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| Dr Baghead 3045th Post
 
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|  "Re(3):Is this true?!?!"
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I'mean, Tarzan, as most Disney movie characters, are not created or even owned by Disney. They had to get permission to use Tarzan, for example.
Actually this is not entirely true.
YES, 99.99% of the time they don't make up their own stories (I don't think Atlantis or Brother Bear are based on anything, but I might be wrong... and I'm counting Lilo and Stitch as just being "the Ugly Duckling with aliens")
But they do own the characters most of the time.
You see, when something has been around long enough it becomes 'public domain' which means anyone can use it... this is why you see a lot of 'Family Home Value Entertainment' (or some other off brand company) movies come out based on the same source material as the latest Disney hit.
However, you can alter public domain to own parts of it... you may notice no Disney movie based on a Fairytale/public domain story is 100% accurate, also since the designs are original for their products they are owned by Disney.
Let's look at Pinochio for example... Roberto Benini just did a (shitty) live-action version of the story and the character has a supporting role in both Shreks... but in both cases they don't look like Disney's version, as they own that design... and in Benini's version you don't have the anthropomorphized Fox leading him astray or Jiminy Cricket as those were made up by Disney and are exclusive to their story.
So basically to sum up my point:
Disney doesn't 'own' most of it's characters, but they don't "not" own them due to the way public domain laws work... but even if they don't Tarzan and Jack Skellington prove they're willing to include ones they only have rights to into the game.
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| Undead Fred 1635th Post
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| "Re(4):Is this true?!?!" , posted Mon 7 Jun 02:43
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I'mean, Tarzan, as most Disney movie characters, are not created or even owned by Disney. They had to get permission to use Tarzan, for example.
Actually this is not entirely true.
YES, 99.99% of the time they don't make up their own stories (I don't think Atlantis or Brother Bear are based on anything, but I might be wrong... and I'm counting Lilo and Stitch as just being "the Ugly Duckling with aliens")
But they do own the characters most of the time.
You see, when something has been around long enough it becomes 'public domain' which means anyone can use it... this is why you see a lot of 'Family Home Value Entertainment' (or some other off brand company) movies come out based on the same source material as the latest Disney hit.
However, you can alter public domain to own parts of it... you may notice no Disney movie based on a Fairytale/public domain story is 100% accurate, also since the designs are original for their products they are owned by Disney.
Let's look at Pinochio for example... Roberto Benini just did a (shitty) live-action version of the story and the character has a supporting role in both Shreks... but in both cases they don't look like Disney's version, as they own that design... and in Benini's version you don't have the anthropomorphized Fox leading him astray or Jiminy Cricket as those were made up by Disney and are exclusive to their story.
So basically to sum up my point:
Disney doesn't 'own' most of it's characters, but they don't "not" own them due to the way public domain laws work... but even if they don't Tarzan and Jack Skellington prove they're willing to include ones they only have rights to into the game.
Yeah, that's a good point. While they don't own the STORIES (yeah, they're running out of fairy tale adaptations pretty quickly), but they do own their version of that character's design. I was pretty sure that some of the stories have some kind of copyright on them (How about Jungle Book? I'd think Rudyard Kipling's family would have kept up with the rights to that, too?)...
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| Dr Baghead 3047th Post
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| "NUMBER 537! I CHOOSE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Mon 7 Jun 12:29
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(How about Jungle Book? I'd think Rudyard Kipling's family would have kept up with the rights to that, too?)...
When was the book writen?
I would think they still own it, but the Boy Scouts of America uses the Jungle Book in it's handbook (it even says the Wolf and Bear badges are meant to represent Akala and Baloo... and I believe Akala's name is thrown around quite a bit as well in oaths as well... apparently there used to be a Tiger badge, so maybe that represents the final struggle with Sher Khan or something... Lord only knows how Bobcat fits into it all) so if the Jungle Book isn't public domain, why does a non-profit organization so heavily base itself on the story?
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Atlantis is so a ripoff of Nadia its not even remotely humorous, though they claim it's based on Jules Vernes' stuff.
