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"Dr.B" , posted Fri 19 Mar 05:58post reply


Don't know if you caught my comment in the other thread. You asked me what I liked about Dave the Barbarian. So,here's a copy and paste.

I love the designs. And yeah,I agree about the barbarian feel. The show does take place in the Middle Ages so I can see that,design-wise.

I love this show. It is HILARIOUS! Don't you think? I finally gave it a try a few weeks ago since everyone on earth seemed to be praising it,and I ended up loving it. Extremely funny and Chuckles is funnier than shit,too. Faffy is an idiot,but a loveable one. Fang is classic,"I Squash You All!" should be the catchphrase of the new millenium. :p

BTW,since you and I are the only ones on this board who love Disney for it's best,you gonna go see Home on the Range? Everyone's been hyping about it lately. Looks like Disney 2-D will go out with a funny bang. :)






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"Re(1):Dr.B" , posted Fri 19 Mar 06:21post reply


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BTW,since you and I are the only ones on this board who love Disney for it's best...


You sure about that?





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"Re(2):Dr.B" , posted Fri 19 Mar 06:38post reply


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BTW,since you and I are the only ones on this board who love Disney for it's best...

You sure about that?


What ZamIAm said.





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"D[ave the Ba]r.B[ian]" , posted Fri 19 Mar 14:08post reply


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I love the designs. And yeah,I agree about the barbarian feel. The show does take place in the Middle Ages so I can see that,design-wise.


I'm not so keen on the designs myself, as I already said, they seem too scattered... but I can look past that.

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I love this show. It is HILARIOUS! Don't you think? I finally gave it a try a few weeks ago since everyone on earth seemed to be praising it,and I ended up loving it. Extremely funny and Chuckles is funnier than shit,too. Faffy is an idiot,but a loveable one. Fang is classic,"I Squash You All!" should be the catchphrase of the new millenium. :p


I have to agree the show is funny, I didn't think so from the commericals (the clips they showed look like they're trying to hard) but what's in the actual show works very well.

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BTW,since you and I are the only ones on this board who love Disney for it's best, you gonna go see Home on the Range? Everyone's been hyping about it lately. Looks like Disney 2-D will go out with a funny bang. :)



I don't plan on seeing "Home of the Range"... I may rent it, but not in theatres.






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"Re(1):D[ave the Ba]r.B[ian]" , posted Fri 19 Mar 16:49post reply


Zam and Ishmael: Ah,didn't know you guys were Disney fans either. Sorry,but I thought almost everyone disliked Disney on this board.

Dr.B: Aw,you should see it in theatres. :) It'll be a long while before it hits shelves.






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"Re(2):D[ave the Ba]r.B[ian]" , posted Fri 19 Mar 20:41post reply


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Zam and Ishmael: Ah,didn't know you guys were Disney fans either. Sorry,but I thought almost everyone disliked Disney on this board.


No problem. I have a habit of assuming everyone to be anti-christian by default on any comic or videogame forum so we all make our false assumptions.





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"Dr.B again" , posted Sun 21 Mar 06:23post reply


Or whoever is interested,what are you views on this?

Disney gang transformed into 3-D






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"Re: Disney characters in 3D" , posted Sun 21 Mar 08:49post reply


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Or whoever is interested,what are you views on this?

Disney gang transformed into 3-D


The characters do look a little bit weird to me -- for example, the cheeks of Mickey and Minnie are a bit more puffed up than what I'm used to. But as long as their mannerisms can be accurately portrayed in 3D, I suppose that's what's important.

Anyway -- thanks for that link, T.E.!






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"Re(1):Dr.B again" , posted Sun 21 Mar 11:25post reply


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Or whoever is interested,what are you views on this?

Disney gang transformed into 3-D



Well I don't mind the change to 3D myself.

if it was 5 or 7 years ago it'd be a horrible idea, but now 3D has come along enough that it's cheaper to make, faster to correct mistakes, more diverse in what it can do, and has already reach (maybe even surpassed) the visual quality of 2D.

I mean, we already saw in Kingdom Hearts those characters don't look all that bad in 3D.... and keeping something 2D for 'tradition' alone is a bit silly... I mean if Walt had followed the tradition of cartoons being silent, Steamboat Willie would have flopped just as hard the first 2 Mickey Mouse cartoons and there'd be no Disney!

Of course there are problems with 3D, like if the set designers don't understand what they're doing the rooms will look very "empty" and that will make the cartoon look very "stupid" or the animators use unaltered motion capture to animate... assuming they work around those and other problems 3D brings to the table it'll probably be just as good as any 2D Disney project.






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"Re(1):Re: Disney characters in 3D" , posted Sun 21 Mar 12:52post reply


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Or whoever is interested,what are you views on this?

Disney gang transformed into 3-D

The characters do look a little bit weird to me -- for example, the cheeks of Mickey and Minnie are a bit more puffed up than what I'm used to. But as long as their mannerisms can be accurately portrayed in 3D, I suppose that's what's important.

Anyway -- thanks for that link, T.E.!



No prob dude.

Yeah,someone on another board where I found this link said that Mickey and Minnie were never meant to be 3-D,because of I guss the ears or something. And that they were meant for only 2-D.






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"Re(2):Re: Disney characters in 3D" , posted Sun 21 Mar 13:06post reply


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Yeah,someone on another board where I found this link said that Mickey and Minnie were never meant to be 3-D,because of I guss the ears or something. And that they were meant for only 2-D.



The ears CAN work in 3D if the animators put some work into it.

(Going back to the same example) Remember how in KH you could rotate any of the in game models except for Minnie's? That's because if you just turn the model around the ears looks stupid and off model.

But if you animate the ears so they move around and always face the viewer as they do in 2D there's no reason it shouldn't work in 3D... it's just lazy animators vs people trying.






