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| Luisinan 899th Post
 
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|  "Re(3):US Military Draft for June 2005"
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Meh. Some idiot (Sen Hollings, Ernest F for example) throughs this around every once in a while and it's kicked out for being blatently unconstitutional (as it should have been in Vietnam). Also half the time it's brought up is because the guy in question is trying to scare people into opposing whatever military action is in question. Both of these are old and have no chance of getting passed.
EDIT: ^^^ That's retarded since I'm sure officers are passing drafts.
Well, I'm my father's only son, so I think I'm pretty much exempt from the draft. Unless it has changed since Vietnam. I'm worried about my friends that I know could potentially be drafted if this were to happen. But, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. May not be able to go to Canada, but is Mexico out of the question? lol
I'm still a Mexican citizen.
BOOYAH
I'll go hide under a cactus if I have to. Screw this stupid war. I swear, years from now, historians will vote Bush Jr as the most inept and ridiculous president this country has ever had. He is a living, breathing, Chappelle joke.
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| Adon 1379th Post
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| "Re(4):US Military Draft for June 2005" , posted Sat 22 May 23:12
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Meh. Some idiot (Sen Hollings, Ernest F for example) throughs this around every once in a while and it's kicked out for being blatently unconstitutional (as it should have been in Vietnam). Also half the time it's brought up is because the guy in question is trying to scare people into opposing whatever military action is in question. Both of these are old and have no chance of getting passed.
EDIT: ^^^ That's retarded since I'm sure officers are passing drafts.
Well, I'm my father's only son, so I think I'm pretty much exempt from the draft. Unless it has changed since Vietnam. I'm worried about my friends that I know could potentially be drafted if this were to happen. But, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. May not be able to go to Canada, but is Mexico out of the question? lol
I'm still a Mexican citizen.
BOOYAH
I'll go hide under a cactus if I have to. Screw this stupid war. I swear, years from now, historians will vote Bush Jr as the most inept and ridiculous president this country has ever had. He is a living, breathing, Chappelle joke.
Its back to Mexico City for me then
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| Radish 2531th Post
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| "Re(3):US Military Draft for June 2005" , posted Sat 22 May 23:53:
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Well if 322 is really planning to exterminate every Muslim on the face of the earth, they are going to have to enact a draft to do so sooner or later.
Because that's the plan; we should go back in time and help the Serbs instead of bombing their civilians.
Anyway anyone who thinks this has any chance is incredibly naive.
Also what the hell does this have to do with Bush? I don't give a crap about the guy, but did anyone bother to look at the actual legislation?
Links don't work in the BBS. Search this site:
www.congress.gov
for
H.R.163
S.89
I see a ton of Democrats behind those bills, so unless this is a gigantic conspiracy involving mind control of the opposite political party, Bush has nothing to do with this shit.
There will be no draft. The army doesn't need tons of unskilled people who don't want to be there. If they do end up needing people, there are tons of bases around the world (Korea, Germany, Japan) with people more or less sitting on their ass that can be transfered. If this is such a sure thing, then why hasn't the media brought it up? If a bunch of kids on a message board are so concerned certainly someone would have brought it to our attention. Considering it took me 2 seconds to look them up, these bills aren't exactly SUPER DUPER TOP SECRET OH NOS!! They've had a year for it to sit around so they've had ample time.
No one will vote in favor of this since it would be political suicide.
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| DarkZero 794th Post
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| "Re(2):!!" , posted Sun 23 May 01:59
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I don't support a draft, if a majority of people feel strongly about a particular cause, such as in WWII against the Nazis, then there would be no shortage of volunteers.
The thing is, though... no one supports a draft. Not just among normal Americans/humans like you and I, but among the military and even among the people proposing these bills. Certain groups of politicians have been tossing these bills around for a couple of years now, well before the Iraq War, and even they will basically admit that it's just a political stunt to scare morons into following them.
