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"West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games..." , posted Fri 16 Apr 18:23post reply


Got this in my email:

If you live in the San Francisco Bay area we want to talk to you!

CAPCOM® will be conducting focus group that will discuss fighting games on the evening of Wednesday, April 28 in Sunnyvale, California

If you are a male between the ages of 17 and 30, and are interested in participating we invite you to come to the facility for a discussion group.

If you qualify, the discussion will last approximately 90 minutes and participants will be paid $75.

We have hired an independent research company to conduct these discussions. Please reply by clicking on the address (or paste it into your email window) fightgames1@nicholsresearch.com and be sure to include your name, age, and phone number so the research company can call you with details.

Thanks for your participation!

CAPCOM®


Why can't ANYTHING (besides rappers...) happen on the east coast??? ARGH!!!





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"Re(1):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Fri 16 Apr 19:01post reply


Woah, thank you for the heads up. This sounds awesome. I live around 2 hours away from friggin Sunnyvale but I would actually try to make it to this. I would even risk my job! Gotta email them!






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"Re(2):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Fri 16 Apr 19:10post reply


I'm not female, but I notice that they are excluded. I wonder what would happen if one wanted to go? I know two of the lady members are on the east coast though.





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"Re(1):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Fri 16 Apr 19:27post reply


yeah i was wondering what they'd do if any females wanted to participate. males are most likely the target audience for fighting games and whatnot, but i know there's gotta be some females out there who are interested in this stuff.





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"Re(3):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Fri 16 Apr 19:33post reply


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I'm not female, but I notice that they are excluded. I wonder what would happen if one wanted to go? I know two of the lady members are on the east coast though.



It's a focus group. They tend to exclude people by gender and age and whatnot just to reach their focus demographic. I'm sure there are people under 19 who play fighting games too, but it's obviously not meant to be the equivalent of logging into SRK.com and going nuts, just a bunch of questions. These things are not always fun, either (don't be fooled by the subject material), so I wouldn't go travelling 200 miles for it, even if they do compensate with pay.





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"Re(4):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Fri 16 Apr 23:02post reply


quote:
Woah, thank you for the heads up. This sounds awesome. I live around 2 hours away from friggin Sunnyvale but I would actually try to make it to this. I would even risk my job! Gotta email them!



BTW what's your email? If you plan on going, I'd like to suggest a few questions to ask.





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"Re(3):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Fri 16 Apr 23:14post reply


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I'm not female


Really?!?! And you think you know somebody!

quote:
I wonder what would happen if one wanted to go?



She'd be annoyed to death by socially inepted nerds thrilled to see they've finally seen one of those elusive girls who shares an interest with them and will stop at nothing until "girl across the room who plays SF now and then" becomes "girlfriend who plays SF with them" to "wife who plays videogames and can be mentioned as a trump card in any GameFAQ arguement proving not only do you have are you older then 12, have a life, but you're married too! That makes you better then everyone else so you can start shit on the GTA board and make the people answering your flame look stupid!!"... and of course 90% of the guys there will have such a mind set, so it's not like just 1 or 2 guys are going to try to hit it off with her with smoooooth lines like "I'm totally cool with Zangief being a F@g0+, I respect all people's lifestyles so long as he doesn't hit on me LOL!" it's going to be like 60 or 70 guys totally unaware they're not gonna score bothering her...

or they'd be turned away because, as others have already said, she's not in their demographic (although I believe I'm not entirely wrong)





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"Re(4):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Fri 16 Apr 23:27post reply


What is with this west coast/east coast rivalry, the midwest will rise up someday, bitch!





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"Re(5):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sat 17 Apr 02:36post reply


HAH!

I live in the SF area.

BUT!

I'll be in #@!%^ LA that day! I'm a genius.





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"Re(2):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sat 17 Apr 10:20post reply


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yeah i was wondering what they'd do if any females wanted to participate. males are most likely the target audience for fighting games and whatnot, but i know there's gotta be some females out there who are interested in this stuff.