I'm not going to argue in recent times (I'd say after Aladin, that seems to be the last movie they put effort into before just recycling their old stuff only changing the characrers a bit) Disney can't tell a story worth shit... but don't go into that Atlantis/Nadia bullshit, "OH! It has submarines AND Atlantis AND a Princess!!!!! Clearly they ripped it off since these ideas are too original for just anyone to think up!!!"... you'd think if you were going to call foul on any Disney movies you'd pick a good one, Atlantis is a piece of shit, does it help Nadia any to say a HUGE turd is based largerly on it?! NO!... does Nadia just sort of flounder around for an hour only to quickly BS an ending that makes no sense too?
... I don't see anyone ranting about how "Lilo and Stitch:the Series" is a clear cut Pokemon clone... I'm actually impressed we haven't seen a videogame, CTG, plushies of all 627 monsters, and lots toys of various low qualities based on the series yet it's such an obvious ripoff.... HECK! What was the first experiment L&S freed? A CREEPY ELECTRIC ONE!!!!! That's a GOOD Disney movie/TV show ripping off an anime!
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| Cain Highwind 404th Post
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| "Re(3):Is this true?!?!" , posted Mon 7 Jun 13:27
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Aya an original Square character? Yes, she is. The game has little relation with the novel and the movie of the same franchise. Aya Brea appears in Chocobo Racing as well (well, it's actually her car but has the Aya Brea name) so I guess that Square has the rights on the girl.
Well plus, she was designed by Tetsuya Nomura. Because of this, she's more likely to make it over say, Locke from FFVI. And plus, assuming Yoko Shimomura composes for KH2 (she's no longer Square only now, she's freelance), she might want to throw in a PE arrangement just for kicks.
I still think Aya would fit great with Gargoyles, I just don't see how'd the fit her in the game otherwise (Aya+Rescuers team up just sounds freaky)
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| Dr Baghead 3049th Post
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| "Re(2):NUMBER 537! I CHOOSE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Mon 7 Jun 19:25
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W... What ? They...
Ugh ?
Somebody explains please.
To sum it up as best as possible the connections between Stitch:the Movie/Lilo and Stitch the Series and Pokemon:
-Both based around collecting every single fugly little monster
-in both a child and their monster must find other monster, beat the crap out of them and capture them
~a difference worth noting is once captured L&S try to convert them to good and find a good place for them, Ash and co. use them in battle more
-in both they face a villian/team of villian who completely and utterly suck for being an elite warrior/team as they humilated by a child on a near daily schedule. (with Gantu it's far sadder, since we can assume Jessie and James were rejects to begin with, Gantu used to be the top officer in the Galaxitic armed forces)
-in both shows the villian(s) has a monster sidekick who speaks perfect English (or whatever language the show is dubbed in) the sidekick doesn't do shit expect be a smartass and belittle the villian(s) for failing all the time.
-Jumba's computer index Lilo uses for experiment info is vaguely similar to a Pokedex (each one is classified by number, with a small picture, and brief discription of powers and weaknesses)
-In Stitch the movie the first experiment pod L&S open to get help saving Jumba is an electric monster, who although looks nothing like a Pikachu and his powers are completely different (he turns into thunderbolts rather then shooting them) the connection is there since the sudden switch to "GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL!" storyline is made with him present
-There is a character who crossdresses for no good reason... which is odd considering Pleakly never wore women's attire in the first movie, but wears it all the time later. (which I assume is more a reference to his VA being from 'Kids In The Hall' then it is meant to reference James, but still...)
so there you have it! I could probably have explained it more in depth but I'm tired...
I'm still waiting for Disney Interactive to make "Lilo and Stitch: Blue and Red" for the GBA, it such an obvious tie-in it should have been out 5 weeks before "Stitch:the Movie" just like every other game based on their stuff.
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| Undead Fred 1646th Post
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| "Re(1):NUMBER 537! I CHOOSE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Mon 7 Jun 20:47
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I would think they still own it, but the Boy Scouts of America uses the Jungle Book in it's handbook (it even says the Wolf and Bear badges are meant to represent Akala and Baloo... and I believe Akala's name is thrown around quite a bit as well in oaths as well... apparently there used to be a Tiger badge, so maybe that represents the final struggle with Sher Khan or something... Lord only knows how Bobcat fits into it all) so if the Jungle Book isn't public domain, why does a non-profit organization so heavily base itself on the story?
