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| Undead Fred 1482th Post
 
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|  "Re(1):Metroid - A John Woo Film"
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No good can come of this.
The lame story from Prime and Zero Mission was bad enough. Now we're going to have a great big Hollywood movie about it, most likely with a half-naked model in the title role, a bunch of extraneous characters tossed in, and more gung-ho, over-the-top "girl power" messages than a Spice Girls CD. And you know that she will have some sort of hastily created love interest, because, y'know, she's a chick, so there has to be.
The first few posts in the Slashdot thread pretty much sum up my feelings on the whole thing.
Will the white doves have to wear space helmets? And argh... "first film"?? I wish we could have ONE movie that's NOT planned to be a franchise and DOES NOT have a sequel. I mean, a movie that's good enough to have one, but doesn't do a sequel just for the sake of stopping this bullshit milking process.
They called her a sexy bounty hunter... I didn't think Samus was known for being sexy at all. I mean, everyone remembers the days when they didn't even know she was a girl and went "UHHH???" when they found out. She's known for the armor and killing aliens. That's about all.
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| Sensenic 1188th Post
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| "Re(2):Metroid - A John Woo Film" , posted Wed 7 Apr 15:51
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No good can come of this.
The lame story from Prime and Zero Mission was bad enough. Now we're going to have a great big Hollywood movie about it, most likely with a half-naked model in the title role, a bunch of extraneous characters tossed in, and more gung-ho, over-the-top "girl power" messages than a Spice Girls CD. And you know that she will have some sort of hastily created love interest, because, y'know, she's a chick, so there has to be.
The first few posts in the Slashdot thread pretty much sum up my feelings on the whole thing.
Will the white doves have to wear space helmets? And argh... "first film"?? I wish we could have ONE movie that's NOT planned to be a franchise and DOES NOT have a sequel. I mean, a movie that's good enough to have one, but doesn't do a sequel just for the sake of stopping this bullshit milking process.
They called her a sexy bounty hunter... I didn't think Samus was known for being sexy at all. I mean, everyone remembers the days when they didn't even know she was a girl and went "UHHH???" when they found out. She's known for the armor and killing aliens. That's about all.
Uhh.... errr... D'oh!}>_<. Well, you 2 pretty sumed up all my thoughts about it. It's just so, so... bah!
BTW, "life-sucking Metroids and their controlling force, Mother Brain". Uh... no, MB controls the pirates, not the metroids. Meh, whatever.
Oboromaru. Yup seems they're all "one-eyed" masked guys now. Just coincidence.
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| Kaepora 321th Post
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| "Re(3):Metroid - A John Woo Film" , posted Wed 7 Apr 17:16
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Uhh.... errr... D'oh!}>_<. Well, you 2 pretty sumed up all my thoughts about it. It's just so, so... bah!
BTW, "life-sucking Metroids and their controlling force, Mother Brain". Uh... no, MB controls the pirates, not the metroids. Meh, whatever.
Controlling force = one that controls
Controlled force = one that is controlled
Mother Brain is the controlling force, the one controlling the Metroids.
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I can't envision any kind of working movie that would involve a real actor/actress in front of the camera. I mean, I could see an animated thing, or CGI, but the series doesn't really lend itself well to "human" roles. Especially considering the closest thing to human is always in a full-body robosuit.
The more I think about it, the more I could see Metroid Fusion adapted for the big screen. It had dialog between Samus and Adam (and/or a place to stick in upper authority), and the SA-X as a villain of sorts. The problem of finding a way to put real actual people in front of the camera is still there, though.
I dunno. I think that I (and most people on the Internet) are almost overqualified to have any input in something like this. Sometimes a fresh, almost-uneducated view of things can be a good thing.
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| DarkZero 701th Post
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| "Re(4):Metroid - A John Woo Film" , posted Wed 7 Apr 22:20
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Uhh.... errr... D'oh!}>_<. Well, you 2 pretty sumed up all my thoughts about it. It's just so, so... bah!
BTW, "life-sucking Metroids and their controlling force, Mother Brain". Uh... no, MB controls the pirates, not the metroids. Meh, whatever.