And what about those of us males over the age of 30? especially those who've been playing 1-on-1 fighters non-stop since Karate Champ and Street Fighter 1? Remember what happened last time you asked SF questions of American gamers who were too goddamned young to know how to tie their own asses or wipe their own shoes, CAPCOM USA? That's right -- you got Jean-Claude as Guile, ya buncha tools.

I really shouldn't start the day this bitter... : P

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"Re(3):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sat 17 Apr 12:08post reply


Anyone that goes...

PLEASE ask for JOJO on the X-Box (asking for a PS2 version would just get turned down by Sony).

Something like the DC version (arcade-perfect this time), with both games, would be enough.





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"Re(4):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sat 17 Apr 12:23post reply


HOPEFULLY we'll have someone there.

and HOPEFULLY they'll be willing to break the NDA hehe.





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"Re(5):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sat 17 Apr 12:55post reply


Damnit..I wish I could go. I really want $75.





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"Re(5):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sat 17 Apr 14:00post reply


quote:
HOPEFULLY we'll have someone there.

and HOPEFULLY they'll be willing to break the NDA hehe.


But they'll sign the NDA using their real name and not their on-line handle so that means their free to blab all they want on message boards. Yeah, that's a creative reading of a contract but if it could help us find out what's going on a bit faster.

This request by Capcom intrigues me. Do they want to look at the possibility of future fighting games? Seeing if there's interest in on-line fighters? What exactly do they want to learn?





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"Re(4):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sat 17 Apr 14:45post reply


quote:
Anyone that goes...

PLEASE ask for JOJO on the X-Box (asking for a PS2 version would just get turned down by Sony).

Something like the DC version (arcade-perfect this time), with both games, would be enough.



This is being conducted by an independent research firm. Chances are there won't be more than one representative from Capcom there to oversee it, if anyone.





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"Re(5):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sat 17 Apr 14:59post reply


quote:
Anyone that goes...

PLEASE ask for JOJO on the X-Box (asking for a PS2 version would just get turned down by Sony).

Something like the DC version (arcade-perfect this time), with both games, would be enough.


This is being conducted by an independent research firm. Chances are there won't be more than one representative from Capcom there to oversee it, if anyone.



That´s why they´ll use the "comments" box in their questionaries.

There´s gotta be a piece of paper somewhere!





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"Re(3):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sat 17 Apr 23:03post reply


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Remember what happened last time you asked SF questions of American gamers who were too goddamned young to know how to tie their own asses or wipe their own shoes, CAPCOM USA? That's right -- you got Jean-Claude as Guile, ya buncha tools.



Dash no Chris speaks da truth.

I shudder in horror at the probable comments made by tha majority who show up to this. They'll probably ask Capcom to make a new SF that's more like Tekken or Soul Calibur or something equally ludicrous. >:|





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"West Coasters" , posted Sat 17 Apr 23:17post reply


quote:
Remember what happened last time you asked SF questions of American gamers who were too goddamned young to know how to tie their own asses or wipe their own shoes, CAPCOM USA? That's right -- you got Jean-Claude as Guile, ya buncha tools.


Dash no Chris speaks da truth.

I shudder in horror at the probable comments made by tha majority who show up to this. They'll probably ask Capcom to make a new SF that's more like Tekken or Soul Calibur or something equally ludicrous. >:|



That's why I made a point of posting this here to AVOID such nightmares.





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"Re(4):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sun 18 Apr 01:27post reply


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They'll probably ask Capcom to make a new SF that's more like Tekken or Soul Calibur or something equally ludicrous. >:|

You give them more credit than I do -- I'm doubting most of the kids that go to this thing will even mention SF, let alone any other 2-D fighter franchise.

Damn -- still bitter.

