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Oroch

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"Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 15:55

has anyone tried this rpg?
is it worth 50 bucks + 10 bucks a month?

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Pollyanna

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"Re(1):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 16:00

Welllll...how much do you like this sort of game? I played it and thought it was...erm...roughly comparable to FFXI at least? I mean, it gave you lots to do, and it was user-friendly, but it was also sort of sloppy and glitchy as many PC games tend to be.

But I think it's actually more than $10 a month, and no game is worth that much.

DarkZero

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"Re(2):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 16:50

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Welllll...how much do you like this sort of game? I played it and thought it was...erm...roughly comparable to FFXI at least? I mean, it gave you lots to do, and it was user-friendly, but it was also sort of sloppy and glitchy as many PC games tend to be.

But I think it's actually more than $10 a month, and no game is worth that much.

If you buy the prepaid version from a retail store, then it's $15 a month. Not sure if it's cheaper to just have a normal subscription, though.

Spoon

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"Re(1):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 19:09

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has anyone tried this rpg?
is it worth 50 bucks + 10 bucks a month?

It looks fairly pretty, but that's it.
It's a strictly treadmilling game, and you're gonna have to treadmill a lot before you can participate in any PvP events.

If there is a free trial and you still have a real interest in it, go for that and by the end of it I'm sure any interest you have in the game will be quelled. Even what HerVerts would describe as faptacular panty shots will get old after a few days of play. Did I mention that the beta download was a bit over 1GB? That was funny all by itself.

Ammadeau

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"Re(1):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 20:05

quote:
has anyone tried this rpg?
is it worth 50 bucks + 10 bucks a month?

You could be playing Guild Wars right now for free instead.

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Spoon

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"Re(2):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 20:37

quote:
has anyone tried this rpg?
is it worth 50 bucks + 10 bucks a month?

You could be playing Guild Wars right now for free instead.

Will the trial end when E3 ends?

Ammadeau

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"Re(3):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 21:53

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Will the trial end when E3 ends?

Not sure. It started a day early, so they might keep it going longer, and anyway I'm sure they'll be a beta test coming soon so maybe they'll let E3 players into that.

I sure as heck want in. I think the game is great AND has no monthly fees. It makes me wonder why people bother with other MMORPGs.

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Spoon

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"Re(4):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 22:04

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I sure as heck want in. I think the game is great AND has no monthly fees. It makes me wonder why people bother with other MMORPGs.

After reading it through, it sounds basically like Diablo in terms of its multiplayer style (they make it sound like it's so innovative on their site...), but has tons of handy teleporters to everywhere like in the RO Sakray thingy.

Ammadeau

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"Re(5):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 22:48

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After reading it through, it sounds basically like Diablo in terms of its multiplayer style (they make it sound like it's so innovative on their site...), but has tons of handy teleporters to everywhere like in the RO Sakray thingy.

Which are you talking about now? Lineage 2? I don't know anything about it, but there's nothing that can make me pay a monthly fee for a game unless it was a really good game and the fee was $5. I don't want to feel I have to play to get my money worth.

If you mean Guild Wars, I've been playing it like a crack addict so I already know it's really good. There are some minor issues, but this is the alpha version so I expect tweaking is on the way. It's already better than EQ, FFXI, and dare I say it? WoW. Mainly due to the group PvP focus.

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Phoenix

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"Re(6):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 22:55

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Mainly due to the group PvP focus.

But that's what makes Lineage II special and different from the others. It's also the thing that many people hate. Lineage II is a game that's not meant to be soloed. It's meant to be a cooperative multiplayer game.

"My only enemy is myself...and my ex-girlfriend and..."

Spoon

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"Re(6):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 23:11

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After reading it through, it sounds basically like Diablo in terms of its multiplayer style (they make it sound like it's so innovative on their site...), but has tons of handy teleporters to everywhere like in the RO Sakray thingy.