Controlling force = one that controls
Controlled force = one that is controlled
Mother Brain is the controlling force, the one controlling the Metroids.
Mother Brain has no control whatsoever over the Metroids. They're completely independent and the only form of control that Mother Brain has over them is locking them in a closed section of Tourian, where they've always proceeded to feast upon whatever Space Pirate forces may have gotten trapped in there. This is why both the baby Metroid in Super Metroid and the regular Metroids in Zero Mission were confined to a single section of Tourian and had obviously been attacking their masters within that space.
It's also why the gameplay in Metroid Prime really didn't make sense. At one point, I tried to be clever and positioned myself between an escaped Metroid and a Space Pirate, knowing that according to Metroid's established plot, the Metroids aren't really on their side. The Metroid proceeded to fly straight through the Space Pirate (great job, programmers!) and hold me down while the Space Pirate shot me.
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Its a 50/50 chance the movie will stink. One can only hope it'll be okay (RE was okay IMO). Sometimes Hollywood will mess up and make up a good movie.
The problem is that even though Resident Evil didn't entirely suck, it still wasn't Resident Evil. It wasn't even close. So at best, we're going to get a movie about Samus Aran, interstellar bounty-hunting playboy playmate Chosen One, her sensitive, politically correct love interest, and the orphan girl that she finds along the way, that somehow will not suck. That's really the best that we can hope for, here, because no one, least of all John Woo, is going to make a movie about a suit of powered armor silently exploring an alien planet for two hours.
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| TiamatRoar 687th Post
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| "Re(5):Metroid - A John Woo Film" , posted Wed 7 Apr 22:34
Hmm... doing it like Aliens might work. Metroids are pretty damn scary things. If it's truly focussing on Samus's past, they could have it like... take place on an unfortunate spaceship that discovered the Metroids and then learned the hard way that they could be used as a biological weapon. With the space pirates jumping in at the middle of it all, of course.
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It's also why the gameplay in Metroid Prime really didn't make sense. At one point, I tried to be clever and positioned myself between an escaped Metroid and a Space Pirate, knowing that according to Metroid's established plot, the Metroids aren't really on their side. The Metroid proceeded to fly straight through the Space Pirate (great job, programmers!) and hold me down while the Space Pirate shot me.
Yea, that's a flaw in the AI, I guess. Storyline-wise, though, the metroids are still not under space pirate control there since there's an actual time in the game (within the phazon mines, I believe) where you flip off the controls locking the metroids in then get to smile with glee as you watch the electric wall between the metroids and the space pirates shut down, a cut scene of the pirates glancing over to it as if to say "What the hell!?" and then the metroids kill all the space pirates in the room, hehe.
http://kattuggla.oru.se/dmd01/dm0103/test/faqs/SFplotguide40.txt
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| Shin_ATproof 1026th Post
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| "Re(5):Metroid - A John Woo Film" , posted Thu 8 Apr 05:48
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, anyone remember "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within"? Us gamers finally got what we wanted: a movie based on a video game, made by a video game company! Hooray! What could possibly go wrong? Well, for starters it actually turned out to have everything wrong with it that people have mentioned in this thread. (case in point: NOTHING TO DO WITH FINAL FANTASY)
I remember trying really hard to like it at the time, but now it just seems ridiculous that I even saw it in a theater.
Well besides not having Random Encounters, people summoning giant creatures or using magic attacks, Chocobos and Moogles...it actually did have a lot of things in common found in Final Fantasy games.
A living planet, a lifestream, gathering magic or sacred items to save the world, airships, Cid, spirit(otherworldly) creatures trying to destroy Earth. Oh and Aki and Grey followed a classic FF hero formula.
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| TiamatRoar 690th Post
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| "Re(6):Metroid - A John Woo Film" , posted Thu 8 Apr 12:01:
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, anyone remember "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within"? Us gamers finally got what we wanted: a movie based on a video game, made by a video game company! Hooray! What could possibly go wrong? Well, for starters it actually turned out to have everything wrong with it that people have mentioned in this thread. (case in point: NOTHING TO DO WITH FINAL FANTASY)
I remember trying really hard to like it at the time, but now it just seems ridiculous that I even saw it in a theater.