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"Re(5):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sun 18 Apr 02:01post reply


quote:
They'll probably ask Capcom to make a new SF that's more like Tekken or Soul Calibur or something equally ludicrous. >:|
You give them more credit than I do -- I'm doubting most of the kids that go to this thing will even mention SF, let alone any other 2-D fighter franchise.



Maybe they'll mention Justice Gakuen!
Or CFAS.

Or they'll ask for some Viewtiful Joe fighting game or something.

Probably not.
Maybe lots of MvC.





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"Re(6):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sun 18 Apr 15:13post reply


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Maybe lots of MvC.


Now I'm sad.





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"Re(7):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sun 18 Apr 23:00post reply


quote:

Maybe lots of MvC.

Now I'm sad.



Well, you are sad and that's easy to solve.... But after this comment I need some teraphy.

If you ask me there is no way of making this "meeting" thing a neat thing... You can't filter all the 'juice' from the people that care. Image what would happen if this thing was on line.







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"Re(8):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sun 18 Apr 23:26post reply


Since Capcom of Japan never pays attention to anything Capcom of USA says anyway, the results of this focus group will not have the slightest effect on anything outside of maybe if Cap of US will port Capcom's old fighting games they've been re-releasing lately because making a new one sounds too much like work to them.





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"Re(1):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Sun 18 Apr 23:32post reply


I'm going to try to go-- but this will be very difficult. First of all, Sunnyvale is 2+ hours away (damnit). Secondly, I actually don't want to lose my job. Thirdly, I haven't been invited (yet). I did email them. Hrm.

The big mystery is what the hell does Capcom want to get out of this. Why are they even putting this out.

For me, (it seems to me), that after Capcom USA released ST in the arcades, it seemed to me that they thought, "okay, that was the last Street Fighter 2 game we're gonna release, no more fighting games, thank God we got that out of our system-- lets release something else, but please, no more fighters." And of course, we know that ST was not the last fighter. ST was really just the end of SF2 and the prologue to the great Capcom Fighting Game Flood of the 90's. So, my point is that, it seems to me that Capcom USA kinda never cared for the Capcom 2D fighters. The ports were often times half-assed, late, poorly documented, poorly advertised. These games were the out-of-wedlock children of Capcom USA.

I swear, its damn near amazing that 3S has a small cult in the US-- its minor popularity is in no part due to Capcom USAs hard work.

end rant-- my point is that it always seemed to me that Capcom USA hates us, and the games we love. So what the hell is up with this thing. I almost think this is a trap to get us, the hardcore 2D fighter addicts, and to kill us in order to stop our whining about Capcom and the lack of 2D fighters.

Yup. That's exactly it. I'm walking into my own doom.






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"Re(2):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Mon 19 Apr 09:18post reply


As said, Capcom of Japan doesn't really listen to Capcom USA, but here's something you can ask them that Capcom USA can fix easily.

In the Japanese SF Games, the characters have TONS of character to character winner to looser quotes. The CVS series alone has lots of these and they are a whole lot better than the dialogs in SVC. Even Guilty Gear translates all character to character quotes. Capcom USA only did it once in SF3 Second Impact: Giant Attack and they still didn't translate all the seperate dialogs with Gouki. (At least they did it once. SNK has never ever translated these quotes with the exception of SVC where it's almost mandatory.)Anyway, tell Capcom USA to translate all character to character quotes. I do not care if it delays the games six months since Capcom games hardly ever come out on time, as I'm still not playing the PS2 Megaman Anniversary game that was supposed to come out in March.

And if they could change the bad translations for SF2 AE where Vega(dictator) says he and Cammy are lovers and Blanka didn't know his name was Jimmy, that would help a lot.





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"Re(3):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Mon 19 Apr 21:00post reply


thats a great request. I forgot about that, but its certainly something that I would ask and certainly something that I would really want too. The win quotes are such a small part of the game, but they add so much. Its beyond shameful that Capcom chose to cut that out of the game when in reality, they could have put it in. I still don't understand the logic they used to cut that stuff out. Its not like they don't have translators. Geeeeeeeeze.