Which are you talking about now? Lineage 2? I don't know anything about it, but there's nothing that can make me pay a monthly fee for a game unless it was a really good game and the fee was $5. I don't want to feel I have to play to get my money worth.

If you mean Guild Wars, I've been playing it like a crack addict so I already know it's really good. There are some minor issues, but this is the alpha version so I expect tweaking is on the way. It's already better than EQ, FFXI, and dare I say it? WoW. Mainly due to the group PvP focus.

I was talking about Guild Wars...
And it had damn well better be better than EQ and the like, because those games are all treadmill (and the combat isn't even very interesting...)

Ammadeau

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"Re(7):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 23:42

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But that's what makes Lineage II special and different from the others. It's also the thing that many people hate. Lineage II is a game that's not meant to be soloed. It's meant to be a cooperative multiplayer game.

Guild Wars has that and doesn't charge you $15 for the privilage. While it does have solo stuff, its mainly co-op and pvp. In fact, my character can't solo. She'd get slaughters. She's a pure support character, but in that she works great.

As for treadmill, GW is made to be flexible so you won't have to worry about crap like that. I've yet to focus on improving my character, yet I have a very nice (and high damage) bow as well as four extra skills. The game even lets you redo your attributes in case you want to shift the focus of your character.

You can tell they really put a lot of thought into the game systems. And playing 8 vs 8 capture the relic is the most fun online I've ever had. :)

In a sense it's less an MMORPG and more what PSO v3 should have been instead of a card game.

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Phoenix

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"Re(8):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 23:51:

People's biggest pet peeve about Lineage II is the PvP. Lineage's greatest strenth is the co-op fun and the siege system...well that and the hot elf chicks. GW sounds like a great game too.

edit: anyways my prediction for the best MMORPG ever so far? WOW. Trust me on this.

"My only enemy is myself...and my ex-girlfriend and..."

[this message was edited by Phoenix on Wed 12 May 23:57]

Ammadeau

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"Re(9):Lineage II" , posted Wed 12 May 23:57

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People's biggest pet peeve about Lineage II is the PvP. Lineage's greatest strenth is the co-op fun and the siege system...well that and the hot elf chicks. GW sounds like a great game too.

I wonder why. While I hate individual pvp, group pvp is about the best online experience you can have because no matter how good the game's AI is, it'll never come close to a human opponent. Co-op is fun, but it's just not the same level.

I wanted to be a hot elf chick in GW, but I have to settle for a hot human chick since they haven't added other races yet. :p

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Spoon

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"Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Thu 13 May 00:18

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People's biggest pet peeve about Lineage II is the PvP. Lineage's greatest strenth is the co-op fun and the siege system...well that and the hot elf chicks. GW sounds like a great game too.

I wonder why. While I hate individual pvp, group pvp is about the best online experience you can have because no matter how good the game's AI is, it'll never come close to a human opponent. Co-op is fun, but it's just not the same level.

I wanted to be a hot elf chick in GW, but I have to settle for a hot human chick since they haven't added other races yet. :p

Have you not seen the images of the human female spellcaster with the short, dark hair in Lineage 2? Unless you have a pointy elf ear fetish...

Ammadeau

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"Re(2):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Thu 13 May 00:23

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Have you not seen the images of the human female spellcaster with the short, dark hair in Lineage 2? Unless you have a pointy elf ear fetish...

Nope, though my character in GW looks vaguely drow-like with her dark skin and white hair, and also short stature. GW has some really nice character models, though for some reason doesn't give you much choice of hair for male warriors. 'So would you like a crewcut... or an even shorter crewcut?'

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Fatality
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"Re(3):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Thu 13 May 02:58

planning to play Lineage 2 when i get into uni, unless another better mmorpg comes along. The game looks fun, especially castle siege. But i cant really judge since the only mmorpg i played it RO.

