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|  "toonami no more"
, posted Fri 27 Feb 20:01
the genuises at cartoon network are going to remove both adult swim and toonami from their line up to make the time slot more child friendly and accessable to kids 6-11. The shift in demographics is more than likely caused by advertisers sending the message that they want more of a female audience and that they think that this is the way to go
http://icv2.com/articles/home/4334.html
February 26, 2004
Major changes are ahead for the Cartoon Network, chief among them the replacement of the weekday Toonami Block with the new Miguzi Block. Starting Saturday, April 17, Toonami will move to Saturday night, where it will air from 7pm to midnight. The Toonami block will feature numerous anime series including Gundam Seed and Rave Master as well as Dragon Ball Z, Yu Yu Hakusho, Transformers: Energon, Dragon Ball GT and Rurouni Kenshin; but it will not be all anime, it will also include Cartoon Network original series such as Justice League and Megas XLR. Instead of focusing on the after school needs of 6 to 11 year-olds, Toonami will now be targeted at teens, with the top anime and action series on the Cartoon Network.
Meanwhile, the Meguzi Block, despite its vaguely Japanese name, does not appear to include any anime series. In addition to the Teen Titans and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the afternoon block as currently constituted includes two new animated adventure series, Totally Spies and Code LYOKO. In between the cartoons the Miguzi Block will feature live action segments, and a fantastic undersea environment where the franchise's computer-generated host Erin will hold forth.
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| Gen 2527th Post
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| "Re(1):toonami no more" , posted Fri 27 Feb 22:07:
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the genuises at cartoon network are going to remove both adult swim and toonami from their line up to make the time slot more child friendly and accessable to kids 6-11. The shift in demographics is more than likely caused by advertisers sending the message that they want more of a female audience and that they think that this is the way to go
http://icv2.com/articles/home/4334.html
February 26, 2004
Major changes are ahead for the Cartoon Network, chief among them the replacement of the weekday Toonami Block with the new Miguzi Block. Starting Saturday, April 17, Toonami will move to Saturday night, where it will air from 7pm to midnight. The Toonami block will feature numerous anime series including Gundam Seed and Rave Master as well as Dragon Ball Z, Yu Yu Hakusho, Transformers: Energon, Dragon Ball GT and Rurouni Kenshin; but it will not be all anime, it will also include Cartoon Network original series such as Justice League and Megas XLR. Instead of focusing on the after school needs of 6 to 11 year-olds, Toonami will now be targeted at teens, with the top anime and action series on the Cartoon Network.
Meanwhile, the Meguzi Block, despite its vaguely Japanese name, does not appear to include any anime series. In addition to the Teen Titans and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the afternoon block as currently constituted includes two new animated adventure series, Totally Spies and Code LYOKO. In between the cartoons the Miguzi Block will feature live action segments, and a fantastic undersea environment where the franchise's computer-generated host Erin will hold forth.
demand your anime! Harass the bastards!
Yu Yu hakusho forever!
Interesting. I don't mind.
I don't believe they're going to but if they actually got rid of adult swim too then it's fine, their text and washed out pictures promotions were only slightly funny to me. Sometimes it was like they let an aol teen write stuff he thought was funny.
Also being an animation fan really did become less fun when they brought in too many uninitiated outsiders. I used to think it was wierd and stupid when fans of some inde band wouldn't like it when their band became more popular. Now I understand this phenominon more.
(Don't take it personal if the first anuhmay you saw was Cowboy Beebop on Cartoon Netork 4-5 years after it's original release. You got to start somewhere.)
Think happy thoughts.
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[this message was edited by Gen on Fri 27 Feb 22:22] |
| OmegaDog 1112th Post
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| "Um... what?" , posted Fri 27 Feb 23:06:
Omar already touched on it while I was writing this up, but...
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the genuises at cartoon network are going to remove both adult swim and toonami from their line up to make the time slot more child friendly and accessable to kids 6-11. The shift in demographics is more than likely caused by advertisers sending the message that they want more of a female audience and that they think that this is the way to go
http://icv2.com/articles/home/4334.html
February 26, 2004
Major changes are ahead for the Cartoon Network, chief among them the replacement of the weekday Toonami Block with the new Miguzi Block. Starting Saturday, April 17, Toonami will move to Saturday night, where it will air from 7pm to midnight. The Toonami block will feature numerous anime series including Gundam Seed and Rave Master as well as Dragon Ball Z, Yu Yu Hakusho, Transformers: Energon, Dragon Ball GT and Rurouni Kenshin; but it will not be all anime, it will also include Cartoon Network original series such as Justice League and Megas XLR. Instead of focusing on the after school needs of 6 to 11 year-olds, Toonami will now be targeted at teens, with the top anime and action series on the Cartoon Network.
Meanwhile, the Meguzi Block, despite its vaguely Japanese name, does not appear to include any anime series. In addition to the Teen Titans and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the afternoon block as currently constituted includes two new animated adventure series, Totally Spies and Code LYOKO. In between the cartoons the Miguzi Block will feature live action segments, and a fantastic undersea environment where the franchise's computer-generated host Erin will hold forth.
demand your anime! Harass the bastards!