But if I do go, that would be the top thing I request. Well, that along with complete ports of the Japanese versions.

yeah, dreaming but oh well. when will these American publishers realize that they are selling a cult product and thus must keep the cult followers happy.






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"Re(3):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Mon 19 Apr 22:15post reply


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At least they did it once. SNK has never ever translated these quotes



Uh...





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"Re(3):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Mon 19 Apr 22:37:post reply


quote:
SNK has never ever translated these quotes with the exception of SVC where it's almost mandatory.


Wrong. Play King of Fighters starting with 2001. There weren't character-specific quotes before then, but yes, SNK HAS been translating them.

Also, Last Blade had quotes depending on how much life your character had left.

Hmm...come to think of it, there were character specific quotes in Art of Fighting 3, as well. Not as every character, but some.

So basically...yeah, you're wrong.





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"Re(4):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Tue 20 Apr 06:47:post reply


Oh, sorry... I stopped playing KOF since 1999/1998 in the US, and only play the GBA Games. The games are hard to find and I don't import anymore.





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"Re(5):West Coasters Who Play Fighting Games.." , posted Tue 20 Apr 13:34post reply


One person that has been in a previous fighting game focus group says they all played a (new) game then answered a buncha questions about it.

Another person pointed out that there´s a feature about Capcom on the PSM magazine and the fact Capcom will release their games thinking of american audiences.

I´m now positive this will be about Capcom Fighting Revolution (which we all assume is a new version of All-Stars).





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"WHO IS ON THE GUEST LIST?" , posted Mon 26 Apr 12:10post reply


i didnt get this info until today!

has anyone called capcom about this?

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"Re(1):WHO IS ON THE GUEST LIST?" , posted Mon 26 Apr 12:51post reply


quote:
i didnt get this info until today!

has anyone called capcom about this?

sushi



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"Started yet?" , posted Wed 28 Apr 19:06post reply


It's 10:06 EST. What time is it on the west coast?





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"Re(1):Started yet?" , posted Wed 28 Apr 20:18post reply


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It's 10:06 EST. What time is it on the west coast?



-3hrs from EST, so As of right now, its 11:17pm EST, so 8:17pm PST.

I'm anxious to hear about this meeting (screw NDA's!)





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"It seems it was pretty lame" , posted Thu 29 Apr 16:40post reply


"Knubbe" at SRK said this:

"I was there yesterday. Too lazy to retype what happend so I'll cut and paste what I wrote on another forum.

There were a lot of questions about how they should design a game if they were to make another SF game. There were also questions about interest in the new SF Anniversary bundle, which would include Hyper Street Fighter and SF3:3S. They showed us some ideas for artwork for their new game and asked us which art style we liked better for art cover or advertisements (anime vs hand painted) and in general it seems like they are interested in making another SF game.

I don't know how the group (which John Choi was a part of) after mine reacted to the various ideas.
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"Re(1):It seems it was pretty lame" , posted Thu 29 Apr 19:09post reply


quote:
"Knubbe" at SRK said this:

"I was there yesterday. Too lazy to retype what happend so I'll cut and paste what I wrote on another forum.

There were a lot of questions about how they should design a game if they were to make another SF game. There were also questions about interest in the new SF Anniversary bundle, which would include Hyper Street Fighter and SF3:3S. They showed us some ideas for artwork for their new game and asked us which art style we liked better for art cover or advertisements (anime vs hand painted) and in general it seems like they are interested in making another SF game.

I don't know how the group (which John Choi was a part of) after mine reacted to the various ideas.
"


Hey now, that's pretty interesting. Instead of simply being presented a game and being asked to give thumbs up or thumbs down on it they were asked questions that gave them the chance to influence Capcom's design decisions should they make another SF game. Were they asked about game engine, presentation, or what?





