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| CrazyMike 849th Post
 
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|  "Re(4):King of Fighters 2002 for Xbox"
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I will steal a xbox and a copy of KoF2002 so that Microsoft gets no trickle of my money, then I will send a check directly to SNK for the game's price.
I like how people still think of Microsoft as the evil empire yet noone gets on Sony's back for messing up the game industry in the first place. At least Microsoft has in-house developers that can make decent games anyway. Sony has ALWAYS relied on 3rd party software to keep them afloat. Also, unlike Sony entering the console arena in 1995, Microsoft has had a long history of producing games for the PC Platform. Sony was similiar to Nokia, they came in with no experience. I am amazed Playstation even got as far as it did. Of course, Final Fantasy VII helped them quite a bit in starting the "CD and CG = good game!" phase.
*Edit* I'm not trying to defend Microsoft, I still wish it was the Nintendo and Sega days personally. But I still think Sony has and always will be the company that took gaming away from gaming and into the realm of hype and commercialism. Not that games before were not commercialism, I mean its always been about making money. But it used to be in the old days, bad games usually did not make money. Now bad games CAN make money if marketed right. I think the best comparison of this is the movie industry, when big companies not in the movie business started buying up the studios and controlling what is produced, unlike the old, classic days when studios financed and distributed the films on their own.
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| OmegaDog 1127th Post
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| "Bashing CD + CG? Hmm..." , posted Tue 2 Mar 15:26:
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I am amazed Playstation even got as far as it did. Of course, Final Fantasy VII helped them quite a bit in starting the "CD and CG = good game!" phase.
Er -- don't forget other CD-based consoles/add-on existed before the Playstation. FF7 was another game that featured these things that just happened to be high-profile. And, that doesn't necessarily make FF7, or the other games before it that were on CD and had story scenes (like Lunar Silver Star for the Sega CD) bad games.
Besides, had the tools been inexpensively available to earlier games, there's a high chance they would've used them too. The NES Ninja Gaiden games with their cinema scenes might be examples. (Maybe not necessarily CG in this case, but at least FMV.) Wouldn't've necessarily made it a worse game just for using it -- assuming loading times were under control.
So if we're going to bash Sony here, it might not necessarily be best to bash it for CD and CG. Their 2D or aged-hardware-port policy, on the other hand... [Er -- is it really a stance against 2D? Or just ports from aged hardware?]
EDIT: Title, couple extra notes.
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| CrazyMike 850th Post
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| "Re(2):Bashing CD + CG? Hmm..." , posted Tue 2 Mar 15:55
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Well yes, CG's weren't really new, and a good example of cinemas is Eternal Champions for Sega CD. But it is plainly obvious that Square switched over to the Playstation JUST for the purpose of space for movies, since originally FF VII was being developed for Nintendo 64 hardware. It is not like FF7 could not have fit on a catridge if you cut the movies out.
Let us also not forget that all the commercials for FF7 when it came out showed CG, if I recall none, or few few even showed any gameplay footage. Also on the subject of marketing, the old big 2 page ads you saw in game magazines saying "IF FF 7 was on Nintendo, it would take 3,000 cartidges!" So it was clear that Sony was playing the CD card.
This is what I think was the start of the FMV hype, but again its all opinion anyway. Don't take it as a historical fact.
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| Burning Ranger 652th Post
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| "Re(5):King of Fighters 2002 for Xbox" , posted Tue 2 Mar 16:25
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I like how people still think of Microsoft as the evil empire yet noone gets on Sony's back for messing up the game industry in the first place. At least Microsoft has in-house developers that can make decent games anyway. Sony has ALWAYS relied on 3rd party software to keep them afloat. Also, unlike Sony entering the console arena in 1995, Microsoft has had a long history of producing games for the PC Platform. Sony was similiar to Nokia, they came in with no experience. I am amazed Playstation even got as far as it did. Of course, Final Fantasy VII helped them quite a bit in starting the "CD and CG = good game!" phase.
*Edit* I'm not trying to defend Microsoft, I still wish it was the Nintendo and Sega days personally. But I still think Sony has and always will be the company that took gaming away from gaming and into the realm of hype and commercialism. Not that games before were not commercialism, I mean its always been about making money. But it used to be in the old days, bad games usually did not make money. Now bad games CAN make money if marketed right. I think the best comparison of this is the movie industry, when big companies not in the movie business started buying up the studios and controlling what is produced, unlike the old, classic days when studios financed and distributed the films on their own.
Amen, brother... AMEN!
