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| Cain Highwind 368th Post
 
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|  "Naruto, you jerk!"
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Anyway, is it just me or was KH1 not that great that people make it to be.
A good game, yes, but some people thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced butter.
Or buttered bread.
I myself wouldn't say it's THAT good. The game definetely had flaws. But amongst recent Square titles, at least, it really stands out.
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As for KH2, disney have already completly spoiled and ruined KH1 so as long as they are in the 2, I didn't have much hope for it.
What the hell is your problem? Whenever something about KH comes up, you make some random crap about KH2 getting canceled because of angry fans, or just downright hate it. Besides, why are you blaming Disney, when Square made it?
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| talbaineric 5975th Post
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| "Re(1):Naruto, you jerk!" , posted Wed 21 Apr 14:16
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As for KH2, disney have already completly spoiled and ruined KH1 so as long as they are in the 2, I didn't have much hope for it.
What the hell is your problem? Whenever something about KH comes up, you make some random crap about KH2 getting canceled because of angry fans, or just downright hate it. Besides, why are you blaming Disney, when Square made it?
He's not a big Disney fan. :p
Well,Disney Interactive had something to do with it,ne?
I dunno. I think KH was was one of the finest things to come out of Square. I love this game and I can't wait for 2.
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| Cain Highwind 370th Post
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| "Re(2):Naruto, you jerk!" , posted Wed 21 Apr 14:21
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As for KH2, disney have already completly spoiled and ruined KH1 so as long as they are in the 2, I didn't have much hope for it.
What the hell is your problem? Whenever something about KH comes up, you make some random crap about KH2 getting canceled because of angry fans, or just downright hate it. Besides, why are you blaming Disney, when Square made it?
He's not a big Disney fan. :p
Well,Disney Interactive had something to do with it,ne?
I dunno. I think KH was was one of the finest things to come out of Square. I love this game and I can't wait for 2.
Disney/Squaresoft=owange!
I guess. I mean it's his opinion, I don't want to turn this topic into a "OMG I hate his opinion!". It's just people bashing games for no good reason just pisses me off and annoys me to no end. He did the same thing for KoF:MI.
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| talbaineric 5976th Post
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| "Re(3):Naruto, you jerk!" , posted Wed 21 Apr 14:55
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As for KH2, disney have already completly spoiled and ruined KH1 so as long as they are in the 2, I didn't have much hope for it.
What the hell is your problem? Whenever something about KH comes up, you make some random crap about KH2 getting canceled because of angry fans, or just downright hate it. Besides, why are you blaming Disney, when Square made it?
He's not a big Disney fan. :p
Well,Disney Interactive had something to do with it,ne?
I dunno. I think KH was was one of the finest things to come out of Square. I love this game and I can't wait for 2.
Disney/Squaresoft=owange!
I guess. I mean it's his opinion, I don't want to turn this topic into a "OMG I hate his opinion!". It's just people bashing games for no good reason just pisses me off and annoys me to no end. He did the same thing for KoF:MI.
Really? I must've missed that.
I still wanna know what roles Auron and Meg will play.
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| DarkZero 724th Post
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| "Re(3):Re(10):New KH2 scans: Auron and Meg spo" , posted Wed 21 Apr 15:58
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Megura sucks, in KH1 they got rid of her and Hercules level was fine, now she's back which means Square must have decided it was easier to put her in then bulid that gun that shots hammers into the crouches of whoever buys the game.
I kind of have to agree with this. In my opinion, one of the real weak points of the game was the cluster of annoying levels that you hit as soon as left Traverse Town, namely Alice in Wonderland, Tarzan, and Hercules. All three were devoid of any life or interest and generally lived up to anyone's poor expectations of Kingdom Hearts. With the exception of the Peter Pan level, these three were probably the worst settings in the game. And even though the Colloseum's amusing, novel gameplay ultimately redeemed it, it was still a lifeless setting with uninteresting characters. And now they're going to expand it?!
These announcements seem like one step forward and one step back. On the one hand, we get more of The Beast, who was one of the most interesting Disney characters in the game, as well as Auron, who should make a nice complement/replacement for Leon. But on the other, they've expanded the Hercules level, which means another few hours spent in a dull, annoying setting.