Yu Yu hakusho forever!
... now, how did you pick up "remove both adult swim and toonami" from the article? I read that article you linked to, plus another one on ToonZone, and the only thing that's mentioned is a move for Toonami to Saturday night, not a removal. And nowhere at all is Adult Swim mentioned, for purposes of moving or removing.
In fact, if we refer solely to the article you linked to, the article mentions that Toonami is now moving from the 6-to-11 age group to an older demographic with the move. Even the title of the article hints at it: "Toonami Gets Saturday Night Fever And Aims For an Older Audience."
Now referring to the article on ToonZone, the reason for the move, according to their executive vice president, is because they want to attract teens who get together to watch TV on Saturday nights. While it's true that the afternoon block will now aim solely for the 6-11 age group, if I'm reading and interpreting it right, the only demographic they're losing in that block is the 9-14 age group. I don't think chopping two years off the top is anything to worry about.
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| Gen 2531th Post
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| "Re(3):toonami no more" , posted Sat 28 Feb 02:48:
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Also being an animation fan really did become less fun when they brought in too many uninitiated outsiders. I used to think it was wierd and stupid when fans of some inde band wouldn't like it when their band became more popular. Now I understand this phenominon more.
Just wondering, why do you feel this way? I mean, it's not like droves of these "outsiders" are sitting around in your house, disrupting your viewing.
I'm mainly thinking of animation conventions. It's like say you are in a club you enjoy for many years. Then a huge amount of newbies come in. Say many of them are wearing knock off Dragon Ball t-shirts they bought at a skateboard shop. (Great so now someone who has a knock off Dragon Ball t-shirt from a skate board shop is going to take it personal?) Perhaps you have been a member of a BBS that suddenly had a huge influx of newbies, which you can relate to. Hm... for example Orochinagi merges with another bbs, and for each old bbs there is suddenly a huge amount of newbies and the groups are less balanced. It's like that but say just one BBS has a huge influx of new people..
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And what was so great about watching grainy-ass 10th generation VHS tapes?
I don't believe you actually think that the quality of pirated VHS tapes has something to do with me feeling that a large influx of newbies diluted the previous group. Most of my VHS tapes are 1st or 2nd generation. I'd only copy grainier ones if it was the best copy of something really hard to find.
For years most internet copies of Japanese films and shows were lower quality than VHS. I knew some guys that had giant CD spools of really bad quality pirated films. It is only relatively recently that the quality of typical internet pirated films has gotten closer to DVD quality. You guys understand that just because I think the influx of new people diluted the previous group doesn't mean that I personally dislike any individual anonymous person from the new people, right?
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Personally, I much prefer being able to walk into my local Best Buy and put down money which I know is going to support shows which I appreciate (or at least companies which bring over shows which I appreciate); and this wouldn't be possible in many cases if it weren't for the growth of interest in japanese animation
It's not like you could only recently buy Japanese animation. I had purchased thousands of dollars of shows and films years before there was a Best Buy in my area. On average people in the newer seen pirate much more than previously given the internet. But I think piracy is beside the point.
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(anuhmay? Umm, I'm pretty sure that the standard pronunciation of romanized japanese takes care of the need to spell it phonetically . . . and wouldn't it be closer to ah-nee-may, or something thereabouts? Bah, whatever).
uh I'm just kidding about that. There was a long period when lots of people over pronounced the word.
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So now, a lot more people can more easily enjoy an entertainment medium which you've been enjoying . . . what's so wrong with that?
I never said that there was something wrong with new people enjoying it. It's not about new fans vs. older fans.
I remember seeing people who were fans of an inde group get all upset when that group became famous. I get their view a little better now, but my view of fandom is not quite the same. Sometimes they felt that when their band became famous that it "sold out", weather they blamed the band or not they'd often turn their backs on the band they helped prop up.
What I'm talking about let's just say is the typical newbie phenomenon, except with a incredibly huge amount of newbies coming in a couple years ago. Doesn't mean an individual new person is bad. :)
Think happy thoughts.
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| Undead Fred 1368th Post
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| "Re(8):toonami no more" , posted Sat 28 Feb 02:53
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Yeah, Harvey Birdman. Even Space Ghost. that stuff is just so bizarre but funny/cool. I can't watch it cause its just hard with my schedule, plus I try to limit my tv watching.
But if that stuff were on DVD, I would snap it up in a second. I really like that bizarre comedy.
Actually, Space Ghost and Aqua Teens are on DVD now. I think first season on both? Not sure... I would have bought the DVD's if I didn't already have them on VHS tape.
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Interesting. I don't mind.
I don't believe they're going to but if they actually got rid of adult swim too then it's fine, their text and washed out pictures promotions were only slightly funny to me. Sometimes it was like they let an aol teen write stuff he thought was funny.
Also being an animation fan really did become less fun when they brought in too many uninitiated outsiders. I used to think it was wierd and stupid when fans of some inde band wouldn't like it when their band became more popular. Now I understand this phenominon more.
