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| DarkZero 718th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):MGS3 Play as Big Boss?"
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In the E3 demo it say 'the 60's ' and this caught my attention because Solid Snake was not around in the 60's. What I was thinking it might be is that you are actually Big Boss back when he was younger. Snake and Liquid are his clone so this does make sense but I don't know what to think it is really tricky.
Actually, the best proof of the fact that that character is Big Boss is the fact that he loses an eye at some point in the game. One of the earlier shots shows him missing an eye, but so far there's only been one out of dozens of screen captures that shows that.
But like everyone else says, the question really isn't whether or not he's Big Boss. He definitely is. The question is whether or not we're going to get screwed over. It could be a VR mission, a flashback episode, or something even stupider. Thankfully, Kojima has ruled out time travel, but that doesn't mean that he's ruled out anything else insane and stupid.
Remember, as a guy in a recent Gamespotting column pointed out, that Raiden wasn't even in the first surprise in MGS2. Originally, at an E3 presentation two years before the game's release, he had convinced everyone that Snake had died and that you were playing a clone of him, who may be good or evil, and that the villain may be yet another clone of him. And after that, he managed to keep Raiden a secret from everyone until review copies of the game were sent to gaming magazines.
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| Undead Fred 1503th Post
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| "Re(2):MGS3 Play as Big Boss?" , posted Sun 18 Apr 14:19
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In the E3 demo it say 'the 60's ' and this caught my attention because Solid Snake was not around in the 60's. What I was thinking it might be is that you are actually Big Boss back when he was younger. Snake and Liquid are his clone so this does make sense but I don't know what to think it is really tricky.
Actually, the best proof of the fact that that character is Big Boss is the fact that he loses an eye at some point in the game. One of the earlier shots shows him missing an eye, but so far there's only been one out of dozens of screen captures that shows that.
But like everyone else says, the question really isn't whether or not he's Big Boss. He definitely is. The question is whether or not we're going to get screwed over. It could be a VR mission, a flashback episode, or something even stupider. Thankfully, Kojima has ruled out time travel, but that doesn't mean that he's ruled out anything else insane and stupid.
Remember, as a guy in a recent Gamespotting column pointed out, that Raiden wasn't even in the first surprise in MGS2. Originally, at an E3 presentation two years before the game's release, he had convinced everyone that Snake had died and that you were playing a clone of him, who may be good or evil, and that the villain may be yet another clone of him. And after that, he managed to keep Raiden a secret from everyone until review copies of the game were sent to gaming magazines.
Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if Metal Gear fans are ever going to just get really frustrated and rub their eyes and say "Just......... let us..... play with Snake, man. Come on!!" to Kojima. One game where you barely got to play as Snake and then got stuck with wispy, whiny Raiden for 2/3 of the game could pass, but then Kojima turns right around and (sort of) does it again. "You see, he'll LOOK like Solid Snake... but it won't be THE Solid Snake. You won't get to really play with Snake for another 15 years. And then he'll have a full-fledged mullet that would make that Achy-Breaky Heart guy jealous."
I mean, I'm all for switching things up and all that, but two games in a row where you don't get to play as the real main character is a little too much. It's not like a Silent Hill game or a Final Fantasy where each game's a separate story and all that... people like Snake, people want to play as Snake. So, maybe they should be allowed to really play with him every other game or so. At least this Big Boss thing in MG3 is close.
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| DarkZero 720th Post
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| "Re(3):MGS3 Play as Big Boss?" , posted Mon 19 Apr 00:38
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It could be a VR mission
Why would you eat VR animals though?
Originally, at an E3 presentation two years before the game's release, he had convinced everyone that Snake had died and that you were playing a clone of him, who may be good or evil, and that the villain may be yet another clone of him.
Er... No. ^^;
Ah, yes, actually. It was in every gaming magazine that I read at the time and it was actually a pretty popular theory, because the presentation basically told us three things: 1) Solid Snake is the main character, 2) the main villain is Solid Snake, and 3) Snake should have died from Foxdie two years before this. So all of that left us with multiple Solid Snakes, even though there shouldn't be ANY Solid Snake. It also took a few bits of dialogue out of context to further infer it, mostly from the very, very small subplot in the game about Solidus telling the American government that the Big Shell had been taken over by "Solid Snake" just to further tarnish Solid Snake's already criminal reputation. A subplot that came up once or twice early on in the game, but had no meaning and was ultimately forgotten.
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| DarkZero 722th Post
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| "Re(5):MGS3 Play as Big Boss?" , posted Mon 19 Apr 04:09
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well infact I remeber that I read in a interview in a magazine that Kojima san, even have clearly said that it's sanke that we'll play as.
And even with the 60's, mantioned. BTW could it be 2060???
"Snake" is one of the designations given to lead members of Foxhound. For instance, Liquid Snake wasn't given his codename because someone higher up knew that he was Solid Snake's brother. They mention early on in MGS that he was the "The only other member of Foxhound that attained the codename 'Snake'", just like Frank Jaeger was "The only member of Foxhound ever worthy of the name 'Fox'". So just like Liquid Snake could become "Snake" after Solid Snake had the title, someone else certainly could have been "Snake" before either of them. And it's doubtful that someone came up to Big Boss on the day of his recruitment and said, "Our magic crystal balls tell us that someday, maybe twenty or thirty years down the line, or just whenever you start to look like an aging Sean Connery, you'll be the leader of this unit. So we're gonna call you 'Big Boss'."
Frankly, I'm really hoping that all of this is legitimate, because it sounds a whole lot more like MGS than MGS2. But then again, Kojima referred to MGS3 as "wrapping up the MGS trilogy" in one interview, so we're probably going to end up with a bunch of crap about the Patriots, anyway.
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| Spoon 263th Post
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| "Re(10):MGS3 Play as Big Boss?" , posted Tue 20 Apr 02:42
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I like that one a lot, but then it would leave a where did it all start thing open to question.
It's a plot lifted out of the Terminator. It's all about Solid Snake going back in time to the 1960s and fighting in the jungles. Eventually, Snake becomes Big Boss and thus, the clones are made from him, making Liquid and Solid. And the cycle continues.
That's almost as good as how the guy in Red Dwarf is his own dad.
The saddest part of this whole sordid affair is that this is exactly the same type of closure we got at the end of another great series, Ry-Type, in this year's R-Type Final. Those bastards.
And I'm quite serious on this count: the crux of the plot is that in the first level of the game, a red colored ship streaks by which in one of the final levels turns out to be you, transformed into alien form and sent back to destroy the Earth fleet. What's more, the last of the alternate final levels which you can unlock is so terrifically anticlimactic (offering ZERO plot) that it makes me weep.
Ok, it did kind of work when I reasoned that it was a massive meta-joke about arcade shooters which always sent you back to the beginning after the end of the game, but that doesn't change my feelings that more should've been done.
Enough ranting about R-Type.
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I just know that Kojima is going to work in the rise of surrealism (how could he not?), the beginnings of the gay rights movement, and the growth of atheistic/alternative religions in the West out of this 60's setting, and it's going to be fu**ed up good.
And I pray that your character will have a dream sequence during which he says,
"I feel asleep!"
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