But regardless, what's ultimately going to make or break the game for me is whether or not there's a Hard Mode option. Playing Kingdom Hearts for the first time on Hard Mode, along with choosing the sword in the beginning, was surprisingly similar to playing Devil May Cry. It was fun playing a game like Kingdom Hearts without just breezing through it and I really hope that I'll be able to do that again in KH2.
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| Cain Highwind 371th Post
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| "Re(4):Re(10):New KH2 scans: Auron and Meg spo" , posted Wed 21 Apr 17:26
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I kind of have to agree with this. In my opinion, one of the real weak points of the game was the cluster of annoying levels that you hit as soon as left Traverse Town, namely Alice in Wonderland, Tarzan, and Hercules. All three were devoid of any life or interest and generally lived up to anyone's poor expectations of Kingdom Hearts. With the exception of the Peter Pan level, these three were probably the worst settings in the game. And even though the Colloseum's amusing, novel gameplay ultimately redeemed it, it was still a lifeless setting with uninteresting characters. And now they're going to expand it?!
These announcements seem like one step forward and one step back. On the one hand, we get more of The Beast, who was one of the most interesting Disney characters in the game, as well as Auron, who should make a nice complement/replacement for Leon. But on the other, they've expanded the Hercules level, which means another few hours spent in a dull, annoying setting.
But regardless, what's ultimately going to make or break the game for me is whether or not there's a Hard Mode option. Playing Kingdom Hearts for the first time on Hard Mode, along with choosing the sword in the beginning, was surprisingly similar to playing Devil May Cry. It was fun playing a game like Kingdom Hearts without just breezing through it and I really hope that I'll be able to do that again in KH2.
Well that's definetely agreeable. Except I mostly found Wonderland to be the definite WORST level that hardly did the movie justice, everything else was godly in comparison. WTF?!? Wonderland isn't supposed to be a claustrophic's nightmare. It felt like you were in a large house with the sky and background painted on the walls. The Colleseum (bleh, however it's spelled), was also rather disappoitning (again, I agree, the Gameplay and Hades made it interesting). But then, if you look at the scans, it definetly looks like Meg is in a very dark place. So my only guess is it's possibly the underworld (which would definetely fit the more darker feel shown off in the trailers) and that means, more Hades (he was the one thing I liked about the original movie and a definite highlight of the game IMHO with James Woods voicing him). I dunno about you, but I find that expanding the world and adding new areas is something to look forward to. You can also notice that the Beast and the Unknown are conversing alongside the table with the Rose from BatB which means Beast's Castle as a world, is a go.
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| DarkZero 725th Post
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| "Re(5):Re(10):New KH2 scans: Auron and Meg spo" , posted Wed 21 Apr 19:55
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But then, if you look at the scans, it definetly looks like Meg is in a very dark place. So my only guess is it's possibly the underworld (which would definetely fit the more darker feel shown off in the trailers) and that means, more Hades (he was the one thing I liked about the original movie and a definite highlight of the game IMHO with James Woods voicing him). I dunno about you, but I find that expanding the world and adding new areas is something to look forward to. You can also notice that the Beast and the Unknown are conversing alongside the table with the Rose from BatB which means Beast's Castle as a world, is a go.
Actually, the expanding world was something that I was looking forward to, but I started to lose hope when I saw Hercules again. Hopefully you're right about there being a new Hercules world and not just another visit to the Colloseum, but I'm still not entirely convinced.
Then again, even if there are a bunch of crap levels, it sounds like the Unknowns will be more than interesting enough to make up for it.
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| NARUTO 2301th Post
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| "Re(7):Re(10):New KH2 scans: Auron and Meg spo" , posted Thu 22 Apr 01:40:
Iggy: well IIRC I've finished Laura's one, Vent one, and ...Armic (a har one IMO)
Cain Highwind: 1st I didn't bash a game without reason, those may be my own reason but at last I got one.