I was in Cub Scouts, and we had a bobcat, wolf, and bear badge, then the WEBLOS badge... I remember hearing something more along the lines of Native American folklore or something for the whole "animal badge" thing. Akela is... a wolf, I think? I want to say Akela was also female... like some kind of mother spirit or something. I don't remember any connections at all to Jungle Book (I don't recall any Akelas in Jungle Book, either... I could be 100% wrong about that, though).
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| Dr Baghead 3052th Post
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| "Re(2):NUMBER 537! I CHOOSE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Mon 7 Jun 22:26
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I was in Cub Scouts, and we had a bobcat, wolf, and bear badge, then the WEBLOS badge... I remember hearing something more along the lines of Native American folklore or something for the whole "animal badge" thing. Akela is... a wolf, I think? I want to say Akela was also female... like some kind of mother spirit or something. I don't remember any connections at all to Jungle Book (I don't recall any Akelas in Jungle Book, either... I could be 100% wrong about that, though).
Akela was the wolf leader in the Jungle Book (he's not really in the Disney version, but I've seen an off brand animated version in which he appeared, I believe he's in the live action one too)
When I joined the Boy Scouts they called the bear Baloo and Akela was a wolf (you did a 'peace sign' to show you were listing as it presented Akela's ears)... however, I wouldn't doubt that any Jungle Book references (if there were any at all, I'm not going to rule out I've lost my mind) was added in later to 'update' (or make "PC") the badges
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| Undead Fred 1647th Post
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| "Re(3):NUMBER 537! I CHOOSE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!" , posted Tue 8 Jun 02:09
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Akela was the wolf leader in the Jungle Book (he's not really in the Disney version, but I've seen an off brand animated version in which he appeared, I believe he's in the live action one too)
When I joined the Boy Scouts they called the bear Baloo and Akela was a wolf (you did a 'peace sign' to show you were listing as it presented Akela's ears)... however, I wouldn't doubt that any Jungle Book references (if there were any at all, I'm not going to rule out I've lost my mind) was added in later to 'update' (or make "PC") the badges
Ah, okay. Like I said, I didn't know about the Akela thing. When I was in Cub Scouts, I don't remember any of the other animals having names (plus the fact that one of the badges was a bobcat, and the only others that would have any possible ties to the Jungle Book was the wolf and the bear). I just remember Akela, and I didn't think that that was the same wolf as the one from the Wolf Badge... eh, well. Doesn't really matter. I'd have to look at my old Cub Scout book to be sure. Heh heh.
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| Dr Baghead 3053th Post
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| "Re(8):Is this true?!?!" , posted Tue 8 Jun 12:23
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Just look at the two main characters of Nadia and look at their clones in Atlantis. It's not vaguely the same, its just a bad character designer tracing them. You can argue the overall plots since Nadia's wasn't original in the least, though that didn't mean Atlantis needed to follow the almost exact same path. Sure, Atlantis was crap, the but similarities still annoy me.
Milo and Jean do look sort of a like (and even then it's just the glasses that make them so, completely different hairstyles and body types), but that much have been some delicious crack you smoked to think the two princesses look similar in the least... I guess they both have tan skin, but that's about it as far as similarities go.
And how are the stories all that similar? The bullet point break downs of the two movies are so vague you can say anything is a copy of anything!
Did you know 'The Little Mermaid' is a copy of 'Sailor Moon'?!
The Little Mermaid: Main character is a long haired Princess
Sailor Moon: Main character is a long haired Princess
The Little Mermaid: Is the Princess of the Sea
Sailor Moon: Is the Princess of the Sea... of Tranquility! aka the Moon!
