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"Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 18:29post reply


I just playing some KOF98 and I was thinking about the weird hair colors of the characters and noticed that all white Americans had blonde hair. Is this the rule of all 2D fighting games?. I thought at first it was all white people that had blonde hair. Then I recalled several European characters that had different hair color such as Remy or Hugo.

I was wondering if there is a exemption to this rule. Vanessa from KOF is the only one I can think of off the top of my head, are there others.

And to keep this topic going, can anyone else think of any other fighting game sterotypes?






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"Re(1):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 20:24post reply


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I was wondering if there is a exemption to this rule.


Mmmhh, T. Hawk perhaps?
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"Re(2):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 20:31post reply


quote:

I was wondering if there is a exemption to this rule.

Mmmhh, T. Hawk perhaps?


He's... not... white.

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"Re(3):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 20:43post reply


quote:

I was wondering if there is a exemption to this rule.

Mmmhh, T. Hawk perhaps?

He's... not... white.

RACIST!!!



Not American, either.





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Not American, either.



No? damn, I thought America was a whole continent, not a single country...

Oh well...





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"Re(1):____" , posted Thu 18 Mar 20:57post reply


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Not American, either.


No? damn, I thought America was a whole continent, not a single country...

Oh well...



If you want to get really technical its two continents.





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"Re(1):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 21:02post reply


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And to keep this topic going, can anyone else think of any other fighting game sterotypes?



stereotypes hurt!

Let's instead think of people who break them! They deserve recognition!

Johnny Cage: Only white guy to use Jeet Kun Do (also is a white American yet has brown hair... but I assume you ment in games from Japan)

King: Female Muay Thai/Muay Thai who doesn't wear breezy shorts (also looks like Ellen DeGenerous if you ask me)

Gill/Urien: Given the ladies a reason to keep those quarter coming as the nakedest SF3 characters, proving it's not always the females forced to parade around in a g-string.

Dan and Makoto:Wear Gis yet aren't Shotos

Horent: A car who is not limiting himself simply to racing games

Terry Bogard:white American who from the sounds of it can't speak a word of English

There I think we've made some real progress today... think of some more individuals brave enough to go beyond the norm!






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"Re(1):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 21:03post reply


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"Re(2):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 21:04post reply


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Isn't Chipp American too?






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"Re(4):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 21:09:post reply


quote:

I was wondering if there is a exemption to this rule.

Mmmhh, T. Hawk perhaps?

He's... not... white.

RACIST!!!


Not American, either.


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"Re(2):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 21:11post reply


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Johnny Cage: Only white guy to use Jeet Kun Do (also is a white American yet has brown hair... but I assume you ment in games from Japan)




Johhny Cage uses JKD? He would also break the JKD streotype of Bruce Lee like movements or yells.

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Terry Bogard:white American who from the sounds of it can't speak a word of English



I will have to disagree on this one. I think American KOF characters in general don't or barly speak english at all. I don't think Andy has an English phrase in all of the FF or KOF games. But I might be wrong about that.





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"Re(3):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Thu 18 Mar 21:12:post reply


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Isn't Chipp American too?


He told me he was Japanese...

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"Re(1):____" , posted Fri 19 Mar 00:07:post reply


quote:

Not American, either.


No? damn, I thought America was a whole continent, not a single country...

Oh well...



Yeah, yeah. I think it was being inferred in the first message that he meant "American" as in characters from the USA.

What else are people from the US referred to as, hmm?





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"Re(1):____" , posted Fri 19 Mar 00:20post reply


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No? damn, I thought America was a whole continent, not a single country...
Oh well...

Are you implying that many Americans consider themselves as the center of the world? NOOOoooooooo !

On a side note, Ramon is mexican and blonde.






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"Re(4):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 00:43:post reply


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What else are people from the US referred to as, hmm?
you could say...United States of Americans. (Very uncommon though.)

quote:
Are you implying that many Americans consider themselves as the center of the world? NOOOoooooooo !
In history class the teacher said the Chinese consider China the center of the world.