Here I didn't bash disney because KH is a bad game no! KH was an incredibely good game, on the thecnical part, it's just that I can stand the presence of the disney cast.
If disney want some game they can do it themselves, and no try to "stole" some characters to some other company. I find pathetic that they use Square characters like Squall or Cloud as a security of sucsess for the game. dsiney are incapable of making good games, all disney interactive stuff in a medium quality at best when disney game got sucsess it's always becose of someone else, Aladdin on genesis was Mr Perry's work, aladiina and the magical quest series were made by Capcom...
disney got absolutly no talent in video game making so, if they could leave Square alone with out showing their ridiculous characters in those game it won't be a bad thing IMO.
As I said in the beta KH should have been a Square cross over now because of disney Square fan still wait for this game.
BTW if disney peoples are so talented, why did Square, and Mr Nomura have created the hero of the game??? did disney poples aren't good enough for such works???
And if this game is made for disney, why is there some Square characters in the game???
once again it's just a "we sell disney because of someone else work, but not our"
And just a though but if you're thinking that disney is so good, did you think that without Square stuff (remove, characters like Sora, Ansem, heratless, or world like hollow bastion or spells, keyblades...) this game would have as much as sucsess as he did???
Finaly just a word, I just wish to say this is no anti-american behavior like some Gamefaqs morons have said.
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| Dr Baghead 2970th Post
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| "Re(8):Re(10):New KH2 scans: Auron and Meg spo" , posted Thu 22 Apr 07:56:
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As I said in the beta KH should have been a Square cross over now because of disney Square fan still wait for this game.
KH without Disney is like CFAS with Marvel characters. It makes no damn sense unless you're a silly fanboy.
I said during the beta the game should have been a bigger crossover, every level should have been like the Hercules one!
I don't like maybe Yuffie steals the lamp from Aladin on his world or Lulu and Merlin reinact the Sorcessors battle from "Sword In The Stone"... and Cain Highwind has said before Aya Brea from PE should have teamed up with Elisa from Gargoyles, that's also genius...
I can see why you dislike the 'crossover' as it is, seeing as how 99% of the Square elements seem slapped in at the last minute to shut up their fans...
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BTW if disney peoples are so talented, why did Square, and Mr Nomura have created the hero of the game???
So idiots would have someone to cosplay as! (and "have to"? it's not like Disney held a gun to his head and demanded he create Sora)
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And just a though but if you're thinking that disney is so good, did you think that without Square stuff (remove, characters like Sora, Ansem, heratless, or world like hollow bastion or spells, keyblades...) this game would have as much as sucsess as he did???
Doesn't Disney hold the copyrights on those characters?
And if they were replaced by 'truer' Disney characters (not like Disney can't churn out generic heroes and villians like Square) and worlds (Malifient's castle would have worked just as well as Hollow Baiston) and Square has never owned rights to "fire" and "ice" the game would have been the same (except the Hercules level would have sucked because it would mean reintroducing Megura to the 'plot')... I honestly didn't buy the game just because of Sora or the Square designs but I'm willing to except that might just be me.
you take out the Disney or replace them with Square levels and you've got something very boring. The levels were boring enough themed on Disney movies that are different from one another, would "Final Fantasy 7" world and "Final Fantasy 9" world really have been better?
But then again, If Batman's so cool why does he need Superman AND Wonder Woman to back him up in the JLA?!?!
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| Cain Highwind 372th Post
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| "New info" , posted Thu 22 Apr 23:17
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disney got absolutly no talent in video game making so, if they could leave Square alone with out showing their ridiculous characters in those game it won't be a bad thing IMO.
Man oh man, you must REALLY hate Disney, I guess. Because all you're saying is "KH sucks because it has Disney characters!" Yeah what a smart retort buddy.
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BTW if disney peoples are so talented, why did Square, and Mr Nomura have created the hero of the game??? did disney poples aren't good enough for such works???