Oroch

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"Re(4):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Thu 13 May 07:29

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planning to play Lineage 2 when i get into uni, unless another better mmorpg comes along. The game looks fun, especially castle siege. But i cant really judge since the only mmorpg i played it RO.

im playing guild wars currently(just the 3 day e3 demo), but i thought they were gonna charge a monthly fee for that as well

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Ammadeau

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"Re(5):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Thu 13 May 11:02

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im playing guild wars currently(just the 3 day e3 demo), but i thought they were gonna charge a monthly fee for that as well

No, one of the main hooks is no monthly fee, but add-ons every six months.

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Pollyanna

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"Re(6):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Thu 13 May 19:19

Guild Wars is not THAT great. It's ugly and basic and to me, somewhat pointless and limited. HOWEVER, in a sense, you get what you pay for, and Guild Wars delivers well for a game with no monthly fee. The gameplay is easy to get into, relatively fun and basically free of irritation. Since this is an early verion of the game, I can maybe let the sloppiness go, not because I don't think the final product will be like that, but rather because it would be arrogant for me to assume that it would be.

However, when it comes to depth of experience and system, it doesn't even touch Lineage 2 or FFXI. In a way, this is good, because I don't like the obsessive breakneck speed and devotion you have to shell out for those sort of games. It's not that I didn't LIKE FFXI, it's just that it was too much, and way too expensive, no matter HOW much it has to offer.

Lineage 2 seemed a bit more user-friendly overall, but was also a bit sloppy in comparison to FFXI (which makes me want to say "see? Console games are just BETTER!)

I dunno...I may be biased because I'm only SO interested in online RPGS...or...that is to say that I haven't found one that offers an experience like I want. FFXI is close...but it's still riddled with irritations. Lineage is less irritating, but sloppier and Guild Wars is in a class of it's own.

Of course, who cares about my opinion, as the number one thing that I have to have before even considering playing a game online is a cute character. If I don't love who I am, then I can't enjoy the game.

Ammadeau

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"Re(7):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Thu 13 May 20:18

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However, when it comes to depth of experience and system, it doesn't even touch Lineage 2 or FFXI.

How can you judge this when you can't even level in the Guild Wars alpha? The whole Guild system that the game gets its name from isn't even there yet.

But really, what matters to me is not so much character improvement or the depth offered in that, but the experience of each game session. FFXI was... well, boring for one thing and felt like the same thing over and over and over. GW has a more varied exprience, especially with the PvP focus.

I don't want to spend four hours every day working on blacksmithing to improve one of fifty skills my character has so I can eventually move to the next rank or whatever... to me there couldn't be anything more pointless. And to pay $15 for the privilage is just a slap in the face.

Games are to have fun and to me Guild Wars offers a fun experience that's varied enough not to become monotonous.

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Pollyanna

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"Re(8):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Fri 14 May 12:33

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How can you judge this when you can't even level in the Guild Wars alpha? The whole Guild system that the game gets its name from isn't even there yet.

Oh, good gosh...I wrote this long message and now I forget to put my username in and I have to do it all over again.

Well, let me just say that I agree with you more than I disagree. FFXI, while offering more things than you can ever do (an impressive achievement) and being very well put together, does, as you said, tend to become boring. The only thing I REALLY enjoy doing in FFXI is partying in big groups in very difficult/desperate fights. That's...like, the height for fun for me, though the rest of the game is practically nothing but pain.

So...yes, I'd rather have an inexpensive game with less options that are well-integrated. I don't know how sloppy and limited Guild Wars will be in the end, I just know that it most likely won't touch the depth of other online RPGS. (this isn't necessarily a bad thing) I also can't imagine what the impact of leveling up will be, as it may result in hours and hours of monotony/desperation to reach an impossible goal like every other online RPG out there. So...you're right...I can't say how it will be, but I CAN say how it is after playing it.

I know it's a dumb, girly thing to say, but I really have a problem with how ugly everyone is in Guild Wars, especially after how beautiful everyone is in Lineage. Arghhh...I just want Nobunaga's Ambition Onliiiiiineeeeee.