As for KOF being on the X-box... it'll be good thing. Despite the fact that the series is almost 10 years old and the fact that the same style graphics, even in todat's world of Guilty Gear XX and SF3, the game is still having a lot of hype around it. People will try this game out, because like Street Fighter, KOF is legendary. It will sell, and hopefully, if it has XboxLive support, then it'll be even better.
I'll wait and see if the game comes out well before making a purchase decision (which will involve an X-box purchase as well, since I don't have one).
Advanced Cyborg E. Branger AKA Burning Ranger
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| OmegaDog 1127th Post
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| "Re(2):Bashing CD + CG? Hmm..." , posted Tue 2 Mar 16:45
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Well yes, CG's weren't really new, and a good example of cinemas is Eternal Champions for Sega CD. But it is plainly obvious that Square switched over to the Playstation JUST for the purpose of space for movies, since originally FF VII was being developed for Nintendo 64 hardware. It is not like FF7 could not have fit on a catridge if you cut the movies out.
Let us also not forget that all the commercials for FF7 when it came out showed CG, if I recall none, or few few even showed any gameplay footage. Also on the subject of marketing, the old big 2 page ads you saw in game magazines saying "IF FF 7 was on Nintendo, it would take 3,000 cartidges!" So it was clear that Sony was playing the CD card.
This is what I think was the start of the FMV hype, but again its all opinion anyway. Don't take it as a historical fact.
Ah, well, yeah -- I'd agree with you there. I thought you were making a note against the mediums to express the story, instead of the mediums for the sake of the mediums.
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| KoOkyKyoji
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| "Re(5):King of Fighters 2002 for Xbox" , posted Tue 2 Mar 21:42
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I like how people still think of Microsoft as the evil empire yet noone gets on Sony's back for messing up the game industry in the first place. At least Microsoft has in-house developers that can make decent games anyway. Sony has ALWAYS relied on 3rd party software to keep them afloat. Also, unlike Sony entering the console arena in 1995, Microsoft has had a long history of producing games for the PC Platform. Sony was similiar to Nokia, they came in with no experience. I am amazed Playstation even got as far as it did. Of course, Final Fantasy VII helped them quite a bit in starting the "CD and CG = good game!" phase.
Ummm, Sony doesn't have in-house developers? So I guess Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Polyphony Digital, Incognito, SCEE, SCEI, and Whoopie Camp don't count eh?
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| Satoshi_Miwa 2596th Post
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| "Of Sony, Microsoft, Sega, and Nintendo..." , posted Tue 2 Mar 22:50:
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I like how people still think of Microsoft as the evil empire yet noone gets on Sony's back for messing up the game industry in the first place. At least Microsoft has in-house developers that can make decent games anyway. Sony has ALWAYS relied on 3rd party software to keep them afloat. Also, unlike Sony entering the console arena in 1995, Microsoft has had a long history of producing games for the PC Platform. Sony was similiar to Nokia, they came in with no experience. I am amazed Playstation even got as far as it did. Of course, Final Fantasy VII helped them quite a bit in starting the "CD and CG = good game!" phase.
*Edit* I'm not trying to defend Microsoft, I still wish it was the Nintendo and Sega days personally. But I still think Sony has and always will be the company that took gaming away from gaming and into the realm of hype and commercialism. Not that games before were not commercialism, I mean its always been about making money. But it used to be in the old days, bad games usually did not make money. Now bad games CAN make money if marketed right. I think the best comparison of this is the movie industry, when big companies not in the movie business started buying up the studios and controlling what is produced, unlike the old, classic days when studios financed and distributed the films on their own.
Gaming was always going to go "commercial", though. The sheer amount of money in the business as the 32-bit era dawned (and the fact the NES generation had grown older and still wanted to play games) meant that the old 8 bit and 16 bit era of gaming wouldn't remain regardless of what system was leading the industry at the time. The Playstation just happened to be the dominant system at the time of the changeover, it itself didn't create the winds of change...
And as much as I dislike Sony's Anti-2D gaming bias, I do like the fact the game industry in North America has become more diverse during Sony's reign. Sure there's a hella of a lot more crap, but we also have games we NEVER would of seen released in NA during the 16 bit era (see Disgaea).
And Nintendo and Sega aren't really the angels of the industry alot of people make them out to be. Their business practices are even muddier than Sony's, especially as it relates to Nintendo and it's content regulations in NA, game releasing, and controls over the price of carts and who could make components (Keeping the prices of games relatively high). Sega was no better, as they copied a lot of Nintendo's policies, especially when the Genesis made it big in NA....
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