And if this game is made for disney, why is there some Square characters in the game???
once again it's just a "we sell disney because of someone else work, but not our"
First of all it may surprise you, that in interviews, "Mr. Nomura" said that Many Square employees took seminars at Disney studios so they can learn to animate the Disney characters properly. And then on the other hand, the Disney Interactive VP was commenting on how much they learned from Square from their dedication to their games. It was a learnign experience for both of them. This game was Square's game with a Disney liscense. Stop talking as if it it was all Disney and "Oh so horrible Disney" put the FF characters in. You're exactly what I'm talking about. You hate KH because it's "Oh so horrible Disney" teaming up with "Oh so great Square" Oh me, oh my, poor Square being ruined by bad, evil Disney. Boo-hoo-hoo.
I do agree that there should be more actual "crossovers" like the Cloud/Hercules. That idea with Aya/Elisa was mine I had mentioned a few times. Both Gargoyles and PE take place in NY if I'm not mistaken, which would just be perfect. I dunno, maybe Gargoyles isn't known in Japan. Maybe it is, but isn't as "mainstream" as other titles. I mean putting in titles like Kim Possible or Gargoyles would be like Square putting in FFIV or CT characters. It would rock, but it's just unlikely.
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And just a though but if you're thinking that disney is so good, did you think that without Square stuff (remove, characters like Sora, Ansem, heratless, or world like hollow bastion or spells, keyblades...) this game would have as much as sucsess as he did???
You know you're not the first on to ask me this stupid question. You wanna know? It's the staff working on it. It is NOT the FF characters, it's the damn Square staff. You're right, Disney interactive games suck. They're just mediocre platformers. I like KH for Square's style. not just for Disney characters, not just for Square characters. I mainly like Ms. Yoko "Street Fighter 2" Shimomura's soundtrack (also did Mario RPG and Mario&Luiji) I simply like the Square staff members who did this and worked on it. If it were Capcom or Konami or Nintendo or some other big company making an interesting looking Disney game, I'd check those out too (Though I'm not a fan of the genre, I've heard Konami's Disney Sports games are quite good). I want to see Capcom's take on NBC, not so much because I'm a fan of the movie, but because I want to see a "professional" staff and their take with the franchise, the same thing I said to myself with KH.
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Finaly just a word, I just wish to say this is no anti-american behavior like some Gamefaqs morons have said.
Funny, you sure could sound like one of them (but not so much anti-american, just the Gamefaqs part).
Okay with that out of the way...
Some new high quality scans are out:
http://www.squarenet.info/main.php?site=sn-news&id=994
And according to translations of the scan, it does indeed confirm the two worlds with new areas.
Note, these are not the "official" names, just what was translated from the magazine.
Ancient Greece (Hercules) consists of Thebes, The Underworld, and Mt Olympus
Fabled Countryside (Beauty and the Beast) consists of Serene Village, Forbidden Woods, and Beast's Manor
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| talbaineric 5980th Post
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| "Re(1):New info" , posted Fri 23 Apr 05:28
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disney got absolutly no talent in video game making so, if they could leave Square alone with out showing their ridiculous characters in those game it won't be a bad thing IMO.
Man oh man, you must REALLY hate Disney, I guess. Because all you're saying is "KH sucks because it has Disney characters!" Yeah what a smart retort buddy.
BTW if disney peoples are so talented, why did Square, and Mr Nomura have created the hero of the game??? did disney poples aren't good enough for such works???
And if this game is made for disney, why is there some Square characters in the game???
once again it's just a "we sell disney because of someone else work, but not our"
First of all it may surprise you, that in interviews, "Mr. Nomura" said that Many Square employees took seminars at Disney studios so they can learn to animate the Disney characters properly. And then on the other hand, the Disney Interactive VP was commenting on how much they learned from Square from their dedication to their games. It was a learnign experience for both of them. This game was Square's game with a Disney liscense. Stop talking as if it it was all Disney and "Oh so horrible Disney" put the FF characters in. You're exactly what I'm talking about. You hate KH because it's "Oh so horrible Disney" teaming up with "Oh so great Square" Oh me, oh my, poor Square being ruined by bad, evil Disney. Boo-hoo-hoo.