Ammadeau

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"Re(9):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Fri 14 May 20:31

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I know it's a dumb, girly thing to say, but I really have a problem with how ugly everyone is in Guild Wars, especially after how beautiful everyone is in Lineage. Arghhh...I just want Nobunaga's Ambition Onliiiiiineeeeee.

Okay, the guys all look they were chopped from blocks of granite and given bad wigs, but I don't think the female models look too bad. The female necromancer looks especially cool... too bad she was completely worthless in a fight, though should have combined her with an archer instead of a warrior. But if there isn't more models to choose from in the start (and I'm pretty sure there will be) then there's always the expansion packs.

For leveling, the developers say in their faq it won't be as important as it is in other games so it shouldn't be a treadmilling situation. I say should of course, because it's too early to tell if they'll keep that promise. Since it's an alpha, it's probably too early to tell about anything except the most basic gameplay.

What do you really want in an MMORPG? All I want really is a game that I can play casually, which means a monthly fee is a deal breaker for me. I just don't want to invest the kind of time it'd take to get my money's worth from that. So it really needs to be that and a fun experience. And not something like PSO where it takes a million years to level either and rare are a one and a billion find.

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Pollyanna

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"Re(10):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Sat 15 May 15:54

Well, of course, I want an experience that is varied and deep with an online RPG. I want a complex system that doesn't overwhelm, or doesn't require too much devotion. I want to have FUN, but I want depth as well. I don't want to reach my goal too easily, but I don't want to feel like I'm running up the wrong side of an escalator, either. I don't think PSO required too much devotion, but it also lacked depth.

I don't mind paying a monthly fee, as long as it's like...$5 or something. Like you, I really can't put $12 worth of gameplay into a game every month...nor would I want to. And when I'm not playing...I'm thinking "wow, there goes my money."

I also want a world that I WANT to be in. The FFXI world is like purgatory. It's not fun, it's not pretty...it's not ugly or hellish...it's just...bleagh. I want locations that are fun...a hometown to be proud of...nice clothes to wear, lots of personalization, good teamwork, but some competition as well. From what I've seen, I really want Nobunaga's Ambition Online. ^^'''
Check out the webpage for movies...it's totally worth it.

Yeah, all the guys, excluding the hunters (or was it archers) in Guild Wars looked terrible. The girls were a bit better, but totally not my style. I liked the elementalist girl with the kinda long pink hair. (well, long and parted in the front) That was about the only character I could manage to look at for very long. The female necromancers had the right IDEA, but something about their design rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe it's just too "American" or something.

Also, please forgive me if I'm not making any sense. I'm on a lot of medication right now.

Ammadeau

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"Re(2):Re(10):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Sun 16 May 01:24:

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I want locations that are fun...a hometown to be proud of...nice clothes to wear, lots of personalization, good teamwork, but some competition as well. From what I've seen, I really want Nobunaga's Ambition Online. ^^'''
Check out the webpage for movies...it's totally worth it.

Watched the trailer for Nobunaga and absolutely loved the setting... but that's really all that I loved. The character designs were better than GW overall, but they're also traditional stuff I've already seen in dozens of other games so they can't really excite me. And I really don't like how the combat is, though the idea of group attacks is cool. That said, I think setting is a huge part of MMORPGs and I would definitely give it a try if it ever comes to the US.

You'll be able to own and operate a Guild hall in Guild Wars, which isn't the level of customization I really want, but it'll be enough for me until a better game comes around.

I also watched the trailer of Lineage 2... is it as boring to play as it looks? You think with the trailer they would want to make the game seem as exciting as possible, but I was so bored watching it that I couldn't even finish it. Really nice character designs though.

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

[this message was edited by Ammadeau on Sun 16 May 01:33]

JJWE

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"Re(3):Re(10):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Sun 16 May 02:31

If you've ever played RO, you've basically played Lineage II as well, since the game mechanics are almost identical.

