fixed glitches and the damge scaling for Yuns Gen'ei jin super.
The DC version is basically the 2nd Arcade Version + Input lag and a 3rd Remix for the music.
Also, and possibly most importantly, I don't think Chun-Li has her low MK XX SA2 anymore. OLOLOLO LOW TIERZORZ
huh?
I think he misunderstand the people at srk.com. <_< There is less input frame (something like that,) to combo low mk into SA2 in the DC version. I'm trying to say there is less time to do the combo so you have to be quicker.
Doesn't sound bad, but to play a good Chun li, you should do low mk into double fireball motion. If you see the low mk connect, press kick again to excute the super. But most arcade players complain that it's impossible for any arcade player to do.
that's not impossible. just hard. i can do it with some characters, but not all.
I can combo Remy's standing LK into his SAII ; ) But I guess, that's more of a cancel then a link which is what Chun Li's d.MK --> SAII is all about. Links, of course, are much harder to do then cancels. Well, cancels are a cinch.
But that's the beauty of SF3, the abundance of cancels and links. Links are especially sweet to watch. If the opponent is in the corner, you can do a CBK and then link SAII. Or if you are super tops, you do a Universal Overhead, st. LK, SAII. It combos. I only did it once. I love myself for that one. Remy also has a few other good links off of his standing MP, HP and HK-- but I'm not as good with those. Sorry for getting off topic though!
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| CPSIII
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| "Re(6):PS2 SF3rd Strike maniacs ?" , posted Thu 10 Jun 02:37:
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Doesn't sound bad, but to play a good Chun li, you should do low mk into double fireball motion. If you see the low mk connect, press kick again to excute the super. But most arcade players complain that it's impossible for any arcade player to do.
I haven't played 3rd strike enough, but doesn't the usual "one press, double imput" trick still works ?
The thing is, one of Chunlis great assets is that you can do her cr. forward, check if it connects and then cancel it into her SAII(it's in fact a late cancel not a link). Due to the input lag, it's a lot harder to cancel on reaction, the combo it self isn't any harder. But that's not the main problem of the input lag, that would be just one character(well it would affect the shotos too I guess), the problem is that it messes up your parry timing, you have less time to react and make a parry because of it, on the other hand you'll find yourself "accidentely" parring multi hits.
An example would be Akumas 3 Hit Fireball. On the Arcade you have to parry each hit like they come, on DC you can input the 3 parrys a split second before you have parried the 2nd hit(which results in a semi autmatic parry of the 3rd hit), this isn't problem to DC only players because they are used it but it messes up arcade players, they - most of the time - aren't able to multi hit parry that easily because what works on the arcade(taping forward just before the attack hits) doesn't work on dc because of the delayed input. Also it makes "thight" links a lot harder, like Ryus f+Fierce, srk(not EX, that is easier because of it has less start up frames).
After playing the arcade version a few years I ago, I decided to not go back to the dc version because frankly, it sucks. People didn't believe me when I told them that I can't play the DC version, one by one I somehow got them to play the arcade version and everyone so far has agreed that it's not comparable.
[edit: As you might figure it's hard to explain but easily noticable when you play the arcade version for a few rounds]
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| kyo717
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| "Re(6):PS2 SF3rd Strike maniacs ?" , posted Thu 10 Jun 02:51
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Doesn't sound bad, but to play a good Chun li, you should do low mk into double fireball motion. If you see the low mk connect, press kick again to excute the super. But most arcade players complain that it's impossible for any arcade player to do.
I haven't played 3rd strike enough, but doesn't the usual "one press, double imput" trick still works ?
Yes, it still works. I should be a little more clear. It's easy to combo low mk into SA2 still but you shouldn't always go for it. If they block the low mk into SA2, it's a free combo for the opponent. A very basic technique to avoid such mistakes is to always do the SA2 input motion after every low mk but don't press the the kick part of the SA2 so it doesn't activate the actual SA. Now in battle, it's a matter having quick reflexes to recongize that the low mk has actually hit the opponent and to press kick right after the inputing the motion SA. It's believe on SRK.com that every japanese Chun li player practice and use this technique. In a lot of high level japanese matches on the net, you'll probably notice that a blocked Chun li SA2 is pretty rare. On the DC version of 3rd strike, this technique is pretty hard to pull off *if you pratice on the arcade version most of the time. There is less time/frames to complete low mk into SA2.
Of course, this technique works with other characters. Other popular ones are Ken's low mk into SA3 and Mokoto's low lk into SA1.
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| VManOfMana 473th Post
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| "Re(7):PS2 SF3rd Strike maniacs ?" , posted Thu 10 Jun 07:13
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Yes, it still works. I should be a little more clear. It's easy to combo low mk into SA2 still but you shouldn't always go for it. If they block the low mk into SA2, it's a free combo for the opponent. A very basic technique to avoid such mistakes is to always do the SA2 input motion after every low mk but don't press the the kick part of the SA2 so it doesn't activate the actual SA. Now in battle, it's a matter having quick reflexes to recongize that the low mk has actually hit the opponent and to press kick right after the inputing the motion SA. It's believe on SRK.com that every japanese Chun li player practice and use this technique. In a lot of high level japanese matches on the net, you'll probably notice that a blocked Chun li SA2 is pretty rare. On the DC version of 3rd strike, this technique is pretty hard to pull off *if you pratice on the arcade version most of the time. There is less time/frames to complete low mk into SA2.
Actually, in the Dreamcast version crouching forward, HouyokuSen no longer works, since more recovery frames were added to the crouching forward (another consequence of this is that Chun Li's poking game got toned down).
In the arcade, the idea of the technique is that you never cancel the crouching forward, you link it. Since with linking you have to execute HouyokuSen after the crouching forward ends, you have a lot of time to see if the forward hit or not. In the Dreamcast, the only way to hit both attacks is by cancelling. It is not impossible to connect crouching forward > kikoshou. What is impossible to do is to link it.
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