I do agree that there should be more actual "crossovers" like the Cloud/Hercules. That idea with Aya/Elisa was mine I had mentioned a few times. Both Gargoyles and PE take place in NY if I'm not mistaken, which would just be perfect. I dunno, maybe Gargoyles isn't known in Japan. Maybe it is, but isn't as "mainstream" as other titles. I mean putting in titles like Kim Possible or Gargoyles would be like Square putting in FFIV or CT characters. It would rock, but it's just unlikely.
And just a though but if you're thinking that disney is so good, did you think that without Square stuff (remove, characters like Sora, Ansem, heratless, or world like hollow bastion or spells, keyblades...) this game would have as much as sucsess as he did???
You know you're not the first on to ask me this stupid question. You wanna know? It's the staff working on it. It is NOT the FF characters, it's the damn Square staff. You're right, Disney interactive games suck. They're just mediocre platformers. I like KH for Square's style. not just for Disney characters, not just for Square characters. I mainly like Ms. Yoko "Street Fighter 2" Shimomura's soundtrack (also did Mario RPG and Mario&Luiji) I simply like the Square staff members who did this and worked on it. If it were Capcom or Konami or Nintendo or some other big company making an interesting looking Disney game, I'd check those out too (Though I'm not a fan of the genre, I've heard Konami's Disney Sports games are quite good). I want to see Capcom's take on NBC, not so much because I'm a fan of the movie, but because I want to see a "professional" staff and their take with the franchise, the same thing I said to myself with KH.
Finaly just a word, I just wish to say this is no anti-american behavior like some Gamefaqs morons have said.
Funny, you sure could sound like one of them (but not so much anti-american, just the Gamefaqs part).
Okay with that out of the way...
Some new high quality scans are out:
http://www.squarenet.info/main.php?site=sn-news&id=994
And according to translations of the scan, it does indeed confirm the two worlds with new areas.
Note, these are not the "official" names, just what was translated from the magazine.
Ancient Greece (Hercules) consists of Thebes, The Underworld, and Mt Olympus
Fabled Countryside (Beauty and the Beast) consists of Serene Village, Forbidden Woods, and Beast's Manor
Sweetness! Thanks once again for the linkage. :)
Sweet! The Ballroom!
What is this?
I'm still hoping the other characters will be back as summons. Preferably Mushu,even though his summon power wasn't as great as Simba's or Tinkerbell's,he was still a cool choice for a summon.
Well,now that Beauty and the Beast gets their own world from the movie,as well as Hercules,this looks very interesting.
Gah,I remember first hearing of KH,and hearing "Hollow Bastion",I thought they were referring to B&B's world. Turns out it was a Square world.
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| Iggy 3212th Post
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| "Re(3):New info" , posted Fri 23 Apr 12:17
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Iggy: Je comprent pouquoi j'en ai chier avec Armic...Et dire que j'ai fais pas mal de truc avec du bol...
Maintenand je commence avec Ruby.
If you want to know :
Easiest characters : Judy (if you understand the magic system quickly, she's a beast, especially if you get to use the forbidden magic, and her allies are very powerful) and Vent (you can levelup at will with his special hakobiya system. If you don't, it can be pretty though, his scenario levels are very long and he starts weak).
Easy characters: Laura (depending on the final boss you get, one is much harder than the former, but still killable), Ruby (she's the only character to meet Iskandar, the most powerful ally in the game. The only problem is that she will have to go through all the 7 wonders : if you have already done them with other characters and know where to go, it will be easy, if you don't, good luck)(Oh, since, like Myth, she will get Sapphire early in her party, she will be stinking rich in no time, even more than Vent).
Normal : Cash (depending if you get how to use the gauntlet thing to your advantage or not. If you make a clever use of it, Cash will be insanely powerful early in the game) and Myth (and not Mice. Quite easy through the game, but his allies, all women, have fewer LP and he has to fight the thoughtest end boss of the whole game).
Hard : Armic. I didn't finished him.