The Little Mermaid: Has a bunch of other Princesses (her sisters) around her at all times
Sailor Moon: Has a bunch of other Princesses (the other scouts/senshi) around her at all times
The Little Mermaid:Has a talking animal who gives her advice in life
Sailor Moon: Has a talking animal who gives her advice in life
The Little Mermaid:Falls in love with a Prince
Sailor Moon: Falls in love with a Prince
The Little Mermaid:The Prince is a handsome, dark haired man
Sailor Moon: The Prince is a handsome, dark haired man
The Little Mermaid:Due to unfortunate circumstances can't be with the Prince
Sailor Moon: Darian is a jerk and they don't get along at first
The Little Mermaid: A magic spell connected to a pendant around the villian's neck transforms her
Sailor Moon: A magic spell connected to a pendat around the hero's neck transforms her
The Little Mermaid:After transformation she's naked for a breif moument before making a dress out of a sail
Sailor Moon: During transformation is naked before making a dress out of magic
The Little Mermaid:Just as she gets close to the Prince, the villian takes him away
Sailor Moon: Just as she gets close to the Prince, the villian takes him away
The Little Mermaid:The villian attacks the Sea Kingdom, King Triton must pay the ultimate price to save his daughter
Sailor Moon: The villian attacked the Moon Kingdom, Queen Serenity must pay the ultimate price to save her daughter
The Little Mermaid:An epic battle between the Princess, now reverted to her true form, and a Giant Villianess ensues
Sailor Moon: An epic battle between the Princess, now back in her true form, and a Giant Villianess ensues
The Little Mermaid:The Princess wins with help from her friends
Sailor Moon: The Princess wins with help from her friends
The Little Mermaid:The villian defeated, everything returns to normal
Sailor Moon: The villian defeated, everyone forgets everything
The Little Mermaid: The Princess and Prince do ultimately get together, they have a daughter
Sailor Moon: The Princess and Prince do ultimately get together, they have a daughter
Also Disney didn't stop there! Look!
The Little Mermaid:Heroine appears as playable character in an RPG
Sailor Moon: Heroine appears as playable character in an RPG
The Little Mermaid:Movie is promoted with a bunch of shitty toys/clothing as well as bootleg "Princess Mermaid" and "My Little Mermaid" products
Sailor Moon: Series is promoted with a bunch of shitty toys/clothing as well as bootleg "Moon Girls" and "Pretty Fighter" products
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| Dr Baghead 3056th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):Is this true?!?!" , posted Tue 8 Jun 14:34:
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Disney's true rip off was The Lion King which they stole from Osamu Tezuka's Jungle Emperor Leo. The rest of it was minor theft, LK was major theft. Right dwon from renaming "Kimba" to "Simba." It wasn't done on purpose, I feel. I think people at Disney were sitting around thinking of an African Story they wanted to do and they performed zero point zero research on African tales/mythology and came up with this old Anime they watched when they were kids and subconsciously came through. All Tezuka's Company wanted Disney to do was own up to JEL being the inspiration, but Disney won't do that and if it ever reached court I gaurantee you Disney would win the trial because they always win cases like this. I'll post the similarities between LK and JEL tommorow.
Funny side notes - When Mathew Broderick signed on to play Simba, he thought he was doing Kimba since he remembered the old Anime. And the Simpsons poked fun of the whole thing in an Episode where Lisa saw a Lion Head in the Sky who said, "Kimba, oops! I meant Simba..."
[oblivious mode on] What are you talking about!?! Everyone knows "The Lion King" based on Hamlet! Yep it's just Hamlet with animal characters!! [oblivious mode off]
(so is JEL's story some what like Hamlet as well? I know the characters are ripoffs, or at best 'homages'... I'm just wondering if it's the same "uncle kills king, uncle becomes king, son avenges father" story)
Edit: WOOOPS! major typo that changed the meaning of what I said
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| Mosquiton 1212th Post
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| "Call that bullshit, brave consumer" , posted Tue 8 Jun 15:07
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[oblivious mode on] What are you talking about!?! Everyone knows "The Lion King" based on Hamlet! Yep it's just Hamlet with animal characters!! [oblivious mode off]
(so is JEL's story some what like Hamlet as well? I know the characters are ripoffs, or at best 'homages'... I'm just wondering if it's the same "uncle kills king, uncle becomes king, son avenges father" story)
Edit: WOOOPS! major typo that changed the meaning of what I said
Baghead, you so crazy... and you make a good point, but you have to admit, whether you call it a 'ripoff of a ripoff' or 'second-hand inspiration' (at best), people can and should call this kind of bullshit when it happens. (Specifically referring to Disney employing 'The Lion King', a product with a nearly identical concept to the established 'Jungle Emperor Leo', to make obscene amounts of money in the process.)
There's a strong argument for wholesale plagiarism in this instance. Nobody is forced to believe anything regardless of how strong any given argument is, but a thinking person should at least acknowledge such arguments.