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"Re(2):It seems it was pretty lame" , posted Thu 29 Apr 20:23post reply


"kingmajix" posted this at SRK:

"Yeah I was there yesterday as well. As I was leaving I saw that Choi was in a group about to head in and I would have loved to hear what he had to say.

Anyway just like stated above there were alot of general questions about what would make a great fighting game. I don't think that Capcom really has it all wrong - I think 3rd Strike is amazing but it didn't catch on due to the forever changed climate of the arcade scene in comparison to the early 90s.

I also got the feeling that they're DEFINITELY looking into making a 3-D fighter. Alot of the questions were geared toward that. Thankfully everyone except for one in my group voted to stay in 2-D. I must admit that I had an agenda going in trying to sway anyone away from pushing to make a 3-D fighter and I think it worked.

As far as concrete information, there isn't much. Right now they're looking at putting the Hyper (Anniv.) + SFIII together for the whopping price of $29.99. Other than that I think they were just looking to get ideas.

Unfortunately, there didn't seem to be many "hardcore" SF fans there. I'm not sure who you were Knubbe so don't take this the wrong way. One guy said he never played 3rd Strike becuase he heard that it was just more of the same except "you just press forward and absorb some energy or something." Also, I was the only person out of the entire group that has even seen the new SF comic. A few said they had heard of it and the others didn't even know about it. Plus, when I mentioned that I paid almost $150 to import Hyper and mod my system just about everybody in the room looked at me like I had just suffocated a box of kittens. Guess it's a good thing I left off the part about purchasing a new MAS stick too.



Overall it was alot of fun and, surprisingly, talking about fighting games for an hour and a half felt like maybe 15 minutes. And you guys will be happy to know that we almost unanimously voted that the WORST idea for a new fighting game was featuring famous/celebrity characters.

Anyone from the other group (6:30) have any details about goings on?"


"Wario64" posted this at SRK:

"Hey dudes, this is my first post here. I was part of the 6:45 PM focus group. I'm not a real total hardcore fighter fan like some of you guys, and I didn't even know who John Choi was until today, so it must sound like a sin to you guys that I didn't know who he was, even though I was sitting right next to him at the focus group!

Anyway, in our group, about more than half favored 2D over 3D. No one in our group favored celebrites/Hollywood characters in fighting games as well. That's what Def Jam Vendetta is for (and when the guy asked if we liked DJV, everyone said they hated it). They asked us if we prefered 60 FPS or 30 FPS. Everyone chose 60 FPS....kinda a dumb question. The majority in our group wanted online play in future console fighting games, as long as it isn't laggy. There was one odd question that they asked us, and that was if EA was to make a fighting game, what should they do in order to beat Capcom at their own game? They're probably referring to the EA vs Marvel game. I think I remember someone in our group suggesting that they should partner up with a company that has done fighting games, like Sammy. They also asked us if we preferred graphics like Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, Onimusha, etc. or games with digitized faces like Max Payne. I think the majority went towards the MGS,DMC,Onimusha route. Another question they asked is if we would be interested in seeing a new Street Fighter game made with Viewtiful Joe cel shaded type graphics. About half of us (there were 9 partcipants) were interested in a cel shaded Street Fighter, including John if I remember. I also remember someone suggesting that they should include the bonus stages like the car and barrels from SF2 to the next SF. There was also an idea proposed to us about customizble characters. I think almost everyone favored this idea. Customizable characters meaning beyond just the looks/color of the chracter. Like you would be able to customize their attributes, their fighting style, their special moves, etc. Don't know how they would implement it but it sounded interesting. I think that's all I can remember...it was a pretty interesting though. I just wished it was done at Capcom's headquarters directly instead at some 3rd party research company. The guy conducting our session even admitted that he wasn't really a big fan of video games. It's a shame it wasn't at Capcom too cause I partcipated at a Capcom focus group in December 2003, and it was pretty cool since the sessions were done directly with Capcom's teams. Oh well...still better than nothing. At least these focus groups will somewhat influece Capcom for the next fighitng game."