In the non blond and from U.S. area we have the Andre family from Final Fight and Street Fighter, Slash from Final Fight, and some other folk from Final Fight.

For a stereotype character how about Ryu from Street Fighter. Ryu started as just basically a karate guy; although he can throw fireballs or chiballs or whatever they are. Or there's similar guys in older games like Karate Champ.





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"Re(1):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 01:24post reply


quote:
And to keep this topic going, can anyone else think of any other fighting game sterotypes?


Haha, how about everyone from the Rival Schools games? (don't get me wrong, I love the games; part of what makes them good is the stereotyped characters)





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"Re(2):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 03:32post reply


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"Re(2):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 05:38post reply


quote:
Johnny Cage: Only white guy to use Jeet Kun Do

Don't forget Jacky Bryant from the VF series.

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"Re(3):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 05:38post reply


Chris in KOF breaks a lot of stereotypes, for being Swedish.
For one, he's neither blonde, nor a hot chick named 'Inga', talking with a bad German accent. He's also not a viking (which, then again, is a trait more commonly seen in Norwegian characters - just look at World Heroes or Time Killers), an IKEA salesman, or a meatball.
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"Re(4):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 05:51post reply


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Chris in KOF breaks a lot of stereotypes, for being Swedish.
For one, he's neither blonde, nor a hot chick named 'Inga', talking with a bad German accent. He's also not a viking (which, then again, is a trait more commonly seen in Norwegian characters - just look at World Heroes or Time Killers), an IKEA salesman, or a meatball.
:D



Very true. I'm a heavy disliker of most stereotypes. So,Chris is original to say in the least.

Well for non-stereotypes,how about Shermie? She doesn't wear a beret,have hairy legs or wear a striped top. She wears a tight pink outfit,has hair in her eyes,and she can dance. That's class. BTW,what is her fighting style?






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"Re(4):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 06:15post reply


U.S.A. males who aren't blondes:
Allen Snider (SF EX series) - red
Franco Bash (Garou/FF series - black (or dark brown)
Jack Turner (Ryuuko/AOF series) - brown
Leon (Toshinden 3) - blue (natural color?)

Fighting game characters from India:
Dhalsim (SF series)
Darun Mister (SF EX series)
The Wraith (Super Muscle Bomber/Saturday Night Slam Masters 2)
The Gandhara (Fire Suplex/3 Count Bout)

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"Re(5):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 06:19post reply


quote:
Well for non-stereotypes,how about Shermie? She doesn't wear a beret,have hairy legs or wear a striped top. She wears a tight pink outfit,has hair in her eyes,and she can dance. That's class. BTW,what is her fighting style?

Profile data says: "No particular style, primarily her emphasis is on throws (the Bridge* is her specialty)."

* as in, those held suplex-style grapples she does.

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"Interesting" , posted Fri 19 Mar 06:24post reply


quote:
And to keep this topic going, can anyone else think of any other fighting game sterotypes?


How about the videogame/anime concept that all Americans have the American flag somewhere on or near their person? The Japanese have obviously stumbled upon the fact that we Americans constantly wear flag designs on our headbands, jackets, and underwear while riding around in our pimped out American flag detailed vehicles! I would go on about this discovery but I have an pending appointment to get my hair dyed red, white, and blue.





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"Re(1):Interesting" , posted Fri 19 Mar 06:31post reply


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I would go on about this discovery but I have an pending appointment to get my hair dyed red, white, and blue.

Don't forget your cowboy hat.

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"Re(5):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 06:36post reply


quote:
U.S.A. males who aren't blondes:
Allen Snider (SF EX series) - red
Franco Bash (Garou/FF series - black (or dark brown)
Jack Turner (Ryuuko/AOF series) - brown
Leon (Toshinden 3) - blue (natural color?)