In my opinion, those who have taken inspiration should just fucking own up to it if they're called into question. When someone vehemently denies any similarity whatsoever, money is certainly involved. That or blinding, irrational pride.
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| Luisinan 931th Post
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| "Re(1):Call that bullshit, brave consumer" , posted Tue 8 Jun 15:43
There are no more 'original' stories to be told. Everything is just a twist on the same old shit. I forget where you can find this information (in what book), but the different types of conflicts and stories are definitely numbered and described. Everything is just a twist around these stories and conflicts. Even with characters, there are only a certain amount of character archtypes around. Everything is just a twist on these archtypes.
Take for example Tony Soprano and the Kingpin from Spider-man. Both use the same archtype, big-tough-learder guy. Both are mob bosses. But both are very different types of characters.
With Disney--- I don't follow Disney very well, but yeah, if they steal ideas, they need to own up and admit it. But they never will cause money is involved. BTW, I find most Disney stuff, 'unpalatable' but that's just me.
Last point. Since nothing is original, you can still be original. My sometimes PITA friend says its difficult to be original and cool in film cause its hard to make something new. And I pointed out that its the manner in which you present something that is original and cool. Take for example, Matrix Reloaded. The scene where Agent Smith confronts Neo in the school yard. Its a straight shot, with him walking right to the camera, and with crows flying apart as he walks through them. I love that shot. I'm sure similar shots have been done before, a thousand times in other films (probably westerns or even anime). The difference is in the composition, the color of the film, the placement of the crows, the flight of the crows, the walking speed and demeanor of Smith. A ton of things.
Okay, off tangent. My point. I hate Disney. But you can still be original even if there is nothing 'new.'
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| RugalBernstein 5080th Post
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| "Re(2):Call that bullshit, brave consumer" , posted Tue 8 Jun 15:58:
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Okay, off tangent. My point. I hate Disney. But you can still be original even if there is nothing 'new.'
But the point here was that it was similar to the point of the protagonist having a name which has been changed by only one letter.
By the way, everybody, I've written a play, I call it "Nacbeth". It's a tale of treachery and intrigue! Behold as Nacbeth is given a prophecy by three old hags (not witches, I repeat, NOT witches) and murders his trusting King, Funcan! Quake in terror as Nacbeth witnesses the ghost of his friend Bankwo murdered by Nacbeth's own orders!
Oh, and it's all completely original... like Sherry Bobbins,Rickey Rouse or Monald Muck.
Edit: And really, there probably hasn't been a "completely original" story told since Roman times, probably even earlier. New entertainment mediums just allow us to record these stories better, whereas most of those old stories have been forgotten (Damn you, word of mouth!) Human ideals of heroism and archetypes always remain roughly the same.
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| Sano 676th Post
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| "Re(1):Lion King/Leo" , posted Tue 8 Jun 18:00:
The rest of this Article "Whose Lion is it, anyway?" went like this.
Disney's recent film the LION KING may be causing children of all ages to cheer wildly, but in the anime and manga community there's been an uproar of an entirely different sort. A similar cast of characters, several plot coincidences and even identical scene compositions have caused more that one fan to exclaim, "Whose lion is it anyway?" Trish Ledoux files this special report.
It started as a simple phone call on the morining of July 10 from the San Francisco Chronicle: "Would you care to comment on the alleged similarities between Disney's Lion King and Osamu Tezuka's Jungle Emperor?"
By the end of the day, everyone in the local English-speaking anime and manga industry had either been spoken to over the phone or interviewed on camera by reporters hungry for an angle on allegations of similarities between the two. In addition to being quoted in the July Issue of the Chronicle, Manga! Manga! The world of Japanese Comics author Frederick Schodt told ANIMERICA he spent the day feilding calls and faxes from around the world, while Studio Proteus founder Toren Smith said he'd spoken to over seventeen reporters regarding the story. A film crew from the local ABC Affiliate interviewed both Toren and myself on camera, while in Los Angeles, Streamline Pictures' Fred Patten was interviewed by the syndicated Entertainment Tonight program.
It isn't often that the media gets a chance to call Disney to task, and it didn't take someone with a degree in mangaology to spot the obvious similarities between Lion King and Jungle Emperor, Osamu "God of Comics" Tezuka's 1965 animated series based on his manga of the same name. Disney's initial "no comment" reply raised eyebrows (several publication members have since spoken more at length), while Matthew Broderick's reported confusion over which lion he was voice-cast for ("I thought he meant Kimba, who was a white lion in a cartoon when I was a little kid") added fuel to the fire. Clearly, the matter was far from over.