(although Lineage seems a lot more polished than RO ever was (when I last played it, years ago))

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Ammadeau

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"Re(4):Re(10):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Sun 16 May 03:08

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If you've ever played RO, you've basically played Lineage II as well, since the game mechanics are almost identical.

(although Lineage seems a lot more polished than RO ever was (when I last played it, years ago))

I once played RO on my notebook computer, which had very little memory so the loading times between levels was really long... and for me that was the best part of the experience. :p

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Ammadeau

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"Re(4):Re(10):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Sun 16 May 03:09

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If you've ever played RO, you've basically played Lineage II as well, since the game mechanics are almost identical.

(although Lineage seems a lot more polished than RO ever was (when I last played it, years ago))

I once played RO on my notebook computer, which had very little memory so the loading times between levels was really long... and for me that was the best part of the experience. :p

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

JJWE

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"Re(5):Re(10):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Sun 16 May 03:38

Well, then I guess neither RO nor Lineage is for you.

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Oroch

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"Re(2):Re(10):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Sun 16 May 05:35

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Well, of course, I want an experience that is varied and deep with an online RPG. I want a complex system that doesn't overwhelm, or doesn't require too much devotion. I want to have FUN, but I want depth as well. I don't want to reach my goal too easily, but I don't want to feel like I'm running up the wrong side of an escalator, either. I don't think PSO required too much devotion, but it also lacked depth.

I don't mind paying a monthly fee, as long as it's like...$5 or something. Like you, I really can't put $12 worth of gameplay into a game every month...nor would I want to. And when I'm not playing...I'm thinking "wow, there goes my money."

I also want a world that I WANT to be in. The FFXI world is like purgatory. It's not fun, it's not pretty...it's not ugly or hellish...it's just...bleagh. I want locations that are fun...a hometown to be proud of...nice clothes to wear, lots of personalization, good teamwork, but some competition as well. From what I've seen, I really want Nobunaga's Ambition Online. ^^'''
Check out the webpage for movies...it's totally worth it.

Yeah, all the guys, excluding the hunters (or was it archers) in Guild Wars looked terrible. The girls were a bit better, but totally not my style. I liked the elementalist girl with the kinda long pink hair. (well, long and parted in the front) That was about the only character I could manage to look at for very long. The female necromancers had the right IDEA, but something about their design rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe it's just too "American" or something.

Also, please forgive me if I'm not making any sense. I'm on a lot of medication right now.

i dont think they gave us all the textures and models for the demo, youve got to remember gw is just a alpha right now

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Ammadeau

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"Re(3):Re(10):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Sun 16 May 06:12

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i dont think they gave us all the textures and models for the demo, youve got to remember gw is just a alpha right now

Yeah, not even all the classes are in yet. The final should have more than double, not including the expansions.

Out of curiousity, I spent some time researching all the current and upcoming MMORPGs... well, not all since there's a huge ammount of them, but the more popular ones. 90% of them are ugly as sin and offer basically nothing that hasn't been done to death already. In fact, the only one besides GW that interested me was Dragon Empires since its even more group pvp focused with controlling various player created cities, but there's not enough info on how it actually plays to really judge it. It also falls into the 'ugly as sin' catagory, unfortunately.

Updated when I can... which isn't very often. ^_^;;

Pollyanna

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"Re(4):Re(10):Re(10):Lineage II" , posted Sun 16 May 11:17

I think Nobunaga's Ambition is the only one with a totally "traditional" RPG system, though...which in itself is pretty exciting.

Lineage, to me...was a bit MORE exciting than FFXI when you were alone, because it moves faster. In groups, nothing can beat the insanity in FFXI, but...I didn't play with that much. I consider both games...and RO pretty boring, mostly because it's non-thinking repetition. (FFXI is a mix between non-thinking repitition and crazy panic fun, but not enough panic fun for me).

Ah, but now I'm playing Monster Hunter, which is not REALLY an RPG, I suppose, but it IS fun, and you have 24 faces to pick from. 24~!!!!