Fighting game characters from India:
Dhalsim (SF series)
Darun Mister (SF EX series)
The Wraith (Super Muscle Bomber/Saturday Night Slam Masters 2)
The Gandhara (Fire Suplex/3 Count Bout)

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I'm drawing a blank, is C.Jack from America, Germany or somewhere else?

As far as other non-blondes go, I would say Felicia since she's American but she would probably be better classified as cat instead of Caucasian.





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"Re(2):Interesting" , posted Fri 19 Mar 06:47post reply


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I would go on about this discovery but I have an pending appointment to get my hair dyed red, white, and blue.
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"Re(1):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 07:01post reply


quote:

And to keep this topic going, can anyone else think of any other fighting game sterotypes?



Everybody in SF2 (with the exception of Vega, who has the matador cliché - the ninja thing kinda saves him).





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"Re(6):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 07:39post reply


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I'm drawing a blank, is C.Jack from America, Germany or somewhere else?

As far as other non-blondes go, I would say Felicia since she's American but she would probably be better classified as cat instead of Caucasian.

Can't recall if Cracker Jack had a nationality listed in his profile or not (I'm at work now, and away from my Japanese guidebooks).

Felicia could also be disqualified since she's female -- and American women, from a Japanese anime/manga/game point of view, seem to sport a much wider array of hair colors (although blondes (and cowboy hats) are still quite prevalent).

As long as we've mentioned some of the non-playable non-blonde American males from Final Fight, let's not forget Poison and Roxy -- bright pink and nuclear orange probably aren't their natural hair colors, but then again there isn't much about these two that could be considered natural, is there? : )

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"Re(7):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 11:09:post reply


Why are we clearly avoiding black stereotypes??

M.Bison/Balrog is an insane stereotype of Mike Tyson aned being pretty stupid/greedy.

Potemkin was a slave, he's black, *really* strong, and insanely loyal (this is only valid since he's an ex-slave).

DUCK KING and LUCKY are pretty self explanitory (breakdancing and basketball).

Don't forget the original fighting game pimp, Mr. Big.





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"Re(8):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 11:35post reply


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Why are we clearly avoiding black stereotypes??

Because it's so obvious it's not even funny. The discution continues until someone says "Boman", and then everybody shut up and cry.
It's the same reason why we don't talk about gay stereotypes (Laurenc-OK END OF THE DISCUTION).
Oh, but on the non-stereotype side (well, different stereotype), we got Yoshitora this year. Horetaze !






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"Re(6):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 11:42post reply


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I'm drawing a blank, is C.Jack from America, Germany or somewhere else?


He's Canadian, if I remember correctly.





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"Re(9):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 14:38post reply


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Why are we clearly avoiding black stereotypes??
Because it's so obvious it's not even funny. The discution continues until someone says "Boman", and then everybody shut up and cry.


Speaking of black stereotypes, I'd perform a year's worth of debasing acts for a fighting game with 50 Cent (or somesuch replica). Of course, he'd have to have a full assortment of automatic weaponry.

quote:
It's the same reason why we don't talk about gay stereotypes (Laurenc-OK END OF THE DISCUTION).


All right, the discution is over. Now on to the discussion! What about that guy from... Breakers, was it? Interesting mix of stereotypes, there...

quote:
Well for non-stereotypes,how about Shermie? She doesn't wear a beret,have hairy legs or wear a striped top. She wears a tight pink outfit,has hair in her eyes,and she can dance. That's class. BTW,what is her fighting style?


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"Re(10):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 15:35post reply


AAC doesn't list a nationality for C.Jack, like the other EX characters. But it mentions Scotland, I just don't feel like translating the entire section.

I also thought he was from Canada though, so you may have read it on an earlier version of Fighter Mania.





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"Re(10):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 17:07post reply


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BTW,what is her fighting style?

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"Re(1):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 17:54post reply


I think I read about this about manga somewhere. Same idea, though.

Originally manga couldn't distinguish the look of a foreigner's face from an asian one since the style was often so dependent on certain familiar features. So instead the primary indication was to give foreigners light hair and asians dark hair, since that would show up easiest in the traditional black and white format.