According to a subsequent report by the Chronicle (July 18), the controversy focused not on whether Disney stole material from Tezuka, but on whether Disney failed to give credit for drawing inspiration from Tezuka's original manga and animated series. "If many ordinary Americans remember Kimba," Chronicle reporter Charles Burress asks, "How could it be that those who specialize in animation can claim ignorance of Kimba and of a pioneer in the field who brought not only Kimba to America but Astro Boy as well?"
Burress says the answer is that Disney was "stretching the truth somewhat."
"If Disney took hints from The Jungle Emperor, our founder, the late Osamu Tezuka, would be very pleased by it," said Takayuki Matsutani, president of Tezuka Productions in Tokyo. "Rather than filing a claim, we would be very happy to know that Disney people saw Tezuka's work. On the whole, we think the Lion King is absolutely different from Jungle Emperor and is Disney's original work."
According to Burress, in interviews with eight people who played important roles in producing The Lion King, three acknowledged some prior knowledge of Kimba. One source who worked on the early stages of the film's development called Disney's claim of ignorance about Kimba "A bunch of hooey," while others didn't know and those who did had only a "vague familiarity" with the Tezuka story.
"I remember saying in a meeting, 'This is mighty similar to Kimba the White Lion,' and I got a bunch of blank stares...I can guarantee they didn't use any Tezuka ideas. No one had any Tezuka books. I didn't bring Kimba the White Lion to show them. I doubt they have a Kimba film in their lybrary. That period of Japanese animation is scoffed at."
According to the Chronicle, some insiders said many who worked on the film did see Kimba as youngsters, but that specifics became mingled with images from many sources over the years, so that Kimba may have had a "subliminal influence," in the words of one Disney employee who reportedly works close with animation. Others said the similarities resulted more form the limited reportory options for story lines and characters on the African plain.
"The reality is that if Disney had made a tip of the hat to Tezuka, a lot of fans wouldn't have gotted so angry," said Schodt, a friend of the late Tezuka, to the Chronicle. "The anger is amplified by the fact that Disney has dealt very harshly in the past with many people who have quoted from or been inspired by Disney's works.
Whose Lion is it, anyway? We leave it to you to decide.
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| Undead Fred 1654th Post
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| "Re(2):Call that bullshit, brave consumer" , posted Thu 10 Jun 01:51
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There are no more 'original' stories to be told. Everything is just a twist on the same old shit. I forget where you can find this information (in what book), but the different types of conflicts and stories are definitely numbered and described. Everything is just a twist around these stories and conflicts. Even with characters, there are only a certain amount of character archtypes around. Everything is just a twist on these archtypes.
Take for example Tony Soprano and the Kingpin from Spider-man. Both use the same archtype, big-tough-learder guy. Both are mob bosses. But both are very different types of characters.
Yeah, I know the one you're talking about, but I can't remember the name either. I DO have it photocopied from a class I took several semesters ago. I've also got a copy of this book on the "Hero's Journey" or something along those lines, which lays out the basic order of events all stories follow.
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With Disney--- I don't follow Disney very well, but yeah, if they steal ideas, they need to own up and admit it. But they never will cause money is involved. BTW, I find most Disney stuff, 'unpalatable' but that's just me.
Last point. Since nothing is original, you can still be original. My sometimes PITA friend says its difficult to be original and cool in film cause its hard to make something new. And I pointed out that its the manner in which you present something that is original and cool. Take for example, Matrix Reloaded. The scene where Agent Smith confronts Neo in the school yard. Its a straight shot, with him walking right to the camera, and with crows flying apart as he walks through them. I love that shot. I'm sure similar shots have been done before, a thousand times in other films (probably westerns or even anime). The difference is in the composition, the color of the film, the placement of the crows, the flight of the crows, the walking speed and demeanor of Smith. A ton of things.
Okay, off tangent. My point. I hate Disney. But you can still be original even if there is nothing 'new.'