Well besides not having Random Encounters, people summoning giant creatures or using magic attacks, Chocobos and Moogles...it actually did have a lot of things in common found in Final Fantasy games.
A living planet, a lifestream, gathering magic or sacred items to save the world, airships, Cid, spirit(otherworldly) creatures trying to destroy Earth. Oh and Aki and Grey followed a classic FF hero formula.
EVERYONE but Aki in the Final Fantasy Movie DIED. Never saw THAT in a Final Fantasy before. O_o The thing felt like a sci-fi horror movie with Final Fantasy elements (as opposed to a sci-fi fantasy movie with Final Fantasy elements, which I think deep down was really was what everyone was expecting when "Final Fantasy movie" comes to mind and thus is why everyone says it has nothing to do with Final Fantasy even though a lot of the elements are there. It's hard to picture as a Final Fantasy because it's a different storyline genre). It was more like Aliens (the horror elements) when I think it should have been more like Star Wars (the fantasy elements, that is).
(Alternatively, if Square pulled it off right and Final Fantasy wasn't a sci-fi at all, they could have cornered the magical fantasy market before Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings could come along, but eh, that's more of a business observation theory of mine than an actual qualm with the movie)
I thought the movie was good as a movie by itself (not really worth the huge amount of money Square put into it, though. Sucks to be Square!). But as a Final Fantasy movie, the entire tense horror atmosphere didn't feel very Final Fantasy-ish even with the Final Fantasy elements. Oh, and Aki followed the formula for the typical Final Fantasy heroine, but there was no "brat" female character (Yuffie, Riku, Selphie Relm, etc). The brat character is always my favorite. Course, that's a personal thing (and she probably would have gotten killed like everyone else did, anyways)
http://kattuggla.oru.se/dmd01/dm0103/test/faqs/SFplotguide40.txt
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| TiamatRoar 692th Post
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| "Re(8):Metroid - A John Woo Film" , posted Thu 8 Apr 13:40:
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EVERYONE but Aki in the Final Fantasy Movie DIED. Never saw THAT in a Final Fantasy before.
I seem to recall Cid and a lot of humans that escaped the city in time.
Oh and I'm sure if Grey shot an elemental spell from his hands at least once or if Aki summoned a creature I'm sure there would be less complaints about the movie...atleast one of the complaints wouldn't be of "It had nothing to do with Final Fantasy"
Not including nameless or extremely minor characters, which leaves just Cid. ...okay, NEARLY "everyone" died. Close enough given the comparison in question.
I've never seen anyone complain specifically about a lack of summoning or elemental spells, although in a general sense, I've seen multiple complaints of the thing's sci-fi setting, which indirectly could cover complaints about lack of summoning or elemental spells. In the most technical black and white sense, those complaints aren't too valid asFinal Fantasy games these days usually contain a lot of sci-fi, anyways. However, the games still have yet to reach the level where it's purely sci-fi like the movie mostly was (with the exception of the "adversaries" and the final solution to it, which does mirror the games). Even in the most sci-fi of the games, good guys still rely more on magic and futuristic swords (gunblades, etc) more than laser guns like the movie had. ...in fact, I've never seen any Final Fantasy game where you could wield a laser gun at all (which is too bad, since I think that'd be cool. Didn't have any problem with laser guns in the movie from a stand-alone point, but from a Final Fantasy point... well, again, I don't recall any Final Fantasy game coming close to that much reliance on lasers). Unfortunately, given the general world setting (where no one beleives in superstition) and storyline of the movie, anything but lasers and missile launchers and whatever for weapons (including spells) would have been EXTREMELY out of place (which is why, again, I have no problem with the movie as a movie by itself).
http://kattuggla.oru.se/dmd01/dm0103/test/faqs/SFplotguide40.txt
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| TiamatRoar 693th Post
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| "Re(10):Metroid - A John Woo Film" , posted Thu 8 Apr 22:14
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There are plenty of nameless characters in Final Fantasy games. There are more of those characters than characters tied closely to the plot. So again I don't see FF:TSW to be that much different from the games.
