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| BBCKazuki
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|  "Digging up an old thread but..."
, posted Wed 5 May 06:03
I recall a thread about which would win, a katana or rapier. I don't know what the eventual decision was, but I remembered an actual "test" of that competition and well as another interesting one. These were both on "Trivia no Izumi." Those who live in Japan I'm sure know of it. Great show. (Skip to the bottom if someone already mentioned this)
Anyway, it was a 1 hit competition between a top level Japanese kendo and fencing athletes. A bit different from katana and rapier, but hey, what can you do.
They made a hybrid of the rules accepted by both sides and custom equipment. The hit would be decided by a kendo judge and the standard electronic fencing detection system.
As expected, the fencer attacked fast and scored a grazing hit on the side of the kendo guy's chest plate. This won him the match. However.
About a half second after the initial hit, the kendo guy whacked the fencer over the head cleanly.
Thus if those were real weapons, the kendo guy would need a new chest plate. maybe a dialysis machine if it punctured his kidney.
The fencer would need a body bag/head transplant.
Random trivia from a show with too much time/money.
Anyway, this week brought up another interesting one.
If you took a top quality, modern katana, and shot it with a Colt Government (45 cal) at point blank (a few meters) straight at the blade, would the bullet split on the blade, or would the katana break?
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| Time Mage 1875th Post
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| "Re(6):Digging up an old thread but..." , posted Wed 5 May 10:45
Exact. Katanas have only ONE thrusting basic attack, while with a rapier you have an unlimited amount of possible thrusts: due to its relative low weight and needle-like shape, any angle was a possible one.
Anyway, the katana vs rapier match would not be an easy one for both fighters, because although the fencer has more possibilities of striking first, that wouldn't stop an uncoming katana swing... and those are deadly most of the time.
I suppose that a careful fencer, aware enough of what he's fighting would have more possibilities of winning than the katana user (suposed equally informed about his opponent style), but that's all: possibilities.
Heh, curiosly enough, the thrusting attacks are the worse ones in the most popular sword-based game: Soul Calibur (I and II).
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| BBCKazuki
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| "Re(1):Digging up an old thread but..." , posted Thu 6 May 01:45
quote:
Anyway, this week brought up another interesting one.
If you took a top quality, modern katana, and shot it with a Colt Government (45 cal) at point blank (a few meters) straight at the blade, would the bullet split on the blade, or would the katana break?
Well, just to pose an answer for those curious. Note that the katana was worth abbout 900000yen and firmly mounted. the Colt was also mounted and pointed at the strongest point of the blade. A slow motion camera was recording the whole deal.
What ended up happening is the bullet split in two, and the halves continued on their merry way, albeit about 15 degrees away from the blade.
The katana was essentially unharmed.
The gun shop owner, rather upset that he lost, demanded a rematch. again and again and again. Same result. The katana smith simply said "Maa, nihonto wa konna mon ne."
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| Time Mage 1877th Post
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| "Re(2):Digging up an old thread but..." , posted Thu 6 May 03:22
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Well, just to pose an answer for those curious. Note that the katana was worth abbout 900000yen and firmly mounted. the Colt was also mounted and pointed at the strongest point of the blade. A slow motion camera was recording the whole deal.
What ended up happening is the bullet split in two, and the halves continued on their merry way, albeit about 15 degrees away from the blade.
The katana was essentially unharmed.
The gun shop owner, rather upset that he lost, demanded a rematch. again and again and again. Same result. The katana smith simply said "Maa, nihonto wa konna mon ne."
But that's not a matter of "power", it's a matter of the materials used. Lead (what most bulllets are made of) is much softer than the finely tempered steel of a katana. So, if you send at a high velocity a bullet onto the edge of a katana, upon contact, the pressure of the katana's edge, plus the softness of the bullet will lead always to the same result, obviously.
However, when it comes to effectivenes (that is, killing people) guns have proved much more efficient.
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| Oroch 565th Post
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| "Re(3):Digging up an old thread but..." , posted Thu 6 May 06:35
quote:
Well, just to pose an answer for those curious. Note that the katana was worth abbout 900000yen and firmly mounted. the Colt was also mounted and pointed at the strongest point of the blade. A slow motion camera was recording the whole deal.
What ended up happening is the bullet split in two, and the halves continued on their merry way, albeit about 15 degrees away from the blade.
The katana was essentially unharmed.
The gun shop owner, rather upset that he lost, demanded a rematch. again and again and again. Same result. The katana smith simply said "Maa, nihonto wa konna mon ne."
But that's not a matter of "power", it's a matter of the materials used. Lead (what most bulllets are made of) is much softer than the finely tempered steel of a katana. So, if you send at a high velocity a bullet onto the edge of a katana, upon contact, the pressure of the katana's edge, plus the softness of the bullet will lead always to the same result, obviously.
However, when it comes to effectivenes (that is, killing people) guns have proved much more efficient.
just so you know
most handguns dont even put a dink on the lightest of body armours
the bullets are usually not fast enough and not big enough, even at close range
That geisha with the red kimono in Beat's Zatoichi is hot.
真剣勝負
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