Hopefully I'm remembering this right...





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"Re(2):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 18:44post reply


quote:
I think I read about this about manga somewhere. Same idea, though.

Originally manga couldn't distinguish the look of a foreigner's face from an asian one since the style was often so dependent on certain familiar features. So instead the primary indication was to give foreigners light hair and asians dark hair, since that would show up easiest in the traditional black and white format.

Hopefully I'm remembering this right...



Yeah, they told us the same thing in my Japanese class.





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"Re(2):____" , posted Fri 19 Mar 19:15post reply


quote:

Not American, either.


No? damn, I thought America was a whole continent, not a single country...

Oh well...


If you want to get really technical its two continents.



Ok I have geography question. What continent do the Central American Countries belong to? Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, Guatemala, and El Salvador. I think that is all of them. Do they belong to North America, South America or simply some sort of separate Continent like Central America???





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"Where in the world..?" , posted Fri 19 Mar 19:30post reply


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Ok I have geography question. What continent do the Central American Countries belong to? Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, Guatemala, and El Salvador. I think that is all of them. Do they belong to North America, South America or simply some sort of separate Continent like Central America???



Central America (Panama and everything northward) are part of North America. They are often regarded seperately due to their size (USA, Canada, and Mexico are larger than all the others combined). Greenland and the various Caribbean countries like Jamaica are part of North America.





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"Re(2):Re(10):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Fri 19 Mar 20:08post reply


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BTW,what is her fighting style?

Giving her opponents herpes.


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"Re(1):Where in the world..?" , posted Fri 19 Mar 21:12post reply


quote:
Ok I have geography question. What continent do the Central American Countries belong to? Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, Guatemala, and El Salvador. I think that is all of them. Do they belong to North America, South America or simply some sort of separate Continent like Central America???


Central America (Panama and everything northward) are part of North America. They are often regarded seperately due to their size (USA, Canada, and Mexico are larger than all the others combined). Greenland and the various Caribbean countries like Jamaica are part of North America.



A very refreshing lesson I thought that C.A was part of North America but I have heard them always referred to as Central and nothing else. Also Interesting is the inclusion of the Carribean and Greenland. That makes a lot of countries in North America. All those Island Nations
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"BUURACK MANUU!!!" , posted Fri 19 Mar 21:58post reply


quote:
Why are we clearly avoiding black stereotypes??


It get mentioned often on it's own--many of which by me or my evil twin. Doesn't bother me anymore really. And I personally like Orvile (the Rumble Fish) alot. They took the strong token black man and injected some postive life into him.

And don't trash talk Boman.





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"Re(1):BUURACK MANUU!!!" , posted Fri 19 Mar 22:09post reply


quote:
Why are we clearly avoiding black stereotypes??

It get mentioned often on it's own--many of which by me or my evil twin. Doesn't bother me anymore really. And I personally like Orvile (the Rumble Fish) alot. They took the strong token black man and injected some postive life into him.

And don't trash talk Boman.



Wouldn't a better topic be 'good designs that buck stereotypes?' We already know that fighting games are chock full of stereotypes but what about the good exceptions.

Like maybe Zangief?
The Ikari Team? What nationality are they?
What about Dudly? He's British and black.
What about Remy?
What about Maxima?
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"Re(2):BUURACK MANUU!!!" , posted Fri 19 Mar 22:21post reply


quote:
Wouldn't a better topic be 'good designs that buck stereotypes?' We already know that fighting games are chock full of stereotypes but what about the good exceptions.

The Ikari Team? What nationality are they?


Leona is an unspecified Latina. You KNOW she's from somewhere in South America, we just don't know where.
Clark is from the US.
Ralf is from Argentina but with full US citizenship. The country SNK chooses to state in his bio fluctuates on their mood.





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"Re(2):BUURACK MANUU!!!" , posted Fri 19 Mar 22:49post reply


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Like maybe Zangief?