(Don't take it personal if the first anuhmay you saw was Cowboy Beebop on Cartoon Netork 4-5 years after it's original release. You got to start somewhere.)
Come on, there's more to Adult Swim than the bumpers. I don't watch it for the black screens that remind us how much they hate Inuyasha fans or whatever. I watch it for Home Movies, Aqua Teens, Space Ghost, SeaLab, so on and so on. I only watch the anime on Adult Swim here and there. And to be fair, most of the US anime fans were either exposed to Akira or DBZ first, and Cowboy Bebop came along way after that.
I do miss the Ripping Friends, though.
Anyway, I understand what you're saying about the whole "indie band goes big" feelings, and I had them too when Adult Swim started getting big, but I still enjoy Adult Swim because the shows are still hilarious. The safety manual style bumpers really gave me that "over-popular" feeling about the lineup, but like I said, I still liked the shows a lot, so I overlooked it. ROCK AND ROLL/ ADULT SWIM IS HERE TO STAY!
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| Gen 2530th Post
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| "Re(9):toonami no more" , posted Sat 28 Feb 03:02
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Yeah, Harvey Birdman. Even Space Ghost. that stuff is just so bizarre but funny/cool. I can't watch it cause its just hard with my schedule, plus I try to limit my tv watching.
But if that stuff were on DVD, I would snap it up in a second. I really like that bizarre comedy.
Actually, Space Ghost and Aqua Teens are on DVD now. I think first season on both? Not sure... I would have bought the DVD's if I didn't already have them on VHS tape.
Interesting. I don't mind.
I don't believe they're going to but if they actually got rid of adult swim too then it's fine, their text and washed out pictures promotions were only slightly funny to me. Sometimes it was like they let an aol teen write stuff he thought was funny.
Also being an animation fan really did become less fun when they brought in too many uninitiated outsiders. I used to think it was wierd and stupid when fans of some inde band wouldn't like it when their band became more popular. Now I understand this phenominon more.
(Don't take it personal if the first anuhmay you saw was Cowboy Beebop on Cartoon Netork 4-5 years after it's original release. You got to start somewhere.)
Come on, there's more to Adult Swim than the bumpers. I don't watch it for the black screens that remind us how much they hate Inuyasha fans or whatever. I watch it for Home Movies, Aqua Teens, Space Ghost, SeaLab, so on and so on. I only watch the anime on Adult Swim here and there. And to be fair, most of the US anime fans were either exposed to Akira or DBZ first, and Cowboy Bebop came along way after that.
I do miss the Ripping Friends, though.
Anyway, I understand what you're saying about the whole "indie band goes big" feelings, and I had them too when Adult Swim started getting big, but I still enjoy Adult Swim because the shows are still hilarious. The safety manual style bumpers really gave me that "over-popular" feeling about the lineup, but like I said, I still liked the shows a lot, so I overlooked it. ROCK AND ROLL/ ADULT SWIM IS HERE TO STAY!
Actually I don't mind the block very much; it's mainly the packaging, I just think there should be more to it, or better yet no packaging if it would mean more cartoons per hour.
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| Jason
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| "Re(4):toonami no more" , posted Sat 28 Feb 10:39
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I don't believe you actually think that the quality of pirated VHS tapes has something to do with me feeling that a large influx of newbies diluted the previous group.
Course not. I was following up my first sentence with a throwaway possible explination (ie: maybe watching anime in grainy-ass video form was better!) because, as was sort of the point of this all, I was confused as to why a smaller fanbase is more desireable.
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For years most internet copies of Japanese films and shows were lower quality than VHS. I knew some guys that had giant CD spools of really bad quality pirated films.
was sort of the crux of it. Yeah, semi-humor don't carry well in text form.
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You guys understand that just because I think the influx of new people diluted the previous group doesn't mean that I personally dislike any individual anonymous person from the new people, right?
Meh, don't matter to me. Hell, I hate all kids under 8 on principle alone.
dirty bastards.
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It's not like you could only recently buy Japanese animation. I had purchased thousands of dollars of shows and films years before there was a Best Buy in my area.
This is true, but what I was trying to highlight was the ease with which it can be done now. Best Buy is a huge national chain, and every single one I've been in over the last few years has had several shelves full of anime. This wasn't the case 10 years ago, and if US interest levels had stayed the same, or proportionally the same, I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't be the case now either. A lot of the older anime I own was purchased in comic stores, mom and pop book stores, umm . . . adult entertainment establishments (who the hell put that business model together?) and the like. I dunno, mebbe in other parts of the country it was different, but I'm a big fan of the whole convenience thing. And the selection thing too. Much like with video games, it used to be a question of whether a title would ever get an official US release, now, it's much more often just a question of when.
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uh I'm just kidding about that.
I was wondering about that . . . bah, stupid text communication.
Anywho, I wasn't so much worried about the feelings of random new fans as I was wondering how their existence is a detriment to others. I suppose the convention thing makes sense, seeing as I've always been more of a 'sit around at home and watch these here wacky cartoons with some friends' type of fan as opposed to a 'go out and meet other folk' type, and thus, don't really ever have much interation with the fanbase as a whole.
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