Well, yea, of course there are lots of nameless people. Can't have a world without nameless people. But I don't see what that has to do with how all the main characters besides only a couple died in TSW while in every other Final Fantasy game, the majority of the main characters (well, the good guys, at least) survive.
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You have to admit a lot if not most of the complaints of "Lack of Final Fantasy" in FF:TSW is because there was little to any Magic or Fantasy compared to the games. This is why I said if the movie had characters at least shooting elemental spells sometimes or a summoned creature appeared somewhere or if a Chocobo ran past the screen people would most likely not complain about the lack of similarity in the Fantasy aspect compared to the games.
I'm still not sure if shooting elemental spells (which, in the context of the movie's setting, would have been ludicrous) would have quelched the complaints, but I do think seeing big giant CG chickens running around would have made the entire movie worth every single penny even if the rest sucked. ...maybe not for the best of reasons, though :P (though seriously, while I don't think elemental or summoning spells would have made a difference, I DO think that chocobos and moogles appearing in the movie would have shut a lot of people up. Not that I think chocobos and moogles would have been good for the movie from a movie standpoint, though)
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Then again I didn't realize for TSW to be considered a "Fantasy" it required wizards and dragons. I thought it just needed spiritual/mystic plot devices. TSW had plenty of that: A spirit of the Earth, All souls return to the spirit of the Earth, spirits of aliens stealing the souls of people and harming the planet, spirits to heal the Earth and destroy the badguys. Wizards and Dragons aside it was a Fantasy flick with Sci-Fi elements and as far as I'm concerned most of the Final Fantasy games as of late have been leaning more towards Science Fiction but keep enough Fantasy story elements to warrant the "Fantasy" part in the titles. It's just that TSW didn't have enough Fantasy elements to satify a lot of FF fans...but from what I see it had enough Fantasy in the story and enough plot devices found in the FF games to be considered a Final Fantasy movie.
My own personal qualm with the movie as Final Fantasy is the atmosphere/mood of the plot, not any of the elements in particular. I can't vouch for other people though because most people seem to have different reasons for why they think the movie isn't Final Fantasy-ish or whatever. Besides the atmosphere thing (which I seem to be the only person to have as a reason), I've seen every reason one could possibly think of from under the sun from various people on why it's not a Final Fantasy. Some bullshit, some maybe valid, and some that were just wierd. From the other spectrum of things, the only argument I've ever seen for it resembling a Final Fantasy is that whole spirits thing. I could try ("try" being the imperative word) to poke holes in the spirit thing as to whether or not it's an actual theme tradition of Final Fantasy in general or just a random theme that comes up every once in a while in certain Final Fantasy games, but I won't. I guess you could say that whether or not the movie resembled a Final Fantasy is a matter of opinion since a lot of the Final Fantasies are very different from each other. However, if it's opinion-based, then I'll contend that Square must have done something wrong to get so many people to bitch about it. Perhaps that "wrong" thing has to do with my next paragraph below...
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However one feels about FF:TSW and what it lacked and such...I think Square has learned it's lesson from TSW: Don't use an original story for a movie this is probably why the FF7 movie is going to do well because it is based on FF7, a popular Final Fantasy that had plenty of what people expected with the FF:TSW...wizards and dragons and Chocobos.
"Don't use an original story for a movie". Tis the tao of franchising, my friend (not that that's a good thing, but the truth sucks, sometimes)
...Final Fantasy doesn't make me think of wizards and dragons much these days, though.
...ironically, FF:TSW actually didn't do that bad in theatres from how many revenues it brought in. It's just that when you compare those revenues to the cost that things go really bad (well, I suppose you could also argue that since it had the Final Fantasy name tagged on, it should have done so much better, since it's supposed to be that anything with "Final Fantasy" in it is an instant million seller, these days)
http://kattuggla.oru.se/dmd01/dm0103/test/faqs/SFplotguide40.txt
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