A big burly Russian who fights bears and dances the kosak[sic] with Boris Yeltson and enjoys Vodka? yeah that's busting the stereotypes

quote:
What about Dudly? He's British and black.


He's Bristish AND rich/snooty/proper, He's black AND a boxer... Birdie and TV's Craig Charles were Black and British before Dudley, so he's not that special at all.

quote:
What about Remy?


A waffy, 'attractive' french boy full of tourment and angst? Yeah... you wouldn't find one of those by picking up like any random Bishounen comic out there.

quote:
What about Maxima?

He just reenforces the stereotype all Canadians have cannons in their chest

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What about Ash?


Re-enforces the stereotype that if your name is Ash, and you're not a girl or Bruce Campbelle you suck






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"Re(3):BUURACK MANUU!!!" , posted Sat 20 Mar 00:18post reply


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What about Ash?
Re-enforces the stereotype that if your name is Ash, and you're not a girl or Bruce Campbelle you suck

Hey, I think that he is quite original as the ultimate -queer eye for the straight guy- character, he does quite well... Not every gay character fist a woman in their first apparition.
But otherwise, he sucks so much I won't even bother to make a joke about it. (Got it? Suck, gay, Aha, I'm so funny)






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"I am the reinforcements" , posted Sat 20 Mar 00:19post reply


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Re-enforces the stereotype that if your name is Ash, and you're not a girl or Bruce Campbelle you suck



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"Re(8):Fighting game character design Q" , posted Sat 20 Mar 03:49post reply


quote:
Why are we clearly avoiding black stereotypes??

M.Bison/Balrog is an insane stereotype of Mike Tyson aned being pretty stupid/greedy.

Potemkin was a slave, he's black, *really* strong, and insanely loyal (this is only valid since he's an ex-slave).

DUCK KING and LUCKY are pretty self explanitory (breakdancing and basketball).

Don't forget the original fighting game pimp, Mr. Big.

I didn't think Potemkin and Duck King were black... I thought they just had dark skin like Akuma or K'.

I guess we're about due for another thread about stereotypes in video games...

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"Re(3):BUURACK MANUU!!!" , posted Sat 20 Mar 04:58post reply


quote:
Like maybe Zangief?
A big burly Russian who fights bears and dances the kosak[sic] with Boris Yeltson and enjoys Vodka? yeah that's busting the stereotypes


Zangief is not only sterotypically russian - but also stereotypically gay. Apparently, in Japan, the stereotype for a homosexual man is indeed a huge, hairy muscle man wearing as little clothes as possible.





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"Re(3):____Where in the world..?" , posted Sat 20 Mar 05:39post reply


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Not American, either.


No? damn, I thought America was a whole continent, not a single country...

Oh well...


If you want to get really technical its two continents.


Ok I have geography question. What continent do the Central American Countries belong to? Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize, Guatemala, and El Salvador. I think that is all of them. Do they belong to North America, South America or simply some sort of separate Continent like Central America???

I'd say they are N. America. They could be called by a different name as a result of the 'weight' of Northern countries like ZamIAm said. Also the "central" area was supposedly formed by volcanos traveling from West to East, which weren't part of the main continents...so maybe that's a cause too.





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"Re(3):BUURACK MANUU!!!" , posted Sat 20 Mar 07:20post reply


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Ralf is from Argentina but with full US citizenship. The country SNK chooses to state in his bio fluctuates on their mood.

He has a move named Argentinian Backbreaker or something like that, but I've never seen an official source stating him as an Argentinian.





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"Re(4):BUURACK MANUU!!!" , posted Sat 20 Mar 07:28post reply


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Ralf is from Argentina but with full US citizenship. The country SNK chooses to state in his bio fluctuates on their mood.
He has a move named Argentinian Backbreaker or something like that, but I've never seen an official source stating him as an Argentinian.



Around 94/95 is where it is stated. I think Kailu Lantis also has it stated as that in his FAQ.





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