Charlie Rangel, a Democrat from New York (which means that Fox News is practically his next door neighbor), in particular, has been very candid about what he and his allies are trying to do. They're proposing a bill that will obviously be shot down (if it's ever even voted on) just so they can "wake America up" or some other euphemistic term for scaring people with bullshit. If the bill ever becomes front page news, then they will be able to blame the "need" for a draft on Bush, because the bill is the sort of "drastic measure" that Bush "forced" them to "resort" to. Reactions like those of the people in the Orochinagi forum are exactly what they're looking for.
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| Radish 2534th Post
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| "Re(8):US Military Draft for June 2005" , posted Sun 23 May 10:26:
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I guess if it came down to it, I would go serve if called up. But then I have a bachelor's degree... and because of that, I'd *BETTER* be let in as an officer.
Ha ha. I want to be an officer too!
In other news. Why all the hate for Moore? He's not spreading lies-- or is he? If I recall correctly, it was Bush Jr. that lied about WMD and the senior health care plan. Well, no, he didn't lie, he just had the wrong information. Man, it must suck being the Prez, your always getting the wrong info-- he should use Google or something.
Moore spreads mistruth (not outright lies) cleverly disguised as reality. He leaves out parts of the story or rearranges events in such a way so you believe something happened when in reality it's wasn't like it was portrayed at all. Also he is very divisive and I don't see how that helps anyone. We need to understand where other people with different values are coming from and why they believe the way they do. Moore basically vilifies everyone he disagrees with in order to make his own positions look more noble. I find this to be disgusting. If his positions are strong enough, he shouldn’t need to manufacture events.
Also I could never understand the "OMG Bush lied to get us into Iraq!!" argument since I really don't see how it benefited us in terms of free oil or whatever it is people think he went in there for. If he would lie about it (and if he did he deserves to be thrown out of office) he would have to know his lie would have been discovered when we went into Iraq and didn't find the weapons he knew weren't there. Fact of the matter was that pretty much every government thought Saddam has some sort of illegal weapons due to his strange activities with the weapon inspectors and surveillance photos; the debate was about if they warranted his forcible removal. There is tons of stuff to find wrong with Bush, but I don’t get this one.
I'm not trying to make any arguments for or against anyone in this thread (except Moore) but I think there's a trend lately of people jumping to conclusions without the entire story. I think we need to step back from partisan politics and focus more on actually helping people and ourselves to lead better lives. Drawing lines in the sand really doesn't solve anything in my opinion. People of different ideologies have to understand that often others have valid reasoning behind their beliefs and concepts like "evil" and "stupid" should be left out of debates as knee-jerk responses to arguments we don't agree with. Immediately discounting a viewpoint as "wrong" seems like a cop out.
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| Krzyzewski Man 735th Post
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| "Concerning a shitty Presidency and stuff" , posted Sun 23 May 11:03
With regard to the Bush presidency, Bush isn't the main problem. His whole inner circle is composed of three far-right nutball groups: unthinking Reaganaughts like Cheney (thank you Futurama), neo-conservatives like Paul Wolfowitz, and Religious Righters like John Ashcroft. They all want about the same thing, and they have no problem with subversion and falsehood as a means to their impossible ends. Remember, Bush doesn't even read the newspaper. And these guys have his ear just because they shout the loudest. Honestly, Bush shouldn't ever have gotten public office. He'd be perfectly tolerable if he were, say, the goofy, affable owner of the Texas Rangers. (Thanks for Sammy, by the way.)
As far as the dumbassed political speakers go, it is an odd situation currently. I have noticed, though, that the only prominent asshole liberal is Michael Moore. I've heard it before, and I think it holds: nowadays, this is a very-right wing country. I think we just got too lucky for our own good, and now we think the same old crap still holds, and we give the most preposterous right-wing idiots way too much of our ears and minds. Seriously, if you want some good American discourse, read the New Yorker, read Al Franken, read Molly Ivins. I can't stress Molly Ivins enough. She's just unbelievable. Try to find her earlier editorial collections (such as Molly Ivins Can't Say That, Can She). I'll bet they'll be at a local library. If nothing else, read her horrifyingly true skewerings of the Texas state legislature. Guh.
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They once passed a motion commending the Boston Strangler for his efforts in population control. Fun bunch, the Texas legislature.
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I swear, years from now, historians will vote Bush Jr as the most inept and ridiculous president this country has ever had.