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"Re(2):Dr.B again" , posted Sun 21 Mar 14:08post reply


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I mean, we already saw in Kingdom Hearts those characters don't look all that bad in 3D.... and keeping something 2D for 'tradition' alone is a bit silly... I mean if Walt had followed the tradition of cartoons being silent, Steamboat Willie would have flopped just as hard the first 2 Mickey Mouse cartoons and there'd be no Disney!
Well, if you're just looking at it on the grounds of tradition or whatever, then think of it this way- cartoons have been 2D for a much, much longer period of time than they have been without audio.

That aside, the only models in the group that I found appealing at all were the models of the nephews. Mickey and Minnie had really weird mouths... Their upper lips are too long, at the very least. I can't quite put my finger on the reason why, but that shot of Donald is weird-looking, too... but I'm not sure what it is. His face is getting to me. It's like a drug-induced happy face or something. Heh heh. Hopefully, if they do any real theater releases in 3D, they'll get modeling and rigging issues worked out.

I thought this quote was funny- “We were just getting ready to send it off to the 2D studios, and at that meeting, we said, ‘You know what, lets make it in CG.’ And so we got together with some sub-contractors [Blur Studio and Sparx], who were very industrious, and we all agreed to jump into CG at the last minute.” Ehhhh. That's like saying, "You know what? Let's try to make it look like anime" at the last minute.
"Well, WHY do you want to do that?"
"Umm, because it would be kind cool..."
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Man, if you're going to change the style, change it for a reason. I realize this is some straight-to-video thing and not a "real effort," but it's still not really a great reason for changing the style. I mean, the fact that they're making a whole CG movie they had planned in 2D around "we wanted to see them in 3D" instead of just experimenting and trying 3D models out and THEN writing a story involving the 3D characters is what's bothering me. 2D and 3D aren't better or worse than each other; they're different methods. And of course there's stop-motion as well... All of those methods have different qualities, and throwing away one in favor of another for reasons like "this other method's newer and cooler" isn't a good enough reason. I wouldn't complain so much about this if it were just an experiment, but given the fact that they've gotten rid of all of those animators and are working toward 3D IS TEH R0X0RS, I see this project as a bad thing.

Anyway, I know you probably won't agree with me, but maybe you'll understand why people are so disgusted about Disney's change to 3D...






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"Re(3):Dr.B again" , posted Sun 21 Mar 14:39post reply


quote:
I mean, we already saw in Kingdom Hearts those characters don't look all that bad in 3D.... and keeping something 2D for 'tradition' alone is a bit silly... I mean if Walt had followed the tradition of cartoons being silent, Steamboat Willie would have flopped just as hard the first 2 Mickey Mouse cartoons and there'd be no Disney!Well, if you're just looking at it on the grounds of tradition or whatever, then think of it this way- cartoons have been 2D for a much, much longer period of time than they have been without audio.

That aside, the only models in the group that I found appealing at all were the models of the nephews. Mickey and Minnie had really weird mouths... Their upper lips are too long, at the very least. I can't quite put my finger on the reason why, but that shot of Donald is weird-looking, too... but I'm not sure what it is. His face is getting to me. It's like a drug-induced happy face or something. Heh heh. Hopefully, if they do any real theater releases in 3D, they'll get modeling and rigging issues worked out.

I thought this quote was funny- “We were just getting ready to send it off to the 2D studios, and at that meeting, we said, ‘You know what, lets make it in CG.’ And so we got together with some sub-contractors [Blur Studio and Sparx], who were very industrious, and we all agreed to jump into CG at the last minute.” Ehhhh. That's like saying, "You know what? Let's try to make it look like anime" at the last minute.
"Well, WHY do you want to do that?"
"Umm, because it would be kind cool..."
-_-
Man, if you're going to change the style, change it for a reason. I realize this is some straight-to-video thing and not a "real effort," but it's still not really a great reason for changing the style. I mean, the fact that they're making a whole CG movie they had planned in 2D around "we wanted to see them in 3D" instead of just experimenting and trying 3D models out and THEN writing a story involving the 3D characters is what's bothering me. 2D and 3D aren't better or worse than each other; they're different methods. And of course there's stop-motion as well... All of those methods have different qualities, and throwing away one in favor of another for reasons like "this other method's newer and cooler" isn't a good enough reason. I wouldn't complain so much about this if it were just an experiment, but given the fact that they've gotten rid of all of those animators and are working toward 3D IS TEH R0X0RS, I see this project as a bad thing.

Anyway, I know you probably won't agree with me, but maybe you'll understand why people are so disgusted about Disney's change to 3D...



Yep,and you're not the only one who feels this way,Undead Fred. Lots of people have been saying more or less what you stated.

I mean,3-D is good to a certain extent,but it would be a sad sad world if everything were changed into 3-D. But that's another point altogether.

And as for 2-D stuff,there's always Disney's The Three Musketeers to look forward to. That looks pretty interesting. Not too mention Home on the Range.






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"Re(4):Dr.B again" , posted Mon 22 Mar 02:02post reply


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Yep,and you're not the only one who feels this way,Undead Fred. Lots of people have been saying more or less what you stated.

I mean,3-D is good to a certain extent,but it would be a sad sad world if everything were changed into 3-D. But that's another point altogether.

And as for 2-D stuff,there's always Disney's The Three Musketeers to look forward to. That looks pretty interesting. Not too mention Home on the Range.

Yeah. As for the 2D stuff, I hadn't heard really anything about the Three Musketeers thing, but I've seen the trailers for Home on the Range. Personally, I'm kind of interested in it... the style is interesting, and it looks like a new story... so I wouldn't mind checking it out (I doubt I'll see it in the theaters, though).






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