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| Dr Baghead 2970th Post
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| "Re(10):Re(10):New KH2 scans: Auron and Meg sp" , posted Fri 23 Apr 18:06
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I don't think Gargoyles has a place in this kind of game; Gargoyles doesn't really have de-facto ultimate bad guys in it of the likes of Maleficent, the wicked stepmother, the evil queen, or Captain Hook. Xanatos and Demona have some redeeming qualities to them; most Disney villains have no redeeming qualities whatsoever (such that you wouldn't mind if they dropped dead, but I know there are plenty of people that find Xanatos and Demona likeable).
Hey! Hades was the only reason to watch Hercules... which now that I think about it doesn't disprove your point, just proves Hercules is the opposite case.
But Demona could easily be the villian if the Unknowns offered to kill all humans and spare the Gargoyles for her or something, she's big into the whole genocide as revenge thing. (there are a few enemies who aren't on the show that much, but that's no fun)
Gargoyles also had a lot of magical artifacts, so maybe it wouldn't need a boss tied to it's storyline and could instead just have the Unknowns after one of those... OH! if Square was smart and used Cain's idea then Eve could just merge with the Eye of Odin, the Phoenix Gate, and um... that spell book that's name I forgot like the Archmage did in the Avalon episodes and there's a terrific level boss!
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That idea with Aya/Elisa was mine I had mentioned a few times.
Thanks for reminding me, Cain. (original posted updated to give credit for such)
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| Cain Highwind 374th Post
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| "Re(2):Re(10):Re(10):New KH2 scans: Auron and" , posted Sat 24 Apr 00:16
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Hey! Hades was the only reason to watch Hercules... which now that I think about it doesn't disprove your point, just proves Hercules is the opposite case.
But Demona could easily be the villian if the Unknowns offered to kill all humans and spare the Gargoyles for her or something, she's big into the whole genocide as revenge thing. (there are a few enemies who aren't on the show that much, but that's no fun)
Gargoyles also had a lot of magical artifacts, so maybe it wouldn't need a boss tied to it's storyline and could instead just have the Unknowns after one of those... OH! if Square was smart and used Cain's idea then Eve could just merge with the Eye of Odin, the Phoenix Gate, and um... that spell book that's name I forgot like the Archmage did in the Avalon episodes and there's a terrific level boss!
That idea with Aya/Elisa was mine I had mentioned a few times.
Thanks for reminding me, Cain. (original posted updated to give credit for such)
Exactly! I had never really thought that far. But the mythology and fantasy in Gargoyles is defnitely "compatible" with Square's. This was the first thing I thought of when I first heard of Kingdom Hearts and "crossover". It would be THE perfect blend. There's so many cool characters and locales they could've used. It just stumps me why they haven't been used. But again, I have no idea if Gargoyles was ever shown in Japan. It's such a shame really. I mean the Archmage and the Phoenix Gate/Eye of Odin/Grinorum Achranorum (that's probably not even close to how you spell it) tying him with the Unknowns and whoever else will be in KH2. And the characters would be great and would also fit tha Square style nicely. I was originally thinking Demona as one of those types that would also use the Heartless and try to control them (in the same manner Maleficient used), but with KH2, that's definetely possible with the Unknowns.
And let's not forget Xanatos. If he were in it, they'd probably do it with his sly, backstabbing phase from the first two seasons (up to the end of the Avalon saga). He could be that kind of guy who seems like Sora's ally but exploits him later. Man oh man, a boss fight with characters like the Steel Clan, The Pack, Oberon, or the Archmage would make me die from happiness. But that's asking too much. If they could just put Goliath as a summon or Demona as the new Uber-boss (replacing Sephy or the Ice Titan) would be good enough for me. As long as they got the same voice actors. The voice actors was one of the most tpp notch parts of Gargoyles. Jonathon "Will Riker" Frakes MADE Xanatos, the badass he is. Same with Keith "Spawn" David as Goliath. It would be cool to hear their voices again.
Of course, classic Dinsey shows, I wouldn't mind seeing either. It would be awesome if they established the same timeline from a 5-part comic series they made in Disney Adventures years ago. I always liked how it actually connected all the different shows.
Who knows, everyone was surprised with Nightmare Before Christmas, simply because no one really associated it with "Disney" as much as say Pooh or Sleeping Beauty. We may see some real surprising world/appearance.
Here's to hoping.
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