Heh heh. Not just you... I find Disney to be a bad taste in the mouth, too. Sure, the visuals are pretty, but the stories are so formulaic, and the dialogue gets worse and worse. POUR THE WINE AND CUT THE CHEESE
The old, old Disney movies weren't bad, really. It's just once the whole Eisner era started up in the 90's that the movies started reaaaally sucking. I'm not surprised that they ripped off Tezuka's story at all... how many of their animated movies are original stories? A majority of them were taken from SOMETHING else... about half are fairy tale or classic story adaptations (at least half, I'd say). Well, the Pixar movies count too, but at least those stories are fairly new. But they still suffer from that Disney writing...
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| Just a Person 644th Post
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| "Re(1):Still about Aya (POSSIBLE SPOILERS)" , posted Tue 15 Jun 09:34
Wow! I didn't imagine that the Disney movies could bring all this discussion. Very interesting, indeed. Personally, I like them, although the most recent ones don't seem as memorable as the older ones like "The Lion King" or "Mulan" (okay, this last one isn't very old, but I still like it). But they still bring some interesting stuff, like "The Treasure Planet" (I'm not sure if this is its original name), which I liked.
Back to the Aya topic, I was wondering how could she fit in the game (IF she will really be in it), and I just realised that I never managed to see the PE real ending (the one in that building where she faces the real Eve) or the best ending in PEII (
Spoiler (Highlight to view) -
okay, now this will sound like a soap opera, but does she stay with Kyle or Pierce?)
End of Spoiler
. I even tried to find those in GameFAQs, but they either don't have the ending or don't explain it properly. What happens in these endings, after all?
BTW, some people said how they think she would fit in KHII. I have a totally different idea, I'll write it later.
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| Just a Person 645th Post
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| "Re(3):Still about Aya (POSSIBLE SPOILERS)" , posted Wed 16 Jun 08:36
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Thank you again, Rid!!
Oh, and about my idea for Aya in KHII: many people are imagining her as a cop. But I thought that since Wakka, Tidus and Selphie are in the KH universe as children, maybe in Twilight Town (which I hope will have more areas to explore) Sora could meet two blond girls, the same age as he is (14, right?). No, I'm not talking about the Olsen twins, but about the Brea twins, Aya and Maya!! They could give him some info about his quests and he could also fight Aya, like he fought his friends in his island. Now, after some time in the game, he could search the twins again or not. If he does, we could see some scene where the new villain talks to an invisible entity named Eve to possess Maya, since the Brea twins have some great powers. Then, when Sora meets them, Maya transforms into Eve (like in PE1, except that she's a kid and she keeps her clothes on; same applies to Aya when she uses her Liberate magic against Sora). Sora then could choose to let Aya battle her sister (then he would get no EXP points, plus Maya disappears after battle, but Aya wins the match anyway) or to battle Eve himself (considering Square will keep the tradition that Sora can't team up with any Square characters), then he would free Maya from Eve. I don't know, it's just an idea, and probably this won't happen. What do you think?
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| Just a Person 647th Post
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| "Re(4):Still about Aya (POSSIBLE SPOILERS)" , posted Sat 19 Jun 19:31
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Thank you again, Rid!!
Oh, and about my idea for Aya in KHII: many people are imagining her as a cop. But I thought that since Wakka, Tidus and Selphie are in the KH universe as children, maybe in Twilight Town (which I hope will have more areas to explore) Sora could meet two blond girls, the same age as he is (14, right?). No, I'm not talking about the Olsen twins, but about the Brea twins, Aya and Maya!! They could give him some info about his quests and he could also fight Aya, like he fought his friends in his island. Now, after some time in the game, he could search the twins again or not. If he does, we could see some scene where the new villain talks to an invisible entity named Eve to possess Maya, since the Brea twins have some great powers. Then, when Sora meets them, Maya transforms into Eve (like in PE1, except that she's a kid and she keeps her clothes on; same applies to Aya when she uses her Liberate magic against Sora). Sora then could choose to let Aya battle her sister (then he would get no EXP points, plus Maya disappears after battle, but Aya wins the match anyway) or to battle Eve himself (considering Square will keep the tradition that Sora can't team up with any Square characters), then he would free Maya from Eve. I don't know, it's just an idea, and probably this won't happen. What do you think?
Or Jodie (from PE2) could be Cid's new assistant in Twilight Town. I forgot to mention this in my last message.
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