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| Spoon 270th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Rapier and Katana"
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I've been agonizing over this for a while.
You think altogether much too hard.
But in order to avoid making a purely troll post, I must contribute. Damn.
You must, however, first state what definition of a rapier you are using, as there are two:
a double-edged sword
or a thrusting-only sword with no cutting edge
You must second consider that it is highly unlikely that anybody here, myself included, will be able to give you a well-informed response.
So now I spray.
If you are to compare bladed sword with a bladed sword, it's hard to argue with katana technology. And no, don't try throwing any modern metallurgical or sci-fi stuff into the rapier. Unless you are in need of something heavy enough to smash pikes and otherwise bludgeon your way through plate mail (neither of which the rapier would do, to be fair), then a katana is just about the best in medieval blades.
The pointy thruster is a whole other matter, one which I am even less qualified to speak on.
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| Time Mage 1860th Post
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| "Re(3):Rapier and Katana" , posted Fri 23 Apr 07:12
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thrusting is a more effective and efficient motion than slashing when using swords
rapiers(thrusting) and katanas(slashing) are two different tools made for two different purposes, dunno how you would compare them
Well, that's the key. A "hole" is a more fatal wound than a cut, generally, and it's more effective to thrust than to slash. The thrust only requires an extension of the arms, while the slash requires an arcing movement and an extension/contraction, it's more complex. Also, the rapier is lighter, since it doesn't need the weight to cause great cuts. However, katanas are *very* sharp (I mean, razor-like sharp), and quite heavy, so one hit is usually fatal, also.
And, if you're asking about a katana vs rapier fight, it's of course all about the dexterity of the wielders, but if we put that aside, the rapier user can't afford any clash of the weapons, since the rapier will break or bend, but will maybe have the advantage of the speed.
It all depends.
BTW, double edged rapiers have also a very sharp tip, and that was the type used in the 1500-1600 period in Europe. It was meant to thrust, but it could also cut.
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| Time Mage 1863th Post
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| "Re(7):Rapier and Katana" , posted Fri 23 Apr 10:26:
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also you're assuming that they would clash
if youre fencing against a heavier blade, youre not gonna let your blades touch
not to mention if you've got a rapier youve most likely got a shield/cloak or another weapon in your other hand, and you're gonna be a lot quicker than a katana user
if youre gonna make a bet, bet on the rapier
The fact is that I agree with all you're saying, the confusion has to be something about my engrish... ^_^U
I also think that the rapier has some advantages, I was only trying to put all the pros and cons of both swords in consideration.
Also, one of the most used complements of a rapier is a parrying dagger in the other hand, a pretty common style in the 1500-1600 era, specially in Spain and France, IIRC.
Also, a shield is usually worn with and against heavyer swords.
EDIT: Very, very good article there, Mosquiton. Everyone interested, give it a look. It basically discuss what we have said here, but with a bit more of depth and knowledge.
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| Phoenix 326th Post
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| "Re(1):Alatriste vs Kenshin." , posted Fri 23 Apr 11:03:
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Perhaps this thread's title should be "let's talk about swords cuz we're all sword freaks and gun sucks and don't you think Vicious > Spike etc." Bah, nice inputs here tho.
Except for the Vicious>Spike bit (I'll always be fan of Spike no matter in he smokes or uses guns), yeah, I agree, I'm also a sword freak... That's why I've been able to respond to this with some ease... I've thought about this (and other fights) a lot in my free time! 
BTW, bonus points if you know who the Capitán Alatriste is.
Well yes, I'm more of a Spike fan than Vicious fan myself too. But that doesn't mean I don't think Vicious' weapon is cool. *goes off to google Alatriste*
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Found! It's the LORD (Stryder)...interesting
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/forum2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12149
Alatriste news
Hidalgo and "The Lord of the Rings" star Viggo Mortensen is in talks to topline the Spanish period adventure film Alatriste, in the eponymous role of Captain Alatriste, a Spanish soldier-cum-mercenary embroiled in the country's 16th century imperial wars.
Variety says the film has been written and will be directed by Agustin Diaz Yanes (No News From God). Mexican Gael Garcia Bernal (The Motorcycle Diaries) is in talks to play Alatriste's page Inigo. Spanish actress Elena Anaya (Van Helsing) looks likely to have a co-starring role as Angelica de Alquezar, Inigo's love-interest.
Alatriste is budgeted at north of E20 million ($24.4 million), which would make it the most expensive Spanish film ever made. Unusually for such a high-range film by local standards, the film will be shot in Spanish. Mortensen speaks perfect Spanish, having lived in Argentina for years.
Alatriste will start filming in January, shooting in the Spanish cities of Seville and Toledo, as well as in northern Spain. Alatriste is the protagonist of a five-novel series, "Las aventuras del capitan Alatriste," written by one of Spain's bestselling novelists, Arturo Perez Reverte.
"My only enemy is myself...and my ex-girlfriend and..."
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| Time Mage 1864th Post
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| "Re(2):Alatriste vs Kenshin." , posted Fri 23 Apr 16:39
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The sad thing is Kenshin fights a rapier swordsman in one of the episodes in the third season and wins quickly and easily. The action director didn't explore the possiblities at ALL.
Yeah, that's right, but the truth is, the third season of Kenshin was quite forgettable. The guy with the rapier kept thrusting senselessly, with no strategy at all. Not that I expected something much more ellaborated, but yeah, it was quite deceiving.
And about Alatriste, the key here are the books (read them if you can, they're great), rather than the upcoming film. Although I'm eagerly awaiting it, I don't agree with most of the cast they've chosen. Vigo Mortessen is a good actor, but Alatriste is way more manly than what Mortensen can display, I'm afraid.
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