Nope. He is bad, but Grant was a drunk in office and Warren G. Harding has him just flat beat. Like Clinton's sex drive and Bush's brain. Guh. Would that we could get a President the other way around.
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And they will vote for Bush Jr Jr a few month later.
No, they won't. For one thing, Bush got in due to the Florida shenanigans (he lost the popular vote, remember). For another, you don't repeat the word Junior. It'd be George Bush III.
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| Iggy 3377th Post
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| "Re(10):US Military Draft for June 2005" , posted Sun 23 May 11:56:
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I really don't see how it benefited us in terms of free oil
See it the other way : the companies that had contracts with Irak before the war, either non american, evil, french companies, don't have contracts there with anyone anymore, and are less than likely to get any in the near future. That, and the reconstruction thing.
Then, even though it seems stupid now (and it already seemed stupid a year ago, at least from here), they did think everything would go smooth and people in Bagdad would welcome the american invaders with cheers and flowers and that bare chested women (I mean : without the jihad fighter- belt) would kiss their feet.
Rugal : E3 is finished, we were fed with so many exciting news at once that now looks like a no-man-land of gaming news. Let's wait a few weeks and the beta test of some copipe fighting game, and everything will be alright. And also - it's Cannes, goddamnit !
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| Luisinan 902th Post
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| "Re(7):Re(10):US Military Draft for June 2005" , posted Sun 23 May 17:33
Argh. Let me just defend Moore and pick on Bush one last time.
As for Moore. Look, the biggest criticism he gets is for his physical appearance and his 'leftist extremism.' But he backs up the points he makes with facts. You can also argue that he slants his films and books in a liberal perspective-- but still, he backs his shit up. The guy may be a lot of things, but he doesn't make up shit to be cool and famous or whatever.
As for Bush, the guy is corrupt. C'mon. The 2000 election was not conducted properly and he worked it so that a fair re-count could not be conducted. Then there's the big tax right-off for the rich. The senior health care plan that was WAY under-estimated. And the war on Iraq. All of these policies have benefited the rich, special interest groups and the megacorps. Plus, he keeps getting 'mis-information.' Remember another reason to invade Iraq because of the supposed Iraq-Al Queda-terrorism connection. There never was one. There never were WMD.
Oh yeah, and his greatest feat. Ignoring the majority of the world, and the greater part of the UN when it came to invading/liberating Iraq. American arrogance at its best.
I consider myself a middle of the road liberal but in retrospect, maybe it would have been great if Dole had won the '96 election. That way, Dole would have been the Republican candidate in 2000 instead of Bush. That would have just pushed Bush' nomination until 2004. Ugh.
Sorry. I won't bring this up anymore, unless Radish or anyone else argues a specific point against me.
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| Iggy 3385th Post
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| "make love not loading time" , posted Mon 24 May 01:25
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| Dante
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| "Re(4):US Military Draft for June 2005" , posted Sat 29 May 13:36
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I swear, years from now, historians will vote Bush Jr as the most inept and ridiculous president this country has ever had. He is a living, breathing, Chappelle joke.
Yes, and six months from now, Americans will be on the same boat, making the same mistake of voting him in for a second term.
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Man. Saddam was/is evil. But if the US army leaves Iraq in the state that it is in right-- shit. It might be a worse place to live then it was before.
"We" allowed Saddam to rule. Who is more evil?
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I frankly do not like Kerry, but I dislike Bush worse.
What WONDERFUL "choices" we have. :)
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If he would lie about it (and if he did he deserves to be thrown out of office) he would have to know his lie would have been discovered when we went into Iraq and didn't find the weapons he knew weren't there.
The only condition for which a President should be thrown out of office is for ADULTERY! It is in the commandments for Christ's sake!
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With regard to the Bush presidency, Bush isn't the main problem
*All politicians self perpetuate the problem.
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It's hard [to vote]when both choices are so lame.
Indeed.
As for the draft... The government is supposed to represent the people. If there is nobody willing to fight, the government is the one that will be attacked.
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Includes some examples to go along with what Radish said. Both the article and the moorexposed.com site, though, do seem a bit subjective in tone. 
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